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May 4th, 2021
Bucs edge rusher Joe Tryon.
Now Joe understands some folks out there are triggered by the fact Joe Tryon sat out last year due to The Sickness.
Joe cannot blame a guy for that. Remember that the PAC-12, where football just doesn’t mean much, took the lead of the pansy-azz Big 10 and initially canceled its season. So Tryon decided he would then focus on training for the draft and for turning pro. When he changed his mind — after the PAC-12 decided to resume its season — and tried to go back to school, it was too late, Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht mentioned on Thursday night.
Tryon, just based on his 2019 numbers, seemed as if he had just turned the corner. His first six games in 2019, Tryon seemed like just a guy (JAG). But then the light turned on.
In his last seven games, Tryon averaged a sack a game. That’s damn good.
Joe is going to guess Tryon will have to shake rust off in training camp since he won’t have played in pads in nearly two years. Just judging by his gamelogs, Tryon sure seemed as if he got it about halfway through the 2019 season.
May 4th, 2021 at 9:16 am
Like the pick…..simply needs time to develop…..great depth along with Nelson.
I also like the way we’ve got some classmates or at least players from the same school.
Dean, Davis, Britt
Vea, Tryon
White, Fournette, Minter
Need to find a player from Hobart for Marpet & Humbolt St. for Cappa
May 4th, 2021 at 9:18 am
Tryon said that in his missing year that he did much more than lift and run, he worked out with NFL pros working on the tricks of the trade. Getting to or near a NFL QB is very difficult, hence the sacks and pressures from the very best, so factor that in when he doesn’t get a sack in his first game or is neutralized by NFL offensive lineman.
Fingers crossed that the pick works out, most never live up to their college stats, reality check!
May 4th, 2021 at 9:18 am
Tryon is a great pick, especially at #32.
May 4th, 2021 at 9:21 am
That’s true but nothing beats being on the field in a game. Supposedly, that’s why the NFL shoves those satanic and wicked preseason games down our throats.
May 4th, 2021 at 9:22 am
I didn’t know that about him.
I don’t like it on principle but the way it’s being explained makes it sound a lot better to me.
Sounds like he used his time off wisely and I hope he’s ready to go.
May 4th, 2021 at 9:24 am
As someone on this board pointed out, if he had played that last year he probably wouldn’t have lasted until pick 32. So, advantage Bucs. He was our number one need/want. A great selection, imo. Time to develop. High ceiling.
May 4th, 2021 at 9:24 am
Forgot about Winfield & Johnson from Minn
May 4th, 2021 at 9:25 am
And Nelson & Wirfs.
May 4th, 2021 at 9:27 am
So he sat out a year, I am not going to make a character judgment call on a 22 year old for that. Unprecedented times. Now, when it came to drafting him, yes it would have given me pause because to Joe just pointed out, nothing beats game experience. That said, he is now part of the team, so water under the bridge and let’s watch this dude become a beast. I don’t think him sitting out somehow equates to a lack of passion for the game or not being a hard worker.
May 4th, 2021 at 9:29 am
He said he spent time training with Cliff Avril who averaged 8 sacks a year in his career. Not bad company.
I hope JPP takes to mentoring him versus having to learn from just watching. I know he is a great teammate, but he seems to have it out for rookies/young players. For instance the ice tub incident in New York, and his reaction to Cam Gil getting half a sack in the SB. Could be reading that wrong.
May 4th, 2021 at 9:32 am
Do we not have a single Alabama or Clemson player on our roster currently?! The 2 best teams in all of CFB for the last decade (don’t think any Ohio State players either….
I didn’t research it, but I can’t think of any off the top of my head 🤯
May 4th, 2021 at 9:41 am
OJ Howard played for Alabama.
May 4th, 2021 at 9:50 am
JGhotier, OJ howard alabama, Bradley pinion clemson
May 4th, 2021 at 9:50 am
just off the top of my head but im sure there is more
May 4th, 2021 at 9:50 am
Literally spent the entire year training specifically for the draft but people get their panties in a bunch when I call him what he is, a workout warrior.
