Carlton Davis Is Staying Home
March 14th, 2022
He’s back!
UPDATED 5:32 p.m. – What a welcome piece of news!
Ian Rapoport of NFL Network Twitters that Bucs free agent corner Carlton Davis will not bolt the team. Instead, Davis will stay with the Bucs.
Joe received a tip over the weekend from a trusted source that Davis was all but gone and the Bucs were bracing for him to sign elsewhere with news of the new team to be known as early as Monday afternoon.
That was before Tom Brady announced his return.
Well, it is Monday afternoon. And it is Davis’ old team. You think Tom Brady may have influenced Davis? 🤔
Davis, 25, likely landed a huge deal at $15 million per season. (Damn, the Bucs are kicking a big can down the road.) The Gravediggers are still digging! Is Jordan Whitehead next?
The #Bucs are re-signing standout CB Carlton Davis, giving him a 3-year deal worth $45M with $30M guaranteed. pic.twitter.com/AmgUjOJyFz
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 14, 2022
March 14th, 2022 at 5:24 pm
This is huge!! $15 million a year for him is a steal!
March 14th, 2022 at 5:24 pm
awesome joe awesome !
March 14th, 2022 at 5:25 pm
30 mil guaranteed
March 14th, 2022 at 5:26 pm
start printing up those gravedigger shirts again
March 14th, 2022 at 5:26 pm
Awesome!!! I wonder how much more we can afford. Go cap man!!!
March 14th, 2022 at 5:27 pm
Just 24 hours ago, I was feeling not so confident about this year. This is just pure craziness! But dammit, we buc fans deserve this!!!
March 14th, 2022 at 5:27 pm
Good deal for both sides for sure.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:28 pm
Good deal. Bucs will have a bargain in this dude next year and going forward
March 14th, 2022 at 5:29 pm
Surprised…hope this doesn’t impact Whitehead
March 14th, 2022 at 5:30 pm
Woo!! A team friendly deal too!!! Seriously, this week’s news have been a Godsend of happiness!! Woo!! Goooo Bucs!!!! They’re going to kick some serious ass this fall!!! Definitely happy that we didn’t have to give up the farm for Watson, something that I do hope that Carolina or The Sucky Aints do- I so want our defense to pummel that dude’s ass back to the Stone Age…
March 14th, 2022 at 5:30 pm
I just wonder when they’re gonna address that defensive line. Also they need to resign gronk.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:31 pm
Excellent, just stay healthy.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:33 pm
Great sign!!!! So happy
March 14th, 2022 at 5:34 pm
Now get Whitehead and I’m good! If we can slide La’ael Collins onto our offensive line too….OMG I’m going to be stoked!!! Fortify the trenches OG, Dline in Rds 1 & 2 and the Bucs are going to be a problem. If Brady can make Jaelon Darden or Cyril Grayson a priority to build chemistry with, we will have our revenge!! And we have to develop Trask. Make him stay under Brady….sleep outside his bedroom with him and Giselle, idc just do everything possible to make him see his life as Brady sees his so we don’t feel like this ever again….at least not the next decade.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:35 pm
Jordan has turned into one of the best safeties in the game. I prioritized him over CD but we do have good safety depth.
Now cue the geniuses who are horrified CD is back, these Pasco Einsteins would likely prefer Myron Lewis and EJ Biggers.
Thankful that JL runs the operation and not these nut jobs.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:36 pm
Cool. I’m pleased. Good deal for Davis and a good deal for the Bucs.
I wasn’t expecting to have C. Davis back but I’m glad we can stop sweating the CB position… For Now.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:38 pm
Wow. Only 10 million per season guaranteed… This is huge. I thought for sure he was gone but I’ve been arguing how valuable he is. The defense is better and more flexible when he is on the field.
Fantastic!!
March 14th, 2022 at 5:40 pm
So, what contracts are being restructured or who is getting cut between now and Monday?
March 14th, 2022 at 5:40 pm
Am I missing something? Wasn’t this secondary horrible? Bringing the same guys ba k doesn’t fix the problem.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:40 pm
Wednesday
March 14th, 2022 at 5:40 pm
I was sure they’ll sign Whitehead, now I’m not sure sure. Whitehead is fantastic but he’s more of a versatile run stuffer. Edwards is better in coverage but hopefully it won’t matter and they’ll have both along with Winfield
March 14th, 2022 at 5:42 pm
This cant be. Brady aint good He was a mistAke. His presence has no weight on others.
