Celebrating Bruce Arians’ On-Field Dream
June 29th, 2021
Joe just wants to take a moment to embrace and appreciate how Bucco Bruce Arians got his one big preseason-2020 wish last year — and it wasn’t named Tom Brady.
In 2019, Arians was pulling his hair out about turnovers. He just couldn’t stop America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, from giving the football away like it was mini-Snickers on Halloween.
Those 30 picks combined with no late-season improvement by Jameis got him run out of One Buc Palace. Arians publicly laid all the team’s woes on all those interceptions, it seemed, as well as fumbling giveaways.
This all came back to Joe’s mind watching NFL Network yesterday, as they flashed up a stat that Tampa Bay set a franchise-best record of just 17 giveaways last season. Joe didn’t realize the Bucs had set a new mark.
And fast-forward to the 2021 playoffs, the Bucs had just four turnovers in four games while racking up nine postseason takeaways — a plus-5 ratio during their Super Bowl run.
Yes, Arians got his giveaway wish in a big way. If he gets it again, plan on watching the Bucs in the NFC title game again.
June 29th, 2021 at 6:20 am
When the qb isnt running a bakery, giving out turnovers to the opposing defense it helps so much. I know in ’19 the defense balled out, but not getting much time to rest and then crappy field position on top of that definitely played a factor. It seems we’re set for the future with Trask too. He didn’t really throw picks very often. I’m not counting the Cotton Bowl, since those were all new guys he hadnt really played with all year. Anyway, hopefully we can keep this going.
June 29th, 2021 at 6:33 am
Mmm Snickers
June 29th, 2021 at 6:44 am
Oh but Sean Peyton will fix Mr Pick-6. Right. You can’t fix stupid and you can’t coach stubborn.
June 29th, 2021 at 6:45 am
One huge key to winning football games…..don’t turn it over and create turnovers…..
Winston’s downfall…..and it’s hard for me to believe that given the opportunity he will continue.
June 29th, 2021 at 6:57 am
3 of those came in 1 game on the road in Green Bay!
June 29th, 2021 at 6:58 am
Even good teams cant win if they turn the ball over. Look at green bay. I taped both games last year . The regular season and nfc playoff game. Both covered by Buck and Aikman i believe. You can hear them talk during game saying aaron rodgers hasnt been picked off in years ? 1000 attempts (sarcasm)
And unlike most every other game he played last year , rodgers gave up the snickers bars to the bucs and they lost both games. And if brady doesnt chuck up balls for receiver to make a play (not smart), that playoff game should really not have been close just like regular season game
Turnovers do matter. They are a huge part of the game
If bucs and brady stay in that 3 to 1 or even 4 to 1 td to int ratio , no reason bucs cant get a bye in playoffs
June 29th, 2021 at 7:04 am
You know, if Jameis didn’t lick his hands before the game eating Ws before they were earned, maybe his grip on the ball would t have been so slick and he wouldn’t have had as many fumbles and picks.
I mean it got comical after a while, all those INTs.
June 29th, 2021 at 7:08 am
With the Bucs having the best Rushing Defense last year, I imagine more teams will be throwing against the Bucs this year. If our young DBs can duplicate their success from last year’s postseason, our takeaways should be greater this year.
June 29th, 2021 at 7:08 am
Over a long spans, long enough to be statistically significant, you can look at turnover ratios.
Looking at just a few games (e.g. last year’s playoffs) may not have enough data to tell you anything. Also, there are turnovers and turnovers. Tipped balls, long passes on third down that are practically a punt, etc., vs misreading coverage and throwing a pick six.
June 29th, 2021 at 7:41 am
Don’t forget that JW got his eyes fixed in the offseason… 🤣
It will be interesting to see if Payton can accomplish what Bucs’ coaches, Lovie in his basement, Mr. Kotter and Arians tried to do for the past 5 years. Maybe the fact only the Aint’s were willing to give JW a contract woke Winston up.
To me, JW is classic “potential”. The dude can throw the rock like few others. Unfortunately, over 30 times it was to the other team. “Potential” only means you have an intangible gift of some sort that you have not capitalized on, yet, or possibly ever.
