Every Vita Vea Super Bowl Snap
February 28th, 2021
What kind of a factor was Vita Vea in the Super Bowl?
There’s a wide range of opinion at JoeBucsFan.com world headquarters and, Joe has noticed, among fans.
Joe fired up the film, charted every defensive snap and this should answer a lot of questions.
Vea is a difference-maker, for sure, but the review makes it hard to say he was vital to the Bucs’ ferocious pass rush in this game.
Drive 1 – Snap 1 – doubled-teamed, no factor (pass play)
Snap 2 – Single-blocked, pressured Mahomes up gut
Drive 2 – Snap 3 – Quick-release pass, no factor
Snap 4 – Single-blocked successfully on run play
Drive 3 – Snap 5 – Single-blocked successfully on pass
Snap 6 – Double-teamed, short pass completed, no factor
Snap 7 – Screen pass on 3rd down, incomplete
Drive 4 – Snap 8 – run play, plugs middle, makes solo tackle.
Snap 9 – double-teamed, little factor, Devin White gets pressure, pass dropped.
Drive 5 – Snap 10 – blocked successfully on seven-yard run.
Snap 11 – Single-blocked on pass rush, gets Mahomes off spot, pass incomplete
Snap 12 – Double-team blocked successfully, pass complete, no factor
Snap 13 – Edge rush right side, single-blocked, got pressure, pass complete
Snap 14 – Edge rush right side, single-blocked, Shaq broke free for pressure on left, Incomplete.
Halftime – Bucs 21, Chiefs 6
Drive 6 – Snap 15 -Double-teamed – Shaq gets pressure off right edge after pass rush game
Drive 7 – Did not play
Drive 8 ((Now 31-9 Bucs lead)) – Snap 16 – Double-teamed, Mahomes rolls right incomplete
Snap 17 – Double-teamed, quick pass completed, no factor
Snap 18 – Line up on right edge, 8-yard run for first down.
Snap 19 – Single-blocked inside, collapsed pocket, incomplete
Snap 20 – Right edge, single-blocked, pass complete, no factor
Snap 21 – Run play, ate up blocks, no gain
Snap 22 – Mahomes rolls right, no factor, incomplete, Suh beats single-block for pressure.
Snap 23 – Double-teamed, jailbreak of other D-linemen break through, Mahomes incomplete.
*Now 4th-and-9 and Vita not on field.
Drive 8 – Snap 24 – Single-blocked, only lineman to get pressure, pass complete.
Snap 25 – Double-teamed, short pass incomplete
Snap 26 – Single-blocked, short pass complete
Snap 27 – Beats double-team, in Mahomes face when he throws, incomplete
Snap 28 – Single-blocked effectively, Ndamukong Suh and blitzing Cam Gill sack Mahomes.
Snap 29 – Single-blocked effectively, pass complete.
Snap 30 – Short completion.
Snap 31 – Mahomes rolls right. No pressure. Devin White interception
February 28th, 2021 at 11:45 am
Man, the “double teamed, no factor” ones seeem misleading. To me, the fact that he got double teamed is a factor. Thateans the offense allowed the other guys to be single blocked. If the rush did not hit home on those plays, thats not on vea. He ate 2 blocks.
February 28th, 2021 at 11:46 am
Joe I love this type of break down for a player. It would be awesome if you did the same for Brady’s pass plays and the amount of time (example: 4 seconds) our oline held up in pass protection.
February 28th, 2021 at 11:55 am
Velviiiiitttaaaaa!!!!
February 28th, 2021 at 12:00 pm
Vita & Devin are gonna be better next season which is scary
February 28th, 2021 at 12:18 pm
God loves, exactly. The fact that he’s double-teamed means others are not. That’s not a factor? Come on now…
Let’s take a deep breath on all these double-teams comments, here and down below. THe Bucs rarely blitzed in this game and that means 5 O-linemen blocking 4 D-linemen. So there’s always a double team. That’s football. Nunez-Roches takes up his share, too. Joe is not knocking Vea, just laying out the facts on his one-game impact for less than half the snaps. –Joe
February 28th, 2021 at 12:32 pm
Great analysis Joe. I think though that if you are taking up to blockers no matter if you get pressure or not it should be considered a success.
