More Presnap Motion Chatter
December 1st, 2020
Blocking > dancing.
The Bucs are No. 3 in the NFL in total points scored, five behind league-leader Green Bay and four behind No. 2 Kansas City. In points-per-game, the Bucs are No. 7 averaging 28.7 points each game.
(Yes, Joe is aware the Bucs have played one more game than Green Bay or Kansas City.)
But to hear some, Bucco Bruce Arians is grotesquely irresponsible for having a lousy Bucs offense because he doesn’t have guys running around and being cute before the snap.
It seems this narrative began with this guy.
Last week Arians was asked about presnap motion and Arians said, in so many words, points scored are a whole lot more important and his offenses do just that.
Yesterday, Arians was asked about presnap motion again and he sort of scoffed saying he’s more concerned with guys being in position to block than running dudes back and forth, which may impress a TV analyst.
“Peyton Manning never wanted anybody in motion, so each quarterback is so different [with] what they want the motion for,” Arians said. “We have used jet motion a little bit. I’m not a big fan of it if it’s going to disrupt what you’re doing versus just blocking people.”
Arians was then asked if Brady wants motion used. Arians added that the Bucs’ amount of motion (or lack thereof) is the exact amount Brady wants.
Anyone remember last year when Breshad Perriman, going in motion from right to left with the ball near the goal line at Tennessee, tackled running back Dare Ogunbowale and caused a fumble.
Yeah, good times.
Look, Joe doesn’t give a hoot if the Bucs choreograph a Broadway show before the snap or line guys up stationary to wipe out the defense. Whatever helps you score points. That’s what offense is all about: scoring.
And judging cold, hard stats, the Bucs aren’t in a real pinch in scoring points.
So for those demand that Arians run presnap motion, it doesn’t look like that will happen this season.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:12 am
Football question- football answer
I’m fine with that
December 1st, 2020 at 12:15 am
Wow Peyton Manning if you’ll keep referencing old fossils as an example of your offense it just proves your too old for the new leagues. No one has a problem with you being number 3 in scoring offense, the problem is you are garbage at scoring points against good teams and good defenses. Number 3 scoring offense should be getting manhandled and blown out against playoff caliber teams. The he chiefs called off the dogs in the early in that game don’t be fooled by the score
December 1st, 2020 at 12:48 am
I don’t care – just win and lately you aren’t winning against contending teams.
December 1st, 2020 at 12:49 am
This is an idiotic take. [Who?] explains quite eloquently how disadvantageous Arians’ pre-snap lack of motion is. And if BA he doesn’t or can’t understand that fact, then BA is the problem.
December 1st, 2020 at 1:31 am
All that matters to me is this: Does Brady think it will help him? If the answer is yes, why wouldn’t BA put his ego aside and give the Goat what he wants? Reportedly, Tony Romo caught up with Brady before the game and Tom mentioning the lack of it had something to do with why he brought it up during the telecast. If your star player wants help executing a playbook he is struggling with, give him what he wants. I feel we saw more of it in the second half and hope to see more of what Tom feels works in the last 4 games of the season.
December 1st, 2020 at 3:03 am
This gives me an idea.
For teams that motion constantly send someone to follow them like its gonna be man coverage, then blitz that guy instead.
December 1st, 2020 at 3:20 am
whatever happens this year, I am just praying to god that the bucs don’t collapse like 2008 or even 2012, when schiano had the bucs at 6 and 4 and looking a real threat that year. Bucs are in a good spot to make it to the wildcard and with a fairly easy schedule. I also dont really care this year what spot they make it in the playoffs this year because with no fans at all in the stands, it really doesnt matter where we play.
December 1st, 2020 at 5:58 am
Let me see, coach my scheme tells reporters what there is or isn’t is exactly what Tompa wants but Tompa is telling Roma that he needs it more???? Houston we do have a problem, and it smells like doo doo! It worked very well for him before so doesn’t make sense why he wouldn’t want it here now.
December 1st, 2020 at 6:31 am
Doesn’t have to be pre snap.motion. Sure its an element we would llike to see from time to time Instead lets start taking the shorter roytes when the opposing team is playing deep ready for the long game rather than forcing in to them.Why else would Brady be on pace for most ints in his career?
December 1st, 2020 at 6:46 am
Another useless stat, PPG. In our 5 losses we average 18.6 ppg, so yeah we can score against sh!t defenses sometimes but when we play playoff caliber teams not so much. With this offense we should score at least 28 every game not have a 28 point average
December 1st, 2020 at 6:53 am
Ian Beckles I believe it was recently described the Bucs as being ‘schizophrenic’. Personally I prefer ‘Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde’ but the implication is the same: Bucs are INCONSISTENT as all git-out; you never know what team is gonna show up … even from from 1st half to 2nd half, or vice-versa.
Coached Little League baseball for many years, and used to tell the parents at the start of each season that I viewed my job as coach as being to get each youngster to ‘play up to their potential’. Some teams were a lot more talented than some others, but the goal never changed: help each youngster become the best that they could be. In the Bucs case, this roster is oozing with talent; they SHOULD be able to hang with anyone. Sad fact is however that this team isn’t playing up to its’ potential. Sorry BA, but IMO, THAT’S on coaching.
