Is The Pass Rush Resolved?
October 15th, 2021
Had time to throw.
Joe thought the Bucs got decent pressure on Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts.
The thing about this guy, though, he can escape the pocket and hurt you when you flush him.
However, perhaps the Bucs didn’t get enough pressure on Hurts? Based on NextGen stats, the Bucs did not pressure Hurts all that well.
NextGen Stats is raw data gathered using sensors in players’ equipment. Per Chase Goodbread of NFL.com, the Bucs pass rush may have been the weakest the Eagles have faced all season.
Next Gen stat of the night: Despite his struggles, Hurts enjoyed a season-high 3.36 seconds to throw per pass, nearly half a second better than his 2.89 season average entering play.
That’s a jump, and not in a good direction for the Bucs.
The big thing about the pass rush is Jason Pierre-Paul is still likely not 100 percent. Hard to use all sorts of different moves when your shoulder is messed up.
Hopefully these next nine days will improve JPP’s shoulder for the Bears’ visit to Tampa.
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October 15th, 2021 at 6:28 am
Then more kudos to the secondary. Cause I saw the DL in the backfield a bunch. And if they weren’t hurrying him, it meant the secondary was staying close.
October 15th, 2021 at 6:40 am
Is this stat representative? The impression I had was Hurts was constantly on the run trying to avoid Barrett and then threw it at the end or ran out of bounds. Could that time he was on the run before throwing impact how long he had to throw?
It’s worth noting he only attempted 26 passes against us, which was the second lowest of the season, far lower than his attempts against Panthers (37), Chiefs (48), Cowboys (39) and Falcons (35). Only against the 49ers in week 2 (23) did he attempt fewer passes.
October 15th, 2021 at 6:49 am
I bet Mahomes in the super bowl had time to throw as well … running from defenders is not time to throw misleading statistics.
October 15th, 2021 at 6:51 am
Man, I saw Shaq hounding Hurts all game. He was in the backfield almost as much as Sanders. I was frustrated watching Hurts scramble and get away. I was very impressed, honestly and if LVD, or we were facing a less mobile qb, it would have been a blood bath
October 15th, 2021 at 7:06 am
Its better but lets face it , eagles had some starters on oline out
Vea is a freak. Love the big fella
Shaq is playing better. Any normal qb and he would have 5 sacks last night but hurst is one big , strong and fast dude.
Suh looked good not great.
Gholston fine
Jpp is the odd man out this year. I dont think he is healthy. Coach said his team needs his energy? Fine. Just have him playing less snaps until he is healthy. I mean make it like 25 percent less snaps. He was going lone wolf out there last night leaving his spot to try and make a play.
And yes. Have shaq run more plays from right end as a result of jpp not being himself.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:10 am
I was looking after a while to see if JPP was playing
October 15th, 2021 at 7:13 am
So nice of the Beagles to knock off Carolina for us before we took them down.
The pass rush was good enough to earn a road win on a dreaded Thursday nite game. i Philly no less. A 5-1 record is something to celebrate.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:19 am
When Tryon was in the game Hurts struggled to escape out the right side of the pocket. When JPP was in the game he could run out that side unhurried.
Against QB’s like Hurts, JPP won’t be a ton of help.
I’m hoping last night finally proved to them once and for all that it was stupid to not have Shaq at right end. He’s so much more explosive from that side. Now they just need to realize that JPP would be more effective as a rotational player and not a full time every down player.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:31 am
@gotbbucs,
JPP a rotational player? Where have you been the last 3 years? He’s playing hurt. The guy is a beast. Without JPP, Shaq’s stats are pedestrian. You must be a casual fan.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:40 am
There was pressure but Hurts holds on to the ball longer than anyone we’ve played this season.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:42 am
They only scored because of the penalties …
October 15th, 2021 at 7:43 am
JPP was woeful last night…logged a lot of snaps while obviously playing hurt. He’s an absolute warrior, but we need to be careful that his body isn’t breaking down to the point of not returning to form. On the other hand, Shaq was outstanding and all over the field. Vita and Suh were solid.
October 15th, 2021 at 7:47 am
@lambchop what are watching, jpp when health yeah good player with that club he is a liability he can’t perform pass rush moves can’t can’t get off blocks can’t excite his assignment he was bad in the dolphins game worse this game play jts more snaps
October 15th, 2021 at 7:48 am
execute*
October 15th, 2021 at 7:57 am
JPP play? He shouldn’t have. Whether it’s his shoulder, or clubbed hand, or father time he’s not playing very well. On 4th, and goal from the 3 all he had to do was stay outside forcing Hurts inside to where White would’ve been able to make the stop. Instead for some reason he comes inside taking out White, and Hurts easily runs right untouched into the end zone. That’s a savoy veteran? When was the last time he had a sack, a pass defensed?
October 15th, 2021 at 7:58 am
I’ve always said that negativity is the easiest thing to find. I’ve been watching for 6 decades and this morning I have the same feeling that I had after the “election” I’m walking around wondering “how in Hell did that game only be a 6 pt. win” Last night as i was watching I was thinking that the game reminded of super bowl 55. Mahomes running for his life the entire game. Hurts is a much better runner than mahomey. He looked like a Liberal running from a job offer. If there was one big negative, it was going for it on 4th down near mid field. No risk it no biscuit??? As an insurance agent for 25 years, I understand risk. It’s called risk for a reason. That almost cost us the game. Defense was playing much better. should have punted
October 15th, 2021 at 8:20 am
Stats are for stat nerds and losers. And the Eagles lost.
