“My Heart Goes Out To Them”
August 10th, 2020
Sad for college players.
Yes, Joe is well aware this is a Bucs site. And Joe is also aware of what his readers like as well. And this indirectly will affect the Bucs.
Many readers are also passionate college football fans and unfortunately, the Bucs and college football combine due to the sad events of the day.
Because of some cowardly, horribly shortsighted eggheads, it is very possible there may not be college football this year. Just this morning it was reported the B1G capitulated on the season. This seems to have begun with a football Judas at Northern Illinois over the weekend.
It seems the only school leaders with any common sense are the folks from the SEC and ACC (but watch Boston College and the wine snots in Carolina go ahead and Pearl Harbor the ACC).
If, to use a Bucs angle, there is no college football, how are the Bucs (or any NFL team) going to scout players for the draft?
Hell, if there is no college football, how can there logically be a scouting combine less than two months after the bowl season with hundreds (thousands?) all crammed under one roof in frigid Indianapolis in February?
Please don’t try to tell Joe that all of a sudden in late January and early February the virus will suddenly vanish from the continental-48 and it’s safe to pile scores of people from all corners of the country into the same giant room in a downtown convention center of a major city — when just a few weeks prior it would be unsafe for a few dozen to gather outside.
And please don’t try to con Joe that running a cone drill on Astroturf in a domed stadium suddenly makes a football player.
Anyway, Bucs running back Ronald Jones said today the college presidents stabbing players in the back, potentially ruining their NFL dreams, should force the players to band together against college eggheads.
“That is tough obviously, my heart goes out to them,” Jones said of the hundreds (thousands?) of college football players screwed out of a season and maybe millions of dollars of potential income. “I don’t know what I would do if I was in their position.
“I would just say listen to their heart. At the same time, it is tough finding that balance because guys want to play and they are trying to get to this level to accomplish their goals and dreams. With that being put on hold, it’s really tough.”
Jones then said this should motivate the players to unionize.
Joe’s not going to name the former Bucs player who went on national television this morning and claimed people wanting college football this year were selfish. Really?
What about the players who may have had their dreams crushed this morning?
What about players who may have been high draft picks now having to wait a year (provided college football is played next year), which could cost the players a fortune in a year of potential income they will never get back?
By staying in a structured football program, players, under constant testing, would never be safer from The Sickness.
Further, what about all the mom and pop businesses in college towns who need that income from gamedays to put food on the table for their children? Or athletes who just may give up on college and the NFL altogether and drop out and never get a college degree?
Even further, how about the taxpayers who now will be stuck with bills of millions of dollars to cover costs for schools that normally would have been covered by sports revenue?
All of this is being caused by eggheads Armani suits with cushy seven-figure salaries, many of whom would never be caught dead at an athletic event (unless you call chess or a lecture on the social and political ramifications of Goldilocks and the Three Bears an athletic event). This is all being done despite the implicit wishes of players and coaches.
Selfish? Really? Who exactly is being selfish here?
UPDATE: Even 45 smells a scam.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:00 pm
It’s BS- Dems from Washington DC can cram into a funeral in Atlanta
“Protesters” ( Anarchists) can do whatever with little or no consequences
Casinos can open up in Vegas, but Houses of Worship are limited to 50 people
Wake up to the politicized BS!!
August 10th, 2020 at 1:02 pm
Could the XFL’s Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson be able to seriously capitalize on this if it continues to happen? Hmmm
August 10th, 2020 at 1:04 pm
Joe…I think the hope is that we have a vaccine, and with that vaccine, the chances for infection and mortality chances go way down..assuming we have one before year end and it gets into mass production by the spring. And you can bet we seniors and these big revenue generating athletes will get that vaccine near the top of the list.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:09 pm
Frankly Alan..you do have a point. The laws and the enforcement of the laws isn’t consistent. But States have different jurisdictions and laws, and that is part of what the term “states rights” really means. And that also is why 10 to 20 percent of the population and their “super spreading events” might be responsible for almost 80 percent of the cases, as was on the News this morning. And when they travel from state to state, it is almost impossible to control without quarantine of those coming from elsewhere. And that isn’t going to fly in tourist land Florida.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:13 pm
As I said Alan…not consistent. In one small town in Wisconsin, the small police department has said they aren’t going to enforce the law.. but they have a higher number of cases compared to neighboring smaller counties. Go figure.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:37 pm
Mark2001
The government screwed this up from the get go.
Travel, don’t travel, don’t wear a mask, wear a mask…
That is why you don’t have conformity with the guidelines, which I believe are solid guidelines. Alot of people don’t trust the messagiu anymore, which is unfortunate, but understandable.