Im kidding. Dopes like oneil and lamarcus and orlbucfan are not impressed though
Hey good deAl for both. I thought it would be 17 plus for way more years
March 14th, 2022 at 5:43 pm
Called it!
March 14th, 2022 at 5:44 pm
List they should focus on the D-line. Get some players upfront!!!
March 14th, 2022 at 5:44 pm
My “big four” free agents were Godwin, Jenson, Davis and Whitehead – in that order.
So far we got 3 out of 4. We just need to get Whitehead signed.
Next are the tier two guys – Fournette, Gronk, Cappa, Suh, Stinnie, JPP and Gholston. We lost Cappa but signed Stinnie.
Gronk and Suh count for $12M of dead cap space so I really hope we get those two signed so we can kick that $12M down the road one more season.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:45 pm
Looks like we gonna play more zone. 🤦♂️
March 14th, 2022 at 5:46 pm
I don’t want suh back. I want young players upfront on that D-line.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:47 pm
Per PFT
“The Bucs currently are about $7 million over the 2022 salary cap, according to OverTheCap.com”
So they gained some cap space somehow.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:48 pm
i would think whitehead is all frothy to sign here now
March 14th, 2022 at 5:49 pm
Good price for a top cornerback
March 14th, 2022 at 5:50 pm
Agrees Guzman. I wouldn’t be mad to have Suh back if it was very team friendly.. but another year on him… Would rather go younger. Jpp imo should be gone. Respect everything he’d done for us, but imo his body is callng it quits… He’s a warrior but all his major injuries over the years adding up
March 14th, 2022 at 5:53 pm
Coburn go after Akiem Hicks on the cheap.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:54 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai they’re doing restructures or extensions behind close doors
March 14th, 2022 at 5:54 pm
I’m nearly as surprised that Davis is back as I was that Brady came back. Thought for sure he’d be gone. Good signing and quite a good deal too for both parties. All aboard for Whitehead hopefully.
March 14th, 2022 at 5:54 pm
Who cares Kick that can ALL THE WAY TO THE SB
Hell Yeah!!!
March 14th, 2022 at 5:55 pm
The problem with this secondary is inconsistency. We need to get better upfront. The scheme as well. Are we gonna make average QBs look great again?
March 14th, 2022 at 5:55 pm
Huge piece of thinking about a CB necessity in the first or second round
March 14th, 2022 at 5:57 pm
Chandler Jones please
March 14th, 2022 at 5:59 pm
omg i’m hearing rumors of saquan barkley to the bucs
March 14th, 2022 at 5:59 pm
Dan … ‘This is huge!! $15 million a year for him is a steal!’
Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one Dan. Davis’ agent knows what the market will bear. Spotrac had him listed with at almost $20 mil Market Value, but I seriously doubt he was gonna get anywhere close to that. There are tons of UFA CBs available right now, and lots coming out in the draft. Personally I’d rather roll the dice there than roll the dice on our DLine. It all starts in the trenches.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:00 pm
Love it. He is a very underrated player. Luckily underrated just by the fans and not to F.O.
I did suggest P. Peterson yesterday but he is beyond his prime. You might not be getting much there. Some fans thinking replace him at #27, all i can say is hahahaha. Thats just not the position you expect a rookie to light it up.
Solid move.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:00 pm
yes to chan jones…maybe even seattle’s penny & wagner
March 14th, 2022 at 6:01 pm
Focus on the trenches with one of the first two picks.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:02 pm
I rather resign fournette than go after Barkley.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:03 pm
Joe Buc knows Jack Sh!t
March 14th, 2022 at 6:06 pm
@Defense:
forget sportscrock estimates…
that was without brady…with brady all the potential salaries can be knocked down a notch so to come back and play with the goat…
think about it…
carlton was probably looking at 5 years 90-100 mil elsewhere…
and once brady returned he figured go shorter, stay with the bucs, with still time to fetch one more big contract in a few years
March 14th, 2022 at 6:07 pm
Kick the sh** out of that can! You gotta swing for the fences while you got the goat. GO BUCS!!
March 14th, 2022 at 6:08 pm
Amazing. 24 hrs ago, the Bucs were a team without Brady, Jensen, and Davis. I mean, what a makeover! 24 hrs ago was a long, long time ago. LFG!!!!!
