Ira Kaufman’s 10 Takeaways From Bucs-Chargers
October 4th, 2020
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BY IRA KAUFMAN
For most of the opening half, it was as bad as it gets.
Tampa Bay’s dreary play matched the dreary weather through 29 minutes, but these Bucs never gave up. Tom Brady wouldn’t let them. He shrugged off another pick-6 and kept firing and when the final cannon fired, the Bucs had themselves a gutty victory.
They still sit atop the NFC South, but Buc players know they’ll have to raise their game to stay there. Although the beat-up Chargers were ready to play, led by stellar rookie quarterback Justin Herbert, Tampa Bay’s talent disparity wore them down.
Brady was relentless, finding nine different targets. Even Cameron Brate. The Invisible Man, got in on the action, making a nice diving catch in the end zone for a 7-0 advantage before Los Angeles reeled off 24 consecutive points.
In the end, the better team prevailed, although the Bucs were far from their best. They now travel to Chicago on a short week, knowing a national audience and their peers around the league will be watching. Let’s see if the Bucs can clean up Sunday’s mess before they get to prime time.
Give the undermanned Chargers credit — they played hard after a cross-country trip. A critical turnover shifted momentum and the Bucs now have a 3-game winning streak. They didn’t earn many style points, but here’s how they dispatched the pesky visitors.
* The Brady Effect was on full display Sunday. He simply was not going to allow his team to lose a game they had no business losing. He picked out a different target for each of his five TD passes and shook off an erratic first half to shred the Chargers when it counted. He showed great trust in Scotty Miller and Mike Evans and his 29-yard completion to Rob Gronkowski was huge.
* Give the offensive line its props for rebounding from a subpar effort in Denver. Brady was not sacked, absorbing only five hits, while the run blocking improved significantly. Penalties were an issue once again, but this unit displayed physicality and kept Joey Bosa quiet.
* Ronald Jones ran as hard as Buc fans have ever seen him run, finishing with 111 yards in 20 carries. He made some guys miss and ran over several others, helping Tampa Bay to a plus-23 advantage in offensive snaps. “He just kept pounding,” Arians said. The lone blemish came when Jones was called upon as a target out of the backfield. Brady sent a team-high nine passes his way and Jones managed only 17 yards on six receptions. His hands remain a concern.
* Herbert hardly looked like a rookie, completing 20-of-25 throws against a blitz-happy game plan designed to force him into mistakes. Instead, Herbert stood tall against all those extra pass rushers Todd Bowles dispatched, side-stepping pressure or finding his backs on effective flares. After the game, Bruce Arians called Herbert “special.” Weary Buc defenders are in no position to dispute the point.
* Speaking of those Buc defenders, the streak is officially over. That run of nine consecutive solid games by the Bowles crew ended Sunday as Herbert posted a dazzling QB rating of 137.9, despite operating behind a patchwork offensive line. His TD throws went to household names like Tyron Johnson, Donald Parham Jr. and Jalen Guyton. Johnson and Parham had combined for ZERO NFL catches coming into the game while Guyton had all of four career receptions. This was a major step back for Tampa Bay’s young secondary.
* Who knows how many points the Chargers would have scored if not for Lavonte David? The man was everywhere, posting 10 solo tackles, five more than any other Buccaneer. Add in a tackle for loss and a pass defended and it was yet another outstanding effort by the most consistent player on the 2020 Bucs.
* Let’s not forget about punter Bradley Pinion, who was average last year but has excelled in the early season. Pinion’s three punts went for 57, 58 and 56 yards and two of them pinned the Chargers inside their own 20. As usual, he continues to boom kickoffs well into the end zone for touchbacks.
* Evans deserves praise for playing through a foot injury and burning Los Angeles for 122 yards, despite attracting extra attention with the absence of Chris Godwin. He caught seven of his eight targets and showed once again that he is among the most physical receivers in the league.
* The initial reports on O.J. Howard’s injured Achilles’ are dire, and that’s a tough blow for a team whose receiving corps is banged up heading into the Windy City. Brady and Howard were developing a nice rapport, so look for Gronkowski and Brate to receive more targets the rest of the way.
