Russell Gage On Carlton Davis: “Underrated”
March 19th, 2022
New Bucs receiver Russell Gage
Some Bucs fans were ready to turn the page on the team’s best cornerback in free agency. New Bucs receiver Russell Gage is happy those fans didn’t get their wish.
Gage has a lot of good things to say about Carlton Davis and admitted Davis is beyond a pest for a receiver to face.
“CD [Davis] is for sure one of the best corners I’ve gone up against,” Gage said. “The dude — I think he is underrated. He’s real tall, tall, long but quick for his length. He can play on the quicker side of things. He’s very aggressive. Man, he is just an all-around good corner.
“You really have to come with it when you go against him.”
Tall, fast corners like Davis “are irritating to get around,” Gage said. He added add other Bucs corners to the mix of being tall and quick and “irritating.”
Joe hopes versatile Gage, who can play both slot and outside, is irritating to Bucs opponents.
March 19th, 2022 at 6:04 am
“Later in career” AB 2.0 clone without the headache
He is about to be stoked knowing he goes against the third db with no safety over the top. Pretty sure he will be able to separate from his matchup regularly
March 19th, 2022 at 6:38 am
Really like the addition of this guy.
March 19th, 2022 at 6:41 am
So Bucs have a ton of good defensive players, but the defense sucked last year because they blitzed too much?
March 19th, 2022 at 7:04 am
For every good one three bad ones. I don’t think Deshaun Jackson & Cupp feel the same way.
March 19th, 2022 at 7:07 am
Irritating is an interesting description…..
March 19th, 2022 at 7:17 am
This receiver I am liking more and more, as I watch his past film.
March 19th, 2022 at 7:53 am
Your pass rush wasn’t great last and wasn’t great last year but that dreadful secondary is what’s holding you back. The whole league and any fan that has eyes knows you can pass all day no matter who you are on the Bucs. They need more. Maybe the thin skinned goof from The Chiefs and the loaded CB’s in this year’s draft or Patrick Petersen make sense to add obviously.!You need more than one. Resigning your own isn’t gonna help much. Add. I’m sure you will. Imho whomever wins the now incredibly stacked AFC likely will win the Bowl anyway, so I’d finally add to your one constant hole. Incredibly they never do. Davis gets beat even more than supposed great corners so add, add, add. Decent player though but to win again you have to add new blood.
March 19th, 2022 at 8:01 am
IMO the defense didn’t suck because we blitzed too much. I think the defense sucked because JPP and our secondary were injured. Even when the secondary came back, we missed the pass rush. If JPP is healthy we have had a great pass rush in the past. IMO JPP is a beast. If he wants to come back and play I’m signing him. He’s come back from everything. He’s been the Simeon Rice of this defense not Shaq. I’d resign him suh and Gholston. Then i would draft heavy on the defensive side of the ball. I think that with Lenny and Gronk is a super bowl team.
March 19th, 2022 at 8:14 am
Agree Thisisouryear-
Or perhaps Patterson in there as rb/return/gadget guy.
And my pipe dream is Akeim Hicks-
March 19th, 2022 at 8:30 am
Love the addition of him as the slot guy and he’s only 26.
March 19th, 2022 at 8:52 am
Good CB’s will be beaten by good WR’s in today’s NFL because the NFL rules now are designed to favor offense.
The days of a Darrel Green or Deion Sanders eliminating half of the field are a thing of the past.
The days of John Lynch and Ronnie Lott striking fear in an opposing WR as they cross over the middle are over.
Defensive holding rules, pass interference rules, hitting a defenseless receiver rules, helmet to helmet, hitting an opponents helmet with first contact as you are tackling them, can’t cut a WR at the knees anymore when the QB is in the pocket.
I don’t want anybody to think I’m arguing that these are all bad rules. Some of these rules are great. I’m a huge advocate of reducing CTI. Getting your bell rung is a phrase many of us heard in the past, and they now make those of us who heard them and are involved in the game today want to make it better because we know better now. Coaches love their players and don’t want what happened to Junior Seau to happen with their players now.
With that said, anybody betting that a CB can take away a Kupp for the entirety of a game or a ME13 for an entirety of a game is making a bad bet because they don’t understand the NFL rules in today’s game.