March 14th, 2022 at 6:08 pm
with 3 good years here, carlton will fetch 3 years 60 mil potentially in the future, as contracts will rise…by then top corners might be getting 30 mil per year…
and a small watered down stadium beer will be 20 beans
March 14th, 2022 at 6:10 pm
I thought the money could have been better spent elsewhere, but no complaints here. If Carlton can stay healthy, it’s a fair deal both ways considering the funny money that gets shelled out for cornerbacks nowadays.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:11 pm
Looks like Watson has rejected every team minus the panthers and saints. We could see watson in the division. Bucs better shore up that defense.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:11 pm
The Barkley talk is to get Lenny off his arse. Francisco, I don’t get the Suh hate, he was the best Bucs had last season. The front was weaker because JPP was useless.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:12 pm
the new america’s team ——-the bucs ——-and the glazers. of course…..have decided to remain the new america’s team…
and not just be a flash in the pan and a blip on the radar…
kudos to ownership…they invited tom to the uk and probably let him know “we got you tom, we are not going to kraft and belichik you, whatever you need, we got you”
March 14th, 2022 at 6:13 pm
KICK IT ALL DOWN THE ROAD!!!
I am down to suck again for a decade to get another Super Bowl with the GOAT
SEND IT LICHT!!!
March 14th, 2022 at 6:13 pm
List JPP wasn’t healthy. Try playing with a torn rotator cuff. When he was healthy in 2020 he played very well.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:14 pm
Listnfrmafar, It’s time to be a responsible adult and leave your parents house. Put on your big boy pants and GTFO!!!
March 14th, 2022 at 6:14 pm
If the saints get watson look out . Ughhh idk how they can afford Deshaun watson.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:16 pm
and now hopefully tom can get donny to convince ali to return…
i’m sure tom will talk to him, but they need donny to hopefully talk to him too…
losing both starting guards is actually a really big loss
March 14th, 2022 at 6:16 pm
@Defense Rules
I’m afraid the law of supply and demand would have pushed up Carlton Davis’ price to bidders. Outside of JC Jackson (who is not as good a coverage CB as CD), the current market is absolutely bare of quality corners. That makes $15 million an attractive number.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:21 pm
The way I see it you can safely bet Suh will be back. Correct if Im wrong but he currently counts as a hefty CAP hit because we pushed his last years salary. Whats that means you sign him this year and push his salary and he counts for very little added CAP for 2022. So its a no brainer to bring him back.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:22 pm
i’m shocked cappa bolted
March 14th, 2022 at 6:22 pm
Zion with our 1st pick please.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:25 pm
Watson to NO or Carolina….gonna need more d line.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:25 pm
BTW Gronk is in a similar situation as Suh salary wise. You can bring him back without absorbing much CAP hit. The long as you are willing to push his salary hit to next year.
The sane also applies for JPP but he is in a different scenario being that he basically went a entire season of subpar football. Not that I would bet against him coming back with fury because i wont. But I would be looking at all the options depending on his demands.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:32 pm
@ DR
I agree C. Davis has room for improvement but keep in mind he is only 25 and he probably still hasn’t hit his prime yet… Injuries are a slight concern but let’s hope he stays healthier than he did last season.
JC Jackson got $16.5 million per with $40M guaranteed.
I believe the deal for C. Davis was fair for both sides. Plus only a three year deal with $30M guaranteed – if it doesn’t go well it won’t be that catastrophic.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:34 pm
Passing through @ seriously JC Jackson not as good as Davis? Go look at the stats, not even close.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:36 pm
i like raheem mostert
March 14th, 2022 at 6:38 pm
DUMB.
One of the worst signings in team history.
Our entire secondary has sucked even when healthy.. Bringing back the same suckage means more suckage.
I am baffled as to how other Bucs fans don’t see how overrated Davis is and how bad Dean is SMB really are.
THE BLINDNESS IS REAL.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:39 pm
THE BEST PART OF THIS …
The Saints and Panthers are bidding up Watson. The “winner” will get Watson by depleting themselves of current talent and multiple high picks.
(Personally, I hope it’s Carolina)
Meanwhile, the Bucs can reload all their role players in this year’s draft and acquire a QB next year with an already stocked team of young talent.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:39 pm
bradybucs i was hoping for gilmore. Idk. They better get some players upfront.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:46 pm
jackson is more of a gifted playmaker…
davis is simply very fundamentally sound – and will only get better in that area as he enters his prime
March 14th, 2022 at 6:51 pm
@Listnfrmafar
I actually watch the games. JC Jackson is superior in terms of INTs, but he’s inferior in terms of being a coverage CB.
Stats can be very misleading when it comes to DBs. INTs can come at the expense of coverage as the DB plays the ball and not the receiver. Further, passes defended can understate the ability of a CB to cover his assignments. Smart QBs go after the weakest link, meaning that they throw more at the poor coverage DBs.