And it’s fitting that he would choose Cliff Avril to train him. Because if literally everything goes right for Tryon and he becomes the best possible player he can be, his absolute ceiling is a 6-8 sacks a year guy.
And to think we could have had Ojulari who is damn near a perfect clone of Shaq Barrett.
May 4th, 2021 at 9:58 am
Except ojulari weighs less than Devin White at 240. Not much of a clone…
May 4th, 2021 at 10:04 am
Shaq Barrett – 6’2 249
Azeez Ojulari – 6’2 249
Devin White – 6’0 238
Google is your friend.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:04 am
DingleBerry I hear the Saints are looking for new fans. I can forward you an application.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:06 am
Nope. I’ll be over how much i don’t like our 1st 2 picks in a couple days.
But as I’ve state numerous times, despite my protests I’m still rooting for these guys, and I still have every confidence that the Bucs will become back to back Super Bowl champions.
Just because you love and support a team doesn’t mean you have to be a blind homer and agree with every personnel decision.
Go Bucs.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:10 am
Seeing #9 on defense is going to remind me of Bobby Boucher…lol
May 4th, 2021 at 10:11 am
@skbucsfan and evolving Bucs fan,
Can’t believe I forgot about OJ! I’m disappointed in myself
I still wonder if 2 players total out of those 3 schools combined is the least in the NFL…
May 4th, 2021 at 10:15 am
@DingleBerry – I was all in for Ojulari too, but apparently there is significant concern about his knee that he tore his ACL in during his senior year of high school and how long it will be able to hold up in the NFL. I read that the renowned surgeon James Andrews evaluated his knee and said it was strong and structurally sound, but team doctors didn’t share the same opinion for some reason.
I also think the bucs drafted Tryon over Ojulari because his body length and size is more like JPP, and JPP is more likely to leave or retire before Shaq does.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:25 am
Maybe Trask will work, maybe he won’t. Smarter people than me made that decision. I just know since he was picked I’ve been rooting for him to be excellent. No reason not to. Same with all our picks. Would I have picked different? Yes. But I’m a dentist.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:26 am
Regarding him training with Cliff Avril, Chuck Smith is one of the most renowned defensive line trainers in the business. Statistically Avril had a better career than Smith. Both of them had a couple of double-digit sack seasons. It’ll be interesting to see how that training works out.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:29 am
SC, Yes, that’s been the point several of us have been trying to make. Smarter people than you, me, and yes even dingle have made these decisions before and continue to make them now. I trust them since they’ve had a good deal of success, especially lately. Will they hit on all picks? Of course not. But I don’t want to crucify some guy when the ink is still drying on his selection card. As a fan of the team, what’s the point in that? I remain hopeful.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:34 am
This is probably where the luxary of returing all our starters and returning as Champions comes into play. We could afford to take the risk knowing it might take Tryon longer to get up to speed.
Most GMs cant do that. They gotta take a guy who can make an immediate impact. They need guys who can help them win. The Bucs already got their guys.
Almost the same with the Trask pick where most teams cant afford to draft a QB they plan to not even think about using…….Most teams are building in some way or shape to their starting roster. Bucs were in a very unique position where we only had to build for depth……top picks was Edge, QB, and OL. Three pretty good ideas to adress your depth.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:49 am
berry
why are you calling them wasted picks?….
if you think/know we’ll be back to back champs, why are you so pissed we drafted players that could help us become 4x champs?…
quick question….hurricane season is right around the corner…are you going to stock up on water now so you dont get caught with you pants down?….or are you going to wait until its time to evacuate before you buy water?….
#stockpile!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!
May 4th, 2021 at 10:51 am
Dingleberry says:
“Just because you love and support a team doesn’t mean you have to be a blind homer and agree with every personnel decision.”
Sure – but it also doesn’t mean you should b!tch and whine and howl and moan about how terrible our 1st and 2nd rd prospects are on every single thread either.
May 4th, 2021 at 10:55 am
Dingleberry kudos on all your draft training. Thats pretty hardcore bro.
But always keep in mind as a fan we can only take our evaluations so far. Because we miss out on one of the most vital parts of the process. The interviews. We can only learn so much looking at film. We really have no clue who these guys are as actual people. And that matters a lot. Perhaps most of all………We all got our opinions but Im a firm believer in the intangables.