In the meantime, these mostly Democrat College Bureaucrats are messing with student athletes’ lives over politics. Don’t give me the “safety” BS.
All American Universities need to be Defunded immediately and investigated for politically motivated subversion of American values and traditions.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:41 pm
If Biden wins, the virus will be contained on Jan 21. and everything can go back to normal.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:45 pm
Alan…the problem is that we were totally unprepared. We didn’t have enough masks and other PPE even for our HC workers. I think the CDC came out like they did, because seeing how our population makes runs on things even like toilet paper, it was pretty obvious that we would have had no masks and way to protect our brave HC workers, if not for that original information.
Should it have happened that way? No…but human nature being what it is, I don’t think they had much choice but to forward that original narrative.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:46 pm
There has to be a way for the Power 5 conferences to come to a consensus towards a way to make a safe 2020 fall season for CFB, because if they don’t, RoJo is right and they will torpedo many aspiring young players future NFL careers.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:52 pm
BTW, JOE 45’s DONE! Just like the White Nationalists will be in the not too distant future. Our DEEP STATE is coming for ya!!!!! LOL
August 10th, 2020 at 1:54 pm
Well, Tampa….. We might not get our chance to go see the team .
It does add a scare element to this season And I might actually say, it adds a lot of excitement as well.
There is a crapton of mess to this season but watching some football is almost a birthright for Americans. Heck I have watched football starting on Thanksgiving Day when I was 2 months old and I havent missed a Thankgiving since…………..
And there’s no freaking way Im missing my Bucs game. And we got a lot of good things going for us right now to boot. It legitimately feels like we got a chance. We got a real playoff chance. It’s been a while…….it gonna be fun and if a miracle happens yall better to be ready to parade like never before!!!!!!!! You get to that parade!!☆ You make sure its spectaculat.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:57 pm
Mark2001
Now you sound like the Jameis apologists
It’s a virus. It’s not going away. We have to deal with it, like other things in life we don’t like, not cancel everything- that’s what brain dead liberals don’t understand- and no, I’m not a corrupt Republican either.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:13 pm
The presidents of the SEC schools have scheduled an impromptu conference call for today to discuss the 2020 season. College football is a big money-maker and does fund the lesser-attended sports. But, while colleges have been planning for football, colleges have also been reversing their position on in-person vs. online learning. The union representing university faculty has come out for remote learning only; the mood at colleges is changing rapidly.
Is this politicized, as others have written? Probably so, to a degree. Keep this in mind: had some (not all) Floridians not gone right back to partying after the lockdown, worn masks whenever possible, we might be in a better situation. And a vaccine will help stop the spread, after a while, but people will still be getting infected next year, and the next.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:24 pm
Why hasn’t 45 just asked Dr. Stella Immanuel to prescribe the cure to this hoax? Why is her groove not on? THERE IS A CURE!
August 10th, 2020 at 2:25 pm
I don’t believe this! There is serious talk about NO classes for anyone as an option this year. Yet, it is the tiny fraction of students who aspire to pro ball that are being “selfishly” deprived by Democratic egg-heads.
Meanwhile, this Joe and the fans who have responded to this thread are UN-selfishly sticking up for those poor players who may have to delay their plans for a year. Where are your tears for all this year’s college grads who have no jobs to start their careers? Where is your outrage that much of the industrialized world have tamped down their infection rates and ours is rising in approximately 20 of our 50 states?
I dare this Joe to leave up this comment. And, Ill be looking forward to anyone who cares to reply a comment. I’ll end my screed with this:
“Selfish? Really? Who exactly is being selfish here?”….Joe
August 10th, 2020 at 2:29 pm
Joe, it sounds like you do not take this thing very seriously. It’s fine if you don’t, but many people have genuine concerns. Many of the same people who call this a hoax have died from it. People that have survived it will have long term issues. Sure, the athletes will likely not suffer but this thing easily passes to people that do.
This is precisely why I think there needs to be a secondary league. It’s a good thing The Rock bought the XFL because this is where a league like this could really shine. The NFL should not be solely dependent on college football. The NBA, MLB, and NHL all have minor leagues yet the biggest revenue generating sport in the country does not.
Lastly, the response across all levels of government on both sides of the political spectrum has been poor. If the world is a village the United States has been acting like the village idiot. Most other countries are well on their way to recovering while we are still having serious issues.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:30 pm
It is a virus… one that has killed over 160,000 Americans and counting. And likely won’t go away.
We have to deal with all sorts of death defying occurrences in life. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t make those life risking decisions with more than an ounce of reason.