June 29th, 2021 at 8:47 am
Jay-Miss Winston was never better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. The only difference is that we all know who Ryan Fitzpatrick is as a QB and this “Joe” and half the fan base thought Jay-Miss was more than he was ever going to be.
It’s funny reading the opinions of Saints fans on Jay-Miss. They sound like the ignorant Bucs fans around here when it comes to North Korea’s Quarterback. They think his workout videos in his backyard dodging balloons or working with Jay Glazer in MMA are awesome.
Jason Licht is darn near heroic for being able to let go of that cancer and save this team from having another window of opportunity shut on them.
June 29th, 2021 at 8:56 am
In the above picture, how is it that Mr Pick-6 looks absolutely confused from behind? Incredible.
June 29th, 2021 at 9:07 am
D – Rome. To say Fitzpatrick is better than Jamies is a joke . It shines the light on your hate for Jamies. Lol 😆🤣 Fitzpatrick will be trash in Washington just like he was on the other 9 teams he started on. The one thing I will say so far that Jamies numbers was better than Payton Manning first 5 years. And that’s a fact rather you like or not. Payton had over a 100 interceptions in 5 years and guess who was coaching him BA . He was just became the scapegoat on the team. The fan base on this site looks for scapegoats. And now I can promise you one thing that Trask will be the next scapegoat because they are already nick picking him and he haven’t played 1 game. Lol 😆🤣
June 29th, 2021 at 9:51 am
Joe you should’ve put the turnovers into more prospective. Because you have people here who would blame a deep passing attack. And that is 100 percent false. I’m pretty sure at least 25 of the turnovers were short to intermediate. Only 5 over 20yds most of his ints in college were short to intermediate also.
June 29th, 2021 at 9:52 am
That era of the Bucs is over I don’t care to relive it.
June 29th, 2021 at 9:54 am
Youngbucs Says:
June 28th, 2021 at 9:39 pm
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡rojo 2019 724yds 6tds 31 catches rojo 2020 978 7tds 28 catches
254 difference wow big deal. The Bucs run gm as a whole was at the bottom of the league in both years. Try again dude now if you wanna be honest and man up the biggest difference is turnover differential but I know that don’t fit your narratives 😂
June 29th, 2021 at 10:18 am
@O’neil
We realize you love JW. This debate is far from settled. JW was a DISASTER for this franchise on EVERY level. Rumors out of Tallahassee were that Jimbo wasn’t that sorry to see him leave.
We could go personal and talk about all his off field MAJOR screwups…his stupid lack of leadership eating W’s…but I wish to be fair.
IF JW is all that Sean Payton will reveal it. If JW doesn’t enjoy big success at N.O. then the verdict will be final…JW was a HORRID #1 pick in the draft.
In all honestly O’neil maybe you’re right. I do not personally loathe JW…I disrespect what he did to this team with his off field crap…but everybody deserves a second chance…or in JW’s case…3rd…4th and 5th chances.
@ACE
“In the above picture, how is it that Mr Pick-6 looks absolutely confused from behind? Incredible.”
i agree Ace that a pic can be worth a thousand words and that pic illustrates JW’s Buc career as well as any.
I noticed the expressions on BL and BA’s faces. It’s like they wanted to rap JW’s helmet with their knuckles and ask…”Is anybody home?”
BL is clearly exasperated out of his gourd and BA is just at the point where he realizes…OMG you really ARE that thick headed!!!
June 29th, 2021 at 10:29 am
ONEIL
You sure are right about Manning’s numbers within the first 5 years compared to Winston’s numbers. Very intriguing!
How were their numbers compared to each others in year 6? did winston come close to 4200 yards with 29 tds and 10 ints?
Looking at Manning’s year 7 numbers of 4557 with 49 tds and 10 ints, do you think winston will come close to that?
wondering minds are waiting for your answer…
June 29th, 2021 at 10:36 am
Oneilbuc, when looking at their averages over the course of their careers they are essentially the same player. Comp%, TD%, INT%, rating, ect…the only real difference is that Fitz is a starter and Jay-Miss can’t start over a running back pretending to be a quarter back. Teams in the NFL could have pried Jay-Miss away from NO for a 7th rounder. No one wants him.
He’ll never be the answer at QB for any team in the NFL. He’ll always be a backup or a bridge-the-gap QB just like Ryan Fitzpatrick.