* Arians said that last year’s Buc team would have rolled over from a 24-7 deficit. We’ll never know, but what we do know is Brady’s competitive fire is infectious. He craves challenges, and he helped create that 17-point hole with some poor throws. Instead of sulking, Brady showed Buc Nation that only a fool ever counts him out. By the way, the man’s on pace for 44 TD passes. That’s one to celebrate every year he’s been alive, plus a cherry on top.
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October 4th, 2020 at 6:15 pm
Ndog is a rare breed for sure. He makes excuses for losing and winning šš¤”.
October 4th, 2020 at 6:27 pm
Suhās play before halftime was huge
October 4th, 2020 at 6:32 pm
Nice article as usual Ira
October 4th, 2020 at 6:33 pm
Is there anyone on the planet that doesn’t think this team will play differently when coming from behind now with Brady (having just proven it) vs. Winston when they’d often give up because he dug them such a huge hole?
BRADY = MAKES THE REST OF THE TEAM “BELIEVE”
October 4th, 2020 at 6:49 pm
What a dramatic game. I had to stream it here in orlando
They are showing it wednesday night. Cant wait.
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And yes ira. I agree. Herbertās time is coming. Chargers have to be excited.
Was that play just before half a miracle ?
Yup
And then brady went full GOAT mode in second half
October 4th, 2020 at 6:51 pm
I SO canāt wait to read Iras article after OUR Bucs beat up HIS Chiefs! That will be a fun read!
October 4th, 2020 at 7:00 pm
Hebert’s passes to no-names gives me confidence that Brady will hit Scotty, Johnson, Watson and whoever else we put out there.
Shame on me for complaining about too many good TEs.
Rojo was very strong….if he can continue that sort of plays….it will by our banged-up receiver corps time to heal.
Succop proved he was human….last year, that miss would have sent the rest of the team into a depression….but Brady would never let that happen.
I don’t know about anyone else but I did not like the playcalling in the red zone on our last drive…..we should have thrown for a TD & sealed the game.
October 4th, 2020 at 7:01 pm
buy our receiver corps time to heal
October 4th, 2020 at 7:06 pm
Chargers o line was holding the entire game and our line should be getting more calls
October 4th, 2020 at 7:15 pm
I was impressed by Herbert’s maturity through most of the game. I was more impressed with the offensive game plan LAC had. In the first half, they sure did seem to have the Bucs’ number. They called some great plays against our defense. Why don’t the Bucs ever have players that wide open?
October 4th, 2020 at 7:15 pm
For the record: Wirfs owned Bosa.
October 4th, 2020 at 7:16 pm
The first half Bucs were busy reading their press clippings and got embarassed.
I hope Arians chewed them good at halftime, because the entire team deserved it.
Second half was a different story…
October 4th, 2020 at 7:19 pm
Our defense will redeem themselves Thursday against the Bears! They have not been very good offensively, no matter whoās under center.
October 4th, 2020 at 7:34 pm
Why in this town is it always about one player?
Brady Brady Brady that’s all y’all talk about.
How about the oline dominated. The defense gets two TOs to bail out there QB.
By the way this is the exact same week Jameis blew up last year at the Rams, pick 6 and all.
When are you people going to learn it isn’t Brady’s unbelievable will that drug them to victory? It was them playing better at times so they won plain and simple. The defense didn’t allow Herbert to drive down the field like last year, instead they got a pick. They didn’t run twice or get a holding call to put then in 3rd and long to kill drive to eat the clock. THEY played better around the QB it wasn’t the QBs magic dust how about we realize that White, Bunting, Dean, Edwards, Jones are better players in their 2nd and 3rd year or that Whifrs is better as a rookie than Dotson ever was or that Gronks blocking in the run game is better than any run blocking TE we’ve had since Giles?
These are why we won not cause of some mythical BS that the luckiest athlete to ever live brought with him.
Can’t you people see he is just the benefactor of this team being READY to win. Why do you think he wanted to come here? He basically stole this job and he’s benefitting from it just like the selfish a$$ he is.
October 4th, 2020 at 7:40 pm
Ndog… How did Brady “steal” the job? And from whom did he steal it?