March 14th, 2022 at 6:53 pm
@bradybucs
Have never read such a delusional comment here my entire dog life.
What’s your alternative, big fella?
Or is ankle biting your gift?
March 14th, 2022 at 6:59 pm
Man i hood watson ends up in carolina. I still don’t know how on earth the saints can afford a guy like watson. Are they cheating the cap?
March 14th, 2022 at 7:07 pm
Cappa you traitor! Way to go Carlton! Wise choice.
March 14th, 2022 at 7:12 pm
This was the most important signing IMO.
Bowles D doesn’t work without good corner play and this would have been a huge hole and you can’t count on rookie corners the way you can other positions like rookie OL for example.
Let’s go !!!!
March 14th, 2022 at 7:12 pm
Brady Bucs.
If you think the Bucs defense is bad now, I introduce you to 2014-2019
March 14th, 2022 at 7:14 pm
Francisco … ‘I still don’t know how on earth the saints can afford a guy like watson. Are they cheating the cap?’
LMAO Francisco. Saints & Panthers (and Falcons) are probably asking EXACTLY the same thing about us with the Brady, Godwin, Davis & Jensen signings. To date; more to come soon enough I’m sure.
March 14th, 2022 at 7:17 pm
Carlton Davis: I’m going to go get paid.
TB12: Stay home, take some cash, win another ring.
Carlton Davis: I ain’t pissin’ him off.
March 14th, 2022 at 7:18 pm
Defense Rules naw the saints where over 70 million the cap. They need more than 40 million to clear to sign watson. How is this possible?
March 14th, 2022 at 7:19 pm
How is this possible?
March 14th, 2022 at 7:20 pm
NOT A FAN and could of had JC Jackson who’s way better for the same price granted he signed a 5 year and not 3 like CD24.. The GraveDiggers needed a Tom Brady like leader for those young guys and instead got an injured, blown coverages, above average corner for $15 million a year including 2.5 in bonuses he won’t reach because he’s injury prone .. Go Bucs, but not a fan of this signing
March 14th, 2022 at 7:29 pm
Marine Buc … I honestly don’t have a thing against Davis, except that he gets burned too often. And yes, more than Dean and about the same as SMB.
o Davis has given up 20 TDs in 3194 def snaps (1 TD every 160 def snaps over his 4 years).
o Dean has given up 6 TDs in 1763 def snaps (1 TD every 294 def snaps over his 3 years).
o SMB has given up 13 TDs in 2029 def snaps (1 TD every 156 def snaps over his 3 years).
And yet, so many JBFers consider Carlton to be our shutdown corner. My hope now is that Davis stays healthy & has improved to the point where he really can be our primary shutdown corner.
March 14th, 2022 at 7:31 pm
tom is still planning to go down to the little dock by the bay and find big ali sitting there with his little banjo…
tom is gonna scheme on ali 🙂
#UnretireMarpet
March 14th, 2022 at 7:33 pm
Gravediggers 😂😂😂🤣 they had a nice stretch in Super Bowl run.
That don’t understand zone concepts, or they lack discipline as unit.
He’s a good corner. This gravediggers stuff 😏
March 14th, 2022 at 7:40 pm
@Sh!tlist
You said that Brady had a problem with BA’s coaching style and that’s why he retired.
You insulted BA as a coach numerous times on this website.
Some Bucs fans like me after hearing this from you and multiple other media sources believed it.
Care to comment?
I loved John Lynch when he played for my beloved Bucs. I loved his violent nature of play. One of my favorites of all time.
My heart belongs to the Bucs. My bachelor party was at a Bucs game over 20 some odd years ago to my still beautiful bride.
I could never imagine being a Two Faced Lying Cheating Fan and following, watching and rooting for the Broncos when Lynch left the Bucs to play for them.
Can you please tell us Bucs fans on the awesome Joe Bucs Fan @ Sh!tlist what it’s like to be a Two Faced Lying Cheating Fan?
March 14th, 2022 at 7:42 pm
I still have nightmares with this pass defense. Is it gonna get any better ? Is it scheme with Bowles?
March 14th, 2022 at 7:45 pm
Listnfrmafar Says:
March 14th, 2022 at 5:40 pm
Am I missing something? Wasn’t this secondary horrible? Bringing the same guys ba k doesn’t fix the problem.
^^^^^^^^
Yes, you’re missing a lot of things, common sense being in the top 10.