March 19th, 2022 at 9:18 am
Belle for once I agree with you but the habitual 3rd & 9, 15, 20’s that the Bucs DB’s notoriously give up is over the top. I will give you some are caused by blitz packages that don’t get home but the games that come to mind are Saints game 1, WFT, Jets, Indy, Bill and Rams PO game. How does Kupp run the exact same play as Jackson did earlier in the season and Davis gets smoked and Edward’s gets turned around twice? The exact same play? That’s the disconnect.
March 19th, 2022 at 9:26 am
Joe, wake up..you are late.. no comment on D Adams going to the Raiders? Weakens GB for NFC title. “Come on Man”
March 19th, 2022 at 9:34 am
Any fan of the Bucs for the last 5 years has seen up and down play by Carlton Davis to say the least. Health has been a big issue with him the last couple of years. He has missed many games do to injury. Watching him fall down covering Devante Adams in the NFC title game in GB, and Adams waltzing down the field for a TD is one example of why you as a fan you are never really at ease with him covering. Being torched for 200 by Tareek Hill was not fun to watch. He had a shell shocked look in that KC game if anyone remembers. He has plenty of talent, but for whatever reasons he has not played like A Talib said about Carlton, that he is one of the best. He is not at this time top tier guy as a Corner Back, maybe that changes, but so far no. The Bucs were in a hard spot with CD, He is better than a rookie they can draft and play this year. You cannot put a rookie out there, while they are all in mode during TB12’s time here. So since he is a Buc, I hope he stays healthy, and improves. We will see.
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 19th, 2022 at 9:59 am
Davis isn’t underrated, he’s seriously OVERRATED.
The Three Stooges, Davis, Dean, and SMB collectively gave up more 3rd-and-longs in the NFL probably more than any other secondary.
Davis’ weaknesses are often covered by ZONE coverage & blitz packages. He plays a lot of zone where he has help from others. Rarely is he dominating his man in one-on-one coverage.
As August 1796 Buc pointed out above, how quickly Bucs fans forget Davis was absolutely TORCHED by Tareek Hill for over 200 yards IN A HALF. And being dominated by Adams in the playoffs and his falling down to give up a 50+ yard TD that could have cost us the game.
March 19th, 2022 at 10:00 am
I think Jamel Dean took big steps this year too. I think Dean and Davis (if healthy) are two very good corners. I think SMB needs to to take a large step forward.
March 19th, 2022 at 11:26 am
Hmm, who to believe? BradyBucs, the blog contrarian who seems to gloss over the fact that we’ve won 29 games the last two years with what he would have you believe is the worst secondary and defense in the NFL, or Russell Gage, a professional who has actually faced the man in question. Will have to think long and hard about this…
March 19th, 2022 at 11:34 am
For those of you who might want more information on this awesome acquisition look for Russell Gage/Relentless on YouTube. It will make you forget AB really quickly. Over the years I have always studied players that could make us better as a team, everyone does. What if, I throw that around a lot. You watch him against our defensive backs and he gave us fits. Teams with shifty recievers give our defense headaches, ie, see Ram highlights. We can’t cover spots on the field. Those spots that Sean McVay loves to toy with when he plays
March 19th, 2022 at 11:37 am
The CB position group is in dire need of upgrading, but it’s absurd to pin their faults on Davis. He’s the only quality CB in the entire group.
We have to wait for the draft. The CB quality was insanely thin this year on the free agency marketplace. Drafting CBs is a tricky proposition, few are good right out of the box. It takes time and lots of snaps to bring a rookie CB up to speed. That’s why it hurt that a CB wasn’t taken last season. This season I hope that Licht takes two CBs fairly early, at least by the fourth round.
March 19th, 2022 at 11:44 am
Let’s see – who would someone believe? A good football playing wide receiver who has gone up against CD twice a year, or a raving idiot who might have played Madden 2004, who criticizes Bucs DBs with no viable better solutions to offer?
March 19th, 2022 at 11:45 am
Steven007 – LOL I should have read your post first. You said it better.
March 19th, 2022 at 11:49 am
Goatfarmer, great minds…
March 19th, 2022 at 12:18 pm
Media should ask about the number change to 14. Was it homage to Godwin? What number will he choose going forward? Too soon for 83? He’s probably picking a teen #.
If this was ask already I missed it.
March 19th, 2022 at 12:54 pm
A good move in a series of good moves by Licht/Brady.
