I like the general direction of this draft. It shows a plan, which is great. You never knew if your plan works out, but as they say ‘Prediction is very difficult, especially if it’s about the future!’
The only pick I’d like to change ist Mr. Irrelevant. I’d have prefered the Aussie Punter to have camp competition for Pinion as LBs are IMHO easier to get in the UDFA-pool.
Every single player drafted was selected to play a role that they appear capable of. Backups, Depth, Special Teams……an excellent draft.
Speed, Character, Toughness
I thought it was an excellent draft also TBBF. I never expect anything from the Rnd 5-7 picks (gravy), but look mainly at the Rnds 1-4 choices. Half of those were trench beasts in Joe Tryon & Robert Hainsey; love it. We grabbed a potential future QB in Kyle Trask & a potential dynamic kick returner in Jaelon Darden. Now for the hard part: developing them into actual contributors.
As usual, most of us didn’t even come close to guessing what JL would do and as usual (since 2017) very happy with his selection.
He’s not jettisoning the future for the “win now” crowd, but instead making sure that we have a great foundation for after the Tommy Party ends.
Anytime you completely waste your first 2 picks, and don’t kid yourself thats exactly what Licht did, you had a bad draft. But there were also some solid pickups that should be able to fill the role they were drafted to fill.
Joe Tryon – Workout warrior with a great body and bad tape. Ton of technique issues need to be fixed in order for him to reach his ceiling of a 6-8 sacks a year.
Kyle Trask – Below average arm by NFL standards, no physical upside, career back up. And dont get me started on his “accuracy and processing.” See for yourself how horrible they were against Oklahoma when he couldnt just chuck ot up to Pitts and Toney. NFL defenses will eat this guy alive.
Robert Hainsey – Bad body good tape. The anti Joe Tryon. Showed at the senior bowl that he’s a technician with the versatility to play 4 positions on the line.
Jaelon Darden – Fast, explosive, shifty, great cuts, good hands, not great return numbers in college but has all the tools to be a great one and he adds some potency to our screen game.
KJ Britt – hard hitting special teams ace with poor speed and agility. Personally I’d have taken someone with better athletic scores and upside (of which their were several still left on the board) but its a 5th round pick for special teams. Can’t complain too much.
Chris Wilcox – Gunner with serious speed and read a stat where he hadnt missed a tackle in a crazy number of attempts. Solid pick up in the 6th.
Grant Stuard – another guy who will make his living on special teams. More upside than Britt, plays with his hair on fire, but needs to not miss as many tackles as he does.
Overall pretty solid picks outside of the 1st 2 which completely sucked IMO. Only time will tell how good this class actually is.
Lol Rod Munch … no fast forward 4 year disclaimer… run your mouth like you normally do. You never waited 4 years to cram Jameis down everyone psyche , what is the over under on quarters into the year before his first interception and number of games before he is benched?
I fully realize that. But the Bucs also have to play against NFL defenses. Not college defense where maybe at best up to 4 out of 11 guys on the field will go on to be average/good NFL players and the other 7 will be busts or never even see the NFL at all.
There is no comparison between the NFL and the SEC either so don’t even start with that crap.
‘A’ for me. In my mind, just taking into account that we had no holes to fill, how do you truly grade it?
Yeah, we may not all agree on the names but we filled all the right positions. As always, time will tell the tale.
Fun draft for me because I never really could guess. And picking LAST instead of top 10?! YES, PLEASE, and THANK YOU!
DingleBerry: My point was that Trask will have plenty of people to “throw it up to” on the Bucs. You don’t honestly believe a QB could complete 68.9% of passes with 43 TD’s by just throwing it up in the air, do you?
I have no idea if Trask will be good in the NFL. Neither do you. I’d say his chances are better of succeeding in the situation he will be in than most QB’s who come in the league (talented teammates, coaching, winning atmosphere).
Dude clearly you being overly literal. My point was he was able to take advantage college defenses comprised largely of future UPS drivers by throwing or “chucking it up” to 2 legitimate 1st round NFL talents.
As I stated before. Quarterbacking in the NFL means you have to play against NFL defense. And they will eat Trask alive.
Jameis had pretty much the same weapons Brady did minus Gronk and that didnt stop him from throwing 30 interceptions. And Trask isn’t anywhere near as talented as James so if he stinks it up, he’s not gonna get many more chances to stink it up again before he is permanently seated on the bench.
If Trask is “no good “ it only cost the last pick in the second round.
