“Keeping Him Away From The Noise/Chaos”
May 2nd, 2022
Bucs DT Logan Hall.
The Buccaneers drafted a big man from a second-tier program with their first selection in the NFL Draft, and not everyone is happy about it.
Joe’s hearing from too many grumpy fans who insist they can see the future better than Bucs general manager Jason Licht when it comes to a player they’ve barely watched, or haven’t watched at all.
Joe is all for fans expressing themselves. And Joe is a huge fan of critiquing Licht, but a lot of what’s out there is over the top. Logan Hall, the beastly but versatile defensive tackle out of the University of Houston, was the Bucs’ first pick at No. 33 overall. He was the first pick of Round 2 after Tampa Bay traded out of Round 1 (No. 27 overall.)
Hall is 6-6, 283 pounds and he ran a 4.88 40 yard dash. He’s got experience across the D-line and the Bucs will coach him up and figure out what he does best.
However, unlike Joe and some bitter Bucs fans, Daniel Jeremiah is a guy who has studied Hall deeply. The former college QB turned scout is the NFL’s draft-junkie, year-round film guru.
Jeremiah pegged Hall as the 50th best prospect in the draft. He’s not sure Hall is an inside guy to replace Ndamukong Suh.
… [Hall] has big-time burst and lateral range. However, he does struggle versus double teams. He’s too high and can be uprooted. He plays with excellent effort, though. I think he might benefit from a move to the perimeter, keeping him away from the noise/chaos inside. He reminds me of Marcus Davenport coming out of college.
Joe is intrigued by the Davenport comparison. Slimy Saints star Cameron Jordan and Davenport make up the biggest edge-rushing combination in the NFL. And Davenport, at 6-6, 265 pounds, became a beastly force last season. His fourth campaign was a breakout year with nine sacks and three forced fumbles in 11 games.
Joe is not down on the Hall pick. But for a team all-in for 2022 in likely Tom Brady’s final season, Hall isn’t a guy that’s going to get Super-Bowl-or-bust fans too excited.
May 2nd, 2022 at 10:55 am
Problem with Licht’s drafts and thinking he is the smartest guy in the room, in all reality if Tom Brady never shows up, Licht is no longer and NFL GM due to his past drafting; he blew an entire NFL draft one year and had 3 coaches under his regime
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:02 am
D-line guys almost always take at least a season to be ready to play at 100%.
Look at Tryon, he made some good plays, a couple of great ones, but on the whole wasn’t really effective.
The Bucs will coach him up and he should be fine next season, though he will play some this season, this is one of the three to four year grades.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:03 am
There may be some D scheme changes coming. He may be perfect for what is up.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:03 am
GM Jason Licht said there were 5 guys the Bucs liked before they moved back from pick #27 to pick #33.
He said when they picked L. Hall he was the last one left out of the 5 players they liked.
The six players drafted between #27 and #33?
– D. Loyd – LB – Utah
– D. Wyatt – DT – Georgia
– C. Strange – OG – TN. Chatt.
– G. Karlafitis – DE – Purdue
– D. Hall – S – Mich
– L. Cine – S – Georgia
Out of this list I would have preferred D. Wyatt and L. Cine over L. Hall. But I am not unhappy with the pick. I really like Hall’s versatility. He will play NG, DT and DE depending on the situation…
I understand D. Wyatt had some off the field issues and perhaps that is why we let him go elsewhere.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:04 am
I have to laugh because EVERY single draft since I can remember, no one is ever happy. Armchair “draft gurus” all across the nation kvetch because their team didn’t pick “their guy”. I never knew a casual fan could be so integral in the process and GMs don’t listen!!! What the heck?! Do they think they know better than “us”?!!
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:04 am
What I worry about with Hall, is leverage. You need to get under guys to generate push. If they do make him an off ball pass rusher, he’ll need to be less lumbering also. A lot of times it’s a footwork issues. In any case, he’ll need to be coached up. Just hope the bucs staff is up to the challenge
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:05 am
@Dusthty Rhothdes, which year was that? i like to go back and see what might have been. as a Bucs fan of 25 years i like to punish myself by seeing who we could have taken. lol (All teams could do this).
