Bucs Beating Bucs — No, Really
November 1st, 2021
Defense didn’t get the job done.
Bucs Super Bowl-winning coach Bucco Bruce Arians coined the phrase early in the 2019 season, his first Tampa Bay campaign.
Arians used the phrase “Bucs beating Bucs” to describe how the team always seemed to shoot itself in the foot. A rash of penalties, a pick, a fumble, you name it. It was always something that started in-between the ears that led to losses.
That’s came true again yesterday when three Tom Brady turnovers — three Tom Brady turnovers!!!??? — led to 16 points in a 36-27 loss to the slimy Saints.
In his analysis of Sunday’s games, Pro Football Hall of Fame voter Clark Judge of SI.com can see what we’ve seen — and last saw with regularity in 2019.
Tom Brady separates Tampa Bay from the field. But so do defense and penalties. Not enough of one and too many of the other.
Joe certainly hopes Joe never to see the Bucs defense get embarrassed like they did against a fourth-string neverbeen from Northwestern yesterday.
Just a shameful, shameful effort by the defense all around.
A week after the Bucs had forced the Bears into six turnovers, the Bucs couldn’t have found a way to get one (that counted)?
#Sad
November 1st, 2021 at 10:12 am
Brady looked off from the beginning of the game IMO
November 1st, 2021 at 10:14 am
TB was off a bit………dang I miss AB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 1st, 2021 at 10:16 am
Halloween in New Orleans? Voodoo…..not to mention the Bucs have lost how many straight regular season games to the Saints?
November 1st, 2021 at 10:16 am
All I can say is that I almost feel sorry for the WTF………we will have 2 weeks to work up a hunger for a decisive victory…..
If Jameis is out for any extended period Simien won’t be able to beat some of the teams on their schedule…..ATL, Titans, Bills, Cowboys..
November 1st, 2021 at 10:19 am
JW will be back soon enough. looked like he sprained his ankle a bit.
November 1st, 2021 at 10:20 am
The 2 point conversion play call was a joke & Mike Evans made ZERO attempt to block his man. It’s time to trade him before the deadline
November 1st, 2021 at 10:20 am
Joe- you keep going off on the defense. We haven’t played anyone with an offensive line since the rams or an offense for that matter. Bowles has done a great job of hiding our secondary until we run into a real offensive line. For crying out loud, Jacoby Brissett passed on us like we didn’t exist. There is no secondary. Bowles has been pulling out of his blitz packages recently to supplement the secondary. With NO having that offensive line, our secondary is going to be exposed or they are going to run for 300 yards. Pick your poison.
November 1st, 2021 at 10:21 am
@ Pete…….yeah, everyone hate me for busting on ME. He missed the crucial pass at the end of the game as well. then had the dumb look on his face….like what happened. Dude can not be counted on for routes.
November 1st, 2021 at 10:23 am
when is devin white going to let himself out of his stable… he is just a guy right now. the DL has been good enough just not getting home enough
November 1st, 2021 at 10:27 am
I think you can start to see the lack of mental toughness on defense come through in games like this. As “Thisisouryear” said, the offensive line of the Saints played well and they just kept moving the ball. Devin White hit in the head on a sack is a frustration penalty, that cost points. Same with Gholston who had a late hit that wiped away Winfield pick in the end zone, that cost points. When you hand leadership in the locker room to young guys, you will get energy, but you will also lose some composure. Need David and Suh to bring that savvy veteran mentality back. Alas, it’s only a mid-season game. Let’s hope adjustments (mental and physical) are made in the coming weeks. R-E-L-A-X. We are still elite and the team to beat.
November 1st, 2021 at 10:31 am
Peyton says Winston has a “significant” ACL. Did that change? Just an ankle?
November 1st, 2021 at 10:33 am
I am incredibly disappointed in Devin White’s play.
I’m glad I didn’t spring for a White jersey.
November 1st, 2021 at 10:46 am
LMAO at all of you. Seriously, Just how long did you really think we would go with our Defense? I’m actually surprised we are 6-2. Th Saints have our number. Now, we can get them back when they come to Tampa. Unknown QB’s always spell doom for our Bucs.This Bye comes at a great time. Week 10 is when the real ball..the real teams start steppin up. Brady is mortal and will not win against top notch defenses. Get healthy and come back swinging hard. Every team is giving us their best shot. It will be double hard to repeat as champs. We shall see.
November 1st, 2021 at 10:47 am
It’s 1 game, time to move on. Next up, the WFT. Let’s Go Brandon!
November 1st, 2021 at 10:52 am
Robert, I think I’ll trust TB on that one. He said himself that Evans was open and he should have went there. Admiral, friendly suggestion. Keep your silly toxic politics out of a football blog in a football post. Seriously. Plenty of other appropriate places for your sixth grade coded messages.
November 1st, 2021 at 10:56 am
Hard to blame this game on any one player….but I think Anthony Nelson’s neutral zone infraction is at the top of the list…..