October 4th, 2020 at 7:48 pm
Ndog,
Maybe Brady is teaching this team how to be READY TO WIN. The team plays better for brady cause they believe that even though they are down by 17, he can go 15-17 with 250 yards and 3 tds in the 2nd half. This is a better team than last year, but they are also much mpre confident.
Either way, lets support the TEAM that is now 3-1 for the first time since 2011. The team that is really starting to look like they can play with anyone. The leaders of the NFC SOUTH, the TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS. Lets be happy for once.
October 4th, 2020 at 7:49 pm
The #1 take away, stop throwing to Justin Watson, he’s the Ryan Smith of the offense, nothing good happens if the ball is around him. Two pick-6’s this year, both on passes to Watson.
October 4th, 2020 at 7:49 pm
Donāt give Ndog the benefit of a response. Iāve learned the hard way, youāre just giving him what he wants. Brady is the GOAT and just like in NE some people are just going to hate him for it. Kinda sad.
October 4th, 2020 at 7:50 pm
Keenan Allen talking trash about Evans – well, how did that turn out. LOL!
Sorry Allen, you’re not at the level of Evans. You’re still really good, but Evans is a future HOFer.
October 4th, 2020 at 7:53 pm
Yah. Yah
Ndog posted again
I love these. He is so sad people.
He states bucs āready to winā but that has nothing to do with Brady who actually is the most winning qb of all time
And What he doesnt comment on were they were ready to lose before brady
Losing culture before.
What a dum dum
October 4th, 2020 at 7:54 pm
I think it’s funny that people get on me for not “supporting” the team when the same people NEVER supported the team when Jameis was here. Two faced much?
October 4th, 2020 at 7:54 pm
Ira forgot to add the following:
Ryan succup just changed his name to ryan suc-balls
October 4th, 2020 at 8:00 pm
How did he steal it you ask?
Well that is simple while this team was a train wreck the last 4 and a half years Jameis had to deal with what he had around him. Now that the team is ready Brady gets to walk in a benefit from all someone else’s suffering. This should be Jameis getting this opportunity with a real running game, a real defense and a component kicker.
It’s utter BS that Brady’s going to get all the credit when this team was going to win either way. You can already tell that Evans is getting tired of being asked about Brady being the reason they won. Listen to his answers he always talks about ALL the great players this team has trying to avoid the medias love fest with the selfish one.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:00 pm
Ndog with another great post
We never supported the team?
Thats classic. Again. So sad. So many tears.
Yah we were rooting for the bucs to lose you moron cause thats what i want to watch when i drive all the way over from orlando to watch a crapfest …spending thousands on the game / food / hotel / entertainment
Hey ndog. Its ok not to manlove a player. Or even care for a player. Its about the team and winning
Take keyshawn johnson as another example. He was a tool. Most people agreeds. But nobody rooted against the team because of him.
You look terrible again. I love these days.
Ndog is 50 years old and acting like this
October 4th, 2020 at 8:02 pm
Ndog, almost everyone on this site supported the team. However, they were not fond of Jay Miss. We would have been destroyed in this game if Jay Miss were the QB.
However, it’s not hard to find him. He’s got a pen by his ear, a visor on and he’s 3rd string in NOLA. Check yo sheet!
October 4th, 2020 at 8:03 pm
Guess what NDogTurd, I WAS a Winston supporter. Iām a FSU homer from the early 70ās in fact, so was really excited when the Bucs drafted him. But after watching 5 years of turnovers and carelessness with the ball, I had enough. You know why? Because Iām Bucs fan, not a Winston nut hugger like you.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:04 pm
Nwindbag, all you did was make excuses for the end of last year when the Messiah threw pic 6s when it mattered most because he didn’t have his receivers. Brady had no Godwin, a hurt Evans, no Howard in most of the 2nd half and a horrible Justin Watson. What did he do? Threw 5 TDs to 5 different guys.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:04 pm
Good win. The Chargers game in with a solid game plan. They were 2 passes away from 2 wins. The Bucs got beat in the first half, reloaded, and won the second half.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:05 pm
Wirfs was really good today.
Donovan?
His effort and passion for the game sucks.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:07 pm
BTW wake me up when we beat a team worth a crap.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:07 pm
There is no question that this was a total team effort.