March 19th, 2022 at 12:55 pm
What would you expect the new guy on the team to say? That Davis really blows?
Take it with a grain of salt. Like all things the truth is somewhere in the middle.
March 19th, 2022 at 1:00 pm
Yup S007 and Goat. Exactly. I would have called you out about dogging some old school madden game but the funny thing is 2004 was one of the worst. If you were Vick at QB, you won. He was unstoppable just taking off every time. 712 yards rushing and zero yard passing. Wait. What were we talking about. Oh, you are absolutely 1000% ignorant if you don’t understand that CD is a #1 corner and that he is top 25 in the league.
March 19th, 2022 at 2:56 pm
@List
First off, @BradyBucs is a Bucs hater and doesn’t understand defense.
On one of the TD’s to Hill in the 2020 regular season game, it was clear that the Bucs were in Cover 2 Man/Cover 1 and that Winfield was late to provide over the top help to Davis. Also, what DC expects a CB to be able to cover the Cheetah on a crossing route? That’s a poorly schemed defense that Hill scored another TD on.
I am more forgiving of a CB getting burnt in Cover 1/Cover 2 Man. It happens to the best CB.
I am more forgiving when the defensive scheme doesn’t make sense. Hill should never be allowed to run a free release crossing route against Cover 2/Man Cover 2. That crossing route is a guaranteed man defense beater.
A DB getting his hips turned routinely as the WR stems him like Edwards did is a HUGE problem, and that’s why in my opinion the Bucs brought in a veteran DB like Ryan on to the team.
March 19th, 2022 at 3:01 pm
Dean is second string material if we want to try to put a great secondary together, but would be awesome second string CB if we had the type of injuries last year. SMB the same or I might give him a chance with a better number two CB. SMB is great depth, also.
I think we were number one in interceptions by a different DB. That sounds “terribly good” lol.
March 19th, 2022 at 3:25 pm
It is amazing how bad Joebucs fans think this defense is.
2020 they gave up the 8th fewest points.
2021 they gave up the 5th fewest points.
I will take a team with the 2nd most points scored by the offense and 5th fewest points scored by the defense like last year and roll the die in the playoff again.
But this was not a bad defense.
March 19th, 2022 at 3:27 pm
Gage has had the biggest games of his career vs the Bucs … and Davis.
Just sayin’.
March 19th, 2022 at 3:30 pm
geno711 – Most of the posters here have the mind of a goldfish, so they can’t remember anything past the last thing they saw.
March 19th, 2022 at 3:37 pm
What a relief knowing that Brady will have an open receiver when he needs to get the ball out FAST. Now Godwin can take what time he needs to return 100%. Not saying that Chris wouldn’t be ready for Game 1 next September. Just that it’ll allow him to ramp up to 100%, fully rehabbed and confident of his knee.
Now, I hope that Tom Brady has forced BA and maybe the front office to address the year in, year out PREVENTABLE soft tissue injuries which have plagued the Bucs BEFORE and SINCE Brady signed. Yes, I’m talking about all those #%”%#”%#$% hamstring injuries. I’d be willing to bet that the Bucs are among the top three teams who have had the least availability of skill players due to hamstring injuries. Thus has to be maddening for Brady who can’t finish a sentence without mentioning “pliability”.
A proper conditioning, hydration and pre-practice, pre-game stretching regime mandated and enforced ($ incentives? fines? hi-tech monitoring? Whatever it takes to stop this nonsense). But if the coaches don’t buy in to what Tom has been preaching then don’t expect the players to either. Let’s face it. Players HATE taking the time, energy and pain it takes to insure that their bodies are 100% ready for full speed.
Consistantly losing your skill players to hamstring injuries is a sign of LAZY coaching and conditioning staff and LAZY players. Instead of acting the fool saying your “proud of your post-game BOOZE CULTURE”, how about working on the “professionalism” aspect of the game?
March 19th, 2022 at 3:47 pm
I’m fine overpaying for the somewhat brittle, “can’t stay healthy for an entire season” Carlton since we are obviously all in this year so f it. I’m still conflicted as to whether Carlton would be worth the loot even if he had never missed a game in his career though. His passes defensed in four years are very good, but his interception totals are lousy for what some see as an elite corner.
