Calling Joe Tryon-Shoyinka
July 6th, 2022
Expectations.
If you believe in the NFL cliché that players establish themselves as pros in their second season, then this is the year the Bucs need/expect Joe Tryon-Shoyinka to show his worth.
Everything about the second-year outside linebacker suggests he should break through. He showed flashes as a rookie, but now without Jason Pierre-Paul, Tampa Bay needs someone opposite Bucs sack king Shaq Barrett to help take pressure off him.
Jeremy Fowler of BSPN has taken a page from Mike Sando of The Athletic and put together lists — yes, it is List Season — of the top 10 players at each position. Shaq is not in the top 10 pass rushers, but he did get a mention for honorable mention.
He reinvented his career in Tampa Bay with 37.5 sacks and two Pro Bowls in three years. “Really good but different than some other rushers — great athlete, a run-around guy, can counter off the speed, makes plays all over the field,” an AFC defensive coach said. “Not a whole lot of power to his game, but he’s just dynamic.”
You know how Joe feels about a pass rush. A defense is only as good as its pass rush. Get a dominant pass rush and your defense will dominate.
Currently, Shaq is on an island by himself. And trust Joe, opposing offenses know it. That’s why it is imperative that JTS break out this year. Is that a lot of pressure on JTS? Sure. But it is also why he gets paid the big bucks.
@joe_tryon with some camp prep out in Dallas! @FeetHipsHands pic.twitter.com/QjwB6vyfGk
— Coach Ed (@DlineCoachEd) July 5, 2022
July 6th, 2022 at 5:25 am
JTS did pretty good last season IMO … for a rookie. He started 6 games (5 when JPP was out), but only really shined in 1 game (against the Patriots).
o Cowboys game (win 31-29): Def snaps – 21 (25%) … 1 QB knockdown; 1 solo tackle, 1 assist.
o Rams game (loss 34-24): Def snaps – 51 (78%) … 1 QB Hurry; 2 solo tackles.
o Patriots game (win 19-17): Def snaps – 50 (85%) … 2 sacks; 2 QB knockdown; 2 TFL; 2 solo tackles.
o Panthers game (win 32-6): Def snaps – 52 (74%) … 1 QB knockdown; 0 tackles.
o Jets game (win 28-24): Def snaps – 53 (87%) … 1 QB Hurry; 3 solo tackles, 1 assist.
o Panthers game (win 41-17): Def snaps – 65 (90%) … 2 solo tackles, 1 assist.
So in the 6 games that JTS started, he got 292 of his 560 total def snaps (over half). Produced 2 sacks (both against the Pats), 4 QB knockdowns, 2 QB hurries, 10 solo tackles, 3 assists. His other 2 sacks he picked up against Washington & New Orleans.
I’m seeing him a a solid tackler, but just meh in pass rushing. Hopefully he takes a giant leap forward in his 2nd year in replacing JPP. Without an effective pass rush, this’ll be a looooong season.
July 6th, 2022 at 5:36 am
Sorry, there’s no replacing the football smarts and experience of both JPP and Suh. To expect it is foolishness. The kid may well be a great athlete and play well this year, but he just doesn’t know the pace of the game and have the vision those other guys had that helped free up Shaq.
It not happening
Sign the other guys also
July 6th, 2022 at 5:41 am
Lots of talk about Suh – and I wish we could bring him back – but we are thin edge. Shaq has had one great year. Even if JTS steps up, there’s not much depth. Gill, Ponder. We’ll see.
July 6th, 2022 at 6:32 am
JPP was/is a freak of nature and so was/is Suh
It’s a lot to expect from 2nd yr guys and rookies (Hicks needs to stay healthy) to pick up that kind of production. The OL is another source of worry.
But it can be magical when/if it does catch fire!!!
LFG!
July 6th, 2022 at 6:59 am
Vita Vea, Logan Hall and Joe Tryon. Go young Bucs in the trenches!
July 6th, 2022 at 7:25 am
We need to bring in another edge rusher…..we have the money…..
July 6th, 2022 at 8:21 am
Good to see Joe getting ready for camp. Notice JPP ain’t putting out no work out clips for maybe getting picked up by some team. Usually this time of the year JPP would be cutting back on his drinking, and quit smoking for camp prep. Remember he’d skip all OTA’s also. I think fans will be forgetting JPP, and Suh when these young players quickly establish themselves in the NFL. I’m excited to see the youth movement on the D line.
July 6th, 2022 at 8:47 am
we need a Suh or an edge rusher. We could sign Suh and spend it all or get one of each for less money and hope to find the next Shaq ….I don’t think we’ll find an interior DL man that create pressure on the cheap. maybe a big body run stopper though.