And BTW, Tom Brady doesn’t get off scot-free in that assessment. He’s a big part of the offensive problem IMO, as is Brian Leftwich. Their offense managed to stay on the field for a grand total of 23 mins & 13 secs and score 24 pts against the Chiefs, an exceptional offense averaging almost 32 PPG. Against the Bears, that would’ve been ‘good enough’ but not against the Chiefs.
Bucs had NINE 3rd down opportunities in the game, and Brady passed on every single one of them … and we converted 3 out of those 9 chances. Converted 1 out of 5 in the 1st half. And FOUR of those 3rd down opportunities were 3 yds or less, and yet we passed instead of RUNNING THE FRIGGIN BALL. Let’s see, oh ya … I’m not impressed. I don’t know what BA, BL & TB are trying to prove, but THAT’S crappy play-calling … and it helped doom our defense by keeping them on the field for two-thirds of the 1st half.
December 1st, 2020 at 7:10 am
One pre-snap motion that seems to be much improved is false starts……last few games we have had few to none.
December 1st, 2020 at 7:21 am
Yeah, talking about our PPG when we’re continually embarrassed against playoff teams (18.6 ppg) just comes across as willfully ignorant.
Motion reveals the defensive scheme pre snap. It’s a big part of every elite NFL offense (by elite I mean the ones that would never be held to 3 points against a division rival at home in prime time).
We have a coach that’s stopped trying to learn about the game, and if he sticks to his decades old playbook, we’re marching our way to a playoff game that looks real similar to our 5 losses. Stagnant offense, bad play calling, national embarrassment.
The rest of the NFL does not care that BA (and his apologists) doesn’t understand motion, effectiveness of play action. They’re just going to keep using them to disintegrate Bowles’ defense, and laugh as they stack safeties two high and watch us continue to run go routes after our 3 yard 1st down run.
December 1st, 2020 at 8:15 am
Last yr Brady’s only good target was Edelman but before him similar guys like Welker running shorter routes and moving the chains. Now he seems to have to throw the bomb no matter what the coverage?? Let’s see more shorter crossing routes so w can uitlilize the great receivers Brady can choose from . Quick release shorter routes (which Brady is famous for) which will put less pressureon our OL guys. Notice how Goff never got his jersey dirty and Brady got knocked down on so many plays!! Goff’s receivers are no better than the Bucs.
December 1st, 2020 at 8:15 am
“Anyone remember last year when Breshad Perriman, going in motion from right to left with the ball near the goal line at Tennessee, tackled running back Dare Ogunbowale and caused a fumble.
Yeah, good times.”
I was AT that game with my a-hole Titans fan buddy… It was SOOOOOOO embarrassing
December 1st, 2020 at 8:25 am
He Bruce, you and your staff are getting out coached by these good teams. Wake up, its 2020 not 1920.
December 1st, 2020 at 8:26 am
The offense is not the problem.
Defense, particularly a consistent pass rush and defense, is this team’s problem.
When Vea went down, Bowles had to dial up more blitzes, which leaves a defense vulnerable to a smart, aware QB.
December 1st, 2020 at 8:51 am
“The Bucs are No. 3 in the NFL in total points scored”
Yes so let’s run off this coaching staff and go out and get another Lovie.
Those were goods times.
December 1st, 2020 at 9:00 am
Let’s get real here. I’ve been watching football since I was a little kid. It’s the closest thing I have to a religion. This is literally the first time in my life that I’ve EVER heard “pre-snap motion/chatter” being discussed as a big problem for an NFL team. Seriously?! Now, having a guy averaging 7.3 yrds a carry and having him on the pine? That’s an actual problem. Not giving your CB safety help over the top against one of the fastest guys on Earth? That’s a problem. Whether Scotty Miller toodled across the formation before the snap? Not so much. Get over it.
December 1st, 2020 at 9:50 am
Could have sworn I actually did see a lot more movement before the snap during that comeback against the Chiefs… Not saying for or against, but looked like we were and it may have helped
December 1st, 2020 at 10:03 am
Forgetting the presnap motion mumbo jumbo the big elephant in the room is will Arians dial up a shorter to mid range attack that doesnt go for the homerun on a constant basis. i love the long ball but Brady is alot like Jameis with less accuracy at long range. BA please do what Tom does best and lets win some football games.
December 1st, 2020 at 3:11 pm
C’mon Joe, you’re smarter than this. You have a borderline fetish with “points” in the same way that you did with “yards” for the past five years. Points != wins in the same way that yards != points.
There are problems with the Bucs offense despite all the points. There are teams that score less points but have a better running offense. I agree with you that I don’t want to see the Bucs performing a Broadway Musical every time they get up to the line of scrimmage but if the offense goes 3-and-out twice in a row then maybe it’s time to use some movement to get more information. Tony Romo and Dan Orlovsky are both correct.
December 1st, 2020 at 4:08 pm
“Bucs are number 3 scoring offense”…
For the season, yes.
How about over the last 5 games though?
We are trending in the wrong direction.