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:07 am
Hall is three years younger than Wyatt(also had much better production). I think that is a big reason the Bucs preferred him to Wyatt.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:07 am
Keep in mind we got Cade Otten free….along with the Hall pick…..not a bad deal at all….
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:09 am
The draft is over and there are people out there still complaining? These are our newest Bucs whether they make the roster or not so get over it. We didn’t need any one of them to be Super Bowl contenders
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:10 am
What bothers me is how the saints keep finding money and are about to sign honey badger
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:11 am
Sometimes these GM’s outsmart themselves. On the other hand, I don’t want guys drafted simply by best available. I don’t like draft rooms that fall in love with players. It can cloud judgement.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:15 am
All of a sudden Houston is a “second tier program”. Funny it wasn’t viewed as an issue for Ed Oliver
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:15 am
Needed and wanted DL… They liked the player and the person. Could they have waited 10 more picks? Maybe, but those trade downs don’t always work out as planned. They had a plan, they stuck to it. Logan Hall will be a good player for us.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:15 am
“He doesn’t take on double teams well” if teams feel they need to double Hall and leave Vita one on one… I’ll take that every time. Hall wont see double teams until he proves it’s needed. I sure hope he does, until then, they have to double Vita, and chip on Shaq. If Hall or Joe flash it will be a scary DL.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:16 am
The 72nd-ranked player on PFF’s Big Board, Logan Hall is a bit of a reach in our eyes for a player who projects as a pass-rushing project. The fit in Tampa Bay makes a lot of sense, though. Hall can line up as a 3-5 technique in Todd Bowles’ defense and use his length to create problems for interior offensive linemen as another piece to put in place alongside Vita Vea.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:17 am
Bring back Suh if you want any chance of being a competitive playoff team
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:17 am
JL said they had Hall on the list at #27, so they must have been very happy to have him fall to #33, regardless of whether other teams had him graded lower. I trust in JL and the coaches. We do this comparison of what ifs every year following the draft. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. As for the “all-in” philosophy, we had the talent to win the SB this year without any rookies. We’re just adding depth at this point. If we get a starter(s) out of the bunch great, but we’re looking primarily for rotational players. And those same players will become starters in future years.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:30 am
I don’t think these rankings take into consideration the actual person…..the character of the person….just the production..etc.
It seems like we put a great deal of emphasis on character and that anytime we ignore that…..we lose…….can anybody say Jackwagon?
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:31 am
I predicted DT, DB, RB, OLine in the first four rounds except never a running back in the first round. I also mentioned there’s not a TE worth taking early in the draft.
They basically did that, waited a little longer for DB, but I think they got a real sleeper there. I am under no illusion that I know these players better than the Buccaneers scouting department. They got guys they believe are quality NFL players and they filled needs.
LFG!
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:36 am
The Bucs took #27, and turned it into Hall, Otton and Goedeke.
That is far superior to ANY player taken at #27.
Licht is a draft magician.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:40 am
Well #27 + #60 but we get your point
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:41 am
Each team has different needs. Having Vita anchor the middle makes Travis Jones less of a fit for instance for the Bucs since he is similar in style. We needed a compliment in the interior of the line. Someone who can penetrate, like GMC used to do as an example. Hall is also versatile, another hallmark of Bowles D. I don’t care what the draft gurus think, only what our scouts thought. I would be very curious to know if we actually considered Wyatt, and if we did, I am glad we didn’t go that way. I have seen that movie too many times. All in all a solid draft to me. Now lets get Gronk back.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:41 am
Is Logan Hall Anthony Nelson 2.0?
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:54 am
We need this guy to be a player and for tryon to start showing you something.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:55 am
People think coaches just stand around. They coach the player to their weaknesses, it’s Todd Bowles defense. I remember Tristan Wirfs was ranked the fourth OT in the draft. Who is Vita Vea? You drafted a player out of Hobart College!!! You got a UDFA TE out of Harvard?
