Two Votes Of Confidence For Anthony Nelson, Joe Tryon-Shoyinka
May 1st, 2022
Anthony Nelson closed last season with five sacks in his final eight regular-season games.
The draft is over and the Bucs did not bag a strong edge rush prospect.
Yes, Joe realizes manbeast Bucs rookie defensive lineman Logan Hall, taken No. 33 overall, is versatile and experienced across the D-line. But at 6-6, 283 pounds, he’s not built like an edge rusher and collectively the league didn’t view him as such coming out of the University of Houston.
So the Bucs have let injured and 33-year-old Jason Pierre-Paul walk and did not try to fill that hole in the draft. Joe sees that as a huge vote of confidence for Anthony Nelson (5 sacks) and Joe Tryon-Shoyinka (4 sacks).
Nelson finished last season with five sacks in his last eight regular-season games, plus two quarterback hits against the Eagles in the playoffs. In the same time period, Tryon-Shoyinka had one sack and no QB hits in the playoffs. They tied each other for the 2021 regular season with 10 QB hits each.
The Bucs are expecting Tryon-Shoyinka to take a big leap in 2022, as most stud players do in their second season. Nelson, 25, is entering a contract year and Joe is eager to see if he can build on his strong finish.
Still, the Bucs have little depth at edge rusher, and Nelson might be nothing more than a capable backup. And Joe is not one of those guys who gets all hot in the pants about undrafted free agents or seventh-round pick Andre Anthony.
If the Bucs pass on Ndamukong Suh (6 sacks) and Vita Vea continues to be a part-time player, that will put a lot of pressure on Nelson, Tryon-Shoyinka and the rookie to get to the quarterback consistently.
May 1st, 2022 at 1:53 pm
I think they know with so many defensive players drafted early in this draft there will be some free agents available in the near future and Bucs are banking on being able to sign a fee of them on the cheap chasing a ring and earning a big contract elsewhere after this season when Brady leaves. Just my 2 cents!
May 1st, 2022 at 1:54 pm
I think we have great depth. Also I believe JTS will take that step this yr.
Sidenote: I see Jameis is still throwing pick sixes. This time at some exhibition game he threw an absolute Gift to tyreek hill playing safety.
May 1st, 2022 at 1:54 pm
If Shaq and White return to their 2020 form the Bucs will have an adequate rush. I expect more S blitzing from AW, too.
May 1st, 2022 at 1:56 pm
Does anyone else feel like Vita Vea needs to play more snaps? I don’t doubt his impact, but for a 1st round pick, you don’t expect part-time play.
May 1st, 2022 at 1:58 pm
If the Bucs don’t get a pass rush, they’re putting a big burden on Brady and the Offense to score 5+ TDs per game.
May 1st, 2022 at 2:03 pm
Per Joe “Anthony is an edge rusher and had a great start to least season before a knee injury in September ended his final college campaign.”
Jaymiss says, Huh??
May 1st, 2022 at 2:07 pm
I know cash is tight, but I’d love to see us pick up a veteran pass rusher and from what I’ve read Nassib is still a free agent.
May 1st, 2022 at 2:07 pm
Joe says, “Anthony is an edge rusher and had a great start to least season before a knee injury in September ended his final college campaign.”
Joe says, “The draft is over and the Bucs did not bag an edge rusher.”
Jaymiss says, “Huh?”
May 1st, 2022 at 2:16 pm
Wed should have some money if we can restructure D. Smith & possibly S. Mason…….there should be a vet pass rusher available……..
Am I the only one who hasn’t totally closed the door on JPP?
I’m looking for both Gronk & Suh to return.
May 1st, 2022 at 2:24 pm
I’m extremely worried about the bucs ability to generate pressure without blitzing. Joe is making some huge assumptions about nelson and Tryon. What killed the bucs on defense against the Rams, was having to blitz to generate any pressure. If you can’t dedicate more coverage, it’ll be the same outcome.
May 1st, 2022 at 2:44 pm
I fully believe the Bucs should go after JPP. How many times has his career been written off only to have him prove everyone wrong. This guy has heart. You can’t measure that. He wins. I get, he had a bad season, but did you see him quit? No. I believe he will find a way to be healthy and find a way to prove all you people quitting on him wrong.
May 1st, 2022 at 2:46 pm
Anyone know if JPP is healed yet? Has he talked to any other teams?
May 1st, 2022 at 2:50 pm
I think that JTS will take a step forward this season, especially if he’s muscled-up some. Nelson seems to have improved steadily and this is a contract year for him, so he’ll probably do somewhat better also. Shaq is Shaq; what you see is what you get.
Still, our defensive front is missing Suh, JPP & McLendon from the last 2 years. That’s a LOT of talent to replace. Tend to think that Walter Football is right in their analysis of Logan Hall; that he ‘has the strength to set the edge in the ground game and has the length to play 3-4 five-technique defensive end. Hall looks like the rare five-technique prospect who is capable of putting pressure on the quarterback’. They went on to say that he’s ‘too light to line up every down on the inside’.