February 28th, 2021 at 12:35 pm
Interesting analysis Joe, although I still can’t figure out what to make of it.
You listed Vea as being ‘double-teamed’ 11 times, roughly 35% of his snaps. Just the fact that he was double-teamed means he had an impact.
You listed him as being ‘single-blocked’ 12 times, roughly 39% of his snaps. Based on your description of the plays, looked like Vea made a difference on over half of those ‘single block’ plays.
On Vea’s other 8 snaps (26%) you didn’t specify whether he was single or double-teamed, however, he had an ‘impact’ on several of those it appears.
Any 1 player’s impact is probably impossible to quantify in isolation of all his teammates’ play. Several times in there where Vea getting double-teamed surely helped free Shaq or JPP (or White or others) make the plays that they did. I’m just glad that we had him back for the last 2 playoff games. More than likely he wasn’t 100% after missing most of the season, but he still had a major impact IMO.
February 28th, 2021 at 12:39 pm
So this explains why the guy who wants to “Break the Bank” disappeared in most of the games Vita was gone?
February 28th, 2021 at 12:41 pm
I agree about the double teams but was the result a sack?
Hard to tell but it seems he was only on the field for 1 sack.
That is how Joe views success.
Cam Gill shows how others can have success with Vita getting those double teams.
February 28th, 2021 at 12:44 pm
Joe!!How can you say that he was no factor when he was double-teamed? The fact that he is being double-teamed is a factor within itself.
February 28th, 2021 at 12:47 pm
Because you’re still under the impression that shaq by him self does everything. And he’s well deserving of $20m. Lol. Open your eyes son.
$20m is a slap to the rest of the defense.
Defense Rules Says:
February 28th, 2021 at 12:35 pm
Interesting analysis Joe, although I still can’t figure out what to make of it.
February 28th, 2021 at 12:49 pm
Gill and Nelson were applying pressure as well. Hopefully it’s a sign we are gonna move forward without shaq.
February 28th, 2021 at 12:54 pm
Joe……….Shaq doesn’t do what he does without LVD and White in the Middle.
LVD is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more important than Succop.
If you don’t think so then perhaps it is you that should take up Knitting
February 28th, 2021 at 12:56 pm
Shaq is the whole defense. Who needs tackles, inside linebackers, safeties or corners? Give him all the defenses’ money, $95 million…
(Over 5 years.)
February 28th, 2021 at 1:00 pm
Agree with others that him being double teamed consistently means he was actually a factor.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:02 pm
“If the Bucs get into a bidding war with any of their Big 8 free agents, Joe hopes it is with one of the following: Shaq Barrett, Chris Godwin or Ryan Succop.”
I mean Good God Almighty! How, for lack of a single word, ‘football knowledge challenged’ can you be????????
LVD trumps Godwin And Succop. Open your friggin eyes dude
February 28th, 2021 at 1:08 pm
The problem with this analysis and the analysis on Shaq is that if guys are not making huge impacts on almost every play, fans think they are not valuable. Even Joe’s own analysis is that Vea got pressure 3 times in 31 snaps in the Super Bowl; Like that is not very good!
I mean Joe, do you think we could not do the same thing with Aaron Donald. Our offensive line had a very good game against him. Aaron Donald played 90 percent of the defensive snaps against the Bucs this year and ended up with 0 tackles, 0 assists, and 0 sacks. So lets look at the Buc’s game for Aaron Donald and say that Donald sucks and should be cut – right!
Shaq is not going to get 19.5 sacks a year but 27.5 sacks and over 52 quarterback hits in two years is elite.
The best team in my opinion is one that keeps Vea, Shaq, JPP, and Suh along with David and White and our young corners/safeties.