If he can play like he did in college it only cost the last pick in the second round
Trask faced far more competitive schemes, defenses and athletes in the SEC, than JW has ever scene. And, at least he’s no theif, rapist or really just an overall p.o.s. like Winston is. So yeah, major upgrade from that
You see, it’s when you say things like you just did that people lost any respect for your opinion because you have zero idea what you’re talking about.
The SEC does not even remotely compare to the NFL. There used to be a College Football vs NFL all star game and they had to cancel it in 1976 because the many members of the illustrious and vaunted “Steel Curtain” defense nearly killed the poor college kids.
The NFL for a long time now has operated on completely different level of competition than any college program. The worst NFL team would destroy the best college team 100 out of 100 times.
And Jameis Winston, like him, loathe him or otherwise be disinterested in him, produced 19,812 yards 121 TD to 88 Interceptions in addition to 1,038 yards rushing and 10 rushing TD’s. Against real, legitimate NFL defenses.
And I’m willing to bet Kyle Trask won’t come close to being as productive as Jameis by the time their careers come to an end.
I think Trask will do fine, but will take some time. Don’t know if his future will be here, but hope it is. I still have a bad taste from drafted QBs here.
Tryon will be in rotation from day 1.
The rest of the draft seemed to be based on possibilities and not anything particularly factual.
Lol, your funny. I’m comparing the conferences they played in and your trying to give a dissertation on the differences between college and NFL. Compose yourself be for you lose your sh!t maybe, dingle berry.
“Trask faced far more competitive schemes, defenses and athletes in the SEC, than JW has ever scene.”
1. You spelled seen incorrectly.
2. You specifically said EVER. No specification to his days in the ACC.
3. If you mean to say something, say that then.
4. There are roughly 1,190 players in the SEC every year
5. As of 2019 there were 339 players from the SEC on an NFL roster.
6. The vast majority of players in the SEC will never sniff an NFL roster.
7. SEC teams don’t play exclusively against other SEC teams and routinely lose to teams in other conferences.
8. Scouting/Evaluating a player based on production and ignoring the actual tape/abilities of the player is a fools errand and will get you burned far more often than not.
DingleBerry was dropped on his head as a baby and it shows. I know very little about college football as I don’t watch it. So, I give JL an A- for luck and doing a good job getting us the players we need.
Nobody can say who will succeed in the NFL.
50% of first rounders are busts, even worse
for quarterbacks. Avg career is 3.5 years.
Draft is a total crap shoot. Plenty of HOFs in late rounds or UDFAs.
May 2nd, 2021 at 12:59 am
I’m going with “B+”. And thats mainly because it seems/sounds like the Bucs got most of the players that they had targeted.
Anytime you draft 2 line players in the first 3 picks – you are doing exactly what should be done in most drafts.
It all starts up front – with pass rushers and pass protectors…….
May 2nd, 2021 at 1:08 am
I’ll be able to give a more accurate grade in 4 years.
May 2nd, 2021 at 3:45 am
I like the general direction of this draft. It shows a plan, which is great. You never knew if your plan works out, but as they say ‘Prediction is very difficult, especially if it’s about the future!’
The only pick I’d like to change ist Mr. Irrelevant. I’d have prefered the Aussie Punter to have camp competition for Pinion as LBs are IMHO easier to get in the UDFA-pool.
May 2nd, 2021 at 5:19 am
I went B-. The more I read about this Hainsey kid, the more I like him.
May 2nd, 2021 at 6:47 am
Every single player drafted was selected to play a role that they appear capable of. Backups, Depth, Special Teams……an excellent draft.
Speed, Character, Toughness
May 2nd, 2021 at 7:25 am
Looks like a very good draft to me. Fits the roster. Won’t know much until a season or two.
May 2nd, 2021 at 7:27 am
I thought it was an excellent draft also TBBF. I never expect anything from the Rnd 5-7 picks (gravy), but look mainly at the Rnds 1-4 choices. Half of those were trench beasts in Joe Tryon & Robert Hainsey; love it. We grabbed a potential future QB in Kyle Trask & a potential dynamic kick returner in Jaelon Darden. Now for the hard part: developing them into actual contributors.
May 2nd, 2021 at 7:46 am
As usual, most of us didn’t even come close to guessing what JL would do and as usual (since 2017) very happy with his selection.
He’s not jettisoning the future for the “win now” crowd, but instead making sure that we have a great foundation for after the Tommy Party ends.
