Orlovsky: Brady Forced Pass
October 14th, 2020
Dan Orlovsky talks Tom Brady.
It’s the play that won’t go away on national sports shows.
You know what play Joe is talking about: The play where park-violating, home-invading, NFLPA-ignoring, down-forgetting Bucs quarterback Tom Brady threw to Cam Brate incomplete that ended the game for the Bucs and Brady thought it was third down.
That Thursday play has really irked hot-dog-eating-contest-protesting, mock-draft-scowling, L.L. Bean-wearing, Second Amendment abolitionist, Mike-Florio-arguing, parrot-insensitive, chewing-with-his-mouth-open, soup-gulping, California-train-romancing, anti-football proliferation, outhouse-admiring, airline-napping, steerage-flying, Yogi Berra-worshiping, urinal-picture-taking, video-game-playing, Taylor-Swift-listening, pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, craft-beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-honk, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training, Budweiser-tolerant, baseball scorecard-keeping, pasta-feasting, vomit-dodging scrooge, Kay-Adams-following, social activist and NFL insider Peter King of NBC Sports fame. He’s been on a variety of national sports shows and has been hollering about why Brady chose to throw to Brate rather than wide open Ke’Shawn Vaughn.
On his weekly podcast, King hosted former Bucs quarterback, sidelines-challenged Dan Orlovsky. There King wanted to know from a quarterback’s perspective why Brady ignored Vaughn?
Orlovsky told King, in his mind, Brady had made up his mind before the snap he was throwing to Brate come hell or high water.
Peter King: I wonder why a great player — which Tom Brady is — why do you throw to a well-covered Cameron Brate 27 yards downfield instead of a wide-open checkdown running back Ke’Shawn Vaughn regardless of where the first down line is? I want to know in that situation, to read Tom Brady’s mind.
Dan Orlovsky: The simplest way was, his mind was made up when he broke the huddle. ‘This is my playcall. I broke the huddle and it is all-go. I’ve got four verts. I like Cameron Brate on four verts. I just like the tight end. The defense lines up, OK, I love the seam on this play. That’s all. I’m throwing this football.’ Quarterbacks will often do that.
Orlovsky believes the reason Brady made up his mind was that on a previous play, Brady may have noticed Brate open on the same route and Brady made a mental note to return to that play later. Hence the forced pass.
Quarterbacks decide well before the snap they are throwing to a specific receiver no matter the circumstances more often than fans realize., Orlovsky noted.
Gee, Joe thought the Bucs brought in Brady, in part, because of his elite ability to scan the field and distribute the ball to open receivers. The way Orlovsky spells it out, what Brady pulled was just the opposite.
October 14th, 2020 at 12:11 pm
But he is also not a mind reader and does not know for sure. Just a guess.
October 14th, 2020 at 12:12 pm
I beleive Jameis did the same thing often which resulted in ints. especially when you are trying to get the ball out quicker IMO.
Thats why i believe Brady preached on route running, getting seperation, and finishing the route. When these receivers turn around, get your hands up, be ready.
Brate got cut underneath, the defensive back was in a perfect position to break it up. D back might have mad a mental note on that play too.
October 14th, 2020 at 12:17 pm
Brate is useful around the goal line and pretty much useless in the middle of the field where separation is key. He’s just to slow. I’ll give Brady a pass on this play because maybe he doesn’t realize how slow Brate is.
Next time he needs to avoid Brate especially that far down the field.
October 14th, 2020 at 12:18 pm
Correct. There are no perfect qb’s and never will be.
Like the confidence. The missing detail is that he thought it was third down.
GREAT JOB COACHES. Maybe next time, everytime, you announce the down on crucial downs to your qb.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Brady was used to this type of heads up in New England, because they are on the DETAILS.
October 14th, 2020 at 12:20 pm
I must admit, I am disappointed in Brady with the last two offensive drives….this is why we got him…..to produce game-winning drives…..poor execution…..
Every QB has a bad play/drive/game…..even Tom Brady.
October 14th, 2020 at 12:26 pm
We very much needed to win that Chicago game, because these next 2 games are far from sure wins.
We very much can lose these next 2 games, and there goes our season.
October 14th, 2020 at 12:26 pm
I remember a story on this about JW being bad for doing this same thing. But Brady now? Is something in the water in OBP?
October 14th, 2020 at 12:49 pm
Has anyone asked Brady?
