Gerald McCoy And Ndamukong Suh
February 28th, 2021
Still getting shat on.
Joe didn’t think it could happen, but it did.
Long-time radio dudes and sports columnists usually have a schtick. Meaning, when there is nothing else happening they can go back to the well and rehash a subject time and again.
Soon, this person, even after retiring, is known for this schtick.
For example, the sports voice of reason, Phil Mushnick of the New York Post, was known for crucifying sports radio kingpin Mike Francesa in nearly every column. Mushnick struggled to write without at least a throwaway line kicking Francesa in the shins.
Even though Francesa retired about a year ago, Mushnick still digs up something he said years ago and then goes after Francesa again. LOL
Locally, Ian Beckles is that way. The former Bucs guard and current popular sports radio personality damn near made a career on hammering former Bucs defensive tackle Gerald McCoy.
Some of the things Beckles said might have had merit, but he lost all credibility when he was going off on McCoy because Beckles basically thought GMC was another offsides-jumping, Lightning-trolling, belly-shirt-wearing, practice-hating, kicker-heckling, tree-grinding , non-contact-football-loving, chicken-wings-grilling, playing-time-squawking, TV-cooking-star, half-sack Swaggy Baker.
And like Mushnick who sometimes has to reach deep into the past to whack Francesa upside the head, Beckles in his podcast “In the Trenches” found a way to unload on GMC (again) when discussing the Bucs’ Super Bowl-winning defense — even though GMC hasn’t played a snap with the Bucs since the end of the 2018 season.
Beckles believes a free agent who may be as important to keep as Bucs sack king Shaq Barrett or linebacker Lavonte David is defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh.
“You know why we won a Super Bowl? Dee-fense,” Beckles said. “It was defense. Ndamukong Suh mentality-wise is important to bring back.
“I’ve talked about mentality for years. Everyone wanted to be hugged up by Gerald McCoy. Now you see the difference in mentality? Now you have a defensive tackle who is knocking the sh!t out of Aaron Rodgers instead of picking him up off the ground and apologizing. That ain’t the way you build a defense, people.”
Joe gets what Beckles is saying, but man, how many dudes are starting on the Bucs defense that were around when GMC started? Joe can think of seven (Jordan Whitehead, Rakeem Nuñez-Roches, Carlton Davis, Vita Vea, Will Gholston, Jason Pierre-Paul and David.)
C’mon, Ian.
That’s almost as bad as Joe continuing to refer to the Bucs letting go of Michael Bennett for no good reason.
Oh, wait.
As always, Beckles welcomes feedback and encourages listeners to submit Bucs questions by e-mailing him at IanBeckles@RadioInfluence.com.
Enjoy yesterday’s Ira Kaufman Podcast, presented by Bill Currie Ford.
February 28th, 2021 at 8:11 am
Beckles was right…..McCoy was questioned in his own locker room for not having enough “dog” in him. When it came to run defense, particularly in the clutch, teams would run right at him for success. Those are moments you have to win on defense….its sets a tone.
February 28th, 2021 at 8:14 am
Nothing Beck said was incorrect. McCrybaby was and still continues to be lauded buy the Bucs media because he wasn’t a jerk to them like Sapp was. Watch the tape Suh is just flat out a better player and ALWAYS has been.
February 28th, 2021 at 8:14 am
I agree with Ian Beckles 100%.
Everyone knows McCoy was soft.
February 28th, 2021 at 8:19 am
Been saying this.
February 28th, 2021 at 8:24 am
Wait for it. Any minute now we will get the obligatory “I can’t stand Beckles but in this instance he was spot on!” You guys all should admit Beckles is damn good and his takes are usually on point. He was a little harsh on GMC during his time here because the team around was basically trash, but in a way he was right. We needed guys that had bad intentions out there and would not laugh it up after a game with the opposing QB that had just humiliated him and his teammates.
February 28th, 2021 at 8:33 am
Joe barking up that sad, soft tree.
Kimonos, hugs and comic books for all my men.
Sorry Ben, my bad.
Let’s have fun!
February 28th, 2021 at 8:38 am
I agree with Ian Beckles about Suh.
Suh has a whole different attitude than McCoy did.
Yes, Suh has stopped stepping on opposing players heads, but deep down inside, he still wants to!
February 28th, 2021 at 8:45 am
Excellent example of the difference. I always lied McCoy, I just didn’t think he was anywhere as effective as Suh has been . But I didn’t want to ship him off because he helps people up. But I clearly see now that Suh’s nasty behavior does likely get in the QBs head. Giving the QB a helping hand at the end of the whistle makes him feel good about you and likely helps them shake off the scary factor of the opponent.