If we do not sign Godwin, there will be times we will miss him. Not as much though as missing, Suh, David, JPP, Vea, White, or Shaq.
In the 2nd half of 2019 and most of 2020 most games we won the trenches. It makes the game easier. Why would we want to change that formula?
February 28th, 2021 at 1:08 pm
There is a reason why there’s game film……nice effort, Joe….but doesn’t really tell the whole story for me.
Of course Shaq is better when Vita is in there…..so is JPP, Suh, Gholston, White, LVD, Davis, SMB, Whitehead, Dean & Winfield.
Bowles also looks better when Vita is in there…..so does Kay Adams!!!
February 28th, 2021 at 1:09 pm
The “why draft devin white” Joe ? lol
February 28th, 2021 at 1:13 pm
Plus I don’t think Vita is asked to rush the passer on every play. Sometimes it’s his job to just occupy and plug up the middle. The position nose guard are primarily run stoppers. Look at years of great defenses in the NFL and more times than not there is a strong, gigantic nose guard who gobbles up double teams.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:23 pm
I guess we are under the impression that Bowles scheme , dline , depth, and top 10 offense doesn’t factor in. I guess anyone playing in such a talented team on both side of the ball is elite. And is well deserving of $20M a year. So yeah I guess I agree with most of you it’s a slap in the face we should take. Forget David being here 9 yrs , forget all of our FA. They don’t matter. Two years in a elite team gives you that power to command the whole bank !
Geno
Shaq is not going to get 19.5 sacks a year but 27.5 sacks and over 52 quarterback hits in two years is elite.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:32 pm
Ha! The same guys who ridicule PFF grades because they don’t know a players assignment are now posturing as if they can break down all 22 film and definitively determine whether a player had “no factor” on a play when they drew a double team.
That’s rich.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:33 pm
Not a factor? Believe me the first person the Mahomes looks for is Vita. There is a reason why he is being double teamed most of the time. Scheme is the only reason why he is not double teamed
February 28th, 2021 at 1:37 pm
Seems to me like this coming directly from a Vita Vea doubter. Constantly referencing his snap counts and questioning his status as an impact player.
Its evident and clear to any competent football fan that Vea is a baller and that all of his teammates play better when he is the game because of relentless pressure up the middle that collapses the pocket and prevents the QB from stepping up to avoid pressure from the edge and leads to sacks and rushed throws.
Btw if you draw a double team and hold your gap, that’s not a “no factor” play. That’s a win all day long for a NT.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:39 pm
Shaq should get same money like jpp.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:48 pm
Just my opinion but 18 to 20 million a year spent on Shaq is smarter than 18 to 20 million a year on Godwin.
28 guys last year with 900 yards or more receiving. 28 guys. Godwin did not get there but was injured. I want him back but not as much as the defensive guys.
Guys that are free agents at WR:
Allen Robinson, Chicago Bears (28)
Chris Godwin, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (25)
Kenny Golladay, Detroit Lions (27)
JuJu Smith-Schuster, Pittsburgh Steelers (24)
Corey Davis, Tennessee Titans (26)
Will Fuller, Houston Texans (27)
Curtis Samuel, Carolina Panthers (25)
Nelson Agholor, Raiders (28)
T.Y. Hilton, Indianapolis Colts (31)
Marvin Jones, Detroit Lions (31)
Sammy Watkins, Kansas City Chiefs (28)
Antonio Brown, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (33)
Rashard Higgins, Cleveland Browns (26)
Josh Reynolds, Los Angeles Rams (26)
Tyrell Williams, Las Vegas Raiders (29)
Breshad Perriman, New York Jets (28)
Adam Humphries (27)
Keelan Cole, Jacksonville Jaguars (28)
Easy to replace wide receivers. Not so much Edge guys.
This year (2020) Shaq led the league in quarterback hurries with 24. So he is good.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:51 pm
Well done.
