Surprising Joe Tryon-Shoyinka Numbers
October 23rd, 2021
Intriguing stat.
Now Joe is a huge Jason Pierre-Paul guy. Joe just loves his passion, determination and focus. He is what every NFL player should be.
But is he the best pass rusher on the Bucs’ roster? Or even Shaq Barrett?
Joe will pretend here to be a stat geek. So walking away from the Dungeons and Dragons table over to the Macbook, Joe logs off a Pro Football Focus account and prints freshly downloaded stat sheets. Joe — and whatever dude is looking over his shoulder — can see that neither JPP nor Shaq leads the Bucs in quarterback hurries.
Who does? Well, it’s a tie between Devin White and Joe Tryon-Shoyinka.
JTS is also tied with Shaq and Will Gholston in quarterback knockdowns with three each. White (5) and Ndamukong Suh (4) have the most knockdowns.
What jumps out at Joe is that White is not specifically a pass rusher like JTS is, and White has played every snap this season. JTS has played in 46 percent of the defensive snaps.
This tells Joe two things: The first is the Bucs need to get JTS on the field more on passing downs. Also, as Bucs Super Bowl-winning coach Bucco Bruce Arians said yesterday, JTS allows the Bucs to ease JPP back onto the field tomorrow as he tries to battle back from a shoulder and hand injury.
That’s if JPP is active. He didn’t practice all week but it sounded like a real possiblity from Arians yesterday.
October 23rd, 2021 at 12:04 pm
My eyeballs were bulging from their sockets when i saw how much more explosive JTS was than JPP says Pete
October 23rd, 2021 at 12:18 pm
I have been a huge JPP fan since he was playing at USF. I am pretty happy with his body of work here in Tampa. However – I would like to see him take a pay cut and accept more of a backup role next year.
He can still play at a high level for 20-30 plays a game but when his pitch count gets high he takes too many plays off…
Watch his game film – especially late in games. If there is a run play to the other side he doesn’t run after the play. He just jogs or just stays were he is at.
It’s time to pass the torch.
October 23rd, 2021 at 12:24 pm
If JPP suits up…..try taking him out of the game….
October 23rd, 2021 at 12:24 pm
QB knock down is a stupid stat. Sounds like better chance to get some BS roughing.
October 23rd, 2021 at 12:58 pm
The stat is just fine SOE , as long as they don’t get said penalty.
October 23rd, 2021 at 1:05 pm
Agreed Mike, it means they are hitting him as he’s releasing the ball. I encourage that. Annoys me when they sort of just grab onto them and don’t take the chance to make the feel it. Affects a qb processimg, but I get being careful for a penalty
October 23rd, 2021 at 1:34 pm
Just call it pressure. It’s not a sack.
October 23rd, 2021 at 1:42 pm
SOE is right. It is a stupid stat. No one seriously considers it.
October 23rd, 2021 at 1:47 pm
It is all on the same line as qb hurries and qb pressures. Anything that can disrupt the qb is good. When passing from a clean pocket they will make less mistakes. When they are pressured into a throw, they have a higher chance at being off target, causing an incompletion or interception. Hits remind a qb they are coming for him. As long as they aren’t late, causing a flag, it is a good thing for the d.
October 23rd, 2021 at 1:54 pm
So Tom Brady gets knocked down 15 times in a game and you won’t notice or care? Thought so.
October 23rd, 2021 at 1:58 pm
No Akiem Hicks for Bears per NFL trade rumors…
October 23rd, 2021 at 2:05 pm
Spot on evaluation Marine Buc and I’m a huge JPP fan.
October 23rd, 2021 at 2:16 pm
Joe Tryon & JPP, remind me of the story of the young bull, and the old bull, standing on the hill looking down at all the cows.
October 23rd, 2021 at 2:48 pm
I’ll make a very bold prediction : Bucs win
October 23rd, 2021 at 2:52 pm
I’m w/ Joe completely on almost everything said, stated and surmised here
October 23rd, 2021 at 3:03 pm
This is partly why, barring a pay cut, that JPP is not at the top of the list to bring back next year re: players w/ higher salaries and contracts that expire at the end of this year. If we have to let some premier higher salaries players go next year due to salary cap, JPP could be on that list (again, barring a big time pay reduction)…or af least not at the top of the list to of players to bring back.
Out of guys in this category like JPP, Jensen, Suh and Godwin; I believe Jensen and Godwin are higher priorities in the off-season. Then JPP and Suh after that.
And that’s not even talking about or considering guys making lower salaries this year, but could garner much bigger paydays next year at their current rate of play like Everyday Lenny (although I know BA, if still here, typically and philosophically will not overpay or pay big $ to RB’s in general)
and sting like AB….
October 23rd, 2021 at 3:06 pm
This guy needs more time on the field!
October 23rd, 2021 at 3:40 pm
SOEbuc … Have to agree about QB knockdowns, but more from the aspect that it’s an unnecessary stat.
QB Pressures are defined as Sacks + Hurries + Knockdowns (apparently a half sack counts as a full pressure). The difference between a Hurry and a Knockdown in terms of impact on the play would seem insignificant (the pass itself may end up being complete or incomplete in either case).
And to me that’s the bottom line: impact on the play. If a sack, there is no pass obviously. If a hurry, there’s a pass but that hurry stat doesn’t track its’ outcome. Same thing for a knockdown, so why keep track of it separately? Just use Sacks & Hurries.
October 23rd, 2021 at 4:21 pm
Very interesting article Joe! It proves that we must find a way to get Tryon on the filed for 85% snaps at least, he is making a difference!
October 23rd, 2021 at 4:50 pm
In some ways JPP may be called a “freak of nature” (fingers blown off and auto accident) similar to TB (aged 44 and top NFL QB). Maybe JTs being 22 and JPP being 32 might matter after all.
Tryon may be exceeding expectations as Wirfs did last year. Hooray for us!
October 23rd, 2021 at 6:00 pm
Physically, JPP and JTS are two different dudes. I think they have different strengths, both of which are helpful to a d-coordinator.
October 24th, 2021 at 9:45 am
I have no stats to back it up but my guess is knocked Downs resulting more interceptions than basic pressures
October 24th, 2021 at 10:25 am
Glad he’s on our team. GO BUCS!
October 24th, 2021 at 10:38 am
I’m looking forward to a large dose of JTS this afternoon!!! Rookie meet Rookie… Let the best man win!!! GO BUCS!!!!!!