Stay representing for Licht and Bucs FO.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:58 am
You can judge Hall as an individual, but he’ll hold more value being judged against the context of the rotation he’ll be in as a Buc. The versatility is his saving grace and that sort of what I feel made him more valuable to Licht than Wyatt or Jones, because he comes with a flexibility those players wouldn’t provide us with had we drafted them. Doesn’t mean they are no good, just Hall works better and in different ways for what Bowles wants.
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:58 am
I’m okay with this pick. Hall needs to be coached up and put more weight on. Not a perimeter player, IMHO. A younger Will Gholston with more burst is a good thing.
May 2nd, 2022 at 12:02 pm
all of this just means we need to bring back Ndamukong Suh
May 2nd, 2022 at 12:08 pm
Cole Strange was not on their 5 player list. 3rd or 4 round he may have been. Here are your other 4. Hall being the #5.
28. Green Bay Packers: Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia
29. Thank you BB for reaching on a G
30. Kansas City Chiefs: George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue
31. Cincinnati Bengals: Daxton Hill, S, Michigan
32. Minnesota Vikings: Lewis Cine, S, Georgia
May 2nd, 2022 at 12:34 pm
There were 2 DTs & 5 DE/Edge taken in Rnd 1. Walter Football had Logan Hall listed as the 3rd best 3-4 DE and the 8th best 4-3 DE prospect (they didn’t list him as a DT). ASSUMING that we use him mostly as a 3-4 DE, Bucs got a good deal IMO. IF the plan is to use him mostly as a DT, we’d better rethink the plan.
May 2nd, 2022 at 12:36 pm
I watched four games Hall played last year and am not excited about the pick.
in the four games there were 3 or 4 good plays and one dominant play vs Tulsa. Hope he gets coached up and gets bigger and stronger.
May 2nd, 2022 at 12:48 pm
The fact of the matter is no one no how the picks will turn out. Please stop complaining and just be happy we got new toys for our team. Enjoy this year with everything you have. It probably will be the last year with Brady under center. It’s going to be a very bittersweet year.
May 2nd, 2022 at 12:52 pm
If you believe in your scouting dept you take the 2 twos and move back ….. clearly a draft for need move that they pigeonholed themselves into …… but hey it just may work out
May 2nd, 2022 at 12:56 pm
WATCH HIS TAPE …
Big, powerful burst, great motor, and a ton of moves. Hall is 22yo. The guy will be on the Bucs’ DL for the next 8 years.
Love this pick.
May 2nd, 2022 at 12:57 pm
Logan Hall was the most impactful player on the board FOR THIS YEAR. We don’t know if Suh is coming back, and Hall plugs right into the 3-4 DE spot, with versatility to be used as an edge as well. If we drafted an edge guy, he would have been behind Shaq, Tryon, and Nelson at best. If we drafted safety, he would have been in a rotation with Neal and Ryan at best. If we drafted CB, he would have been CB4 at best. Tight end would have been a bigger reach than Hall, and receiver would have been way down the depth chart as well. I’m very pleased with who we got in this draft. We filled needs and got good value. Some people are obsessed with PFF or mock boards when determining value…. but all it takes is one other franchise to like the guy you want and you will miss out on him. We won’t know for sure how Licht did in this draft for a few years, but my immediate impression is he did a great job. And like Joe always says, he has certainly earned the clout to give him the benefit of the doubt!
May 2nd, 2022 at 2:06 pm
This draft has left can bad taste in my mouth! Passing on the top DT Davante Wyatt is unforgivable! The drop off from Wyatt to Hall is huge. Then they miss out on the top TE Trey McBride because they only were willing to trade up three spots to 57 instead of 5 spots to 55. Then they pick Rachaad White over Dameon Pierce. White’s running style will not translate to the NFL. He will become strictly a third down pass catcher whereas Pierce is a tough runner who can stand in for Fournette if needed to. Then they take Camarda over Punt god. So, we could have had Wyatt, McBride, Pierce, & Punt god but ended up with Hall, Otton, White, & Camarda in those positions. Not good!! Yes we did also end up getting another Guard to add to the half dozen we’ve already got.
