Arians, Pre-Snap Motion And Points
November 29th, 2020
Answers loud critic.
After a shaky loss Monday where the quarterback he heavy-panted to obtain looked more like 53 than 43, Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians is catching it from all corners.
Even from quarterbacks who don’t know when they’re out of bounds.
Barking former NFL quarterback Dan Orlovsky of BSPN was so outraged with Arians’ offense on Monday night (despite losing by a field goal to the Rams and Sean McVay (who Orlovsky cat-washes), he took to Twitter to declare Arians was committing “malpractice” for not having guys in motion presnap.
Well, Arians had a great comeback when asked about critics throwing rocks at him for a lack of presnap motions.
“They’ve been doing it for years – we’ve been pretty good for a long time,” Arians said of his critics. “We score a lot of points and the way we do things, we’ve scored a lot of points for many, many years. That’s all that matters.”
The Bucs currently are No. 7 in points per game at 29.1. Every team ahead of them and several immediately behind the Bucs are very likely playoff teams. Last year, the Bucs averaged 28.6 points per game.
As for total points scored, the Bucs are No. 2 with 320 points, one point behind the Chiefs. (The Bucs have played 11 games, the Chiefs 10.)
For Joe, that was a perfect comeback to Orlovsky. If presnap motion is so absolutely necessary to succeed, how come the Bucs are among the league leaders in scoring?
So Joe decided to go back and look at some of Arians’ offenses and how they fared.
2019 Bucs: 458 points (third)
2017 Cardinals: 295 (25th)*
2016 Cardinals: 418 (6th)
2015 Cardinals: 489 (2nd)
2014 Cardinals: 310 (24th)*
2013 Cardinals: 379 (16th)
2012 Colts: 250 (31st)**
* — Cardinals starting quarterback Carson Palmer only played in seven games in 2017 and six games in 2014.
** — Colts had rookie quarterback Andrew Luck starting.
So the only time Arians’ offenses as a head coach were in the bottom half of the league, he either had a rookie quarterback or his starting quarterback missed over half the season.
So yeah, people can nitpick Arians f they wish, but ragging on his offense for not using presnap motions seems like it’s just hollering to be hollering.
November 29th, 2020 at 4:45 am
TANK FOR TRASK!
Well … maybe not.
10-6 should make the playoffs, but what about next year? Does this team appear like a Super Bowl contender, or a one and done in the this year’s playoffs?
At least one Joe just opined on Brady’s age becoming a factor in Bucs losses. I agree, but feel a zone defense that insists on leaving opponent receivers WIDE OPEN has something to do with it as well.
Back to Trask: In all likelihood, he will be the third QB taken in the 2021 draft, behind Trevor and Zach Wilson if all declare they are coming out. If the chance to trade up presents itself, I don’t think the asking price would be super-crazy.
BTW-This isn’t a “Gator” thing. I don’t watch much college football unless a highly touted QB is involved. Hence the TRASK suggestion. Unlike many self aggrandizing posters on JBF, I’m not smarter than all coaches and all pro scouts—just a guy with an opinion.
November 29th, 2020 at 5:49 am
@Arians … ““We score a lot of points and the way we do things, we’ve scored a lot of points for many, many years. That’s all that matters.”
Now THAT’S arrogance … and it’s BS. What matters is WINNING, not scoring a lot of points.
BA’s teams’ offense rankings and turnovers rankings in those years …
o 2019 Bucs: 7-9 (Offense Ranking: #3; Turnovers Ranking: #32)
o 2017 Cards: 8-8 (Offense Ranking: #25; Turnovers Ranking: #23)
o 2016 Cards: 7-8-1 (Offense Ranking: #6; Turnovers Ranking: #26)
o 2015 Cards: 13-3 (Offense Ranking: #2; Turnovers Ranking: #17)
o 2014 Cards: 11-5 (Offense Ranking: #24; Turnovers Ranking: #4)
o 2013 Cards: 10-6 (Offense Ranking: #16; Turnovers Ranking: #26)
o 2012 Colts: 11-5 (Offense Ranking: #18; Turnovers Ranking: #23)
So his average offensive ranking was between 13 & 14 (middle tier), but his average turnovers’ ranking was between 21 & 22 (bottom third). In other words, ‘Bombs Away’ is really a middle-of-the-pack scoring offense that comes at a prohibitive cost: lots of turnovers. That’s NOT a strategy for winning a lot of games against excellent defensive teams … such as what we most often see in the playoffs? It played out last year with Winston at the helm, and it’s playing out this year with Brady under center.
What’s just as bad IMO is that ‘Bombs Away’ doesn’t really allow you to CONTROL games because it’s literally ‘hit-or-miss’ AND it depends on having a strong defense that can compensate (and especially for the turnovers). Sorry BA, but other teams have figured out how to defeat your dinosaur strategy. BALANCED ATTACK … run by a BALANCED TEAM … is where it’s at today.
November 29th, 2020 at 6:00 am
Bruce “Oh yeah we are good enough doing the way we are”. WHAT! What kind of attitude is that. It is about winning, and not being satisfied with the “Oh look at all the points we scored doing it MY WAY”. What, your way was not good enough against the Saints and the Rams, and the Bears. Reality, time for the OLD DOG to learn a few new tricks. GO BUCS!!!!!
November 29th, 2020 at 6:20 am
Guys…… all Bruce is saying is ………
Check his sheet!
November 29th, 2020 at 7:27 am
I’m looking at all the points you score Bruce. Against playoff teams you’re averaging a little more then 17 points per game! Even the 2001 Buc defense couldn’t make that stick in todays NFL.
November 29th, 2020 at 7:57 am
God he is washed up…stale ass biscuit.
ZERO creativity. Dinosaur. Extinct.
Can we please start over. Geez.
November 29th, 2020 at 8:42 am
This year actually 7th in scoring per game.
This year actually 17th in offensive turnovers per game.
November 29th, 2020 at 9:10 am
Well the offense needed SOMETHING. Maybe they don’t need it against lousy teams, but against the Saints it sure might have helped.
November 29th, 2020 at 9:19 am
Hopefully, the Bucs team will win in spite of BAzz and Methuselah. They have the heart and the talent.
November 29th, 2020 at 10:49 am
The only thing wrong with the offense is Leftwich.
November 29th, 2020 at 11:02 am
Leftwich is all wrong with the offense simple, to the point and 100% accurate
November 29th, 2020 at 12:39 pm
Ok D.R. now you’re rubbing it in. LMAO
I can’t really argue your points because in most cases I agree. There are exceptions however.
Dick Vermiel and “The Greatest Show on Turf” come to mind.
Even that team depended on the domes to survive. They wouldn’t have fared well in Pittsburgh or Green Bay IMO…but in great playing conditions they were hard to stop.
November 29th, 2020 at 2:39 pm
The object of the game is to win the game. I’d you score a lot,but still don’t win, then you failed.