March 14th, 2022 at 7:46 pm
DEFENSE RULES,
HOW DARE YOU!!!
How dare you use statistics that prove how overrated Davis really is.
Other Bucs fans like “Todd” and others will be very upset with you using data to crush their narratives that Davis is somehow good.
I’ve been saying it for 2 years… Davis, SMB, and Dean are NOT great NFL players. Far from it. The “hype” around these guys has been the most ridiculous thing in the Bucs Franchise History.
The whole “Gravediggers” thing is such a JOKE. No one wants to admit that the year we won the Super Bowl the Packers O-Line had some major injuries and so did the Chiefs O-Line. Injuries are certainly just part of the game, but those OL injuries helped our Pass Rush to get a lot of pressure (more than usual) which helped mask our weak secondary that rarely produces “coverage sacks” and is often burned even on 3rd and long.
The Bucs better hope they can acquire or draft another corner this year that can step right in and contribute or there’s NO WAY we have a chance at another Super Bowl barring some sort of miracle drafting of a pass rushers that turns out to be one of the best in the league.
March 14th, 2022 at 7:48 pm
We’re so gonna regret paying him
March 14th, 2022 at 7:57 pm
When Davis came out of college many said he was press coverage corner yet how much zone did the bucs play? Seems like they’re in zone most of the time.
March 14th, 2022 at 8:03 pm
BradyBucs … Don’t go too far off the deep end with the stats thingie. I just happen to be a ‘bottom line’ type person. POINTS ALLOWED is the bottom line for any defense IMO (or any defensive player), as well as availability (I think that’s why I like Ndamukong Suh so much, and yes, why I appreciate Donovan Smith as much as I do).
Carlton is very good in coverage by-and-large, he just gets burnt periodically. LOTS of other CBs do also BTW. Plus 80% availability doesn’t thrill me, because that means 20% of the time our very expensive starter is riding the bench while a very inexpensive backup is playing in his place.
I do agree with your last para hoping that we ‘can acquire or draft another corner this year who can step right in and contribute’. That burned us in the ass last season big-time, and that was very short-sighted IMO.
March 14th, 2022 at 8:09 pm
Unlike several folks, CD24 was a big deal for me. The Brady news, then Jensen, now CD24. The only thing that would have have finished the joy off would be Marpet unretiring. Tommy has some time to work on him. If I’ve fallen asleep and all of this is a dream, DO NOT WAKE ME UP
March 14th, 2022 at 8:11 pm
Dying to know what I said to send me to moder. jail in my last post. You’ll see it eventually
March 14th, 2022 at 8:17 pm
We need a splash FA , C. Jones , v. Miller or S. Barkley something to put is over the top.
March 14th, 2022 at 8:21 pm
SWEEEETT!! LFG !!
March 14th, 2022 at 8:21 pm
Is gronk coming back?
March 14th, 2022 at 8:22 pm
Welcome back Carlton!
March 14th, 2022 at 8:23 pm
@ DR
Dam you with your stinking facts, stats and analysis!!!
LOL.
I don’t think SMB or Dean have been matched up against the #1 receiver as much as CD – so some of the stats might be a little slanted…
Like I said – still room for improvement. But the price fits the player – IMO.
March 14th, 2022 at 8:38 pm
Marine Buc … Agree totally that Carlton draws the #1 receiver much more often than SMB or Dean. So yes, apples-oranges comparison to a degree. I keep thinking that I’m just old-fashioned when it comes to what you pay folks. Certain positions (QB, WR, LT, CB) seem to be getting the lion’s share of salary CAP dollars on every team. QB I can see. The others? I struggle rationalizing how a CB is any more important than a MLB or DT or even a Safety. But hey, I’ll get over it.
March 14th, 2022 at 8:43 pm
I am super pleased I was wrong on Carlton. I thought he would be a solid backup in the league. He is by far our best corner and we really really needed him back. Carlton puts in the work! He studies film! He prepares and plays the game the right way at least I’m my drunken opinion. I think his best years are ahead and he’s going to shine!! Go Bucs!!!!
March 14th, 2022 at 8:49 pm
Now do Whitehead and get JuJu
March 14th, 2022 at 8:50 pm
@ DR
Because it is a pass dominated league.
#1 QB
#2 WR1
#3 CB1
#4 Pass Rush 1
#5 Blind side tackle
etc…
Trust me – I’m not the biggest C. Davis fan. But after JC Jackson and Gilmore there isn’t anyone better on the FA market – JC is gone and Gilmore is past his prime and will probably still get @ $13-$14M per.
