Tom Brady Helped Everybody
July 11th, 2021
Bucs QB Tom Brady.
In a Football Outsiders article typed by Thomas Bassinger, he pulls out a quote from Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht from March 2020.
It was when the Bucs signed park-violating, home-invading, NFLPA-ignoring, down-forgetting, handshake-stiffing, jet-ski-losing, biscuit-baking, tequila-shooting, smartphone-phobic, waffle-grilling, trophy-throwing, roller-coaster-scared, numbers-rules-peeved, Bucs-Super Bowl-winning quarterback Tom Brady to Tampa Bay.
Licht said Brady would bring out the best in everyone. Licht wasn’t lying.
In going through all the numbers from last year, Bassinger points out Brady helped the defense just about as much as he helped the offense.
… He was a factor on the other side of the ball, too. Yes, Tampa Bay already had a good defense, … but barely anyone outside the analytics community noticed. They saw that the Buccaneers allowed 28.1 points per game, more than all but three teams. The defense wasn’t to blame, however. The quarterback was. Jameis Winston threw an NFL record seven pick-sixes, plus a bunch more pick-soon-to-be-sixes (interceptions that gave opponents short fields). With Winston, the Buccaneers had an offense that set the defense up to fail. With Brady, the Buccaneers had an offense that set the defense up to succeed. The upgrade helped Tampa Bay jump from 32nd in average opponent starting field position to 13th.
There is also something else nobody seems to want to discuss, but it is as obvious as a sore thumb to Joe.
The Bucs defense changed late in 2019 when the Bucs threw loafing Vernon Hargreaves off the team. Since the former first-round pick cornerback was jettisoned, this defense immediately played better. In regards to the pass defense, it played much better.
One of these days Joe is going to have beers with someone at One Buc Palace to find out what Hargreaves was doing to Pearl Harbor the defense so badly.
Joe will guess one reason was the entire secondary was shading so much towards Hargreaves to help him in coverage that they left too much real estate for the rest of the secondary to cover properly.
That wasn’t just a coincidence that the pass coverage significantly improved when Hargreaves left. Joe doesn’t believe in coincidences.
July 11th, 2021 at 11:16 am
Good take on the defense shading toward Hargreaves. That would certainly explain it, but probably something else contributed as well (locker room vibe?).
On the Brady effect, Joe’s penned so many articles discussing Brady’s influence on all parts of the organization. By now, we should all fully appreciate how much of the Buc’s recent success can be attributed to Brady’s arrival in Tampa.
July 11th, 2021 at 11:50 am
For those out there that still miss #3, re-read what Bassinger wrote 10 or 15 times. Maybe then you’ll finally figure out why the rest of us gave up on him.
July 11th, 2021 at 11:57 am
I’ve been beating this 🥁 since since last off season literally said the exact things. The 2019 defense was way better than given credit the facts are there. They did a lot of things better in 2019 than in 2020 also!!!!
July 11th, 2021 at 11:58 am
Hardcore facts for the infamous 🤡 oneibucs.
July 11th, 2021 at 12:18 pm
I do agree that the defense improved after Hargreaves left….I think a factor was the fact that if the Bucs would jettison a 1st round pick for lazy play, then no one is safe…..all remaining players performance improved because of it.
July 11th, 2021 at 12:43 pm
Joe you don’t have to post these natty opinions to tell me Tom is the GOAT all day. He’s the locker room GOAT, also. People don’t know or bring it up when they lie to themselves. Everyone in the franchise went from 0-1,000 when Brady signed. Dude is a black hole.
July 11th, 2021 at 12:44 pm
TBBF … Often wondered why Todd Bowles stuck with VHIII for half the season. I suspect that a big part of the reason was that SMB didn’t come along as fast as some had hoped, and Dean was dinged up quite a bit in that 1st half season.
SMB only got a handful of defensive snaps until the 5th game (when Davis got hurt), and Dean didn’t get any at all until the 6th game. By Game 8 SMB was full-time (Davis was hurt again) & Dean was getting about 50% of the def snaps. Once Davis returned in Game 10 VHIII became expendable … and he was sent packing. I suspect that Bowles would’ve done that earlier if Davis hadn’t gotten hurt and missed Games 8 & 9.
July 11th, 2021 at 12:54 pm
Defense Rules
With those numbers how badass is it that SMB tied for most rookie INT (3) and then three straight playoff games. He’s coming along very nicely.