What a guys got in his gut is a huge factor on why the draft is such a crapshoot. I seen you compared a guy to Shaq Barrett, well look no further then where Barrett was drafted…..He didnt get where he is based on film he got there cause he got that something extra in his belly……..So when you say a guy is trash before hes been tested you should expect blowback from fans……You may of watched your film but plenty of us been around a long ass time and know you cant never predetermine how good a player without first seeing how much heart and grit hes got burning within.
The power of will always Trumps talent!!
GO BUCS!!!
May 4th, 2021 at 10:59 am
Can’t blame a Washington guy. Our governor has worked hard from day 1 to convince us we will all die if we leave our homes.
May 4th, 2021 at 11:00 am
@pick
That’s certainly a different description of what I’ve been doing than I would give, but to each their own. You do you and I’ll do me.
May 4th, 2021 at 11:07 am
Here is IMO what separates trolls from fans who disagree with a personnel decision.
A fan who disagrees with a personnel decision roots for the player anyway and hopes he is wrong.
A troll hopes the player fails just so he can be right.
May 4th, 2021 at 11:28 am
“that the PAC-12, where football just doesn’t mean much …”
Hey Joe,
Remind me which team absolutely embarrassed your Winston and FSU in the first college playoff game?
May 4th, 2021 at 11:33 am
Dingle’s mostly just commenting on the articles that Joe’s putting out which happen to be many about Tryon and Trask. It’s not like he’s going off topic like I do all the time.
I enjoy the banter back and forth….so carry on.
Go Bucs!!!
May 4th, 2021 at 11:49 am
i wonder if dingle likes the first two picks from this draft? i cant wait to hear what he has to say about it and hear his wonderful input….
May 4th, 2021 at 12:32 pm
Fact is, you don’t get SEC-standard of coaching in the PAC=12, it’s a pansy league, look for Todd Bowles and his staff to coach this kid up!
May 4th, 2021 at 1:00 pm
Wish a posts were in simplified view
May 4th, 2021 at 1:23 pm
I want to know what was Dingleberry’s previous user name. I feel pretty sure that this is ndog the troll. It sounds just like him. I thought we got rid of that guy.
May 4th, 2021 at 2:48 pm
TOM EDRINGTON Says:
Fact is, you don’t get SEC-standard of coaching in the PAC=12, it’s a pansy league
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There is some general truth to that statement – but the specifics of this particular situation are the opposite.
The Bucs have drafted TWO 1st round Defenders from Washington in the last 4 years primarily BECAUSE of the coaching that Vea and Tryon received.
Now head coach and former Huskies Defensive Coordinator Jimmy Lake was a DB coach with the Buccaneers for 4 years total on two separate occasions. “06>’07 under Chucky/Monte and ’10>’11 under Raheem.
Washington leads their conference in Defense every year since Lake took over the D – and has been top 10 or top 20 nationally pretty much every year as well.
So those Husky defenders have been getting excellent coaching going back to Vea’s freshman year.
And I can pretty well guarantee that the Bucs are taking full advantage of that previous association with Lake. Likely getting better, more in depth “info” about these Washington players they drafted with 1st round picks than might normally be expected.
May 4th, 2021 at 5:35 pm
Someone please explain how anyone in their right mind would judge someone’s character on whether or not anyone played the 2020 sickness season. Isn’t this a personal family health decision?
I get judging the players who quit on their teams because they weren’t playing in the bowl game they wanted. Like the ones that didn’t play in the cotton bowl because they lost the sec championship game. But I haven’t heard that mentioned.
May 4th, 2021 at 5:45 pm
Pickgrin-
That’s all very true. Did you hear the story On PR podcast about the discussion they had with Jimmy Lake. At the time they had the Bucs taking Onwuzurike their DT in the first and Tryon in the 2nd. Lake told them they need to flip it and went in to say they need to moved up into the low 50s to get Onwuzurike. Exactly what happened.
I’ve never even been to Washington state and I always watch the huskies because of Jimmy Lake.
May 4th, 2021 at 7:51 pm
You got a dud at 32, wait and see!