I would rather roll the dice with CD – plus we get a bonus. He has been in this system for four seasons. Continuity is important IMO…
March 14th, 2022 at 8:54 pm
Meh.. I could take him or leave him. Too many receivers have run right by him.
TB12 being back is incredible but we still have the same Defensive liabilities. As we saw last year.. in the playoffs you need a D that is at least serviceable, and not the keystone cops on the biggest play of the game.
March 14th, 2022 at 8:57 pm
Defense Rules if you want to look up stats on Davis one you have to look at is the yardages top elite WRs put up against him. He has done one hell of a job taking away great WR and why he is worth every penny.
If we want to be a Championship team your going to have to play great WRs to get there. You better have a way to stop them. Bring back one player now that piece of the puzzle solved.
Remember Julio Jones(1 of many examples) and what he used to do to us before Carlton? Thats why the Bucs brought him back.
March 14th, 2022 at 9:06 pm
@ DR
Plus – this signing will allow us to focus on other positions of need besides CB.
Like WR, RB, DL, TE, OG – Best player available.
March 14th, 2022 at 9:12 pm
Sign Akiem Hicks on the cheap. He was injured last year. To replace Suh.
March 14th, 2022 at 9:14 pm
@ D Rules. You will get over it and like it. Haha. You are an intelligent football fan that definitely knows his stuff which is why I’m a little surprised to hear you hating on the CB position. I’ll tell you this and this is just my humble opinion. I think it’s the 2nd most valuable and 2nd most important position on the entire football field. I value it highly which is why CD signing is really big to me. CD doesn’t get burned all that often. He’s far better than most people realize. I’m sofa king pumped.
March 14th, 2022 at 9:14 pm
I agree with DefenseRules. Davis is not a shutdown cornerback. He had flashes but gave up a lot of plays at critical moments, including THE moments that we all know about and will see over and over, forever.
Bringing back THESE same guys is not good.
That is why I am not thrilled with Davis coming back. There was a chance to upgrade a bad secondary by letting Davis go and replacing him with better. JC Jackson, Steph Gilmore, Patrick Petersen, etc. etc.
I think they still need to go after secondary help, and pass rush. Badly.
March 14th, 2022 at 9:26 pm
This team still won’t be able to stop the Rams & Packers in the NFC. They probably can’t stop the Cowboys offense either – if they played multiple times we’d lose more than we’d win and it’s all because our Defense is WEAK.
SO BUCKLE UP…
PREPARE YOURSELF…
MORE BACK-BREAKER LOSSES ON THE WAY. When we need ‘stops’ our Defense will again not be able to to come up with them.
March 14th, 2022 at 9:29 pm
BradyBucs the packers? Just stop it man. The packers suck. Rams won’t be the same team they where last year. We shall see. You seem to forget that the bucs were missing their left tackle in that game. The OL wasn’t good in that game.
March 14th, 2022 at 9:30 pm
Correction they where missing their right tackle.
March 14th, 2022 at 9:31 pm
Missing godwin as well.
March 14th, 2022 at 9:36 pm
Charvarius Ward. Go get him. And/or Steph Gilmore.
March 14th, 2022 at 9:38 pm
Steele i got a better option haden on the cheap.
March 14th, 2022 at 10:08 pm
@BradyBuc
Robert Woods is a 30 year old coming off an ACL injury in Week 11 playing a position that is one of the most demanding on the ACL.
OBJ just tore the same ACL for a second time in February and just had surgery on it in late February. Because OBJ plays in one of the most demanding positions on the ACL, coupled with the fact that he’s a repeat injury, placing him in an extremely high risk category classification by his physicians, making it very likely that OBJ doesn’t play a down for anybody this season as he’s a FA.
That leaves the Rams with Cupp and Jefferson.
The Rams are also $20 million over the cap with 17 free agents to sign according to overthecap.
The Rams only have a 3rd, a 5th and two 7th Round picks in this years draft.
The Rams are in no position to add any offensive players that would scare a defense. Heck, they don’t have the money to pay any of their draft picks right now.
March 14th, 2022 at 10:27 pm
Joe Haden. Also a great option.
March 14th, 2022 at 10:32 pm
Here we go again. The know it all bunch thinking they know more than Super Bowl winning coaching and management. Beautiful.
News flash – every pass defense gets torched in the new NFL.
Want bad pass defense? See Raheem Morris ==> Greg Schiano ==> Lovie Smith ==> Mike Smith.