July 11th, 2021 at 12:57 pm
Tampabaybucfan. …Jimmy Johnson use to get the Cowgirls attention by jettisoning a player (not a first rounder) that he felt would send a message. Bucs did with Hargreaves and it sent a huge message.
July 11th, 2021 at 1:03 pm
There might be something to that. The Bucs had likely already decided they weren’t going to keep Hargreaves anyway (his contract with the Bucs ended after the 2019 season). So they just waved goodbye a few weeks earlier than expected, in part, to send a message that not even a first-round draft pick is safe if he continually dogs it.
July 11th, 2021 at 2:21 pm
Yes, that was the imminently forgettable 2016 draft class with Noah Spence and Roberto Aguayo in tow. A lot of trading picks occurred that year. Still, Bassinger’s comments were about JW, so let’s address that before moving to VHIII. It’s amazing what can be accomplished with a QB who can throw a slant.
July 11th, 2021 at 2:52 pm
Once again the offense was top 5 every year Jamies was the quarterback . The defense gave up the most yards and points his time here . And Jamies played without a good running game for 4 years and the offense was ranked to 5 . That’s facts I can care less about what the false narrative from some media guy or GM who was trying to blame someone else so he can keep his job. Again go see the difference between the offense rankings and defense and you will get the truth!! Brady will always get all the credit for when his teams wins and never get blamed when they lose when it comes to the media lol 😆😂 !!!
July 11th, 2021 at 2:56 pm
And remember when we were losing to all the good teams during the season ?? Name me one time Brady got blame for any thing from the media?? Lol 😆🤣
July 11th, 2021 at 3:05 pm
And I believe the picture they are showing Brady threw 3 picks and the defense step up and yet they gave Brady the credit for that game as well . In 2019 that would have been a lost just like the Gaints , and Seahawks where that great defense blew those leads. Lol 😆🤣
July 11th, 2021 at 3:37 pm
Oneibucs just admit turnovers matter! I promise not to throw it in your face 😂.Turnovers are the reason your beloved is not here here your the only person I’m denial about it left.
July 11th, 2021 at 3:38 pm
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July 11th, 2021 at 3:59 pm
Jameis is a turnover machine, and the defense was hung out to dry by his poor ball security and countless picks.
Furthermore, no QB threw more than half of his 30 picks this year.
It’s careless and foolish to not mention turnover margin.
OneilBucs, what say you about turnover margin? I don’t give a crap about yards and points when your QB gives up the booty every damn time. Forget that crap. Go Bucs, let’s go for 2b
July 11th, 2021 at 4:22 pm
We going for 2 SteveK 🔥
July 11th, 2021 at 4:39 pm
Ugggggghhhhhhh!!!!! Those Smitty year’s were soooooo terrible. Bucs did have great offensive stats with Jameis but he gave the ball away too much (you think?) and defense wins championships if you didn’t watch this recent Super Bowl at Ray Jay.
July 11th, 2021 at 5:11 pm
I have always believe that defense win championships!! Again your defense can’t be ranked last in every thing to win !! And I have never said Jamies was perfect. Jamies was a young quarterback who came to a team with a trash defense. And to top it off his GM missed on the whole 2016 draft class. But what’s crazy is yall trying to make him the main problem lol 😆😂. I guess his running game was great as well 😂. I feel sorry for Kyle Trask !!! To act like a running game don’t mean nothing or a defense is crazy!!
July 11th, 2021 at 5:19 pm
So if the bucs don’t develop Kyle Trask then will it be official for yall that Tampa is where young quarterbacks careers come and die?? Are yall going to make Trask the new scapegoat lol 😆 ? And let’s stop lieing because how many times did this defense give up games the pass 5 years??
July 11th, 2021 at 5:37 pm
Why feel sorry for Trask? He’s learning right behind Brady, which is where Jameis would be if he took he same deal here as he did in NO. Maybe ask yourself why he didn’t get starter money from another team. I mean you love to throw around his stats every chance you get. He’s still not guaranteed to be a starting QB this year.
Do you believe you know something that 31 other GMs don’t? Should we not believe our lyin eyes? There isn’t one player on the Bucs that would rather have Jameis than Brady. Not one. There’s only a few of you so called Bucs fans who would rather have lost with Jameis than win with Brady. It’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen from a so called fan. Probably need to take off that mask and get some fresh air.