Hall will undoubtedly rotate inside some, but he probably fills McLendon’s spot inside in that regard as a rotational guy. I tend to think that most of what he’ll contribute will be in the outside rotation with JTS, Nelson & Shaq. That STILL leaves us 1 DT short … someone to replace Suh. Personally think that the best replacement for Suh is … Suh himself. Git er done JL.
May 1st, 2022 at 2:56 pm
They both are very good rushers but are a little light. Hopefully they add some muscle and develop into starters. But I agree with most on here; brining Suh back would be the best insurance for defensive success.
May 1st, 2022 at 3:05 pm
Definitely a concern but the Bucs passed on edge rushers.
May 1st, 2022 at 3:16 pm
I think we’ll add a vet before training camp
May 1st, 2022 at 3:21 pm
Andre Anthony, LSU is an edge rusher.
May 1st, 2022 at 3:25 pm
Christopher Isaiah Baker is available……..you say who dat?…..Dat’s Swaggy!!!
Why oh why did Mark Dominick let Michael Bennett go for no good reason?
May 1st, 2022 at 3:25 pm
I was HOPING we would add some edge rushers, instead of blitzing all the time.
An all out blitz cost us a win over the Rams, after we battled back, and I fear that lack of pressure with only 4 men is gonna cost us a chance to return to the Super Bowl too.
Hopefully, we can pick someone up cheap ?
May 1st, 2022 at 3:25 pm
I would have felt better if we moved up 2 or 3 spots and gotten Johnson lol. The Jets got us.
May 1st, 2022 at 3:26 pm
Anthony Nelson get 1on1 match ups and wins more often than he gets taken out of plays, turned into a huge fan of his down the stretch last season. Not as athletically gifted as JTS, but plays the run like a dog and has the length to agitate the pocket. 5 sacks in limited action isn’t bad for a 3rd year former 4th rounder. I see our DL like a BBall team, one where “starter” or positional designations mean less, but equate to more to more because we’ve got hungry dogs on the bench.
I’m 100% expecting Hall to be tried out all over the defensive front and I okk nope I’m in the minority, but even like the looks of Andre Anthony looks
like he can develop into a contributor somewhere along the line. Also, when you’re mentioning our guys on the DL, plz, stop forgetting to mention Nachoz
May 1st, 2022 at 3:26 pm
Funny thing is Bucs sack king Shaq Barrett was an undrafted free agent. I get that you don’t want to count on those guys but occasionally a gem is found
May 1st, 2022 at 3:39 pm
JTS needs to step it up. Ojulari, who was drafted after him, had 8 sacks last year to his 4.
May 1st, 2022 at 3:40 pm
Nacho plays more snaps than Vea right?
He gets about as much credit as the Beach Boys backup band.
May 1st, 2022 at 3:43 pm
Don’t forget we may already have a secret weapon n the fold who basically red-shirted last year. Benning Potoa’e. You would think he will be taking McClendon’s place in the rotation.
May 1st, 2022 at 3:45 pm
Anthony Nelson is a serviceable rotation guy, it’s JTS that needs to step up this season.
Many are expecting a leap forward and won’t be happy with baby steps.
May 1st, 2022 at 3:45 pm
we need Suh! and we need Gronk!
May 1st, 2022 at 3:51 pm
I get what Joe is saying. Anthony was absolutely molested by our new offensive guard the self proclaimed glass eater when Central Michigan played LSU. So what we have is what we have. Either JTS becomes the stud edge rusher we hope he can be and Sack Barrett can crank out more than 10 sacks this year or it may be another close but no Super Bowl again this year.
May 1st, 2022 at 3:53 pm
People getting their panties in a bunch because a rookie pass rusher didn’t do much, they’re literally idiots that apparently have never watched football.
Tryon showed enough as a rookie that you’d expect him to be a good player and take a big step in his 2nd year. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t, but you dopes talking about him like he’s a bust because he didn’t get 15 sacks as a rookie playing limited snaps, you’re just not very smart people.
May 1st, 2022 at 4:06 pm
Need to go get Clowney & resign Suh. Vea, Suh, Clowney, Gholston, Nacho & Hall would be a nice interior rotation with Shaq, Joe and Nelson coming of the edges.
May 1st, 2022 at 4:23 pm
We need help at DT and at least one Edge / OLB. The RD7 edge from LSU might surprise, but I think Jason is planning on adding veteran talent going into training camp and preseason.
May 1st, 2022 at 4:31 pm
I think they plan on blitzing the new punter
May 1st, 2022 at 4:37 pm
They need to grab one of the elite pass rushers in free agency. There are a bunch of them.
If Bowles insists on a blitzing scheme, then he also needs explosive blitzing LBs and secondary. Is the existing crew enough? If the draft is indication, he’s standing pat for the most part.