That was Vomitous. Historically awful.
You complainers ain’t seen bad pass defense.
But keep pretending you know more than Licht, Arians, Bowles. And Brady.
Yeah, you guys should all get seats in One Buc Place. They could really use your insights.
March 14th, 2022 at 10:50 pm
Last season Bucs finished 3rd ranked in rushing defense and 21 in passing defense.
The secondary had injuries and miscues all year. But the defensive front (while handling the run well) failed to generate a whole lot of pressure. The Bucs had only 23 sacks, LAST in the NFL with 680 pass attempts against the defense (most in the NFL). Considering how much money we have in the front 7, and how much we were blitzing, that’s totally unacceptable.
March 14th, 2022 at 11:04 pm
steele Says:
March 14th, 2022 at 9:14 pm
… replacing him with better… Patrick Petersen, etc. etc.
Did not watch Peterson much these last few years but what I saw was a guy who was not better special anymore. He is just a 32 year old cornerback right now and not a guy that any team should be looking to make a starting cornerback.
By the way, the Athletic had Davis as their 2nd rated CB and Peterson as their 10th rated CB. NFL.com had Davis as their 4th top player this year as a free agent out of their top 101. Peterson was their 75th ranked player.
If you are talking Gilmore and Peterson of 5 years ago, I am with you. They were better players. I just care about the next few seasons.
March 14th, 2022 at 11:05 pm
I like Haden too but I don’t know about on the cheap. Expect him to supplement also. He’s not better than Carlton. He’s still very good though. What is being missed here is that Dean and SMB are getting better. Combined with CD, corner is not a priority. Haden isn’t as cheap as you think. His contract with the Steelers was about 12 plus a year. That isn’t dirt cheap. Especially if some of you are crying about 15 for Carlton in his prime.
March 14th, 2022 at 11:34 pm
Suh is coming back.
March 14th, 2022 at 11:40 pm
Injuries cost us big in the secondary last season.
While our secondary needs improvement, it is far better than we have have in the past decade.
March 15th, 2022 at 6:24 am
Bonzai … ‘Injuries cost us big in the secondary last season. While our secondary needs improvement, it is far better than we have have in the past decade.’
Agree totally with the first Bonzai, and THAT concerns me. Davis missed 7 games (on IR plus was questionable for 2 more with ankle issues). Dean missed 2 games (knee & illness, plus was questionable for 5 more multiple issues, including concussion). SMB missed 8 games (elbow, plus was questionable for 2 more). Sherman got into 5 games while here, but was hurt most of his time here.
So guess who turned out to be our most available corner: yup, Ross Cockrell. Only CB to get into all 17 games. Mr Reliability. Followed by Dee Delaney who gave us 15 games at CB, but only got to start 2. Even Pierre Desir gave us 12 games & didn’t miss any (wasn’t with us the whole season). Those latter 3 CBs ended up STARTING 8 games on the outside. Not good IMO that for half our games on the season we couldn’t put 2 of our 3 primary CBs out on the field to START the game, much less finish the games.
And BTW, comparing last season’s Secondary to what we fielded in the Decade of Doom was a low blow. You hurt their feelings.
March 15th, 2022 at 8:02 am
Passing thru@ JC Jackson was second to Diggs with ints this year. Don’t you get ints if you’re doing your job in coverage? Jackson is a far better tackler. I think he signed a long term deal with Chargers which broke down to $16.5mm/yr. Wasted opportunity.
March 15th, 2022 at 8:11 am
I remember when we all used to say $16 million for Darelle Revis was overpaid.
March 15th, 2022 at 8:22 am
@Defense Rules
JPP’s play suffered last year.
Davis’ play suffered last year.
Because of that our defense suffered.
When a person is hurt, such as JPP and Davis’ were last year, would you have been okay with them shutting down their play last year, getting surgery for JPP and allowing for Davis’ torn hamstring to completely heal?
Your CB’s are your best athletes as they have to do everything a WR does, except doing it going backwards.
Backpedaling on a torn hamstring is not a recipe for success against talented WR’s.
Toradol helps, but it creates a bigger problem later.
I guarantee you that Davis’ agent didn’t want him playing on a torn hamstring during a contract year.
Davis and JPP were warriors for us last year.
Having been there and done that, I appreciate their heart, fight and love for their teammates.
Davis, JPP, the Bucs coaches and players knew that Davis’ and JPP’s play while injured was still better than their healthy backups play.
March 15th, 2022 at 8:42 am
For those comparing JC Jackson with Davis.