Need the smack talk and walk all game .
February 28th, 2021 at 8:47 am
Ok, fine Joe – I understand your perspective but I’m taking Suh 100 times out of 100 and it’s not even close. I appreciate McCoy for being a bucs fan and repping Tampa and all that just the way he is to me, from afar, even during interviews he’s just kinda…ugh. Ugh is the only thing I can thing of. Not a tough guy, doesn’t clog up a hole anywhere near Suh can, run defense is INFINITELY more stout and I like a bit of mean and nasty. McCoy is pretty much a big ol goof ball that dresses up as Batman and licks ice cream cones
February 28th, 2021 at 8:54 am
The front 6 that the Bucs defense had last season was one of the most dominant in the NFL but each player required the others.
Vea was a classic example. When he was out, the front 6 was just good. When Vita came back they got scary good.
I want nasty dogs on defense. And they were nasty.
As for GMC now that the Bucs won a Superbowl and GMC’s time with the Bucs was in the lull between Lombardi’s. Like it or not whither it is deserved or not. GMC will always be associated with LOSING.
February 28th, 2021 at 8:57 am
I liked McCoy but He’s just like winston all talk in the camera. But know action on the field kick rocks.
February 28th, 2021 at 9:05 am
Joes
I got one better then michael bennet.
Thats almost as bad as joe continuing to refer to jameis winston as americas quarterback and mr entertainment or mr excitement (whatever that nickname was)
😂
February 28th, 2021 at 9:06 am
Ian is 100% correct. GMC is a nice guy, not the nasty DT we need or ever needed. He’s never going to have as many rings as Suh.
February 28th, 2021 at 9:06 am
It’s hard to argue Beckles’ point. For perspective though, GMC wouldn’t have fit in this defense anyway!
IMO there is no comparing the two. Suh is hands-down the better “ALL-AROUND” DT.
February 28th, 2021 at 9:11 am
mccoy is a nice guy…
nice guys say things like “golly gee” and “aww shucks” and “gosh”…
suh has a fairly refined manner to his speak, yet i don’t think i’ve ever hear him say “golly gee”…
the days of watching or being gomer pyle have long passed…
now we talk about thots and say “af”…
do you realize we’ve only been saying “af” for maybe 5 years now, and golly gee guys, it isn’t going away any time soon…
February 28th, 2021 at 9:16 am
Since we are winners….now is a good time to go back and disparage all the players who were here when we lost…..but only the ones who are gone.
February 28th, 2021 at 9:17 am
for example let us use “af” in a sentence properly:
The goat just delivered a 38 yard dime to robbie crunk and the ball had zip to it, his arm is still strong af.
February 28th, 2021 at 9:27 am
Just look at McCoy’s get up in the picture you posted of Gerry Joe, and you can see Beckles is right. McCoy is a panzy compared to Suh.
February 28th, 2021 at 9:42 am
Every single Bucs fan would’ve drafted Suh over McSofty
February 28th, 2021 at 9:48 am
I don’t have the hate for McCoy everyone else here does, he was a very good but not great player. But, from all accounts he was a good person and I’m ok with that. He was a good player for us for a long time, so what that he was never the best, not everyone can be. Suh definitely has that killer in him, so glad we have him in the trenches and I hope we can find a way to bring him back.
Now Beckles, he rarely says anything that interests me and seems just like a low budge screamin Steven A. Just a hit take foom like so many of these “experts.” I’d take McCoy as a player over Beckles any day. And as a fellow human being, it’s not even close.
February 28th, 2021 at 10:04 am
adam from ny – golly gee, you’re weird AF. All of your posts are weird AF. That’s a better way to use it in a sentence.
February 28th, 2021 at 10:05 am
If the Bucs bring this clown back, I will be very disappointed. We’re starting to get an angry defense going. He would ruin it. Not to mention the fact that he’s constantly injured.
February 28th, 2021 at 10:07 am
It’s not a “hate” for GMC. It was a hate for his style of play. And anyone who is a long time Bucs fan will admit, GMC was the mistake of that draft, Suh was the right choice.
February 28th, 2021 at 10:41 am
GMC= chihuahua
Suh = pit bull
February 28th, 2021 at 10:49 am
Dawg mentality is right. This D has some serious swagger and nasty. Keep the band together!
February 28th, 2021 at 10:59 am
Somewhere a soft Hawaiian Buc is crying in silence.
How could this be?
How could most people not see how truly great Gerald is/was?
Why are people so mean?