June 29th, 2021 at 10:54 am
Lol 😆🤣😂 the hate for Jamies is real but to be honest the saints have a reason to be optimistic about Jamies. They done something that this franchise has never done and that’s develop a quarterback . Brees was not that good with the Chargers according to their organization. They chose Rivers over Brees and wasn’t because of his injury. Brees had 76 interceptions with the Chargers and they moved on from him. How that worked out for them?? He went to the Saints and they developed him and he became a hall of famer. So I understand how they feel . I grew up watching a hall of fame quarterback Warren Moon . This franchise has never developed a quarterback that’s why yall afraid of Brady retiring. Lol 😆🤣😂
June 29th, 2021 at 11:01 am
Oneil – are you impressed with Winston, who I was a big fan of coming out of college, continuing to eat W’s post game and in the Saint’s locker room? Do you believe that he has matured – now going in to his 7th season? I, for one, and extremely disappointed in the “man” that Winston is. I am beyond thrilled that he is no longer that clown face of this franchise.
June 29th, 2021 at 11:10 am
If I remember correctly Sean Payton adored Jameis Winston before he was drafted. Said great things about him.
This season might finally convince fans like Oneilbuc that Winston’s run is done.
After being such a huge fan of Jameis… even I gave up a while back….while others still hold onto what …I have no idea.
Go Bucs!!!(not go Jameis)
June 29th, 2021 at 11:22 am
Oneilbuc Says : “Brees was not that good with the Chargers according to their organization. They chose Rivers over Brees and wasn’t because of his injury.”
You can’t just rewrite history the way you want it. Brees was inconsistent and then they drafted Rivers in the first round. Except after they drafted Rivers, Brees started to light it up FOR the CHARGERS. Now they were faced with having Brees playing at high level and having just drafted a QB in the first round. Brees never really sucked for San Diego. You’re either lying to yourself and us or you’re wrong.
It’s no wonder most of your posts on Winston make no sense….
June 29th, 2021 at 11:27 am
74 buc. Jamies is a Christian man now what he done in the past don’t mean nothing now . The crazy thing is you don’t even know if he was guilty or not. The media said he was guilty even though the woman changed her story . How long yall going to keep talking about something that happened 6 years ago . They brought back up in 2018 because he wouldn’t give the girl money back in 2015 when it supposed to had happened. Brady got caught cheating and you don’t hold him accountable today. You call Belichick a cheater but Brady was the quarterback and he also was accused of cheating but you can move on from that and should . Ain’t no one in this world ever lived a perfect life but 1 Man . I wish Jamies the best I don’t hate the brother . My new guy at the quarterback position is Kyle Trask now .
June 29th, 2021 at 11:34 am
Oneilbuc, you are ignorant of the history of that situation. How did it work out for the Chargers? Pretty well quite frankly. Phillip Rivers was an elite QB and a borderline HoFer who lead his team to the conference championship. In his prime the Chargers were a contender. Brees managed to cash in a Super Bowl with the Saints (just in case you can’t remember that either). They both had fabulous careers but that was not an easy decision for the Chargers back then. Brees was terrible before Rivers got there. Competition for his job brought out the best in Brees.
You can’t say the same about Jay-Miss. In fact, he wilted like a weed that got sprayed with RoundUp because Ryan Fitzpatrick was the competition and became the talk of the town. Fitz was a capable backup but he was a distraction because of Winston’s fragile ego. He was given every opportunity to succeed with an extremely talented offensive roster and he kept choking and turning the ball over.
June 29th, 2021 at 11:37 am
Buc187 . No Brees didn’t that is not true he lost his job to Rivers and wasn’t because of his injury. But at the same time the saints have a good reason to be optimistic because they done it before. Now rather it happens again we will see but we are the ones who never developed a quarterback and that’s why yall trying to hold on to Brady because yall have no faith in this team developing a quarterback . But I think they can I don’t believe I BA can develop a quarterback because he never done it before. He fired in Pittsburgh, and indy, Cleveland, because he’s known for getting quarterbacks killed and with a high interceptions rate. And if he’s here with Trask he’s going to get him killed with a lot of interceptions.