Ah well, it’s not like Gage is going to throw a brand new teammate under the bus and he can say Carlton’s the new Deion Sanders until he’s blue in the face and it still won’t make it true. 😜
March 19th, 2022 at 4:53 pm
Thank you BelleGlade for reminding everyone how increasingly ridiculous rule changes (which get worse every season) severely restrict defensive playmaking while idiotically favoring offense and big plays. NFL wants video game highlights and $ from normies. Football hasn’t been football for a long time.
That said, back to C. Davis. He is OVERrated. Yes he flashes. Yes he makes plays. But he gives up a lot of huge ones. Consistently. He isn’t shutdown. This secondary needs upgrading. Logan Ryan will bring leadership and should push these guys, but more toughness and focus needed, from more depth.
Gage is happy and coming in to a new locker room to make new friends among teammates. He is going to talk up everyone on the roster.
March 19th, 2022 at 5:30 pm
Happy with the addition to the roster!
March 19th, 2022 at 8:38 pm
BelleGladeBuc,
I’ve been a fan of this team since they began in 1976. I know a lot more about NFL schemes and personnel than you probably do. I’m hardly a “Bucs hater” as I’ve been going to games for over 40 years. I was at the Super Bowl win in San Diego in 2003 and cried tears of joy. I LOVE this team and franchise very much.
But I don’t give players a pass because they wear the uniform.
You’re just another Bucs fan with BLINDERS ON thinking Davis, Dean, and SMB are somehow solid NFL cover guys just because they’ve made some splash plays here and there and because they “held up” during our Super Bowl run due to our suffocating pass rush; which was partially due to facing two banged up O-Lines in the NFC Championship game and the Super Bowl. Funny how the “Gravediggers” got cocky and named themselves that after the Super Bowl and then ended up getting TORCHED anytime our pass rush wasn’t getting home last year; that unit rarely creates “coverage sacks” like other solid secondaries. I’m not even talking about when there were injuries (which was most of the year) when all those guys were healthy they got SMOKED. We were very fortunate that we beat the Cowboys in that season opener. Dak lit them up the entire game.
All of us that watched that Chiefs game where Hill torched us remember Winfield not helping out over the top, but that doesn’t excuse Davis “our #1 corner” from getting absolutely embarrassed when lined up on Hill one-on-one.
Davis has also been BURNED many, many times throughout last season (and the one before). He gives up HUGE YARDAGE at times, and worse, at very critical times like on 3rd and long.
Davis is definitely our best corner, but that’s not really saying much. More than half the teams in the NFL have a corner that’s better than Davis.
If we don’t bring on a STARTING CORNER from the draft or somehow from free agency, this team is once again in DEEP TROUBLE when it comes to actually getting needed stops and being able to compete against the top Offenses.
I can’t wait to hear your excuses when David, Dean, SMB (if we don’t bring in replacements for one or more of them) get embarrassed once again this season.
March 19th, 2022 at 8:51 pm
He got you there Belle, I mean DumbBelle. Touche BradyBucs. DumbBelle, you’re up.
March 19th, 2022 at 10:25 pm
@Sh!tlist
@BradyBucs
Hey guys look, Brady Bucs says that he is smarter than Ronde Barber and knows more about playing CB in the NFL than Ronde Barber.
Ronde Barber said that Davis is one of the best corners in the league, but we all know that @BradyBucs knows way more about football than Ronde Barber. SMH
March 19th, 2022 at 10:42 pm
C Davis is a decent player, BUT one of the best, not even close. I like Rhonde, but he is connected to the Bucs at the hip. So I see where he is coming from. And the fact he played CB and then Saftey. But anyone can go and watch game by game, play by play of any player on the Bucs. The secondary needs and overhual. Hopefully Logan sets a great example but who knows how 2022 will go. But anyone just being objective, and watches the Bucs secondary for the last few years, gsme by game can see they need to srep up. Throw away the grave diggers name please. The only thing they buried last year was the Bucs against the Rams, giving up the Stafford to Kupp kill shot. Are they terrible mostly no, but they need to #1 stay healthy, and #2 step up, and not play scared 10 yards off the receiver conceeding first downs kind of defense.
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 19th, 2022 at 10:51 pm
BelleGladeBuc,
You sound like a 12 year old kid reverting to “whataboutism” because you have no actual arguments of your own.
I’m not surprised.