February 28th, 2021 at 1:51 pm
So for the most part, Vita was only held in check when double teamed and even then he made some plays. On every down he has O Lineman pooping their pants. I’m in that sect of people that say Vita is what makes our line go. JPP and Shaq are absolute studs. I’m not lessening their studliness but Vita has the biggest impact. The proof was in the pudding when he was out with injury.
February 28th, 2021 at 2:16 pm
The concept of “team football” and “individual assignments” escapes the mental grasp of casual fans.
February 28th, 2021 at 2:20 pm
Let’s take a deep breath on all these double-teams comments, here and down below. THe Bucs rarely blitzed in this game and that means 5 O-linemen blocking 4 D-linemen. So there’s always a double team. That’s football. Nunez-Roches takes up his share, too. Joe is not knocking Vea, just laying out the facts on his one-game impact for less than half the snaps. –Joe
February 28th, 2021 at 2:56 pm
This article is no factor.
February 28th, 2021 at 2:59 pm
Sure … Steamed To Sogginess
February 28th, 2021 at 2:59 pm
@Joe. In fairness, taking a deep breath on the double teams is the strength of Vita. You can’t take a deep breath on it. It’s a big part of why Vita is more impactful on that line then anyone else. If Vita isn’t getting double teamed then somebody else would be. Vita doesn’t just eat them up, he spits them out, moves them like rag dolls and still gets the QB moving out of the pocket. Again, what happened to Shaq’s numbers and pressures when Vita was hurt?
February 28th, 2021 at 3:25 pm
Why is Joe determined to make us think less of VV?
February 28th, 2021 at 3:25 pm
Very good article, it’s always good to take a step out of the emotional impressions
I’m a great VV fan, but it’s a team sport and one piece alone doesn’t get the job done
VV is a special player, but so are JPP and Barrett
That’s why the Bucs must retain those three guys. Together, they’re almost unstoppable
Playoff Lenny is replaceable, Regular Season Chris is replaceable, Antonio Brown is replaceable, even Suh and LVD are replaceable
I wouldn’t dare to lose Succop and Shaq is unquestionably the #1 priority
Sign those two and see how it unfolds for the others
February 28th, 2021 at 3:27 pm
Joe types up straight facts with no spin and gets smacked around. Fans have such a love-hate thing going on.
February 28th, 2021 at 3:41 pm
Vita is a NT, his job isn’t sacks, his job is to create chaos. I’m pretty sure every single Bucs D-lineman was happy Vita was back in the lineup. He’s huge in the run stop as well, along with Suh and the LBs. I can’t help but question the intention of this article from “Draft Johnny Foosball”.
Joe, please do this analysis of V2 in the Broncos game on Sept 30th.
He isn’t going to dominate a game against all C/Gs, but i’ll take V2 any day as an anchor on our DL.
There is NOTHING knocking Vea in this post. Lots of negativity around here today.-Joe
February 28th, 2021 at 3:54 pm
Imma chart every snap VV took in the SB, and offer my *subjective* impressions…
I don’t think any knowledgeable Buc fan think Barrett is not a key and critical player. But he’s one guy of seven close to the LoS. And no one can question the Bucs D definitely got even more physical and difficult to score against when Vea came back into the lineup.
Part of “disruptive” is how a team has to go away from their prime mojo when a particular [player is in the lineup.
February 28th, 2021 at 3:59 pm
@GmanBuc,
The problem is, the Joe(s) questioned the draft of V2. Also, it’s odd that you cherry pick a game to do this snap analysis. That’s like cherry picking a game where Shaq or JPP don’t get on the stat sheet much and imply we need a snap analysis of the game. What? Does anyone need a snap analysis of a single game to form an opinion of any of our players? A different guy steps up every week. I’m not saying our D is lights out at every position, but they finally played as a unit. There’s no need for singling out a player on a snap-by-snap basis for a Super Bowl that we dominated. Also, what exactly is considered “no factor”? Did the interior line cave in? Did the pocket shrink? Apart from a double/triple team, that is a factor. Let’s ask the QBs how comfortable they are stepping up or into a collapsing pocket.