Great job Mr. Licht!
May 2nd, 2021 at 7:55 am
We can grade now. And it will be nothing more than a guess and wishful thinking.
In three years we will know the truth.
On paper with all the starters returning, it was about depth and it looks like the Bucs got who they wanted.
Jason has seemed to have figured it out in the last few drafts. After winning the Super Bowl I guess I can finally forgive him for the Roberto pick.
May 2nd, 2021 at 7:57 am
I gave them an A and have nothing to complain about. Loved the Tryon and Darden picks.
May 2nd, 2021 at 8:01 am
I saw draft team grades from B- to A
My only criticism was hainsey instead of quinn meinerz but again we know division 3 schools and we passed so i trust coaches here
But meinerz was second round – early third round talent so it could have flipped the trask pick hypothetically to the third
Im cool with trask though. Got to develop some young qb and hope he is ready for whenever brady retires.
May 2nd, 2021 at 8:13 am
I’m on the fence between D+ and C-
Anytime you completely waste your first 2 picks, and don’t kid yourself thats exactly what Licht did, you had a bad draft. But there were also some solid pickups that should be able to fill the role they were drafted to fill.
Joe Tryon – Workout warrior with a great body and bad tape. Ton of technique issues need to be fixed in order for him to reach his ceiling of a 6-8 sacks a year.
Kyle Trask – Below average arm by NFL standards, no physical upside, career back up. And dont get me started on his “accuracy and processing.” See for yourself how horrible they were against Oklahoma when he couldnt just chuck ot up to Pitts and Toney. NFL defenses will eat this guy alive.
Robert Hainsey – Bad body good tape. The anti Joe Tryon. Showed at the senior bowl that he’s a technician with the versatility to play 4 positions on the line.
Jaelon Darden – Fast, explosive, shifty, great cuts, good hands, not great return numbers in college but has all the tools to be a great one and he adds some potency to our screen game.
KJ Britt – hard hitting special teams ace with poor speed and agility. Personally I’d have taken someone with better athletic scores and upside (of which their were several still left on the board) but its a 5th round pick for special teams. Can’t complain too much.
Chris Wilcox – Gunner with serious speed and read a stat where he hadnt missed a tackle in a crazy number of attempts. Solid pick up in the 6th.
Grant Stuard – another guy who will make his living on special teams. More upside than Britt, plays with his hair on fire, but needs to not miss as many tackles as he does.
Overall pretty solid picks outside of the 1st 2 which completely sucked IMO. Only time will tell how good this class actually is.
May 2nd, 2021 at 8:19 am
DingleBerry: You do realize that the Bucs have more offensive weapons than the Florida Gators, right?
May 2nd, 2021 at 8:28 am
Lol Rod Munch … no fast forward 4 year disclaimer… run your mouth like you normally do. You never waited 4 years to cram Jameis down everyone psyche , what is the over under on quarters into the year before his first interception and number of games before he is benched?
May 2nd, 2021 at 8:39 am
Joe in Michigan
I fully realize that. But the Bucs also have to play against NFL defenses. Not college defense where maybe at best up to 4 out of 11 guys on the field will go on to be average/good NFL players and the other 7 will be busts or never even see the NFL at all.
There is no comparison between the NFL and the SEC either so don’t even start with that crap.
May 2nd, 2021 at 8:41 am
‘A’ for me. In my mind, just taking into account that we had no holes to fill, how do you truly grade it?
Yeah, we may not all agree on the names but we filled all the right positions. As always, time will tell the tale.
Fun draft for me because I never really could guess. And picking LAST instead of top 10?! YES, PLEASE, and THANK YOU!
May 2nd, 2021 at 8:47 am
DingleBerry: My point was that Trask will have plenty of people to “throw it up to” on the Bucs. You don’t honestly believe a QB could complete 68.9% of passes with 43 TD’s by just throwing it up in the air, do you?
I have no idea if Trask will be good in the NFL. Neither do you. I’d say his chances are better of succeeding in the situation he will be in than most QB’s who come in the league (talented teammates, coaching, winning atmosphere).
May 2nd, 2021 at 8:54 am
Dude clearly you being overly literal. My point was he was able to take advantage college defenses comprised largely of future UPS drivers by throwing or “chucking it up” to 2 legitimate 1st round NFL talents.
As I stated before. Quarterbacking in the NFL means you have to play against NFL defense. And they will eat Trask alive.