June 29th, 2021 at 11:42 am
Buc1987 don’t hit him with that truth he can’t handle it. He stays talking out his rear his points are easily broken down.
June 29th, 2021 at 11:43 am
Can the season please start already the field does the true talking.
June 29th, 2021 at 11:48 am
Oneilbucs said Brady was going to get killed with a lot of interceptions. Don’t make me go in the archives. Our oline sucks Brady can’t fix that our defense sucks Brady can’t fix that 😂. If we had Brady in 2019 we’re in the playoffs 💯
June 29th, 2021 at 12:00 pm
Joe, who would you prefer the Bucs play? Hill or Winston???
June 29th, 2021 at 12:03 pm
“The Chargers had the first overall pick in the 2004 NFL draft, and they selected Eli Manning. Then they sent Manning to the Giants for a package that included North Carolina State quarterback Philip Rivers, the fourth overall pick. At the time, San Diego’s quarterback was Drew Brees, and he continued as the starter for two more seasons before a shoulder injury led to his signing with New Orleans as a free agent.” From all over the net.
I didn’t check Brees’ Chargers stats but he held off Rivers for 2 years….I don’t remember him sucking it up during those 2 years.
June 29th, 2021 at 12:04 pm
The clown show has been fun to watch. Oneilbuc kept saying all last year that it’s Super Bowl or bust and that Brady was only a game manager.
Yep, because game managers throw FORTY TDs and only twelve interceptions during the regular season on their way to a Super Bow WIN (win is something Jay-Miss never did). The game manager shattered Jay-Miss’s fake and overblown record. Any QB in the NFL can get 30 TDs if they’re allowed to throw for 30 INTs.
June 29th, 2021 at 12:06 pm
go to the archives, young! lets see them bad boys!!!!
June 29th, 2021 at 12:32 pm
I did say they were going to get Brady killed with that no risk it no biscuit offense with no running game. And they did until they changed the offense. Yall can go ahead and denier all you want but facts are facts . Lol 😆🤣
June 29th, 2021 at 1:06 pm
Jameis threw all those picks and lost those fumbles. Thats on him. After Brady threw that wide route interception in New Orleans, he had enough of the silly system and they made adjustments. Thats on Arians. Jameis threw 30 interceptions because Arians let him do it. He was clearly the best option on the team, and I guess running the ball, or modifying the playbook were not options. They went out of their way to make Gabbert the backup, yet even when Winston had multiple interception games, they continued to let him throw the ball all over the field. BA needs to find a way to RUN THE DAMN BALL! Shorten the game, stay balanced, and most importantly- preserve the health of your ancient goat qb. I like BA, but winning with Brady is less impressive, and he likely did it by being more flexible with his qb. BA seems to take his bigger risks when he allows less of his influence on the offense.
June 29th, 2021 at 1:27 pm
Oneilbucs Says:
March 20th, 2020 at 8:48 am
Man all this Brady stuff is going to hurt us in the next year are 2 . Why don’t yall realize this guy is 43 years old when the season starts . B.A. is destroying this team and yall still don’t see it . What makes yall think that Brady is going to come in here and ball out ?
June 29th, 2021 at 1:40 pm
Tired Oneilbuc of your comparison of Winston to Peyton Manning.
They started their careers 17 years apart. The NFL changed dramatically from that time. Comparing interceptions is just the wrong way to compare them.
If you are doing that then by comparison Joe Flacco is better than Johnny Unitas because his interceptions and passing yardage are more.
June 29th, 2021 at 2:38 pm
We minimized turnovers and BAM, started winning football games!
If that isn’t causation, I don’t know what is!
June 29th, 2021 at 3:36 pm
He is the Saints problem now….
Good Riddance to those days!
The Saints will live to regret that signing soon enough…
Just hoping and a praying when the time comes for Brady to tire, that Trask will be better than what JW was or back to losing the Bucs will be…
June 29th, 2021 at 3:48 pm
I love it when the archives come out. Smack talking accountability is awesome 🙂
June 29th, 2021 at 4:34 pm
Tye. Go ahead and keep blaming these young quarterbacks keep making them the scapegoat of the team. But if they don’t develop Trask then it would be official that Tampa is where young quarterbacks careers come to die. You ain’t going to keep telling me that every quarterback you drafted it was there fault on why they didn’t make it in Tampa. That’s why yall want Jamies to fail so bad in New Orleans ! And you get mad because some of us don’t feel that way about Jamies or any other former buc player unless they play us . Lol 😆🤣😂
June 29th, 2021 at 5:00 pm
BA4President Says:
“I love it when the archives come out.”
