“Joe Showed Up”
July 25th, 2021
Bucs rookie OLB Joe Tryon.
Joe knows his readers will eventually ask. So here’s the intel straight from the man in command.
Bucs Super Bowl-winning coach Bucco Bruce Arians was asked a generic question. He was asked for a review of his 2021 draft class on the first day of training camp with the veterans.
The first name out of Arians’ mouth was the name of a man who hasn’t played football since December 2019. But the review was positive.
“Joe [Tryon] showed up, ” Arians said. … [M]ost of those guys were on the other field so I’ll have to watch the tape to really grade them. But when we got together, Joe showed up and flashed.”
Now Tryon wasn’t always practicing with the first-team defense or even the second-team defense. But apparently, he did fine for a guy likely shaking off the rust and on top of it, making his training camp debut.
It was underwear football. There’s not much to tell unless you are a quarterback, receiver, tight end or defensive back. It’s flag football without the flags.
But apparently, whatever Arians saw from Tryon this morning, Arians liked.
July 25th, 2021 at 5:02 pm
Probably his speed & get-off……perhaps knowing where he was on the field….besides…he simply looks good!!!
July 25th, 2021 at 5:38 pm
@ Joe
According to PFF the Bucs are giving red arm bands to vaccinated players and yellow bands to unvaccinated players.
Do you know if this has already started and did you notice any players wearing either red or yellow bands?
July 25th, 2021 at 5:42 pm
Nice to see he has cankles. More sturdy base = better
July 25th, 2021 at 5:44 pm
@ Joe
PFT not PFF – my bad.
July 25th, 2021 at 5:46 pm
Joes
You should embrace this kid being a fellow joe
😂
July 25th, 2021 at 6:41 pm
Y, I saw someone (think Evans) wearing a red one. IDK. Kinda reminds me of when the Nazis ordered all Jews to wear yellow armbands with the Star of David. It just doesn’t sit well with me.
July 25th, 2021 at 6:54 pm
Heard that this afternoon. Didn’t notice any yellow wristbands but wasn’t looking for them either.
July 25th, 2021 at 7:26 pm
I just want to watch him in a preseason game. That’s where the money hits the table.
July 25th, 2021 at 7:27 pm
Dude is stout.
July 25th, 2021 at 7:56 pm
Come on guys…….his eyes are up here.
😉
July 25th, 2021 at 8:26 pm
You see Chandler Jones wants to be traded? If you’re the Bucs, would you trade, say JPP and Fournette (to balance out the contracts) plus, maybe a 3rd rounder, for Jones? Would the idea you might mess up the locker room offset getting a top edge rusher…
I don’t know if the Cardinals would go for a deal like that, but they’re clearly in win now mode, would need someone to replace Jones and their RB’s aren’t very good – so the two players back aren’t nothing, after JPP was the only Bucs pro-bowler last year. Also there’s not a lot of teams with cap space that can take Jones straight up, so they’d probably have to deal with players and picks in any case.
I know it won’t happen, and I’m not even saying it’s a good idea, but it’s an interesting idea.
July 25th, 2021 at 9:25 pm
Rod Munch: Chandler Jones has about a $21 million cap hit, AND wants a raise. There’s only about a 10 month difference in age between him and JPP. JPP is also a team leader who plays hurt. So, no.
July 25th, 2021 at 9:29 pm
FYI…JPP is a top edge rusher (11th in the league with 9.5 in 2020).
July 25th, 2021 at 10:41 pm
No I wouldn’t trade for Chandler Jones. When healthy, Jones is better at getting to the QB, but JPP is the more complete EDGE player, far more capable against the run than Jones. There’s also the big question as the health, Jones missed most of last season and that could be an indication that his body is beginning to break down. Last, Jones is very expensive and is fishing for a multi-year extension, which is why he wants to be traded.
July 25th, 2021 at 10:42 pm
*Better against the run and better at pass coverage.
July 26th, 2021 at 1:11 am
Joe in Michigan – That’s what I get for believing ESPN, they said $15.5 – so JPP and Fournette is just over $15m. Anyways, was just bringing it up as an idea, we sort of had good luck with the last big time edge rusher we got from the Cardinals. Also the top concern, you hear about with the Bucs, is worry about complacency. Making a big move would certainly shake things up.
BUT, with that said, at over $20m, it’s undoable. I don’t think it’s so much he’s looking for a raise as he wants a contract extension – so who knows, maybe do a 3-year deal with 50 voidable years. Is that legal?
July 26th, 2021 at 1:18 am
PassingThru – Jones would almost certainly be quite an upgrade from JPP as an edge rusher at this stage, but as you said JPP is a more complete player. But, would I rather have a complete player who is dropping into coverage, or just bring Shaq and Jones from both edges and let White and David worry about coverage?
As for the bodies breaking down, JPP is injured every year, he’s already well into the breaking down part of his career. That would be the big motivation to me, if you tried to swing a deal like this, you’re sort of betting JPP misses some time, which is what I assume will happen this year.
For the contract, like above, if you want to get aggressive, use void years. I’m really OK with tanking 3 years from now, or whenever Brady retires, I’m willing to spend it all now knowing that. Everyone should be OK with that. While you can’t do 50 voidable years, I don’t actually know what the max is, but if the Glazers are willing to spend the actual cash, the cap means nothing – at least in the short term. Then, even if you just keep pushing it down the line, look at the Saints who did that for nearly a decade – you kept hearing about cap hell and when it finally happened, it wasn’t even that bad. Maybe one year, maybe two years max of a .500-ish team and they’re back at full strength — and that kept their window open forever. That’s what the Bucs should be doing.
July 26th, 2021 at 2:16 am
Great news!
July 26th, 2021 at 7:17 am
The Mystery Man…
July 26th, 2021 at 9:28 am
@Rod Munch
Well stated, and I agree that Jones is the superior pass rusher, but that’s it. JPP reads the offense better, which is one of the reasons why he’s less fooled and drops into pass coverage. Some EDGE players are so motivated at getting to the QB that they either take too aggressive an angle, or lack the desire or technique to fight off the blocker and stop the run. Jones falls into the latter camp. He’s outstanding at one thing, and it is an important thing, but I’d take JPP over him due to his versatility and health.
Jones was durable, up until last season. Last season he managed to only play in 5 games versus 16 regular season games plus 4 postseason games played by JPP. All too often we see a big gap in GP when a player’s body has hit that critical mass of wear, tear and age, and when you pair that with Jones’ desire for one last major payday, it is not only a risk, it might be a signal that he knows he’s nearing that wall. That’s why he’s barking now, he doesn’t want to bet on his body for one more season and then cash-in on a rich free agent contract.
July 26th, 2021 at 12:03 pm
@rod munch
Trade JPP?
That’s blasphemy!!!
And treason!
July 26th, 2021 at 2:11 pm
@Rod Munch
Ownership, management and players all said “let’s stay together and do it again”.
Loyalty and word of mouth are still important, even in today’s world.
No trades, let’s go Bucs and do it again!