Recent Bucs History Of Dudes Getting Run
January 3rd, 2022
Not that rare.
Joe tried to think of guys, especially Bucs, who have been run off and sent to the locker room by a head coach during a game. You know, like what happened yesterday in SopranosLand.
There aren’t many but it seems the common denominator is these guys are headcases.
Yes, we all know that to a degree, former Bucs receiver furniture-tossing, bicycle-winging, tantrum-throwing, quitter Antonio Brown wasn’t playing with a full deck. Who knew he was playing with so many cards missing? Enough to go mental yesterday, throwing gloves and his undershirt in the crowd, doing topless jumping jacks in the end zone while the game was in progress?
It wasn’t long ago that then-Bucs coach Dirk Koetter ran off notorious headcase tight end Austin Seferian-Jackwagon. Joe remembered asking around and no one in league circles had ever heard of a player getting run from an underwear football practice like ASJ did.
ASJ last played for the Jags in 2018 where he started five games. ASJ, in his short career, had a long list of weird happenings both on and off the field (anyone remember his Captain Morgan stunt?).
Then there was the time in 2011 when Raheem Morris, in the throes of a 10-game losing streak that ended his head coaching days, ran off defensive tackle Brian Price and told him to hit the showers after he got a personal foul.
(Price’s agent, outraged at Morris’ move, lashed out at the coach singling out his client claiming Morris was just frustrated with all the losing and overreacted.)
Price, who had a rare injury his rookie season that basically killed his career, later had a wild incident in a Ypsilanti, Mich. auto parts store where he ran through a glass door. Price told local authorities he had no idea what happened and Price’s wife claimed her husband had CTE.
In 2008, then-49ers coach Mike Singletary chased talented tight end Vernon Davis into the locker room, which led to an epic postgame rant. Years later, Davis, who sometimes was seen crying on the sidelines, said he had mental obstacles to overcome. And he did, well enough to develop into a very good player.
So the Bucs do have a recent history of guys getting tossed out of a game or practice by a coach. And it seems the root cause has to do with what is going on between the ears of the player.
January 3rd, 2022 at 5:20 am
That’s an awful lot to tell everyone what we already know, the dude has serious mental health issues. CTE is a very real thing and that hit in the Bengals game has clearly changed his life for the worst since then.
January 3rd, 2022 at 5:37 am
Some say since the Burfict hit he has never been the same.
sad.
January 3rd, 2022 at 5:43 am
I hope Antonio Brown gets the help he needs.
January 3rd, 2022 at 5:48 am
That’s the first I’ve heard of Brian Price running through a glass door. I thought you meant he ran through it with his car, not HE ran through it. Sad, for sure.
January 3rd, 2022 at 6:23 am
Boy, I tell you. After all his shenanigans, after all his chances, we’re supposed to feel empathy for this clown?! There have been so many players come and go, and of those a FRACTION of a percentage act like this guy.
Sorry, I’m not buying it.
January 3rd, 2022 at 6:26 am
AB did what his coach told him to do, GET OUT. Let’s hold judgement until AB tells us why he refused to go back in the game. Yes he could have handled things differently but Aries could have as well. These are grown men Aries not kids u can talk to any way u want to and get away with it. Arie’s has a tendency to throw players under the bus to much for my taste.
January 3rd, 2022 at 6:31 am
Don’t forget about Keyshawn getting run by Gruden mid-season the year after the Bucs won the Super Bowl.
January 3rd, 2022 at 6:50 am
As he stomped away from the sidelines, he stepped on the field of play. That would have gotten us a penalty were they not in a stoppage
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:02 am
Obvious case of CTE , perhaps all players that have more than one concussion should be thoroughly examined by all means necessary to determine if there is evidence of CTE , and if there is , no more football and NFL foots the bill for all medical needs moving forward.
