Joe Tryon Overdrafted?
May 28th, 2021
Bucs edge rusher Joe Tryon.
Former Jets and Dolphins shot-caller and current BSPN talking head Mike Tannenbaum not quite a year ago launched a football thinktank “The 33rd Team.” It’s got some good stuff.
The following is not exactly a shining jewel of an example.
Brian Friedland makes the case that Bucs first round draft pick Joe Tryon was overdrafted, meaning he possibly could have been had later into the second round. Friedland also explains why Tryon may be more of a developmental player, and those players are better off drafted in Round 2.
But in his writeup on Tryon, there is a pretty big hole in Friedland’s logic that the Bucs should have passed on him. See if you pick it up.
Most people would agree the Bucs did not have much to improve on from last year as they were able to retain key players like Chris Godwin, Shaq Barrett, and Lavonte David while also adding more veterans to what was already a complete roster. With the 32nd pick, the Buccaneers selected former Washington Husky Joe Tryon, an edge rusher. The Buccaneers selected Tryon knowing they would have time to develop him with all of the players in front of him, but that seems like more of a pick you can make in any other round beside the first. Jason Pierre-Paul is not getting any younger, so it is very possible Tryon is thrown into the fire much earlier than anticipated. But this wasn’t the biggest of needs due to the fact that the Buccaneers were fifth in sacks and second in QB hits in 2020. They could have gone after other positions at this point in the draft. Despite being an explosive pass rusher with an excellent repertoire of pass-rush moves, Tryon struggles with reading his initial keys and is merely adequate at setting the edge, meaning he will likely start the season in a rotational role. Tryon was also a player who opted out of the 2020 season, so it is to be determined how much he will need to develop at the next level. It is possible the Buccaneers may have missed out on some players who can contribute right away to help defend their Super Bowl crown.
Did you catch the hole in Friedland’s argument? Friedland claims, without detailing them, there were more pressing areas of need on the Bucs other than a pass rusher.
Here’s the thing on Tryon. Joe would like to know how many teams passed on Tryon because he sat out last season? That means he slipped down the draft. So in Joe’s eyes, that means perhaps the Bucs got a steal in Tryon.
Look, Joe has a worry about Tryon’s rust after not playing football since the Las Vegas Bowl in November 2019. But that’s only a hunch, nothing more.
The way Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht has been running the draft the past couple of years, Joe has confidence Licht knows what he is doing with Tryon. At the very least, Licht has earned the benefit of the doubt.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:05 am
Even if it was an overdraft it was slight, there is no shot he would’ve been there for us at our original pick in the 2nd. Why wouldn’t you take a high upside developmental prospect AND have the option to tag him with a 5th year option if he pans out when your team doesn’t have any glaring needs?
May 28th, 2021 at 9:07 am
I wish this draft had been more stoud on DTs. It’s unlikely Vita can hold up a whole season without missing a few games, and an heir to Suh would have been nice to groom this season.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:18 am
I’m sure that the “talking heads” said that JPP was a reach by the NY Giants, too. JPP and Tryon have comparable measurables, and I highly doubt the Bucs would draft someone without heart. We’ll see in 3 or 4 years.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:21 am
If you’re gonna “overdraft” a guy, the time to do it is when you have a stacked roster. Then take BPA at an important position.
Nothing wrong with development when a guy does not have to be pressed into service.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:22 am
It’s not overdrafting if the guy you want is there when you pick and won’t be there when you pick next. More lazy, uninformed national media dudes spewing gibberish. I trust Licht more than this Friedland.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:25 am
What was Wirfs the 4th tackle off the board? He turned out to be the best of the bunch. Truth is we won’t know who the best edge rusher was in the draft until they actually play a season. One thing is for sure, there were no Bosa’s, or Clowney’s in this years edge rusher class. No true stud in the bunch, all rated pretty close. Will the kid from Penn St, or Houston who the Saints picked turn out better then Tryon? The kid measures up, he’s raw will need to be coached up, but those other rookies need work too. Time will tell.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:35 am
Edge rush is the most valuable commodity there is in football. Friedland describes Tryon as an explosive pass rusher with a full repertoire of moves-sounds like he is making the Bucs case for drafting Tryon 32nd pretty well. So what if it takes a year or two of seasoning to read his keys perfectly , as long as he contributes 4-5 sacks and a forced fumble or two. Tryon will get the training he needs from JPP and Bowles to be a difference maker for years to come , so I love the pick.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:35 am
I really don’t see anyone that could’ve been drafted replacing anyone on the offensive side of the ball. Outside of a stud guard or perhaps rb falling to them, I just don’t see it. They seem happy with their rb room and they seem happy with cappa.
Defensive side of the ball, again, who does that person replace and make an immediate impact? D line seems set, same with backers. Perhaps a cb? Again, they seem pretty happy with that side of the ball, too.
So why not get a pass rusher that has potential and can possibly replace JPP in a yr or 2? Get the kid now and let him learn from some great players. Seems like a win/win to me.