Then you can thank me. Cause I was one of the originators of doing such stuff. Peeps used to hate it when I did it though. Now it’s just common place.
June 29th, 2021 at 5:07 pm
“But if they don’t develop Trask”
and if they dont develop trask, they wasted a #64 pick and not the first overall pick.
June 29th, 2021 at 5:10 pm
Oneil there’s been so many different regimes…..it can’t be just the team’s fault.
Was it Koetter’s fault that they couldn’t develop Vinny?
or
Was it Ray Perkins fault that they couldn’t develop Jameis?
Neither one’s fault….different owners even.
Winston sucks. That’s on him.
June 29th, 2021 at 5:36 pm
So 187 who’s fault is it then ? Dirk was a trash coach who hate running the ball. Even in Jacksonville they head coach would over ride his play calling and make him run the ball. Freeman became a super star runningback when he left . And even in 2015 Lovie would make him run the ball . Then as soon as Dirk became the head coach the running game was over . He had Jamies throwing it just about every down wich made us a 1 demintchnal type of offense. What happened when he went back to the Falcons he sucked and still couldn’t produce a good running game. Face it we are the only team in the NFL that never developed a quarterback in the history of the team. So now for every lost this team have in the future with Trask staring it will be his fault ok I get it lol 😆😂
June 29th, 2021 at 5:42 pm
And we not going to ignore those 32 ranked defenses that the bucs had right? But I guess that was Jamies fault as well . How many times did this defense give up games the past 10 years 😆🤣. Tell me between 2015 and 2019 name me 1 time we were top 15 because I we were no were to be found in the top 5 ?? But the offense was ranked in the top 5 with no running game!! But defense was not the problem with this team lol 😂😆🤣.
June 29th, 2021 at 5:52 pm
D Rome . Rivers became a good quarterback with help of a hall of famer in runningback when he was a young quarterback. That took a lot of pressure off him because who he had in the back feild. You see yall love to discredit runningbacks on this site lol 😆😂. Rivers also threw a lot of picks but since the media gave him passes I guess you are to. And as for the saints please go look it up when they had a running game they won and when they didn’t have a running game they lost even with Brees at quarterback. And not to mention their defense was trash at that time as well. But all I hear from yall is defense doesn’t matter , running game doesn’t matter . All that matters is the quarterback. Lol 😆🤣
June 29th, 2021 at 6:30 pm
I LOVE THAT PIC.
I totally remember that moment.
Wits end.
June 29th, 2021 at 6:39 pm
Defending Jay Miss at this point is simply pointless.
June 29th, 2021 at 8:03 pm
O’Neill: a 5-year vet who started almost every game is no longer a “ypoung QB.”
Winston is Winston’s worst enemy.
But I suppose BA & Leftwich are rayssis for letting him go.
June 29th, 2021 at 8:24 pm
At one point, two seasons ago, Jameis looked like he was turning the corner. The Bucs looked like they could finish the season 9-7.
Then Jameis lost his touch, again, and the Bucs ended 7-9. That sealed the deal.
What can you say about a fifth year QB that never even got a good whiff of the playoffs. The team around him was actually better than that, but he kept putting them in a hole and tried to throw himself out of it. It only made it worse.
June 29th, 2021 at 8:31 pm
Joe more Winston stories please. They are fun to read and the fan commentary is also good.
Arians did blame the turnovers. Wasnt that considered the @Blame Jameis movement……..You could debate the @Blame Jamies movement was just Bruce being Bruce and being totally honest. If thats true he likely was never considering Winston for QB in 2020…..And theres really no arguing the concept that blaming Jameis was the right thing. Results matter!!
June 29th, 2021 at 8:37 pm
Oniel you honestly have no argument yet you presist on having one until you are blue in the face.
We got rid of Winston and we won the SuperBowl. The whole basis of thd 6 year Winston debate was results oriented. Well the SuperBowl ended in Feburary and we got the result that we have been arguing over for 6 yearsnow.