Jameis had pretty much the same weapons Brady did minus Gronk and that didnt stop him from throwing 30 interceptions. And Trask isn’t anywhere near as talented as James so if he stinks it up, he’s not gonna get many more chances to stink it up again before he is permanently seated on the bench.
May 2nd, 2021 at 8:56 am
If Trask is “no good “ it only cost the last pick in the second round.
If he can play like he did in college it only cost the last pick in the second round
May 2nd, 2021 at 9:42 am
The drafted a QB that will never start a game in the NFL. D+
May 2nd, 2021 at 10:25 am
I’m far more confident in Trasks decision making than Jameis Winstons, on the field and in life.
May 2nd, 2021 at 10:39 am
Trask faced far more competitive schemes, defenses and athletes in the SEC, than JW has ever scene. And, at least he’s no theif, rapist or really just an overall p.o.s. like Winston is. So yeah, major upgrade from that
May 2nd, 2021 at 12:00 pm
@Jerry R Jones
You see, it’s when you say things like you just did that people lost any respect for your opinion because you have zero idea what you’re talking about.
The SEC does not even remotely compare to the NFL. There used to be a College Football vs NFL all star game and they had to cancel it in 1976 because the many members of the illustrious and vaunted “Steel Curtain” defense nearly killed the poor college kids.
The NFL for a long time now has operated on completely different level of competition than any college program. The worst NFL team would destroy the best college team 100 out of 100 times.
And Jameis Winston, like him, loathe him or otherwise be disinterested in him, produced 19,812 yards 121 TD to 88 Interceptions in addition to 1,038 yards rushing and 10 rushing TD’s. Against real, legitimate NFL defenses.
And I’m willing to bet Kyle Trask won’t come close to being as productive as Jameis by the time their careers come to an end.
May 2nd, 2021 at 12:04 pm
DB … if Trask wins he’ll have better stats than Jameis
May 2nd, 2021 at 12:10 pm
B+
I think Trask will do fine, but will take some time. Don’t know if his future will be here, but hope it is. I still have a bad taste from drafted QBs here.
Tryon will be in rotation from day 1.
The rest of the draft seemed to be based on possibilities and not anything particularly factual.
May 2nd, 2021 at 12:32 pm
Lol, your funny. I’m comparing the conferences they played in and your trying to give a dissertation on the differences between college and NFL. Compose yourself be for you lose your sh!t maybe, dingle berry.
And the NFL is packed with SEC players.
May 2nd, 2021 at 1:14 pm
“Trask faced far more competitive schemes, defenses and athletes in the SEC, than JW has ever scene.”
1. You spelled seen incorrectly.
2. You specifically said EVER. No specification to his days in the ACC.
3. If you mean to say something, say that then.
4. There are roughly 1,190 players in the SEC every year
5. As of 2019 there were 339 players from the SEC on an NFL roster.
6. The vast majority of players in the SEC will never sniff an NFL roster.
7. SEC teams don’t play exclusively against other SEC teams and routinely lose to teams in other conferences.
8. Scouting/Evaluating a player based on production and ignoring the actual tape/abilities of the player is a fools errand and will get you burned far more often than not.
9. Kyle Trask will be a career backup in the NFL.
10. I’m not mad you’re just an idiot.
May 2nd, 2021 at 2:05 pm
Dingleberry’s opinions matter as much as well…his name. Tire of seeing you post here man.
May 2nd, 2021 at 2:19 pm
DingleBerry was dropped on his head as a baby and it shows. I know very little about college football as I don’t watch it. So, I give JL an A- for luck and doing a good job getting us the players we need.
May 2nd, 2021 at 2:38 pm
Lol congratulations on being tired of seeing my posts. You want a cookie?
And orl, stick to professing your ignorance, that’s definitely your strong suit.
May 2nd, 2021 at 4:57 pm
The first two picks were A+ and the rest were B or B- on a couple, so B+ is a good grade.
May 2nd, 2021 at 7:57 pm
Nobody can say who will succeed in the NFL.
50% of first rounders are busts, even worse
for quarterbacks. Avg career is 3.5 years.
Draft is a total crap shoot. Plenty of HOFs in late rounds or UDFAs.
May 3rd, 2021 at 9:40 am
9. Kyle Trask will be a career backup in the NFL.
Just like JW….lol…
trask is the perfect QB to sit behind brady….look at his UGA film..or bama film…auburn film…lsu film….ole miss film…ta&m film….then get back to me….
GO BUCS!!!!