Brady got huge support from the Oline, Rojo, Evans, Miller, OJ & Gronk
The Defense continued it’s stellar run stopping…..Chargers 23 for 46 yards…..that’s awesome.
The Defense caused 2 turnovers……
Even Pinion kicked all touchbacks and punted well over 50 yards putting them in bad field position
Now….how much Brady inspired the rest of the team….you’d have to ask them.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:08 pm
The Chargers coming into the game were missing 11 starters and lost another one in the first quarter. We still haven’t done Jack.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:12 pm
Ndog… You must be employed on an hourly basis. It is obvious you don’t understand how contracts work.
Let me explain…
Dick had a contract to perform a job. Jane, his employer, determined that Dick did not perform up to the expectations of the contract and that based on that, Dick’s future projections did not look promising. On top of that, Dick was demanding another contract in line with the top performers in the business. Jane decided Dick was not worth what he was asking for and decided to contract with another entity. Let’s call this entity John frickin’ Holmes. Jane decided that John frickin’ Holmes’ future, at least in the short term, exceeded Dick’s prospects and entered into a contract with him. Jane seems extremely satisfied with her decision.
You see, Ndog. In this type of work environment, Jane can contract with whomever she pleases no matter who was here first.
If, in your opinion, Brady ‘stole’ JW’s job… Did JW steal Glennon’s job?
October 4th, 2020 at 8:12 pm
Ndog pissed in the house again bad doggy
October 4th, 2020 at 8:17 pm
I don’t address Ndog…..there are plenty of others to do that…
But, I will address the issue……and it’s quite clear…….Jameis Winston joins a long list of players who are no longer Bucs…..
I don’t find it necessary to list them….you know who they are….
The important players for me are the ones who are currently on the roster.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:18 pm
Poor Jameis. So unlucky and mistreated. Take your Horsesh*t somewhere else Npup. It does not fly here. Had he been here today he would have thrown at least 2 pick 6’s trying to come from behind. You know it just like the rest of us. He would have gone into full blown panic mode. Trying to be Superman.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:21 pm
TB12 does something that I’ve never seen a Bucs QB do on a consistent basis: he gets rid of the dang ball! That’s why he wasn’t sacked today. A running attack helped tremendously. I hope Leonard Fournette and Chris Godwin are able to get healthy soon.
The defense is a quintessential ‘no risk it, no biscuit’ defense. They made good adjustments at half time, although it was troubling that four undrafted players on the Chargers scored a TD in a game. They certainly provided a spark on the fumble recovery right before half time.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:24 pm
Ndog
Give BL credit
He called a great game
GO BUCS
October 4th, 2020 at 8:24 pm
You know maybe if everyone and their brother didn’t come on this site and many others and say stupid sh/t like “we don’t win this game with Jameis” or “Jameis never brought us back like that” or “Jameis falls apart when our defense sucked like today” people like me who actually supported our team before we got Brady could actually enjoy this season. But when some a$$hats make everything a referendum on Jameis it pisses me off cause it is complete and utter bullsh/t!!! This is completely different team and some morons are trying to say this is the same defense as last year. Are you kidding me, even as bad as their we’re today it was still better today than the first half of last season!!!
October 4th, 2020 at 8:26 pm
Seeā¬ļø complete horsesh!t as last year we won games like this against the Cardinals, and Colts and should have beaten the Giants if we had a kicker at all. So keep lying to yourself it’s ok.
DBS Says:
October 4th, 2020 at 8:18 pm
Poor Jameis. So unlucky and mistreated. Take your Horsesh*t somewhere else Npup. It does not fly here. Had he been here today he would have thrown at least 2 pick 6ās trying to come from behind. You know it just like the rest of us. He would have gone into full blown panic mode. Trying to be Superman
October 4th, 2020 at 8:32 pm
Awww… gosh, npuppy. I’m truly sorry. I didn’t understand the depths that your feelings were truly hurt when people criticized JW.
Maybe if you concentrated on the team, you know, the players that are actually under contract with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, it would help you work through your feelings of loss.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:32 pm
Yeah yeah Ndog you lost the team you loved boo-hoo.