JC Jackson picked off Rookie QB Zach Wilson 3 times this past season in the Pats 2 games against the Jets.
JC Jackson picked off Sam Darnold 2 times this past season in the Pats game against the Panthers.
JC Jackson picked off Matt Ryan 1 time this past season in the Pats game against the Falcons.
JC Jackson picked off Ryan Tanehill 1 time this past season in the Pats game against the Titans.
JC Jackson picked off Rookie QB Trevor Lawrence 1 time this past season in the Pats game against the Jags.
Finally, the greatest defensive mind to ever coach football in my opinion in Bill Bellicheck didn’t think a young CB such as JC Jackson coming off his rookie contract and having a great statistical season the past two years was worth resigning.
Bellicheck is also the GM and the Pats have about the same cap space as the Chargers per overthecap.
Rookie QB contracts such as Herbert and Jones helps a team.
March 15th, 2022 at 10:23 am
Um…..Jerry…..better get some better eyesight correction, pal.
Buccaneers had 47 sacks. They only gave up 23. So you need to dial back your criticism of the Bucs pass rush. Instead of being last, they were near the top.
March 15th, 2022 at 12:11 pm
@Listnfrmafar
No, that isn’t necessarily true. I don’t know how much you’ve played this game, but I’ll use a basketball analog because it might help.
Some centers and power forwards are insanely great at rebounding, but that sometimes comes at a cost. If a player is playing for the rebound, he may not be playing to guard the player. Since you’re from Boston, think of Fortson back a few years with the Celtics. Undersized but strong, he stank at guarding players but was great at positioning himself for the rebound and then boxing out after the shot. Too many fans thought he was a great defensive player because of the rebounds, but it was in fact the opposite. He was a below-average defender, at best.
It’s also that way with blocked shots. If you overplay to block, you can take yourself out of rebounding position. Some players can do both, but many pivot players who are are good shot blockers never put up good rebound numbers.
And that brings us back to football. If a DB overplays the interception, he might be leaving himself vulnerable to a completed pass. And there are many DBs who rarely make interceptions are playing strictly coverage and never playing the ball. It isn’t just bad hands, it’s from the DB playing the player and not the ball. Think Jack Tatum, he’d kill guys by timing a devastating hit the instant the ball seemingly touched the receivers fingers (poor Darryl Stingley).
Stats can be very misleading. The advances made in sports analytics attempt to isolate these things, and it seems like a great application for AI, but to my knowledge, nothing has been captured that well yet in either sport. One of my friends attended the MIT conference for several years running and shared some of the goodies. If a team does find the right software, I’m sure they wouldn’t publish it anyway, hence the limitations of “to my knowledge”.
March 15th, 2022 at 12:58 pm
Passing thru, I played the game plenty. Go back to Defense Rules stats and Davis I’d the worst DB on the Bucs. Jackson at $16.5mm us far more of a steal than Davis. DumbBelle, Belichick is notorious for under paying every player. There were two DB’s that I can remember him paying, Revis and Gilmore and he wouldn’t pay Gilmore more than $14MM. I have had the pleasure of watching Davis and JC Jackson, Davis makes the occasional good play but Jackson is far more consistent and a far better tackler. Other than Winfield, the poster boy for perfect tackling technique, Bucs DB’s are horrible at tackling and coverage for that matter.
March 15th, 2022 at 2:04 pm
@TwoFaceFanSh!tlist
Hey everybody, @Sh!tlist knows football better than Bellicheck.
Just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber, you go out and prove me wrong.
Bill Bellichick has written and talked about his defensive philosophy numerous times.
He basis it on Sun Tzu’s philosophy of preparation and attack.
He believes in taking away the middle of the field. He doesn’t put that much emphasis on a CB position in his defense.
He views a CB’s production in his defense as a byproduct of the attack that he brings to the center of the other team’s offense.
Because of that, Bellichik views the CB position as a lesser piece on his chess board.
Also, picking of Darnold, Wilson, Lawrence like CJ Jackson did for 75% of his interceptions last year isn’t the greatest thing ever.
I know you hate watching YouTube @Sh!tlist, so pick up O’Connor’s biography on Bellichick. It’s awesome.
March 15th, 2022 at 2:09 pm
@TwoFaceFanSh!tlist
You’re a joke @Sh!tlist
Aaron Jones and his ribs that were broken by Whitehead’s tackle in the 2020 NFC Championship Game that resulted in a fumble disagree with you.
Whitehead is a Buc’s DB who is feared and respected across the NFL.