March 19th, 2022 at 11:02 pm
@BradyBucs
Do you read Joe Bucs Fan’s awesome site?
This is what Ronde said:
“Carlton, when I watch film, he is one of the better press-man corners in the league. What doesn’t impress you is production in terms of takeaways, but his skill on the outside is as good as anybody in football. A lot of people look at me crazy when I say that. But the reality is the guy can take away a No. 1 receiver. And that’s what this league looks for in that position,” Barber said.
I agree with Ronde.
You have said Davis is not really that good, and thus disagree with Ronde and me.
Those are facts, not whataboutism.
It’s called using experts in their fields opinions to support your argument. It’s argumentative writing 101. It’s what our kids are taught to do in elementary school all the way to high school in Language Arts class. Sorry if you didn’t learn that in school.
I’m not surprised though.
March 19th, 2022 at 11:15 pm
@BradyBucs
I noticed you conveniently ignored the fact that I stated about Davis being the only CB in the NFL to hold 1st Team NFL All Pro Michael Thomas to zero catches on 4 targets from HOF to be legendary QB Drew Brees.
I stated that Davis gave Thomas the nickname “Slant Boy” after the game.
It’s what weak minds and poor readers like you do though, @BradyBuc, do I’m not surprised.
March 19th, 2022 at 11:40 pm
@BradyBucs
Dak Prescott lit up Carlton Davis so many times in week 1 last year that Davis intercepted him, and then Dak stopped targeting him as Dak only threw at Davis 9 times completing 4 passes for 47 yards for that game according to Pro Football Reference and PFF.
You either don’t watch Bucs games, have a bad memory or aren’t very knowledgeable about football @Brady Bucs if you think a CB giving up 47 yards and intercepting Dak Prescott is getting torched.
March 20th, 2022 at 12:27 am
@BradyBuc
Dak Prescott threw 58 times in the 2021 game against the Bucs.
Of those 58 attempts, Dak Prescott threw at Davis 9 times, completing 4 pass for 43 yards.
Dak only threw at Davis approximately 16% of his passes during the game. That means that Dak respected Davis and picked on the true weak links in our secondary for 84% of his passes.
If you want me to further embarrass you with stats supporting my assessment of Davis, just let me know.
There’s the narrative, and then there’s the truth. You bought in to the Davis is bad narrative @BradyBuc.
Davis and Winfield are very good DB’s.
In this draft I would love to get Wyatt from Georgia to bolster our speed and interior pass rush and Hill from Michigan at corner. Hill is 6 feet and runs a 4.3, and he performed well when matched up against Olave in the Ohio State game.
March 20th, 2022 at 12:58 am
BradyBuc –
Please justify why you are right, and all Bucs players, coaches, staff, and the NFL in general are wrong? Seems you and a few idiots who think they know more than people who actually live in the game are better at discerning talent.
Before you justify – please include some bullet points concerning the results of the interview process at OBP, because by George, if you know so much, Glazers need you!
March 20th, 2022 at 1:17 am
I just want to jump in here for a quick 2 cents on the back and forth that of course the Joe’s gifted to Especially a couple of fans on this topic.
First off I’ve got to admit that I didn’t see the presser when Gage took the podium so I’ve gotta ask…. JOE, did you or of course, one of you ask Gage this question to Gage? If so, BRILLIANT! Way to bring the Fire to your web blog Fans! Seriously, if you did, Well Done. But be honest. If you did then BY All Means take the credit.
Guys I do want to point out a small matter and that is that it so happens to be a Fact that the Joe’s are in favor of Carlton being a Top Flight and Indeed a Top Tier Corner Back in the NFL. That’s pretty strong support for Belle’s argument.
With that said, I happen to be in the corner of “I’m Sure Glad we Didn’t lose him” crowd. And I Believe him to be the Best by far we have on our roster. Hey Rhonde said so himself.
However there is another side of it that Just Keeps Sticking out in my mind that says not so fast concerning top 5 to 10. And it’s bothering the hell out of me.. The tackling. It’s been stated here and there. It’s been debated back and forth. But there is One Thing my lying eyes Just Can’t get over and that’s the number of MISSED TACKLES! I hate it! I can’t stand it! And that’s the Take Down ability of The Entire Secondary!