July 11th, 2021 at 6:56 pm
I’m not comparing the 2 and I stand behind Brady a 100 percent. But when Brady leaves yall just going to ignore the rest of the team and make Trask the scapegoat if the team lose . And I will tell you this if they come with that no risk it no biscuit offense with Trask it’s going to be the same results !! I believe in the run game will help Trask develop because it takes some of the pressure off him . The same way I believe would have helped Jamies.
July 11th, 2021 at 7:54 pm
So what’s your point Oneilbuc? 3 should still be our qb?
July 11th, 2021 at 8:15 pm
Mike C. My point has always been then same you can’t keep blaming these young quarterbacks for the failure of this team. Stop making them the scapegoats for a team that never developed a quarterback in the history of their franchise. We are the only team that never developed a quarterback in the history of the NFL. So you tell me if they don’t develop Kyle Trask who fault is it going to be ??
July 11th, 2021 at 9:49 pm
Oh, O’Neil,
Lol. Jameis was a former #1 overall pick, and he busted out of Tampa.
Trask is the last pick of the 2nd round, and hopefully he can develop. At the least, he’s a cost effective backup.
#1 overall picks typically have higher standards than #64 overall picks right? Hence the talent pool and 63 guys chosen before that draft slot.
July 11th, 2021 at 10:52 pm
Exactly don’t he don’t hold winston to no standards.
July 12th, 2021 at 9:15 am
Gone VH3, McSoftie, and the turnover machine. B.A. threw out the trash.
July 12th, 2021 at 12:31 pm
Boy, there’s a surprise. Oneil took a break from the saints sites to say, once again, that #3 didn’t get a fair shot with the Bucs.
July 12th, 2021 at 1:14 pm
I hold Jamies to a standard just like I do the whole the team. But yall just want to look at 1 position because of what the media told you to believe. I believe what my eyes tell me so I don’t hold to no narrative. Again between 2015 and 2019 the offense was ranked top 5 and the defense was ranked at the bottom of every stat. I don’t know how the quarterback put the defense on short feilds but they gave up the most yards and points lol 😂lol 😆🤣 the stuff yall say is motivated by your emotional hate for Jamies !! That’s why he became the scapegoat on this team and if he fails in New Orleans then he fails. But I think Sean Payton will put him position to succeed . And if he does yall going to be hurt because of your hate !!!
July 12th, 2021 at 2:17 pm
I don’t know how the quarterback put the defense on short feilds but they gave up the most yards and points lol 😂lol 😆🤣 the stuff yall say is motivated by your emotional hate for Jamies !! That’s why he became the scapegoat on this team and if he fails in New Orleans then he fails. But I think Sean Payton will put him position to succeed . And if he does yall going to be hurt because of your hate !!!
It’s called possessions it’s also called addition basically it’s called math. Those things happen with short fields also moron. All I really got from your little rant is that if winston succeeds we wil be hurt. You mean like you are now because of your hate and bitterness 😂.
July 12th, 2021 at 2:40 pm
Youngbucs you are dumb than a box of rocks lol 😆🤣 !! You trying to make it about 1 guy but that whole team was trash !!! Lol 😆🤣
July 12th, 2021 at 2:45 pm
Youngbucs I’m not hurt or bitter about nothing lol 😆😂 !! You mad because of your own hate and bitterness of Jamies because now he went to a better team than the one he was stuck with and a better coach who actually developed a quarterback who’s team thought the same way about lol 😆 lol 😆 !!
July 12th, 2021 at 6:14 pm
So what your saying basically is that there are no more excuses for jameis not to succeed. But I’ll bet my life you’ll have some if he doesn’t. Better team you said that better coach you said that better organization you said that. This is great can’t wait for the season the field will do the talking!!!!!
July 12th, 2021 at 6:23 pm
And Sean Peyton did not develop Drew he was balling 2 years before he went to the saints. He got injured and made the chargers decision easy.
July 13th, 2021 at 6:00 pm
Last year we were told, just wait 5 years when Jameis is winning SBs.
Instead, our squad won the Big One. Now we have to wait again for the time when we will be hurt by Jameis success. He’s more likely to end up with a bad case of cholera putting those sweaty lineman’s ass fingers in his mouth doing dumb ass pregame speeches.
Here’s a quick tip buddy- I don’t want any QB to be successful unless he’s playing for TB. That could have been JW, but pride got in his way. Could have held the clip board here and been a second starter should Brady get injured. We would have been two deep on starters. We said good riddance, you told us we’d be sorry.
Wearing my SB shirt right now. No regrets.