This leaves a bad taste with a bad look. This comes across like a “Yea, but…” from our own fanbase.
February 28th, 2021 at 4:03 pm
@Joe,
Nothing negative? You singled out 1 player. There was nothing positive either. Nothing positive? You might want to re-read what’s actually here.–Joe
If you posted a snap analysis of Devin White’s Super Bowl snaps, it would give an entirely different perception. You dogged his draft too. Joe “dogged” the trade-down and Vita Vea pick in 2018? You must be confusing Joe with the Derwin James crowd. –Joe
But, now there’s radio silence on that decision. Joe NEVER wrote or said or implied that Devin White would be anything less than a good football player. You’re hearing what you want to hear. Of course, regulars here know Joe preferred the edge rusher in that draft. There is no radio silence. Joe has lauded Jason Licht here countless times in the 2021 season. –Joe
It’s not what you say, but what you don’t that matters sometimes.
February 28th, 2021 at 4:11 pm
The fact that the Chiefs felt it necessary to double-team a guy 11 of 31 snaps, who had only a part of one game under his belt in over three months, says volumes.
I say we keep him! Hahaha
February 28th, 2021 at 4:16 pm
This article is like your best friend, who has a crush on you, telling you that your gf was talking to her ex.
Nothing bad was said/done, but it plants the seed.
There is nothing written that doesn’t serve a purpose.
February 28th, 2021 at 4:21 pm
I guess McCoy can do what he does. waste of a pick.
Hey Joe one of this about Brady so we all com to conclusion that we would have won with Jameis too.
Cant believe so much hate on this pick.
February 28th, 2021 at 4:26 pm
The only Vita play I remember from the SB is when he quit on a play and stop chasing Mahomes. I mean he literally was just walking, not even remotely running. Now, in fairness, he’s a big fatso and gets winded quickly, plus he clearly wasn’t in shape after coming back from injury. Still, I’d expect a lot more from a player who people think is a difference maker. Hopefully next year he’ll play more than 25% of the snaps without getting injured.
February 28th, 2021 at 4:33 pm
👆 Troll
VV will be locked up by a C/G and still arm tackle a RB by himself.
We didn’t get the #1 rushing D just because of our LBs. Making a team one-dimensional – FACTOR.
February 28th, 2021 at 4:56 pm
I just did the first half.
I won’t do a play-by-play because I’d use Excel and Joes don’t like links.
I must have watched a different half than Joe did. Here is what I saw the first half:
-Played 14 of 30 snaps
-5 @ N, 3 @ C-G, 4 @ G-T, 2 @ DE (!!!!)
-5 singles, 9 doubles
-4 wins (beat his man)
-5 Big Wins (destroyed man or double, affected play)
-3 ragdolls
I never saw him get beaten. I did see one play where he slanted inside, was doubled, and both offside G & Tackle pulled through his hole.
I did not see the QB step up into the pocket on passing downs when he was in and down between the guards.
I’ll do the second half later.
February 28th, 2021 at 5:15 pm
But Cobraboy, Vita is nothing but an average two down run stuffer.
-Rod Munch
February 28th, 2021 at 5:22 pm
SB – No, Vita is a good (not average) two down run stuffer, he’s just not a pass rusher. The play where he just stands there as Mahomes runs away from him, and he doesn’t even try, that’s the play that stands out. He had a much better game vs Green Bay, but didn’t do anything in that SB.
February 28th, 2021 at 5:22 pm
Double team means he did his job. Somebody else failed to do theirs and apply the pressure.
February 28th, 2021 at 5:26 pm
Cobraboy … Love it! But how dare you bring FACTS to a story like this? Oh wait, must be FAKE NEWS in there someplace. My bad.
February 28th, 2021 at 5:26 pm
Rod clearly does not understand D-line play, and how the pieces of a defense mesh when working properly.
I suspect the answers about Vea would be quite different from Joe, Rod, and others if you asked them “How much does Vita Vea impact the defense?”