May 2nd, 2022 at 3:12 pm
Mike in Arkansas Says:
May 2nd, 2022 at 11:41 am
Not in any way, shape, or form. First, different size and proportions, and they play different positions. Hall is a much better prospect. His upside is Pro Bowler. Nelson’s upside is capable rotational starter which is why he was a 4th rounder.
May 2nd, 2022 at 3:14 pm
People love to b!tch and moan after a draft. It happens every year, it’s like clockwork. I guess if that’s how you enjoy your football, knock yerself out.
May 2nd, 2022 at 3:45 pm
BUCman: What you fail to mention, and is true, is that Licht and his scouts know more about the draft prospects than you and I. You wanted Wyatt, they obviously found a reason not to draft him. It could’ve been that they wanted extra picks, it could be more than that. I’m rooting for Logan Hall now, and not Wyatt.
May 2nd, 2022 at 4:28 pm
Got to admit it…I was not happy with the Bucs not taking Wyatt and could not believe he was still there at #27! But after looking at who else they got in the trade down (and later up) I think the front office did a great job. Like the versatility Hall can bring to the table. Luke Goedeke looks like he can develop into another stud guard and I really like the potential of Cade Otton (even if Gronk comes back) and Zyon McCollum should turn out to be a strong corner. I know a lot of people are down on punter Jake Camarda pick but with him coming in we can save $2.9 million on Pinon and maybe get Suh back for 1 more year! Overall I give the Bucs Draft B-Plus…LFG!!!!!
May 2nd, 2022 at 5:52 pm
Wyatt AND Cine had off-field issues that the Bucs are probably very happy to avoid, at this point. I am sure we did well, but more time will tell.
May 2nd, 2022 at 8:00 pm
Let’s now trade the last two drafts
C-minus for both
May 2nd, 2022 at 8:11 pm
I doubt Brady cares who we drafted. They guy is too busy filming movies. He’s checked out for the season. I’ve followed this guy career since Michigan, and for the first time ever I’m having serious doubts that this guy is even all in. I gotta think his teammates look at his IG page and think the same
May 2nd, 2022 at 9:16 pm
@crickett. The Packers might be the most wholesome franchise in the league, and they took Wyatt. The pick should’ve been Wyatt. He’s way better than Hall, and he actually played against high quality opponents. Wyatt could make an immediate impact. Speaking of the Packers, they’re defense will be scary and we play them this year. Out of the Rams, Saints, and Packers our defense is much worse than them. We needed to do more to address this defense this offseason. Defense Rules has been sounding the alarm on this defense for months.
May 2nd, 2022 at 10:31 pm
Wyatt is better than Hall with his 2 sacks last season? 5 career total. Surrounded by first round picks? Had a dadgum tractor playing next to him in Davis and all he could muster was 5 career sacks? We needed exactly what BA & Bowles said we needed: a pass rushing interior lineman, which is what we got. He has no character flaws and is only 22 plus he fits our scheme much better. Trust this FO and coaching staff. I do
May 2nd, 2022 at 10:33 pm
Great takes today btw. This is getting me through a long hitch way up north.
May 3rd, 2022 at 6:23 am
We still need D line help. I thought we’d take Wyatt but had doubts about him. Not down on Hall, just need more guys to help Vita.
May 3rd, 2022 at 9:58 am
The problem with people that think Jason Licht’s career was saved by Tom Brady… they don’t see that Licht has assembled a top 5 roster the past three seasons straight (with or without Brady). Best WR corps the last two seasons, best OL, one of the best defenses… still the best young secondary in football. Licht is the miracle worker, football version.
May 3rd, 2022 at 8:22 pm
I bet all the guys complaining about Hall on here are the same ones who thought they were smart, and were upset about Vita being picked. Some of you on here think y’all know what you’re talking about, but have never played a sport a day in your lives…just a bunch of jokes if you ask me.