We LOST GAMES because of it! We lost closing games out Again and Again because of it! It’s Embarrassing! It’s Literally EMBARRASSING…
Carlton. Is he the best we’ve got? By Far! Could he be better? By Far!
Top 10? Maybe. Top 5 “A SHUT DOWN CORNER”‽ What does your gut tell you?
GO BUCS!
March 20th, 2022 at 1:19 am
Oh BTW – @BelleGlade – outstanding. But expect a reply similar to when a Flat Earth Believer keeps going back to the time the fell off a stool while changing a light bulb and didn’t coast around the globe.
March 20th, 2022 at 1:46 am
Bell and BradyBucs to meet at the OK Corral live on BSPN lol
But any objective fan can see that the secondary as a whole HAS BEEN A WEAKNESS for the most part over the years. They have had their moments. But they scare no one.
When the pass rush is on, like they were during the Super Bowl Run, the Pass defense played well. Yes without a pass rush, secondaries are in trouble, BUT… as mentioned, you do not really hear much at all about a “Coverage Sack” happening with the Bucs D. If they were better, then you would hear that at least sometimes. Are they a terrible secondary, NO, but mediocre is not going to cut it.
Thank God, the Offense scores 30+ a game, to give the D some cushion, but again, the secondary of the Bucs scares no one.
Again the Grave Diggers gave up the Kill Shot that wasted a heroic comeback by Brady, and then his 40 day retirement.
Licht is great finding O lineman, hopefully that can happen with the secondary in the draft. Looks like a good start so far in 2022 by Licht by getting the FA Logan to help out the secondary.
GO BUCS!!!!
March 20th, 2022 at 7:42 am
how did julio jones go from like the best receiver in the league to a complete wash out in like a little over one season?…
sometimes dudes go from heaven to hell in one fell swoop…
his demise happened lightning quick…
then on top of that atlanta lost gage…and ridley got suspended…
matt ryan had his entire receiving corps ripped out from under him in basically a heartbeat
March 20th, 2022 at 7:58 am
BelleCow, you site games that Davis played well in. Nobody is debating his potential. If you’re going to take the time to review the Dallas game, why not do the same for the Rams both games, Jets, Bill’s, Atl game 1, Miami, Indy and WFT? Now I’m not going to look it up and he may have not been on the field during a few of those games but if he wS he surely wasn’t top 5. I think Toilet Bowles should bring in a wrestling coach to teach these DB’s how to wrap up.
March 20th, 2022 at 10:23 am
@Sh!tlist
You prove how much of a Two Face Lyin Cheatn fan you are.
ANY Bucs fans knows that Davis missed 2 months and 7 games with pulled groin injury last year from week 5 to Week 12. Those missed weeks include the Miami, Indy and WFT games.
Because you’re a Two Faced Fan and lazy, do the research yourself, I gave you a head start, you’re welcome.
If you want to prove me wrong, then do it @Sh!tlist.
Until then, my facts are indisputable and go unchallenged, and thus prove me right and you @Sh!tlist wrong as you are either to lazy, to cowardly or unable to present a counter point in this debate.
March 20th, 2022 at 12:29 pm
List,
Don’t even waste your time with BelleGladeBuc, he’s clearly a clown where reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit.
I particularly love how he says “but…but…but… Ronde said he’s great so he has to be.” Then follows that up with a bunch of obviously defensive posts where he went and looked up stats and CHERRY-PICKED some parts of games where he played okay.
“My facts are indisputable” LOLZ
Carlton Davis gave up more yards than any of our other defensive backs when aggregating the games they each played in when healthy. Let me repeat that… GAVE UP MORE YARDS IN COVERAGE.
He’s not as great as you think he is. He’s seriously overrated.
Goatfarmer, Bucs coaches and scouts aren’t saying Davis is one of the best in the NFL or they would have franchise tagged him or given him a $20M+/year contract. They resigned him to a reasonable contract (based on the market) to keep him since he was better than what they already had and losing him would make the weak secondary even worse. I never said Davis was terrible, I think he’s just a half-decent NFL corner, somewhere ranked around 20th-30th in the league.
Davis, even receiving a recent contract (where contracts constantly move aggregate value higher and higher on setting new baselines as the cap increases) is now not even a Top 10 highest corner salary. I believe when taking in the full value of other contracts, he’s like 12th or something. That’s before Gilmore and others sign new deals as well.