Bucs will be more galvanized as a team moving forward and Grayson is ready to emerge and will stretch the field with his speed. Perriman is rock solid and always seems to make a huge play at the end of games when we need it most. Gronk is Gronk , and Evans is HOF’er in waiting. We also have the GOAT at QB-WATCH OUT NFC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:14 am
And while all that A.B. sh$t was going on Brady calmly erases 18 points for a come from behind victory making Cyril Grayson look like the next A.B.. It’s unfurtunate that’s not the real story, Tom Brady’s MVP performance.
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:16 am
Bring back AB
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:24 am
Can Brady surpass Winston as our season passing leader? If so, it will have an asterisk ** 17 games
Check yo sheets
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:27 am
Was the act selfish? Who knows! I feel like they was playing with his bread. The same thing they did to Ronald Jones last year to stop him from getting 1k rushing yds…you look at browns bonuses he was shy from reaching he probably was asked to go in to block and told them to f off…the Arians drug his big stick around.
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:30 am
@ BucsFanSince1976, the only problem with that is CTE can only be detected in the brain in an autopsy. thats why players are donating their brains to science. the whole thing is sad. AB has all the talent but brain injuries for the most part cant be fixed.
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:37 am
@ mg, i couldnt agree more! that hit was one f the most violent hits ive seen in the NFL. people say the league is softer than it was in the 70’s 80’s & 90’s. while i agree with that to an extent, players are bigger, faster, and stronger than they were then with less padding. so for the league to cut back on the helmet to helmet hit is a good thing. AB being the case.
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:38 am
STL
I will respectfully disagree , because there are 700 recognized CTE affected recipients of the 1 Billion $$ settlement that the league entered into in 2018. It may require an exhaustive battery of physiological and psychological testing to make a determination , but it can be done , hence the settlement .
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:48 am
Cleanjameisjubblies aka cleanhouse
Great call. Man you cant get dem nutz out your head either…are you a Nole too?
Yes 33 tds and 30 ints with 5 fumbles lost and a sub .500 career winning record
Is better then
Back to back seasons with 40 tds and 12 ints (identical)…most winningest qb of all time and super bowl in first year and nfc south crown in second
Check yo shee(i)ts for brains you have. 2 + 2 = dumb as hell. Go back into hiding man. Nobody cares about you being a leader of the messiah nutsmuggler brigade
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:48 am
Just so sad that this craziness will keep us from another title shot.
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:51 am
@Bucsfan
I am not saying that Antonio Brown does not have CTE but your diagnosis that he clearly does is just not taking all the data into evidence.
Please look at the quotes from AB’s step-father.
He said that AB was always an off child and that he really was surprised that meltdowns did not occur earlier in the NFL. Said that AB always treated women badly and always did not understand consequences.
So whether he has CTE or not, his bad behavior started when he was a child.
His stepfather said. “I’m surprised that it took them this long to figure him out. Because he’s been this way since he’s been 12 years old.”
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:57 am
What about Me-shawn Johnson quitting on the team?
January 3rd, 2022 at 7:58 am
@Bucsfan. I also found a quote from one of his high school coaches. “Tony is a person who needs that guidance. There are some kids that have been in Tony’s situation who are doing fine. You see them every once in a while and they go about their business,” “But he needs that one person. He needs to have that individual in his life to say, ‘Tony you’re really hurting yourself right now.’”
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:02 am
Geno
Take a look at the 10 minute video on YouTube and the examples of AB’s behavior before and after the Burfect hit that knocked him out cold. Imagine sticking your head out of a car window with a football helmet on at 20MPH and your head hitting a telephone pole , and then reimagine that the telephone pole is going 20MPH in the opposite direction . which exponentially multiplies the force. AB has CTE.
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:06 am
@Bucsfan
After hearing all the talk about the Burfect hit yesterday, I already did.
You can certainly believe in CTE as I do.
You can certainly believe that CTE led to the only explanation for AB’s bad behavior.
But I do not.