February 28th, 2021 at 11:01 am
I once heard Ian talk about McCoy and said other players used the P word to describe him…..So yeah….Ian is right on. Its a totally different mentality with Suh rather then McCoy.
February 28th, 2021 at 11:02 am
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with Ian Beckles more in my life. GMC was a fundamentally sound player who scared no one.
Suh’s name literally translates to “house of spears.” We needed some of that on this team.
February 28th, 2021 at 11:28 am
Beckles is right.
Gerald would be a great neighbor or babysitter for your kids. And he was a good player, but not special or elite. Never took over a game, never had a game clinching play, and Arians knew that coming in, which is why we have Suh.
February 28th, 2021 at 11:29 am
Beckle’s is spot on. So pumped about our D right now. We finally have that swag back. Long lost since the days of Sapp, Brooks, Barber & Lynch, the Bucs have found their mojo!
February 28th, 2021 at 11:38 am
Da Bux Suh was taken by the Lions prior to the Bucs pick. McCoy lived up to his lofty draft status too. In their prime both were two of the best at their positions.
February 28th, 2021 at 11:50 am
Gotta be able to accept when you’re wrong joe. You shat on him when he called McCoy soft. Now after he has every right to say I told you so, and he gets shat on again. Cmon man.
February 28th, 2021 at 11:57 am
If peeps stop bringing him up McCoy is easily forgotten.
February 28th, 2021 at 11:59 am
Hey Joe, now that you did your McCoy article a Jameis one is due.
February 28th, 2021 at 12:14 pm
Joe…I still do not know how you proclaim yourself an expert on anything football. I don’t agree with Ian with everything but if you believe in Brady and what culture he brought to the team, you would say the same thing about Suh with the defense. I never understood what people saw in McCoy when drafted. Suh was always more dominating and had a fierce attitude. McCoy was like a big teddy bear that stopped the run. Fans of this area want defense and attitude, McCoy never brought that.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:04 pm
Suh did more in one year, last year, than soft ice cream man did in a over glorified, losing career. #93 belongs to Suuuuhhhhh!!!!!
February 28th, 2021 at 1:10 pm
The only reason any Bucs fan still talks or thinks about GMC is because Joe won’t let clowns like him fade from our memories. There sure as sh!t aren’t many signature plays that make me care to remember him.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:53 pm
Signing Suh is very important to another Superbowl run.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:57 pm
Beckles was right. I said for years that I didn’t like McCoy because he wasn’t a leader. Suh is a leader. Do you think Baker does the stupid crap he did if he was playing alongside Suh instead of McCoy?
February 28th, 2021 at 2:04 pm
No question that McCoy regressed after his major surgery. He was never the same. Only one time in his entire career did he have 10 sacks in a season. It was time to let him go especially when he was receiving more $ than what Suh was asking for at the time.
February 28th, 2021 at 2:11 pm
But that ice cream truck really bonded the team durring those hot OTAs.
February 28th, 2021 at 2:57 pm
1987 that is hilarious to me. Easily forgotten is perhaps the best way to describe Gerald.
February 28th, 2021 at 4:05 pm
It’s always been clear who’s the better of the two. Not even close. Glad we finally got Suh. Maybe we can retire him as the real #93.
February 28th, 2021 at 5:33 pm
I forgot about Chris “Swaggy” Baker, that period was the peak of the Bucs losing culture.
February 28th, 2021 at 7:12 pm
“ That’s almost as bad as Joe continuing to refer to the Bucs letting go of Michael Bennett for no good reason.
Oh, wait.”
Thank you for the self-awareness. I was gonna call you out on that one.
February 28th, 2021 at 7:38 pm
Everyone knows that but you Joe lol
February 28th, 2021 at 8:09 pm
McCoy is soft and was probably the most overrated player on the Bucs roster during his time w/ bucs
February 28th, 2021 at 8:28 pm
Can we go the next year without talking about Jameis or McCoy?
What is the point? They were both pretty good and they both had flaws but they are gone
The Bucs just won a Super Bowl, they weren’t a part of it, move on.
February 28th, 2021 at 9:16 pm
I feel like every opposing team would talk about GMC’s “get off” and then around with a smirk, and say, we got this.
They talk about our front seven now and turn around and say Oh Sh!t…
GMC getting bounced was Arians first move when he came in.
Arians had the stones to jettison 3 high number one draft picks, including a number 1 overall.
And in eliminating those infectious players, paved the way for a Superbowl Championship Team to emerge.
In BA I Trust!
February 28th, 2021 at 9:59 pm
McCoy and Winston …. can we forget those losers ? Quit acting like they were special ! The “Decade of losing led by these two !