October 15th, 2021 at 8:22 am
I don’t know about solved, but in general, each time the Bucs shut down the Iggles offense, there was a collective gasp. Is that because the level of expectations is so low? Toward the end, particularly on the final TD drive by the Iggles in the red zone, the Bucs had their third string defense on the field! I suppose that the starters need to rest, but sheesh!
October 15th, 2021 at 8:38 am
The NextGen stats don’t pass the eye test……Shaq & Devin White were constantly after Hurts……and Hurts escaped time & time again…..and Shaq & White aren’t slow……we missed LVD….
Our secondary Dean & Cockrel did a good job….they covered well…..
I agree that JPP isn’t anyway near 100%…….
October 15th, 2021 at 8:53 am
Time to throw is missleading in this scenario. The guy ran circles for 15 seceonds every third throw, so it’s simple math that it must increase. That doesn’t mean he had time in the pocket.
October 15th, 2021 at 9:10 am
Defense played decent last night. Dean’s interception was great to reverse his PI call, Cockrell almost had an interception, SHaq has been running and chasing Hurts, Vita is wall out there, the question I have is, are we going to get a refund from Richard Sherman’s $2m check ?
October 15th, 2021 at 9:11 am
@ alton d green Thanks! I’ll gladly clean up the coffee I spewed on the ground!
October 15th, 2021 at 9:47 am
Excellent take Bird.
October 15th, 2021 at 9:49 am
How did Cockrell not catch that, easily a pick 6. Bowles needs to practice tip drill more, a LOT of dropped balls for ints.
October 15th, 2021 at 9:50 am
I see it as the Bucs defensive linemen did not want to over pursue and stayed in theri gaps to keep him mostly in the pocket, unfortunately JH did not run into any sacks
October 15th, 2021 at 10:54 am
Alton…not to mention that Bowles had all backups on the D-Line after the failed 4th down gamble. It wasn’t until they moved the ball into the red zone that he put Vea et al back in. Why give teams a chance? Let’s curb-stomp all of them!
October 15th, 2021 at 10:59 am
@lambchop
Shaq had 19.5 sacks rushing from the right side in a season where JPP only played half the season because he hurt his neck in a car wreck. Don’t preach to me like I don’t know what I’m talking about. I’ve been saying since the beginning of last year that it was stupid for Shaq to switch sides with JPP in the defense.
Yes, JPP is a warrior and plays through injuries and all that stuff, but at a certain point you become a liability out there. He’s not effective on the field right now.
October 15th, 2021 at 11:05 am
Hurts would be a lot better if he had a real offensive coordinator. Then the D-line would not have looked so good. They are always one step away, though.
October 15th, 2021 at 11:36 am
JPP was blatantly held by the RT at least twice. He had free runs and the OT grabbed him around the shoulder pads and turned his body and killed his momentum. Hurts then got away both times.
October 15th, 2021 at 12:10 pm
I didn’t count the snaps or anything, but it seemed like Bowles was blitzing less and often had White or Minter working more as a spy than a rusher. Sometimes White would rush, and when he did you could tell because Hurts would be running all over the place trying to get away. Other times Minter would rush, and you could tell because Hurts would just run right by him. They really missed LVD last night would could have spied Hurts and left White to rush him all night. Instead we seemed to have a lot guys just standing around, playing almost like a short zone / containment. It did work for most of the night, and the Bucs only got burned when the Eagles got some long runs when our 2-down run stuffer Vita was out of the game.
October 15th, 2021 at 12:10 pm
I thought Shaq was going to eat him. Pass rush looked fine considering a mobile guy, sometimes you want them to sit in the pocket instead of running around.
October 15th, 2021 at 12:31 pm
O line for the Eagles were holding all night long and got away with a lot against Vea and JPP for sure. Then again, Dean could have been flagged for PI at least 5 times last night, so it sometimes evens out.
October 15th, 2021 at 12:41 pm
I agree Tryon needs to be in the game more especially while JPP is still mending. After Jpp is fully healthy lets see if he still has it. Commenting on tb3 saying how good D. lazy ass Smith was last night, I guess you missed his crucial holding call. Which by the way he usually has at least one per game.
October 15th, 2021 at 1:35 pm
Shaq and Vea look great. JPP looks non-existent most of the time. JTS has a significantly higher win % off the edge compared to JPP. Until JPP can produce, JTS needs more snaps!
October 15th, 2021 at 1:36 pm
Pass rush win rate at edge, 2021
Jason Pierre-Paul: 13.3%
Joe Tryon-Shoyinka: 26.5%
(ESPN / NFL Next Gen Stats)
October 16th, 2021 at 9:59 am
Jpp sure seems to not have the strength to be effective and you heard some of this during camp with him getting whipped by practice squad players in one on ones ……… he is getting pretty well handled when locked up……… the next issue is D White who can sure run down hill but talk about not being able to whip running backs or having some rushing moves in blitz packages , man he is not good………this is the same as last year when he should have been sat his ass down in favor of Minter ( for 3/4 of the year ) ( playoffs he was lights out but I think people are playing him/ Bucs a lil different) ……..the offenses just aren’t running much which is d whites strength and the coordinators have figured out what he can’t do rushing / blitz and he just isn’t much of a factor……………. fix those two positions and the pass rush will thrive………keep the titles the same and it may or may not get better …….. their play just isn’t that good right now ……. I will say that JPP is running well and his off the ball play is pretty good , pass rush not so much !! Go Bucs !!