“ It is possible the Buccaneers may have missed out on some players who can contribute right away to help defend their Super Bowl crown.” I love when lines like this are thrown in at the end. It’s the ultimate “cover my arse” ending sentence.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:38 am
Your concluding statement is on the mark. Licht has earned the benefit of any doubt on drafts. He has evaluated well the past two years. It seems OK to trust him and his staff on their choices. With every team, some picks don’t work out. We’ll see about Tryon. But I would bet on Licht.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:42 am
He was our top rated guy who was left, and would not have been there in the 2nd round, so WTF ?
I am cool with this pick
May 28th, 2021 at 9:43 am
Friedland is anouther feminine hygiene product who dodesn’t watch games, just reads burble from other pencil necks like himself.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:43 am
Man he looks like Josh Freeman in that pic…
May 28th, 2021 at 9:46 am
Why would anyone consider Tannenbaum a credible source as a talent evaluator with his record as a GM?
May 28th, 2021 at 9:49 am
Trask at 32 was an overdraft. If they like Tryon he would not have been there at 64.
May 28th, 2021 at 9:52 am
Lot of talk that licht would trade down seemed like was perfect opportunity if you were going to draft tryon
May 28th, 2021 at 9:55 am
In fairness, edge guys are among the highest bust % regardless of draft position, a few clicks below QBs.
May 28th, 2021 at 10:01 am
Starting off your career in rehab doesn’t lend itself to confidence either.
May 28th, 2021 at 10:03 am
So he’s explosive with a repertoire of pass rush moves but he’s a project? Those two statements don’t seem to nice with one another
May 28th, 2021 at 10:07 am
The highest priority outside of EDGE was DT but there wasn’t a DT worth a 1st or 2nd round pick this year. The alternative was the Bucs taking Trask in the first like BA mentioned which would have gotten them skewered in the media and by most fans.
I think they made the right selection going DE in the first, and as Joe wrote Licht and his team deserve the benefit of the doubt because since they have gotten control of the draft board they’ve been Lichts out.
May 28th, 2021 at 10:10 am
I think some of our young pass rushers will be very valuable in the 4th quarter of ballgames. Let’s say we are beating Carolina by two or three scores in the fourth. Put in the young guys and get them experience while the starters get some rest off the field. Not saying this is a scenario that will occur every week. But pretty confident there will be spots for Tryon, Davis, and Nelson to get some game day work in.
May 28th, 2021 at 10:18 am
CB Tyson Campbell from Georgia was the first pick of the second round and would have been interesting competition and depth to have as an alternative first round pick.
BTW, PFF just regraded the 2020 draft and gave the Bucs their top A+ grade.
May 28th, 2021 at 10:29 am
He was overdrafted. Could have traded down even till the patriots pick and still draft him.
May 28th, 2021 at 10:30 am
@lambeau – I always wanted a DE in the first, but I really liked both Georgia corners this year. I think they are great football players. I was hoping either Tyson Campbell or Eric Stokes would fall to the bucs in the 2nd round. It was a pipe dream apparently.
May 28th, 2021 at 10:36 am
@MrSandman I bet a trade down from 32 to 38 wouldn’t yield a pick good enough to make it worth it. Licht and BA said themselves that they didn’t trade down because the picks being offered wouldn’t make their roster this year.
May 28th, 2021 at 10:42 am
@CharlieV
Exactly.
In a draft where there was probably only 20 legit 1st round grades, everything else is developmental. This was always going to be a draft about adding developmental depth.
May 28th, 2021 at 11:02 am
OVERDRAFT!!! Go write an article on Trask on the front page of the NY Times, but I am certainly not hating the Tryon pick.
May 28th, 2021 at 11:03 am
It’s easy to say that he would have been there later…..
HITFDSK?
May 28th, 2021 at 11:05 am
It’s not like there is a reward for drafting a player in the perfect spot. You draft a player you hope can play. if they can’t, it’s an overdraft; if they can, it’s an under draft.
The only three players that I can think of in the history of the draft that were picked in the right spot are Peyton Manning, John Elway and Lee Roy Selmon.
May 28th, 2021 at 11:16 am
I thought we may pick Nick Bolton but the Chiefs drafted him while we Took Tryon. I will be interested in comparing those two over the next few seasons.
May 28th, 2021 at 11:23 am
Tryon was not an over-draft. There was a run on DE/Edge rushers after the 20th pick with ~ 5 coming off the board by end of the first round! Beauty is in eye of the beholder but just about every mock draft or player rankings I saw had Tryon being taken late first to mid second! Granted Tryon’s workout likely boosted him up a few spots as compared to his player tape but the kid is really young and missed an entire year. I have no issue with this pick! I do think the Bucs should have taken Marvin Wilson in the 7th round! Talent wise he has at worst 2 or 3rd round talent and was derailed by injuries at FSU his senior year. Wilson easily could have sat behind Suh and learned a lot from him, heal up completely and be ready to stand out in 2 years!