Vita Vea is a generational interior D-Lineman, just as Devin White is a generational ILB. The Bucs drafted these guys well.
February 28th, 2021 at 5:28 pm
Joe, we got it. By the way I did not see your admonishment on my post till much later. Now to be exact. But by implication, if each double team should result in an impactful play, that’s simply unrealistic. Now each double team opens up the possibility of an impactful play. But then it’s on the rest of the guys being single-teamed. No one expects after 20 double teams for us to have 15 sacks and five other impactful plays. But I think it’s clear that for a lot of the impactful plays from the outside linebackers / defensive ends, it comes when he’s occupying extra guys. That’s all. Nothing much more to it than that.
February 28th, 2021 at 6:35 pm
Second game back after a broken ankle? I’ll take his play in light of that, any day. And yes…knowing he and Suh were breaking up the opponent run game up the middle, had to give JPP and Shaq an extra ounce of freedom to create.
February 28th, 2021 at 6:40 pm
I can tell Joe never played offensive line. I played it at a D1AA school before the hole restructuring BCS thing. Having to double team an interior defensive lineman on passing downs affects the play. It’s completely ignorant to state otherwise. It shows a lack of knowledge about offensive line pass pro. Doubling on DT on a pass play means you have one less offensive lineman to help with twists and stunts. Offensive pass blocking is called BOB. That’s big on big, back on backer. When you hear the QB identifying the MIKE that person is the blocking responsibility of the RB. If you are empty it’s telling usually the center that he has him. When you devote 2 bigs to 1 big you have eliminated the number advantage of 5 bigs vs 4 bigs, also identifying the MIKE is now pointless in empty sets. Double teaming a DT means in an empty set the defensive line has three 1 v 1 matchups. DE like Shaq a JPP LOVE 1 v 1 matchups. You know who also knows this, the QB. We all like to glorify the QB, but I am here to tell you they all hate being hit, and that fear gets into their head, especially when they think their OLINE can’t block 4 with 5. That’s what happened in the Super Bowl. Mahoney was uncomfortable before the ball was snapped. HPP, Cea, Suh and Shaq made him that uncomfortable. A QB doesn’t scramble in the pocket for 500 yards like Mahomes did if the offensive line is doing there job against the DLINE.
February 28th, 2021 at 6:57 pm
did you notice tha mahommes never broke continment up the middle when vea was in there?
February 28th, 2021 at 7:03 pm
When the defensive line can rush 4 and the 5 offensive lineman can’t block them, causing the QB to run for his life in the pocket for 500 yards, the DLINE as a unit has done their job and the OLINE failed to do there job. That’s what happened in the Super Bowl. Joe also fails to understand that if you can rush with 4 DLINE and create such chaos and havoc like Vea and the Bucs DLINE did, that you also get to drop 7 and defend 5 receivers with 7 in empty sets, 4 receivers to defend with 7 when the offense leaves the back in to block and 3 receivers when the offense is forced to leave a TE with the Back to help with pass pro. All of that happened in the Super Bowl. But what do I know. I only played OLINE from middle school through college.
February 28th, 2021 at 7:23 pm
“Double teamed no factor” uhhh the double team is the factor
February 28th, 2021 at 7:44 pm
Cobra
Ive seen the super bowl like 10 times already. When i am working from home i put on in the background. Vea was noticeable for sure. That rep at right d wnd where he drives the tackle right int the qb was nasty. Why not line him up on the end from time to time. Harder to double they way. Maybe a running back chips
Buts Lets face it here. There is obvious bias here . Has been for some time. Vea doesnt it do it for you know who. 😂
Remember on the past games where jameis played like absolute dog 💩 and it was called a “mixed bag”. 😂
February 28th, 2021 at 7:59 pm
Love the passion. This is hilarious. So much sensitivity. It’s a one-game snapshot. Joe didn’t see anything incorrectly. Now you know why Joe doesn’t like PFF grades. –Joe
February 28th, 2021 at 8:04 pm
Can’t wait for the upcoming article detailing to us why we still shouldn’t have used the 5th pick on Devin White. Dude…we come to this site for entertainment value. Not the Joe breaking down tape. Anybody with a set of eyes could see Vita was a difference maker on the D-Line when he was back in there. And that was only at probably 75% Vita. Stick to the entertainment!