July 6th, 2022 at 9:07 am
JTS had some good moments last season, mostly chasing down running backs. Too often he got stiffed in the pass rush. He was trying hard but looked a little lost. Unless he has beefed up some I just don’t see him being a dominate player. Hope I am wrong.
July 6th, 2022 at 9:11 am
He looked like he was playing paddy cake with offensive tackles as a rookie. The tackle would set up and he just had no moves (other than trying to go wide) to get passed them.
July 6th, 2022 at 9:27 am
JTS the headless chicken. He and Devin White both need to grow up a lot.
No Suh. Bad.
Suh. Good.
July 6th, 2022 at 9:45 am
JTS looks like he’s put on some much needed weight from his rookie year and with his speed and length can play almost all LB positions. If Hall can open up some lanes quickly, you can certainly see JTS getting to the QB faster (if that’s still allowed).
July 6th, 2022 at 9:52 am
I agree with most of the above comments. In particular, like DR, I think JTS flashed well his rookie year. I remember Joe saying he expected over 8 sacks – I said no way, not as a rookie playing behind JPP. And I what JTS got (6 sacks?) was what should be expected.
I also agree we need to bring in another edge.
What most of the responses above I think are missing is losing both Suh and JPP is a LOT of serious leadership lost. yea, Harry believes in leadership being a thing. Where is that coming from? Licht always talks about looking for that in the draft, drafting players who were captains. Who is going to fill that void?
July 6th, 2022 at 11:10 am
People are so dramatic still talking about Suh and JPP. It’s like this. You don’t spend 1st and 2nd round picks on developing guys for 2-3 years. 1st/2nd round picks should be starting in their 2nd season at the latest. The Bucs are no different than any other team. Our defense will be just fine. I have zero worries at all.
July 6th, 2022 at 2:07 pm
joe Tryon needs to breakout this season in order for this Defense to be successful. We shall see what he’s got. I’m all in for us securing another DE. No pass rush and we are in trouble. Many observed this last year. Brady cannot win them all with just the Offense.
July 6th, 2022 at 3:30 pm
I just don’t see it with Tryon
July 6th, 2022 at 3:44 pm
All you should ever expect from a defensive pass rusher in their rookie year is that they show flashes. Rarely do rookies excel at pass rushing – yeah, it does happen, it’s just very uncommon. What is more common is for guys who show flash their rookie years to have solid 2nd years, then become starts in year 3. No idea if Tryon is gonna be that guy, but this is why you draft for the year before you need them.
Also is JPP truly ruled out from rejoining the team? If he’s still out there at the end of camp, the Bucs should bring him in if they can in any way figure out the cap.
July 6th, 2022 at 4:36 pm
Time fot Plan 9 From Outer Space to come in from orbit.
July 6th, 2022 at 4:46 pm
People seemed worried but I am more optimistic after what happened last year. JPP was worthless without a shoulder. Was not good against the run or pass.
I firmly believe JTS will be an upgrade this year over last year.
SUH showed up in 2 games for the pass rush. That is it. He also progressively got worse against the run.
The vaunted run defense was buckling big-time the last 1/3 of the season. Healthy linebackers, healthy VEA getting more snaps and Hicks should definitely help with that.
They have Nelson in the rotation who got better and better at pass rush. They have the rookie Hall who people are raving about but I don’t expect a lot from. They also have Gholston who is always solid.
I firmly believe it depends on health. If he can step up and play 70% of the snaps and Hicks can stay healthy… That’s a massive push up the gut which will help Shaq and JTS.
Knock on wood, cross your fingers etc. this team HAS to get better on defense simply because the probability that they have the amount of injuries that they did last year is unlikely
July 6th, 2022 at 9:49 pm
David … ‘The vaunted run defense was buckling big-time the last 1/3 of the season.’
The addition of ‘big-time’ in there is a little misleading David. In their last 6 games (last third of the season), the Bucs’ defense gave up 682 rushing yards. But what killed them was explosive runs, which they hadn’t been giving up earlier. If you just take the 1 longest run by an opponent RB in each of those 6 games, it totals up to 184 rushing yards. Six rushes totaled 184 yds … an average of over 30 yds each.
That’s not just a breakdown of the Front 3 or 4; it’s a total breakdown of the defense. Oh BTW, the majority (but not all) of those long runs came through the right tackle. You can draw your own conclusions as to why opponents favored the right side.
July 7th, 2022 at 1:02 am
JTS reminds me of Gaines Adams, except without the neck and not as good. Not as much rookie production. The late Gaines (RIP) had 6 sack as a rookie and made some big plays.
JTS did a lot of clucking.
July 7th, 2022 at 2:59 am
No pass rush= a bad defense
A lot of faith in JTS, considering he has 4 career sacks.
There are a few Pass rushers out there. Best bet is probably JPP, if his shoulder is rehabbed.
Too important to risk on JTs