So if Davis is so great, why didn’t the market pay him like he was? Ohh… because “he took a hometown discount?” LOL. He fully tested free agency and the market was SOFTER on him than he and his agent thought. Not a single team offered him more than the Bucs gave him. He got a slight premium from the Bucs because of how the Bucs valued him with him already knowing their system AND knowing our secondary that’s already struggling would be in even worst shape.
ALL the evidence is there that his guy is not some “Top 5 Elite” corner in the NFL so many of you claim he is. Ronde wasn’t claiming that either if you actually listened to every word he was saying.
March 20th, 2022 at 12:42 pm
@BradyBucs
Every time you come to the debate you don’t disappoint us.
Just when we thought that you couldn’t top you stupidity, you do it again.
Bravo.
In 2021 Carlton Davis played 10 games for the Bucs.
In those ten games he gave up 422 yards total per PFF and PFR.
That comes out to 42 yards per game average for Carlton Davis.
Jalen Ramsey played 17 games for the Bucs in 2021, giving up 624 total yards, giving up 36 yards on average per game.
Jalen Ramsey was 1st Team All Pro last year.
But you’re right @BradyBucs, Carlton Davis giving up 6 more yards per game than a 1st Team All Pro definitely shows that he is not a good NFL CB1.
March 20th, 2022 at 12:59 pm
@BradyBucs
Travon Diggs played 17 games for the Cowuin 2021, giving up 902 total yards, giving up 53 yards on average per game.
Diggs was 1st Team All Pro last year.
But you’re right @BradyBucs, Carlton Davis giving up 11 yards less per game than a 1st Team All Pro definitely shows that he is not a good NFL CB1.
March 20th, 2022 at 1:00 pm
@BradyBucs
Travon Diggs played 17 games for the Cowboys in 2021, giving up 902 total yards, giving up 53 yards on average per game.
Diggs was 1st Team All Pro last year.
But you’re right @BradyBucs, Carlton Davis giving up 11 yards less per game than a 1st Team All Pro definitely shows that he is not a good NFL CB1.
March 20th, 2022 at 1:50 pm
@BradyBucs
This is what you wrote:
“Carlton Davis gave up more yards than any of our other defensive backs when aggregating the games they each played in when healthy. Let me repeat that… GAVE UP MORE YARDS IN COVERAGE.”
SMB is a CB for the Bucs.
SMB played 9 games for the Bucs in 2021, giving up 408 total yards, giving up 45 yards on average per game.
SMB gave up more yards per game than Davis. Davis gave up 42 yards per game.
You’re wrong again @BradyBucs
March 20th, 2022 at 2:39 pm
Also love how you use quotation marks to attribute a quote to me, @BradyBucs.
I feel like I’m teaching a Language Arts class to an adult who should already know these elementary school rules.
When you use quotation marks and say that this is what a person said, you have to be 100% accurate. It has to be exactly what the person stated.
You wrote this about me, @BradyBucs:
“I particularly love how he says “but…but…but… Ronde said he’s great so he has to be.”
I never stated those exact words. When a person like you does that @BradyBucs you are lying.
I used an expert in his field to support my claims.
I guess @BradyBucs doesn’t think that Ronde Barber is an expert in his field when it comes to evaluating NFL DB play. SMH
March 20th, 2022 at 2:45 pm
@BradyBucs
All you have written are opinions with no stats to backup your claims. You have made many opinionated statements that the stats have proven to be incorrect many times.
Where’s your data?
Where’s your expert opinion?
March 20th, 2022 at 4:28 pm
BelleGladeBucs,
Dude, you’re a total clown. I love your rambling ‘word salad’ replies where you’re so desperately trying your little heart out to make yourself sound smart. Spoiler alert: you’re not.
Defense Rules already posted a fully analysis of how Davis has given up more yards than our other guys based on snaps played and other factors, not just total games. Go back a few posts and you’ll see the data, I’m not going to waste my time and do it for you.
And, dude, the total ‘nail in the coffin’ that proves your idiocy is you grasping at straws to try and scold me over usage of quotation marks. LMAO. If you honestly believe the only usage of quotation marks in the written English language is to exactly quote what someone said/wrote (and not also used to imply a supposed thought, sarcasm, or inference of mood) the you really are much dumber than I already thought you were.