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:14 am
The man clearly has problems above and beyond temper tantrums. What gets me are the so called fans on this site that jump ship and the hypocrisy I see from one game to another, including Joe. Last week AB was the second coming and back to save the day, he could do no wrong, same with Vaughn another zero to hero. You may not like my posts but at least I’m consistent, coaching staff is bad (proved it again yesterday). All we heard this week was BA has covid, BA needs surgery on his foot, blah,blah,blah, nothing about how they plan to beat the Jets in their house. With a offense this talented they should be running creative plays other offenses couldn’t phatham pulling off, instead Bucs do the opposite. Surprise Bucs fans that was your starting secondary yesterday. I won’t go there. The only other points I drive home are Evan’s overrated and Brady carries this team and its future on his back. Hypocrites I say hypocrites.
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:17 am
Eyes forward!
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:20 am
Oh almost forgot, same as last season the coaches job interviews were another distraction to the teams focus last week.
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:25 am
He was clearly being provoked by not letting him play…….and you can’t say their saving him for the playoffs when ME was in and every other no name WR.
that being said……he lost his $hit over it….you can’t walk out on your team. He lost my vote. Wish him well, but that is unacceptable.
Me thinks BA got what he wanted.
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:27 am
Are we blaming CTE for everything else too?! Because that’s what we’re saying here.
And I hear we’re blaming BA too?! You can’t be serious with that.
It’s called “ACCOUNTABILITY”. AB is accountable for his own actions. End of story.
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:34 am
Wasn’t the ASJ Captain Morgan incident while we were down about 30 points late?
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:35 am
If Arians kept his damn word from OCTOBER, AholeB would’ve already been gone, and the Bucs wouldn’t be dealing with this crap.
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:41 am
Has anybody considered the possibility that AB is simply an A-hole that doesn’t like being told what to do? Some people are just idiots. Blaming a hit to the head is just making an excuse imo. It’s a team sport, and some people are not team players. All of a sudden AB has millions of dollars in the bank, and rules shouldn’t apply to him. He’s pooped in the punch bowl, and has nobody to blame but himself. No excuses. No consideration for the team, or for Tom Brady. The guy is a waste.
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:42 am
Bucsfanman
In our country of the United States , if you are judged to be mentally ill by reason of mental defect , you are not responsible for a crime , even murder , but you are forced to get help. Unfortunately , right now no one can force AB to get the help he obviously needs.
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:42 am
AB has no one to blame but himself for not getting his bonus. Had he not been suspended…again, he’d have been back a week earlier and most likely would have gotten his bonus last week. And I really really doubt BA was sending him in to block just to save money when we were down 14 points. If he sent him in to block, he was a decoy, part of the game plan, not a cost saving move. Get real.
January 3rd, 2022 at 8:48 am
with all the advancements in brain scanning, pet scans and the like, it surprises me no diagnosis of CTE can be made until death. In my field we routinely order Pet scans which detect areas of the brain that ate damaged and causing behavioral issues, but that is primarily frontal lobe. Odd.
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:00 am
Joe thinks there is something to that. He has been a whack job ever since.
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:01 am
I can’t make a judgement call, because I wasn’t on the sidelines. Does AB have CTE? Who knows. I’m not a neurologist. I do think AB’s behavior is an example of where our society is now. Look at the videos Joe and others post. Riots and fights in airports, malls, drive thru fast food windows. It’s all about me, me, me!!! People grow up thinking they can do no wrong and it’s everybody else’s fault. It all has to do with the “everyone gets a participation trophy” mentality. We reap what we sow.
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:07 am
My understanding though is AB has been in counseling before. Did they declare him okay and that ended. Was on he antidepressents for his mood that they give mani depressives and people with anxiety disorders…and quit taking them? Was he showing other signs in the weeks leading up to it? Also, I would not be surprised if his COVID vax card goof and the dustup about that exacerbated what was already going inside his head. Picking at his face/hair while talking, denial of issues, pumping himself up, the extreme “highs” in emotions he shows, all could mean he’s gotten worse with whatever was already there.
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:23 am
Forget PET & CAT & MRI scans.. give him a GED and see if he can pass
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:29 am
1976- While I agree in principal, nobody was using this as an excuse for the v-card, domestic violence, etc.