May 28th, 2021 at 11:44 am
I would only agree in the sense that they could have traded back into the early 2nd round and he may have still been available to draft, but if they think he is their guy and there were no good offers to trade back, I am good with where he was picked. I definitely felt we needed some edge rusher depth so I am not unhappy with the selection. I was hoping they would trade up a few spots and get one of the other edge rushers available, but they stayed pat and took BPA edge rusher.
May 28th, 2021 at 11:55 am
He may be this years Justin Evans all the talent, but something just feels off.
I’m rocking with him until he shows me otherwise tho
May 28th, 2021 at 11:57 am
Idiot analysis by Idiot Friedland. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers did not have a weakness on the team. They picked up two developmental players because they have the luxury of depth and they have the luxury of time. Both Tryon and Trask will benefit from being on a team filled with such veterans as JPP, Suh, David, Barrett as well as Todd Bowles’s fine coaching staff.
This is what happens when a team wins a Super Bowl, brings back all of the starters from the Super Bowl and the injured starters who were out for the Super Bowl. Mind us, this is a team that took half a season to gel. All this with a QB in a new system, no off-season programs, limited training camp and still won the Super Bowl.
If they stay healthy or depth holds up again there is another post season run in the cards for the Bucs
May 28th, 2021 at 12:01 pm
How is it an over draft if that is the guy the Bucs Brass wants at that point in the draft, the value of the players they were eyeballing versus what they valued. That’s the what BA said why they took Joe. We will see, time reveals everything. GO BUCS!!!!
May 28th, 2021 at 12:23 pm
I still don’t see the need to draft developmental players so high in the draft, but what ev’s.
May 28th, 2021 at 12:53 pm
He was overdraft according to guys who know 1/1000th about football that our coaches and staff. Only time will tell who’s correct. Only about 50% of draft picks workout according to plan. So, it’s relatively easy to be negative and pretend you know something about selecting the best guys.
May 28th, 2021 at 1:08 pm
Every 1st Rd pick is a 50-50 gamble…
May 28th, 2021 at 2:06 pm
I think any football fan could opine that pick #32 isn’t much better than a mid-second round pick, and he or she would be right every single freaking year. Usually draft depth comes in tiers, the “true first rounders” usually last from the very early teens to maybe early to mid 20s in any given draft year. When you’re at #32 you are either looking at a “safe” pick without much of a ceiling, or a developmental player with a higher projected ceiling.
This isn’t exactly rocket science, these insipid “well I thought this late round first pick coulda been a second round pick” are one of those evergreen articles you read every year, always penned by an outsider who is as clueless as the rest of us. The other evergreen article is “The coaching staff cannot get enough of (insert first or second round pick name here). The kid is just amazing!”
May 28th, 2021 at 2:08 pm
Yesterday’s news. We got Tryon and he’s alright prospect and position. We could have gone many ways (JOK and Perkins) but I think Tryon may work just fine. Trask on the other hand, well let’s hope for the best
May 28th, 2021 at 2:28 pm
The pick was in so dam fast that it was Obvious to the World that Tryon was their guy!
So some pencil neck geek who has never even played football much less coached it is calling the SuperBowl winning GM an idiot.
Never gets old! ?)
May 28th, 2021 at 4:00 pm
We have a bigger need than edge rusher depth and continuity? I’d love to know what those are. Garbage take.
May 28th, 2021 at 4:03 pm
That said, I’m not confident in Tryon.
May 28th, 2021 at 4:42 pm
Pretty sure Tannenbaum went on record and said the Bucs would not suit Tom Brady and the Bucs wouldnt make the playoffs last year. So I am not listening to Tannenbaum. If he was a great GM he would still be a GM.
May 28th, 2021 at 7:19 pm
Bucs didn’t want someone that could start right away because of JPP. They made the right choice he will be good after time.
May 28th, 2021 at 7:53 pm
I liked his teammate Better Levi onziwuike could have filled suh role next year also preferred Cisco second round but tryon could end being real good
May 28th, 2021 at 9:49 pm
SC Bucs Fan Says:
May 28th, 2021 at 9:49 am
Trask at 32 was an overdraft. If they like Tryon he would not have been there at 64.
Trask was an overdraft at 64…FTFY
May 28th, 2021 at 10:20 pm
With JPP‘s age and Suh’s age, I figured edge rusher or DT. Hairdresser was the much deeper position in this draft.
I expect him to definitely get in the rotation, give JPP and Shaq some breathers throughout this long year
May 28th, 2021 at 10:34 pm
Players miss a year due to injury and come back all the time. Not worried about him. More worried we may have wasted a 2nd round pick on a noodle arm QB though.
May 29th, 2021 at 1:57 am
” he will likely start the season in a rotational role”
OH REALLY??? I thought he was going to beat out Shaq or JPP and start!!!!
May 29th, 2021 at 7:36 am
@mitch the original patriots pick was 47,they give two 4th pick to go up s little bit. So bucs could get a 4th round just to get down a little bit and then two 4th to go to 47. Even two 4th straight with patriots was good enough deal in my opinion.