Can you convince anybody we win that SuperBowl with Winston at QB. If you cant convince us that it means you lose the argument……So lose with sone grace dude because, dear God, this is ugly.
June 29th, 2021 at 10:07 pm
JimmyJack . The things you guys talk about is a narrative that is pushed by the media. This was not the same team or plays that Jamies had and yall know it . But to say yall won the argument is false because I bring up facts that have been proven . Like those bad bottom ranked defenses while the offense was top 5 every year he was the quarterback now you can go look that up but I know you want so keep on worshipping Brady and giving him all the credit for the superbowl and I will give credit to the whole team . And when Brady retire you make sure you go with him because yall really don’t have faith in the team are less Brady is on the team. I’m a bucs fan you a Brady fan !! Lol 😆🤣
June 29th, 2021 at 10:54 pm
Actually buddy if you look at the post game comments that people make directly after the game most folks stay pretty well consistent. And Im talking directly after the game before the media gets to give its opinion or narritive.
So yeah you cant win the argument unless you convince anybody Winston could have won us a ring in 2020…..Because all the rest of us can proove we can win it with another QB.
And b ed fore you tell me again which parts of the team i got faith in I will let you know that I have been hyping the defense since Bowles got here.
So thanks for trying but swing and miss for you on all 3 of your little points. YER OUT!!!
June 29th, 2021 at 11:35 pm
So you think you won because of you say swing you miss lol 😆 😆🤣 ok lol 😆🤣 !!! And I don’t have to convince anyone on anything just like you got people who believes racism is dead in America and you can bring facts and they will still say the same thing. Just like when Kap said he was kneeling because of police brutally and you had people saying he was disrespecting flag and the military no matter how much he told yall why he was kneeling and he still couldn’t convince yall even when a navy seal agreed with him . So I can care less about convince a bunch of national media sheeps who don’t know nothing about football but what the media tell you to believe lol 😆😂 !!
June 30th, 2021 at 7:54 am
O’Neilbuc is Npuppy
June 30th, 2021 at 7:59 am
Oneilbucs thx for keeping us entertained with your nonsense. He’s says y’all gonna keep blaming young QBs because of the team. You gonna keep blaming teams because of a QB the saints next right? After you have been praising the saints for years watch how u flip on them. Most players in the nfl never pan out it’s nothing new especially Qbs. And dirk loved to run the ball he was the first to have the stones to bench winston and was forced to play him.
June 30th, 2021 at 9:40 am
ModHairKen~ Not for me Mod, INT’s and Pick 6’s, again and again, and again, in the same game or season is never ever comical to me. I want our team to WIN! Not just about “Going out and having some fun” or talking about eating W’s and getting blown out on national TV. Yeah, I am never going to be Laughing at turnovers, especially season after season of non-improvement in the area of turning the ball over from the QB position. I call it Testeverdeitis. I hope there is a cure for it. Brady and his ways of doing things are a good shot of Blackheart Rum to help me on charting that course of recovery. Two more seasons of Brady’s possible Captianship of our team, with possible further interests in staying on in other roles. Mana from heaven (can you send a few limes next drop for the Rum).
How about them DAWGS!!!
June 30th, 2021 at 11:27 am
I see the name Jameis Winston still triggers yall. This will be the second year post Jameis, but he still generates more comments despite the Bucs winning the dadgum Super Bowl. 30 picks is an anomaly and JW will never throw that many again. I believe JW has an immense level of talent, but I would have moved on as well. Only a fool would have said no to Brady in order to keep Jameis. I would have rolled the dice too. The man is gone. Leave him be. Let’s have fun talking about the defending super bowl champs
June 30th, 2021 at 1:22 pm
Duh of course he won’t throw 30 ints again. Because he won’t be given the opportunity to do so he’d be benched first. No other team is married to him like the Bucs were. We drafted him #1 so the rope was long no matter what he did on or off the field. It’s time to put up or shut up whether some want to admit it or not.
June 30th, 2021 at 1:52 pm
The Rube is gone yet the stain he has left on the Bucs history is still noticeable!
June 30th, 2021 at 4:10 pm
Jameis who?