32 GMās
#clipboard
October 4th, 2020 at 8:33 pm
Now it’s us that makes it about Jameis????? You Fool you are the one that starts the crap about we should have kept him and Brady is reaping cause Jameis could have done the same.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:39 pm
Idk about yall. I want us to better than what we showed so far. We should of utterly destroyed them
October 4th, 2020 at 8:40 pm
Yes DBS you are sorry.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:41 pm
So we should have a well rested fournette to run it Thursday night? The way the Bears played today I like our chances Thursday.
October 4th, 2020 at 8:42 pm
Scratch that, that was for BuccoDav.
I apologize DBS
October 4th, 2020 at 8:45 pm
Not problem.
October 4th, 2020 at 9:05 pm
Ndog…now you’re just proving yourself to be a jackass.
Just when I thought you couldn’t get any worse…
Brady is reaping what should be Winston’s????
Is that so huh?????
Jackass.
Idiot.
October 4th, 2020 at 9:10 pm
Ouch, that hurt. š¢
October 4th, 2020 at 9:13 pm
Great win! Chargers had a great game plan. Almost beat the Chefs (still love that commercial).
We havenāt seen the come-from-behind win from this team until now. Great for confidence moving forward.
October 4th, 2020 at 9:16 pm
Congrats on a winning streak Bucs and Brady. Hopefully OJ may can return to the team next season for one more chance at a stable contract in the NFL. Brate will fill in nicely. Let’s hope Mike Evans Achilles doesn’t blow at this point. He has consistent leg issues. Everyone says he on a hall of fame pace which he is but he doesn’t look like he will last much longer with the lingering lower body injuries. It hasn’t looked good for Godwin so far and have magic in Miller and Watson. Maybe look into re acquiring Adam Humphries and restructure his deal to take some pressure off Mike until Watson begins to develop and step up for plays. Godwin can’t stay healthy and is piling up long injury history in a short season so far. Again I think Brate will stay healthy but Gronk IDK. Hudson is still awaiting if that happens. Brady doing his thang with us. I will always be a Winston guy and I feel šÆ where he is coming from with Winston, but he would have improved to 11-5 and going down in the big game one more time when his coach is running out of time. I really hope they bring Winston back at some point soon. I think Brees will come back for more in NO and he may not want to sit any longer and the Tampa opportunity could present again with the same coach. If Brady wins this season he won’t return next season. We won’t have a pick to draft the great QBs in this draft. Winston being once great could fill the bill after having a while off to recover from his past injuries and coordinate his body frame and strength with no pressure. Congrats to Brady and the Bucs though. I’m esctatic
October 4th, 2020 at 9:17 pm
You are so right, NDog. we should apologize to JW3, and beg him to come back.
Who’s with me?
tickrdr
BTW: TB12 = 11 TDs and 4 INTs ~ TD/INT ratio = 2.75 (more than 2:1)
BTW2: 11 TDs in 155 passes = 7.09% TD percentage
4 INTs in 155 passes = 2.6% INT percentage
Brady’s TD% minus INT% = 7.0 – 2.6 = 4.4
BTW3: As Iāve posted many times you need BOTH. Many TDs and few INTs.
At a minimum, twice as many TDs as INTs. a TD/INT ratio of > 2:1.
TD percentage 5% or greater.
And it would be nice to have a future MVP on our hands.
As posted previously, I like to subtract their INT% from their TD% and generate a number, and hopefully that comes out close to these!
2019 Lamar Jackson: TD% ā INT% = 7.5
2018 Mahomes = 6.5
2017 Brady = 4.4
2016 Ryan = 5.8
2015 Newton = 5.1
2014 Rodgers = 6.3
2013 Manning = 6.8
Winstonās best year to date was only 1.8, and last year that calculation yielded only 0.5!
tickrdr
October 4th, 2020 at 9:21 pm
BTW4:
tickrdr Says:
March 9th, 2020 at 2:25 pm
Daniel Jeremiahās Mock Draft 2.0 has Justin Herbert falling to #23 in the first round, taken by the Patriots. Iām still hoping the Bucs move up in the draft to take him, even if they have to throw in OJ Howard plus whatever it takes.