Posting 10 follow ups to your own replies to add other points/comments to your position/point-of-view just makes you look lazy & overly defensive, so give it a rest and stop doing it.
March 20th, 2022 at 4:30 pm
@BradyBucs
This is what you stated:
“Davis, even receiving a recent contract (where contracts constantly move aggregate value higher and higher on setting new baselines as the cap increases) is now not even a Top 10 highest corner salary. I believe when taking in the full value of other contracts, he’s like 12th or something. That’s before Gilmore and others sign new deals as well.“
You’re wrong again.
According to Spotrac, Carlton Davis is in the top 10 of highest paid corner’s salary, as he has the 9th largest contract currently.
March 20th, 2022 at 4:57 pm
@BrsdyBucs
You’re a joke.
You’re wrong about Davis’s contract.
Wrong about Davis’s stats.
Wrong that he signed before free agency opened on Wednesday, as he signed on money.
Wrong that John Lynch and the 49ers weren’t targeting Davis.
Wrong about Davis giving up the most yards per snap of any Bucs defensive back.
Bucs CB SMB gave up 408 yards on 461 snaps that he played for the Bucs in 2021, giving up .88 yards per snap.
Bucs CB Davis gave up 422 yards on 638 snaps that he played for the Bucs in 2021, giving up .66 yards per snap.
SMB’s .88 is > Davis’s .66
Dude, to quote the great Michael Clayton, you’re a clown show @BradyBucs
March 20th, 2022 at 5:43 pm
@BradyBucs
You’re correct about quotation marks having multi functionality, but you’re wrong again, shocker.
When you use quotation marks after you state in a sentence that a person stated this, then you are bound by the grammar rules that use quotation marks in that case, which is you’re stating that what you’re using the quotation marks for is exactly what the person wrote.
March 20th, 2022 at 5:53 pm
@BradyBucs
All you have written are opinions with no stats to backup your claims.
You have made many opinionated statements that the stats have proven to be incorrect many times.
Where’s your data?
Where’s your expert opinions?
March 20th, 2022 at 9:19 pm
Wow DumbBelle really like the hear himself spout off. Bradybuc, what DumbBelle fails to mention is how GREAT the Qb’s were that Davis faced last season. Two elite QB, Josh Allen, oh and Matthew Stafford, both I believe lit Davis up.
March 20th, 2022 at 9:55 pm
List,
Belle has to be one of the most ridiculous homers ever seen posting on this site. The word salad replies, the massive show of insecurity to post MULTIPLE reply posts after his own posts, and now the cherry on top of trying to ‘correct’ someone concerning the usage of quotation marks (of which he clearly doesn’t understand something called ‘context’ or ‘inference’ and is very wrong anyway).
FREAKIN’ QUOTATION MARKS. SERIOUSLY? QUOTATION MARKS? BAHAHAHAHA.
He will now be forever known as BelleClownBuc.
Ringling Bros. are apparently making a comeback in 2023. He should definitely have that resume ready.
March 20th, 2022 at 10:39 pm
@FraidyBucs
You’re a joke and a coward.
Worse though, you’re a liar. When you say that people say things that they haven’t said then you a liar.
My father said that the only thing that a man truly has in this world is their word, and that being a liar is the worse thing a man can because he’s being a coward. He said little boys are afraid of the truth.
You can’t come up with stats.
Can’t come up with experts to support your arguments.
Mentally weak as all you offer in rebuttal to a debate is opinions and personal attacks, which are the refuge of a weak minded debater.
You’re wrong about Davis’s contract.
Wrong about Davis’s stats.
Wrong that he didn’t sign before free agency opened on Wednesday, as he signed on Monday.
Wrong that John Lynch and the 49ers weren’t targeting Davis.
Wrong about Davis giving up the most yards per snap of any Bucs defensive back.
Bucs CB SMB gave up 408 yards on 461 snaps that he played for the Bucs in 2021, giving up .88 yards per snap.
Bucs CB Davis gave up 422 yards on 638 snaps that he played for the Bucs in 2021, giving up .66 yards per snap.
SMB’s .88 is > Davis’s .66
You’re a poser, @FraidyBucs, who uses my clown insult because you’re to stupid to come up with your own material. At least I have the class to attribute it to the source in Clayton.
Dude, to quote the great Michael Clayton, you’re a clown show @FraidyBucs