When you look at the whole history, it appears less like a mental illness and more like him being a jack-wagon. If it were a “one off” he would most certainly deserve the benefit of the doubt. That’s not the case though.
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:42 am
Not the NFL, but in the WFL I played with a whackjob QB named Jimmy “King” Corcoran, the favorite player of a head coach (Ron Waller) that had just been fired for diddling the owner’s secretary in the team steam room after hours.
A new HC came in, HoFer Wille Wood, who in his first practice chewed Jimmy for not following the play as designed, and Corcoran just walked off the field.
Two days later he came back and apologized to the entire team, and was forever humble—for him. Which was not normal human humble.
“King” ended up in federal prison for some real estate scam, and died early.
Players walking off the field in training camp is not uncommon at all.
But for a guy with HoF credentials to do this? Incredible career and social suicide.
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:43 am
Sitting before the screen is hard to understand why player has an incident like that. Even a gentle man, Tom sometimes get mad with his coach Daniel at the Patriots. That is why Tom requests more sympathy for AB.
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:43 am
@Listnfrmafar: smh@”phatham”
I’ll be laughing about that one for quite a while.
Eric Blair would be appalled, but not surprised.
Language.
Truth.
Logic.
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:49 am
I may be in a minority, but I feel really badly for Brown. Not as a Buc, because that’s history. But as a person with a possible unhealed, undetected brain injury.
That concussion from the Burfict hit was not a garden-variety concussion.
I have a younger sister who at 8 years old crashed her bicycle going down a hill and crashed her skull on a granite curb. It was around 1963, with no MRI’s, Ultrasounds, or CT’s. She spent two weeks in the hospital and it took a month for light to not affect her. She has never been the same since, never held a job or graduated from school, and had a multitude of psychological issues that manifest in sometimes bizarre, unsocial behaviors throughout her life.
From a bad knock on the head.
It happens.
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:51 am
Joe – I seem to recall Keshawn Johnson having a sideline melt down with Gruden Keshawn was sent to the locker room, then he did not play the rest of the season but was not cut.. is my memory correct ?
January 3rd, 2022 at 9:58 am
AB acted the same way in college so stop with the cte talk !!
January 3rd, 2022 at 10:34 am
This can be a situation where both issues are true. AB has issues that predate a brain injury (which if what his attributed to his stepfather are true, show this, but his stepfather has his own issues which may call his truthfulness into question) and has seen an increase in his poor behavior since the hit by Burfict. I wound down my time in the Marine Corps working at Wounded Warrior and we had more than a few examples of Marines who had disciplinary issues prior to head injury that became more pronounced/dramatic following head injury. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to know at this point if its CTE, but there seems to be an elevated, although not new, level of poor behavior/decision making since the hit.
January 3rd, 2022 at 10:58 am
Cobra
Again agree. I went to youtube to see that Burfict hit. Burfict was one of the dirtiest players of his day. Yeah he clearly got him with his shoulder pad but AB was totally defenseless.
It almost scared me worse to see the neck whiplash that hard. I thought of what Ronnie Lott did to Darryl Stingley. I’m glad AB can walk after that hit.
But I’m with you…he deserves our sympathy…DIAGNOSIS and treatment…make sure whether the has CTE already or not.
I’m not for the proverbial “second chance”. Generally when people who are head cases get run second chances are actually worse for them. If somebody had stopped AB sooner perhaps he could have gotten significant treatment sooner.
Sadly let’s be honest Cobra. AB’s talent was more important to society than his health and you can even read it in the comments here.
January 3rd, 2022 at 12:57 pm
There’s no asterisk next to any season records. The NFL has gone from 12 to 14 to 16 and now 17 game seasons. OJ Simpson first ran for 2000 yards and he did it in a 14 game season. Nobody ever mentions that. Brady for MVP. That was a classic comeback and a classic throw and catch at the end. AND they did it without Brown on the field. GOBUCS!
January 4th, 2022 at 1:17 pm
I’m done with AB. I just don’t like the idea of us limping into the playoffs when there are a few teams out there hittin their stride like we did last year,