(cardiologist ducks and runs for cover)
tickrdr
October 4th, 2020 at 9:21 pm
The one that wears a pink Saints onesie gets very, very, very angry when people donāt love his love, old number 3. Is it ironic that his crush wears number 2 in New Orleans, and heās full of number 2?
October 4th, 2020 at 9:30 pm
@Joe:
Thank you for moderating my last post about BTW4! Can you please correct any spelling or grammatical errata you may find. Thanks very much!
tickrdr
October 4th, 2020 at 10:50 pm
First half Brady was dumpster juice. Second half Brady was vintage š
October 4th, 2020 at 11:01 pm
Sure, Iāll pile on: Doggie, you make it a point, that replacing one man, the man who touches the ball every offensive play, with someone who doesnāt make critical errors is the turning factor of winning.
October 4th, 2020 at 11:25 pm
See a lot of hate and likely overreaction about our defense after a bad game. Let’s hope it’s a wake up call for them but does anyone else wonder if maybe Bunting wasn’t 100% and was part of it? Obviously our safeties getting burned was another thing altogether but Winfield was due to have a bad game T some point. Hopefully will make him better in the long run
October 4th, 2020 at 11:30 pm
It’s funny you can look at any article and look at the amount of comments. and see when Npuppy is spewing his BS.
It’s a shame really.
October 4th, 2020 at 11:34 pm
Herbert was scary good, and to think that most of the draft experts had him graded as a “System QB”.
October 4th, 2020 at 11:35 pm
Thanks Ira, a very complete list of how the Bucs worked today.
The Leftwich side pass again failed, or is it Justin Watson that hasn’t put enough effort into it?
Come Thursday we will see. Brady will face off against Nick Foles. Brady will only have half of his possible weapons, but so will Foles.
Foles owned jameis. He could piss on his leg, call it rain, and jameis would believe it.
We will see how strong the Brady will to win is. I think it is strong enough that the Bucs will be 4-1 come Friday.
October 4th, 2020 at 11:47 pm
ndog:
someone needs to smack the winston outta ya !
October 4th, 2020 at 11:48 pm
nice read ira…
bring cozmo to the game, there’s a nice roomy seat with his name on it!
October 5th, 2020 at 12:37 am
NDog is Tmax going by a different name.
October 5th, 2020 at 1:46 am
I see why y’all can’t stand that Ndog whiner!!! Wow man get a grip dude!! Were you Winstons professional ball snuggler or something?? geez bro!!! How many come back wins has Brady had?? Even when he had subpar receivers like Hogan that he made into a good player…. Compare that to how many games did Winston actually put the game on his shoulders and win with confidence and great play?? Go ahead, I’m waiting??? Brady has a ton of those games so it’s not a coincidence or luck or any of the excuses for winning you are giving!! The only real change to this team really is Brady and a couple rookies!! ….Winston panicked in big games dude!! I liked him too but he’s not a winner!! …. And just because you say something does NOT mean you’re right bro!! You have to give at least a little credit and stop being such a bum dude!! I mean I know at this point it’s more about being a troll… But your irritating and a downer even for that!!!
October 5th, 2020 at 3:21 am
Good stuff Ira. 3-1 is sweet and I’ve barely done any reading on the dudes coming out in the next draft (just the qb prospects).
October 5th, 2020 at 6:40 am
Ndog is a whiny sniveling complaining bitch, jameis is gone, cya bye, good riddance, sick of hearing about him, no need to bring him up, might as well be talking bout glennon or freeman don’t make sense, glad we got the goat, and the catch gronk made, earned his money for sure because anyone else it probably would have been an interception, 3 – 1 how sweet, go bucs, go brady, right on!!!
October 5th, 2020 at 7:22 am
Hey Ndog. Brady, Brady, Brady!!!! š¤£šš¤£šš¤£
October 5th, 2020 at 8:20 am
IvanTheInsider….. no one had a lack of faith Jameis wouldnt bring the team back, he did that many times, and like brady, he dug holes too. The difference is… DEFENSE. We have a better defense now than before. TWO pick Sixes in 4 weeks. Jameis/Brady..whatever. but defense can shut the team on other side down.
The optimist approves this message!!
October 5th, 2020 at 11:25 pm
Needs to be tagged Everything eye-RAH! please.