February 28th, 2021 at 10:18 pm
Worst take ever McCoy in the ring of honor…never understood how people confuse longevity with honor.
February 28th, 2021 at 10:21 pm
The bucs defense are BAD MEN! And I mean this with utmost RESPECT!
February 28th, 2021 at 10:50 pm
Half your posters have been aware of this for 5 years , Ian is and has been spot on !!
February 28th, 2021 at 11:09 pm
Six-time Pro Bowler. Pretty impressive.
February 28th, 2021 at 11:25 pm
joe –
mccoy fits into that odd category of “best of the worst” in a sense…
so…….he was very good and better than most…but not a supreme being on the football field…
February 28th, 2021 at 11:35 pm
Six time Probowl as impressive as it is, most say it’s a popularity contest. Yes McCoy was a good player…best get off ever..we heard it it for years, but never amounted to great defense. Lavonte which we have read here has been snubbed for probowls for years. Hard to put stock in it on one argument, but not the other.
February 28th, 2021 at 11:57 pm
even lavonte’s attitude has shifted the past couple of years…
he became more vocal and aggressive…
as a defensive player should be…
mccoy was kinda the ring leader of the defense, and the jolly go lucky attitude wasn’t helping the bucs become a top flight feared d…
he was a good player…that’s why carolina and dallas picked him up…
now tho…he might be out of work because there’s a definitive shift in the league about every 3 years
March 1st, 2021 at 3:51 am
GMC never opened a game or closed one. Although he tried to claim double teams the film showed singled way more often than not. Never saw him drive one guy into the quarterback. He cried when a future HOF got his number. He cried at the offer before he left feeling disrespected but he got paid well for not finishing many years, he owed the Bucs a discount. Now he’s sucking up because he wants to be ring of honor. No buddy ur not deserving. It’s like puttin booger up there nope! Suh because of tenure won’t b on it either but he’s way ahead of GMC on being an impact to being a champion. Nice lis Joe Buck on (Jordan Whitehead, Rakeem Nuñez-Roches, Carlton Davis, Vita Vea, Will Gholston, Jason Pierre-Paul and David). But 5 out of 7 played one year w him Suh has had more impact on their careers cmon.
March 1st, 2021 at 4:26 am
Jameis Joe, pro bowls define greatness? Bucs just won the super bowl with one! Pro Bowler. It’s a joke, and references to it as well. McCoy sucked donkey doo doo and so did WinSTUNNED. Find some material, we’re all sick of negative talk about 2 full time cancers to winning.
March 1st, 2021 at 8:00 am
Suh certainly isn’t the force he once was, but he is still able to maintain an absurd workload for as many snaps as he’s logged over his NFL career.
The 788 snaps he played this season was the lowest total of his career, yet it was still the 11th-most among all interior defenders. Suh racked up 50 total pressures.
Got to value that ability to stay on the field and be an effective to excellent players for most of those snaps.
March 1st, 2021 at 9:25 am
This BS once again.
The best nose tackle in football is Vita Vea.
Without him, our pass rush suffers.
He absolutely is the key to our run defense.
And he is a giant, happy, fun loving guy- just like McCoy.
Mccoy had very limited talent around him.
Suh is on the best front 7 in football.
I like Suhs attitude.
But it has nothing to do with being talented or effective.
Its just fun to watch!
March 1st, 2021 at 10:11 am
Capt. Tim.
If it is a question of Vita Vea being very important to the future – no doubt.
Aaron Donald playing mostly one – technique has been considered the best at his position for awhile. I did not watch Donald much this year but it is hard for me to say that Vita Vea is better than Aaron Donald but maybe that is just my historic bias.
I will say this – Vea has not shown that he can play as many snaps in a season as either Donald or Suh. So to put him as the current best seems a little pre-mature. Let’s hope he gets there.
March 1st, 2021 at 1:56 pm
It was popular for certain people to hate on McCoy…heck, some here still do. But he had crap around him for most of his time here. I always used to say, his career here would be wasted because they go no support for him.
Ndamukong Suh is great, and honestly he is probably better than McCoy, but he also has top=notch players around him in JPP, Vea, Shaq…not to mention David and White.
March 1st, 2021 at 8:27 pm
Wait, isn’t that supporting Ian’s point? 7 dudes were here from a championship defense, but they needed a nasty mentality in the middle. I think true Bucs fans respect Gerald, but Suh even went one spot ahead in the draft. He’s just better.
March 2nd, 2021 at 4:07 am
Most McCoy hate just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, the guy was a great player, who’ll one day take a place in the RoH. Is Suh a better player? Yep. Is that a knock on McCoy? Nope.