February 28th, 2021 at 8:15 pm
Has to be the autumn haired overweight scared of the sun hack
February 28th, 2021 at 8:20 pm
Can we call Vea “Big Sexy”?
60%, he takes two, and he collapses the pocket. He is our Vince Wilfork w more pass rush.
February 28th, 2021 at 8:20 pm
@AJ … “Dude…we come to this site for entertainment value. Not the Joe breaking down tape.”
Oh AJ, you missed it. Joe breaking down tape WAS the entertainment.
February 28th, 2021 at 9:42 pm
This might be one of my favorite articles and threads. Now that the three headed troll bags are gone, Shill Joe has to pick up the folding chair and blast dudes.
So much fun….
In BA I Trust!
February 28th, 2021 at 10:35 pm
If this kind of analysis was done of Shaq during the regular season, I’d bet he was less important than you proclaim he is, Joseph.
March 1st, 2021 at 5:11 am
Hilarious Joe?
What’s hilarious is when you start an article by saying “what kind of factor was Vita Vea in the Super Bowl? There’s a wide range of opinions at Joebucsfan.com… But the review makes it hard to say he was vital to the Bucs ferocious pass rush..”
Then go out of your way to say he was no factor, little factor, or “single blocked successfully” 14 times and infer the same on several other snaps without saying it directly, essentially painting a blatantly obvious picture that you do not think he made a difference. And on top of that you post zero film to back your case.
Ascribing these kinds of motives and agendas to Joe’s writing are absurd. YOu do realize that a defensive end who gets one sack per game and doesn’t do a ton else is a superstar, right? Joe isn’t knocking Vea here at all. Look at how much overall impact he had. It’s all in black and white here. Joe even writes here that Vea is a “difference-maker.”–Joe
Then when people see through your very thinly veiled diss article, you play dumb. And then you have the audacity to say “Joe didnt see anything wrong. Now you see why Joe dislikes PFF grades.” Funny how you don’t hold yourself to the same standard when you don’t have any clue what Vea’s assignment is on any given play. And you have proven time and time again that you do not possess an advanced understanding of X’s and O’s football so your analysis of the tape is already of limited value to start with.
You could break down the tape of TJ Watt and Aaron Donald, who were the consensus best pass rushers in the league this year, and find many many snaps throughout games where they were “single blocked successfully” or “little to no factor.” So not only was diss article so thinly veiled that basically everyone sniffed it out for what it was, it was also based on a false presupposition that a pass rusher has to win outright on every, or even the majority of snaps to be considered an impactful player.
Shameful stuff. Also hilarious.
March 1st, 2021 at 5:22 am
I can virtually guarantee you that if you sat down with say, Brian Baldinger, Jon Ledyard, Steven Cheah, Lady Rodgers or essentially any person or coach with a proven track record of being able to competently breakdown film, they would offer a much different interpretation of the events that occured in the snaps you transcribed here.
Your analysis as a layman/ tabloid sports entertainment journalist is about as useful as a poopy flavored lollipop. I suggest you stick to what you know, giving people silly nicknames and such.
March 1st, 2021 at 5:23 am
Kacy* Rodgers.. Autocorrect…
March 1st, 2021 at 5:57 am
Joe, I am not a stat guru but I am a researcher for 24 years using stats. I like your analysis but I agree with Defense Rules Says and Cobraboy Says on your definition of successful snap.
Firstly, we have to agree that we use a basis of 4 DL against 5 OL men. Each snap one DL man will be doubled, thus we should exclude these snaps from analysis.
Among other 3 DLs, a successful snap is at least one DL beat his man.