November 1st, 2021 at 10:57 am
our speaking of a diff play steven. I am talking the series before when they had time to score and he threw to ME, but ME did not cut in on the route because he knew he would take a hit. The one you are referring to is when the game was already over and TB probably only passed on ME and went to CG because…..well that’s what TB does…. you drop on him he moves to the next guy for a while.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:02 am
This is a good loss for the BUcs. THey think they can just cruise along winning games. It gives them a wake up call and they have a lot of improvement to work on especially when it relates to being DISCIPLINE.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:16 am
Seems like a lot of Bucs’ fans & media have an inflated opinion of just how good we really are as a TEAM. You are what your record says you are: 6-2. We lost to 2 solid teams with solid Top-10 defenses: Rams (7-1) and Saints (5-2). The only team with a winning record that we’ve beat this season is the Cowboys (6-1) … and it took a Brady comeback inside the final 2 minutes to beat them.
Bucs are, by design, an offensive-focused team. That’s where we’ve put our money … into our offense. The preponderance of our depth is in our offense. The defense was on shaky ground personnel-wise to start the season, and that’s only gotten worse as the injuries have impacted this defense since Game 1. At various times we’ve lost JPP, LVD, Davis, Dean, SMB, Winfield, Whitehead … the list goes on.
Bucs have a realistic chance to go someplace between 14-3 and 12-5 this season. That’s not good enough more than likely to get us a 1st Rnd BYE, but it might be good enough to give us a home field advantage for at least 1 of the playoff games. Maybe more. I doubt we’ll be making any trades by tomorrow, so ‘what you see is what you get’. Whining doesn’t help. Time to heal up, put on our big-boy pants, and kiss some ass.
November 1st, 2021 at 11:27 am
ANY of you that want to get rid of ME should stick to your professional crocheting background.
Flippin’ Idiots!
November 1st, 2021 at 11:28 am
Really????? Joe????
That comment went into moderation???
November 1st, 2021 at 11:47 am
Robert, I stand corrected. Clearly thought you were talking about the last play.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:28 pm
I think we are stuck with the secondary that we now have but dear Lord PLEASE hit those receivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why does this Country Boy have to tell Bowles something so damn obvious. I didn’t get the game but i watched espn’s gamecast. When NO got the ball near the end to take the lead, i knew it was over. Why would i know this. DUH!! this is what gamecast said the whole freak’n game. Seimian left, siemian right, seimiam left blah blah blah. Why would they EVER want to throw downfield?????????? If the QB can throw the ball 3-10 yards on every play, BINGO 300 yards. Lord knows Todd will just stand there like he’s worried about not getting any Christmas presents. Or maybe a toothache
November 1st, 2021 at 12:35 pm
Even the return of Bunting and Davis will not make any difference. Both played during the Cowboys game and Prescott who has not played for a year and pre season lighted the secondary up. This issue is on Todd Bowles’ vanilla type defense and no imagination on how to create a new scheme.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:30 pm
163, you nailed it man!!!!!!! If they continue giving 7-10 yards on every frick’n play, it doesn’t matter. Might as well have Slingblade playing corner. Let me give you all a reality check; Siemian only completed 55% of his passes. what if it was 75% slaughter!!
November 1st, 2021 at 1:39 pm
Tompa completed 70% but those int’s and fumble killed us. And 99 yds in penalties!!!!!!!! there was AT LEAST 2 drives that were killed because of penalties. One writer said that the roughing the passer call was questionable. HUH? What the Hell was questionable about it? The only thing he didn’t do was hit Hill with a ball bat. Stop your whining and fix the discipline problem
November 1st, 2021 at 1:59 pm
We absolutely lost that game due to dumb @ss penalties by the Defense. Just really dumb stuff man. They better learn from this game and stop letting the Bucs beat the Bucs.
November 1st, 2021 at 4:49 pm
No AB & Gronk made a HUGE difference on O
Cockrell and Desir just got roasted repeatedly
Oh, and the refs….they only saw red jersey penalties yesterday
But…who cares, we lost both games to them last year and still carried home the trophy
It’s a new Bucs life 🙂
November 1st, 2021 at 6:02 pm
When they can play a complete game against a good team then they’ll start winning. When your qb throws 4 tds inspite of the tos this loss rests on the shoulders of the defense. NO scored only 13 points with these same players last week but 29 this week? Settling for that punt with the game so close was ridiculous. We throw 40 yard bombs on 1st & 2nd but don’t have a play where multiple routes can get open on 3rd and 14??? Get out of here with that garbage. No Riskit turned into just that, We no Riskit we got no niskit. Total tail tuck!
November 1st, 2021 at 6:03 pm
They turn into We’ll Just Kickit too many times.
November 1st, 2021 at 6:36 pm
We are missing our speed on the outside
November 1st, 2021 at 7:49 pm
With Gronk out we have no TE to throw to, don’t know what happened to Brate this year but clearly he and Brady are not on the same page. Johnson did ok but offense is now left with Godwin and Evans and I can’t believe how much he struggles to run tight routes and lacks the ability to connect with Brady on broken plays. Godwin, Gronk, AB and even Johnson get it. Where the heck is Gio???
November 2nd, 2021 at 6:23 am
I’ve been a patriots fan since they were the Boston Patriots. I’m a Brady fan therefore a Bucs fan. In my twenty plus years Brady/Belichick with Bill’s leadership i never once watched a Patriots team that wasn’t prepared to play and play with discipline. Sunday’s game was shameful, the team on both sides of the ball WAS NOT PREPARED to play Sean Payton’s team. The D has no discipline hence all the penalties. This isn’t the first time I noticed this. Good coaches will always out coach Arians and Bowles. Both are way over rated. But the team has talent and will continue to win in spite of the coaching.