October 14th, 2020 at 1:03 pm
only losers care about the previous qb who was a BUST and currently a 3rd stringer….what a sad soul….
GO BUCS!!!!
October 14th, 2020 at 1:06 pm
Really Joe???
Orlovsky has credible input????? You should ask America’s Backup Quarterback for his input. Smh
October 14th, 2020 at 1:07 pm
813
Jealous much?
October 14th, 2020 at 1:11 pm
LaCarcass, whining about #3 much?
October 14th, 2020 at 1:16 pm
>Down forgetting
Man Joe all those Monikers we could have assigned Jay Miss over the year.
Sad
October 14th, 2020 at 1:21 pm
Anybody wanna discuss Jamies Winston? Who cares about our 3-2 start and a huge game coming up in a few days? Talking about Jamies is all i wanna do.
October 14th, 2020 at 1:25 pm
Yeah Jimmy lets talk about Jameis some more. that seems to be the trend with this website anyway. For some reason the Joes and a lot of users on here just can’t get over it.
October 14th, 2020 at 1:55 pm
orlovsky is an idiot. he may be right but clearly brady was taking a shot play because he thought it was third down. this game will be etched in our minds for the rest of the season until it no longer matters (once* we clinch the division?). just a horrible game. im finally over it and moving on to the packers as should the rest of us. it may hurt us in the end but need to move on.
October 14th, 2020 at 2:10 pm
I am sure Brady has done this many times like all QB’s. Brady has been so accurate he could do it, but it did not work the other night. Jameis would do this, so many times he would lock on to a receiver, mainly Mike Evans but Jameis was not consistently accurate enough, to be able to play that way. Really when you watch QB’s, it will always be about chemistry- meaning someone the QB is comfortable and trusts. That will never change, no matter who the QB is because that is human nature. Just keep Toms Jersey clean, and pound the rock, not complicated and they will be fine. GO BUCS!!!
October 14th, 2020 at 2:58 pm
“Analyst” Danny O’…the fella best known for rolling out the back of the end zone on an eventual 0-16 team is the expert on this matter? Ok.
October 14th, 2020 at 4:33 pm
Lamarcus and NDog must sit around all day and jerk off to Winston’s baseba highlights .
October 14th, 2020 at 4:58 pm
Brady did not have Belichick in his ear counting to four for him.
October 14th, 2020 at 5:03 pm
Evolvingbucsfan Says:
October 14th, 2020 at 12:12 pm
I beleive Jameis did the same thing often which resulted in ints. especially when you are trying to get the ball out quicker IMO.
Jameis did not do that bro. You making stuff up to not admit that Jameis was not the problem. Chris Godwin stated that half of the interceptions was not Jameis’ fault.
October 15th, 2020 at 10:46 am
here’s a thought:
for twenty yrs you’ve developed the habits of how you scan the field;
hone your sense of timing within those habits, have played within a conservative offensive perspective (take what is given; move the chains live for the next down)
twenty yrs.
now for 3 months you’ve been coached/instructed to play differently
you scan the field from long to short instead of short long
which means you internal clock is already off because your first read
is available longer after the snap (because it takes the receiver longer
to get down field) … your told by your coach “i don’t care if your third and one,
if you got a match-up one-on-one that you like throw it.”-from his book pg 6.
sounds like it supports / provides context for orlovsky’s decided on reciever hypothisis
sounds like match-ups takes precedence over situational football and even needing to see the receiver open.
certainly consistent w leftwich we do what we do on offense we don’t adjust our gameplan based upon actual results during game
pocket presence/internal clock interrelationship is changed because of the new scan pattern
my guess is brady never got to see vaughn in the progression
1. because of the above
2. because if he saw him hard to believe he wouldn’t have thrown it
conjecture in bradys previous system he sees vaughn sooner and never gets to longer receiver or brate.
no risk it/ no bisket / no first down
last yr it bugged me with 3rd and 3 or less we would throw 30+ yrd passes.
jim
October 15th, 2020 at 2:56 pm
Joe’s Stupidity is on display and no one calls him on it. Over one hundred yards in penalties, dropped balls, mediocre defense, terrible run excecution , predictable play calling. What does company lemming Joe do. Run interference for the company of course. Blame Brady and bring in a3rd rate QB as an EXPERT to supposedly bolster his blame game.