May 1st, 2022 at 4:49 pm
Trading season is here and we have a lot to barter with.
May 1st, 2022 at 5:20 pm
This is the entire reason I’m not thrilled with the Bucs sleeping at the wheel with Jermaine Johnson. He was there for the taking, the third best pass rusher in this class, and we let the stinking Jets sneak up on us and steal him. That’s a damn shame.
May 1st, 2022 at 5:26 pm
I’ll believe JPP isn’t on the team when I see the final roster and he’s not on it. Same with Suh.
May 1st, 2022 at 6:10 pm
I only expect two things from bowles. One, is better complementary football. You need not blitz an equal amount on all downs. The bucs would be better with a gameplan specific defense. Second, I expect a greater sense of urgency across the board. Without a Superbowl appearance at least, this year would be a tremendous failure. You still have one of the best rosters in football. Please don’t squander it with idiotic coaching decisions
May 1st, 2022 at 6:16 pm
The Packers’ D looks stacked! We play them this year. Our defense is adequate at best. @GOB. You’re absolutely right. We can’t continue to blitz all the team. We’re really the only team that depends on blitzing so much.We need to get pressure with 4 and play coverage
May 1st, 2022 at 6:48 pm
You guys that think JTS needs to put on muscle obviously haven’t seen his work videos. Weight maybe but the kid is all muscle.
May 1st, 2022 at 6:59 pm
Doubt any rookie edge in this class would have made an impact hardly any do their first year we are in a win now window if they sign someone it will be a cheap vet if at all they have enough depth to go into the season currently if they sign Suh and gronk.
May 1st, 2022 at 7:02 pm
You can not compare ojulari and jts as they were asked to do completely different things they had jts everywhere dropping into coverage playing inside playing spy not to mention getting snaps stolen from him by an ineffective jpp.
May 1st, 2022 at 7:35 pm
Anthony was a bad pick
May 1st, 2022 at 7:54 pm
Anthony is at best a special teamer and practice squad.
There were many opportunities to get a legit edge pass rusher. Yes, Jermaine Johnson. A Ebikete, Sam Williams, one spot up from where they were.
So it was a major vote of confidence for JTS/Nelson. JP09, yes, there are several top edge pass rushers waiting for a call in free agency. Hicks, Clowney, Houston, Hughes, Dunlap. Any one of them would do. We all love JPP and Suh, but both are past their primes noticeably.
May 1st, 2022 at 8:02 pm
Anthony is actually an interesting pic. Don’t write this guy off yet…..
6 years in college & got his masters degree as well I think.
He finally started to figure things out last year.
Had 3.5 sacks in first 3 games of the season at LSU.
Tore his ACL in game 4.
If he has heart & rehabs hard, I wanna see what he looks like.
Hope he gets a lot of snaps in preseason games.
Might be another late bloomer diamond in the rough 🤷🏻♂️…
May 1st, 2022 at 8:07 pm
I think everyone in the building believes JTS is going to take a big jump forward being a year older, having a full season under his belt for the first time in a couple years, and knowing the defense better. He won’t have to think as much this year. Nelson took a big jump at the end of last year and hopefully keeps it up.
May 1st, 2022 at 9:05 pm
resigning JPP would be costly and we would go back to JTS and Nelson and Gill on the bench. keep focused on the waiver wire
May 1st, 2022 at 11:07 pm
maybe they think cam gill has developed enough as well to make more of an impact…
just sayin’
May 1st, 2022 at 11:13 pm
licht and gang have a trick up their sleeve…
either suh and jpp return, or some ample vets will be brought in off the waiver wire or via nifty trades…
sometimes dudes make waves elsewhere, to get shooken loose from their team, as to come play for a contender…
let’s see how it plays out
May 1st, 2022 at 11:14 pm
by the way, i like this spytek guy a lot…
problem is he has gm written all over him…
hope we can hang onto him for a while
May 2nd, 2022 at 10:54 am
I think a lot of us have concerns about the pass rush. When we get there SMB dean n CD look like the gravediggers of the super bowl season. The BIG prob is when the rush doesn’t get there n our starters look like high schoolers playing I know we got talent but we saw what happened last year when we didn’t get a rush and when our DBs got hurt n we had talent last year same as this year. Injuries are doing to happen n that’s why I really wanted a top edge rusher n at least 1 top DB to help out with defense little disappointed but in Jason we trust let’s go Bucs. I hope between JTS Nelson vea Shaq white n LVD we can get some kind of consistent pass rush. It’s hard for a QB to throw when he’s on his ass n defenders in his face mask all day. This defense will need to help Brady and the O out or they will be asking Brady to put up 30 pts again to win. He can do that with ease but with consistency is the ?
May 3rd, 2022 at 12:08 pm
If your team cannot pass rush in this league? You’s in big Kimchee guys.
I hope for our sake, both these guys have improved. We need all hands-on Deck. Yes, I am worried about our Pass rush.