We assume 3DL men has equal rate of success at a, b, and c, respectively (%), my calculation suggest that to pressure the QB at 52% of his pass, all 3 DL men should have an equate rate at 22%, or 30, 20 and 13%, respectively.
I counted 12 single blocks (snap 2, 4, 5, 11, , 13, 14, 18, 19, 24, 26, 28, 29) for Vitae with 6 good snaps of pressure, “successfully”, collapse, and off the pock. That means he can make a pressure on 50% of single block. You know that Mahomes got pressure at 52% of his pass. So statiscally, Vitae is responsible for all pressure when he was single blocked.
The dominance of Vitae can happen at the same time with Shaq, so Shaq might have the same sucess rate, but you need to provide the number.
March 1st, 2021 at 12:35 pm
C’mon Joe…You complained after bye week that JPP was no where to be found and was in witness protection. Even in the podcast all year you downplayed VV absence when injured. IMO he is incredibly important in Bowles scheme, and you could argue he is the most important player on the D.
With his type of injury, and with his weight, he probably shouldn’t have been playing the last 2 games. He definitely was not in game shape, but in his limited snaps he was very good.
You can’t argue that when he is in the game, he controls the middle of the LoS, swallowing up blocks in run game and crushing the interior of the pocket on pass plays.
NT’s don’t accumulate many stats, however it allows Shaq, JPP, White, David etc. to be freed up to make plays…it is hard to quantify. If you look at the 5 sacks against the Packers, VV was on the field for 4 of those sacks. Go back and watch the tape.
There is no coincidence that when he returned, so did the fierce pass rush. I also know both Packers and Chiefs had OT issues. However, think about it, if he doesn’t return, do Bucs have to blitz more to get more pressure on Rodgers and Mahomes? If they blitz more do they get beat more one on one in secondary?
Joe, I think you downplayed VV’s importance.
March 1st, 2021 at 12:42 pm
Tell Rod Munch to go lay down. All he looks for is stats in stat line.
Munch doesn’t understand football….complimentary football. This is what VV’s play provides.
If VV is not a factor in pass rush, why was he in mostly in on passing (3rd down)…after all you said he is only a 2 down run stuffer. Enlighten me! SMH
March 1st, 2021 at 1:11 pm
Great text breakdown…
Can you fax it over to me? #smh
March 1st, 2021 at 1:14 pm
There’s at least one YouTube video posted 2 weeks ago that proves V2 was a monster during SB55. The entire front was excellent. Everyone knows that. –Joe
March 1st, 2021 at 6:24 pm
So what exactly was your point of directly questioning how vital was to the pass rush when everyone knows the entire front was excellent? You even went as far as to assert that it would be “hard to say” that he was a vital piece. Forgive me, I’ve only been speaking english for my entire life, but doesnt that directly imply that he was not vital?
As others have mentioned, this article smacks of “yeah but…”
March 1st, 2021 at 8:53 pm
This is how you know Joe is football illiterate.
“Drive 2 – Snap 3 – Quick-release pass, no factor
Snap 4 – Single-blocked successfully on run play”
Snap 4 occurred at 6:03 in the 1st quarter.
Kansas City attempts to pull the left guard to lead block around the edge.
The KC LT blocks down 1 v 1 against Vea.
JPP twists inside, setting up an easy run on the outside for KC with a pulling lead blocker.
It would have been a great play, if only if Vea wasn’t on the field.
Vea pushes the LT back into his gap, disrupting the pulling guard.
Vea defeats two lineman and blows up the play.
The pulling guard is pushed back by Vea who blows up the LT.
The LG is unable to lead block for the back against the LB.
Because Vea blew up the B gap, Devin White easily scrapes and fills the C gap untouched and tackles the KC running back for a 3 yard loss.
That’s what happened in what Joe states is a successful block against Vea.
Joe’s tape study is hilarious! Amateur hour at its finest.
March 1st, 2021 at 8:56 pm
BelleGlade:
Good to see Muck City checking in! Thanks.