Many of us are prudent to reasonably attempt to avoid contracting the virus that might kill us, or financially bankrupting us. We can disagree with reasonable attempt means. But to ignore it, deny it, or act like it is simply a part of life is kind of crazy. After all, so is death.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:32 pm
+160K dead with no vaccine. Many more hundreds of thousands hospitalized/intubated. Not sure of the demographics, but I’m betting its pretty well spread amongst democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives. The virus doesn’t care. Spend more time working on solutions to the safety aspect of it and less time pointing fingers (the purist manifestation of politics). Then, maybe we can have kids in school, people at work, college football, you name it. Go Bucs!
August 10th, 2020 at 2:32 pm
And so you make a brilliant case here Joe ! Bravo ! All points you made as to why we keep on going and live life . This hiding out and shutting down is “ the cure worse that the disease”. ! Damned if you do and damned if you don’t ! We all know the facts that this kills the elderly and already at risk . Let those who wish to hide and cower down do so , don’t participate if you want to play safe in your bubble , just don’t expect everyone else to play by your rules !
August 10th, 2020 at 2:36 pm
That would be inaccurate. Very inaccurate.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:36 pm
At the end of the day most college football players have a snow balls chance of making it into the NFL. There is the very real possibility colleges will have to cancel all in person classes and go to remote learning just mere months into the fall semester.
If it’s not safe enough to attend classes or have students online for fall semester. Then it’s not safe enough to have college football. At the end of the day most CFB players are students themselves with a snowballs chance of getting into the NFL.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:41 pm
Joe doesn’t think there is “one way” to fight this. Not only does it differ from country to country but also state to state.
Florida did great initially and threw off the chains after a few weeks. Some people blame the flareup on kids partying at bars. (Who knows?).
California had one of the strictest lockdowns in the country — and their economy is in shambles as a result. Yet that state had a massive flareup about the same time as Florida did.
So, about your brave dare, what does Joe get in return, eh?
Joe can’t be “outraged” at a virus any more than Joe can be “outraged” at a stomach flu. Joe can only take care of himself — and does so. What others do, Joe doesn’t care.
If anything, Joe is “outraged” at the MFers who hatched this disease in a lab and allegedly tried to hide it from the world.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:43 pm
Dlavid – hiding out and shutting down is unnecessary, and counter-productive. But, playing by the rules is needed. It’s true that most deaths have come to older people. In Florida, 82% of deaths are with people 65 and older. At the same time, 65% of new cases/infections are with people aged 25-64, and the median age of new cases has dropped from 65 to 41. If you are younger you will likely recover from this disease and if you play by the rules you can avoid infecting others.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:44 pm
Dlavid… Everyone talks about the economic impact of the attempts to control this disease..shutdowns and such. But how about the cost of treating it? The cost of this disease is weakening SS and Medicare, costing insurance companies a fortune, putting more hospitals and states in the red, and ravaging families. The fiscal and monetary policies will increase the debt and devalue the dollar. The sooner we get this under control, the better. And if we all do our part, the sooner that will happen.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:47 pm
D-Rome Says:
***United States has been acting like the village idiot.***
Actually, I would label it as Dissociative Identity Disorder, aka Multiple Personality Disorder.
The separation gulf between the two leading parties is growing greater by the day and even when people generally agree, you can’t please everyone all the time.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:07 pm
Maybe now kids will go to school for an education instead of playing in the NFL.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:15 pm
The virus will go away rapidly beginning Nov 4, faster than that Ford person was tossed off the cliff following the Kavanaugh confirmation.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:18 pm
There was no right way or wrong way to fight this. And the problem is our government works from the bottom up.
Local towns were doing something different than their counties.
Counties were doing stuff different from their states.
States were doing stuff different from what the president and the feds said.
Whatever. They were all trying to do with a soft fit I don’t blame one party or the other.
There were however, some governors like Cuomo and the woman in Michigan, who took it upon themselves to act like dictators and they should be sued and thrown out of office as soon as they can.
The numbers are all over the place but one thing has been consistent, if you are not an infant or over 65- Go back to school and go back to work and be cautious. Those who are vulnerable need to take more care, those who aren’t need to get this country moving again.
A vaccine is not going to be a cure. It may never happen.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:25 pm
Today is a sad day in America. ALL because of the politicization of the sickness
August 10th, 2020 at 3:29 pm
As they should. Not sure why counties that were barely affected should be under the same lockdown orders as counties that were hit hard.
For example, in Florida there is not that much movement from county to county (unlike New York/Jersey or Chicagoland), etc.). So why should counties like Citrus or Dixie have everything shut down where the virus was minimal just because it flared up in Hillsborough or Dade? And vice-versa.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:30 pm
Meanwhile a study in India suggests HCQ administered properly greatly lowers the risk and infection. Don’t want that to happen shortly before the election do we?
Football can be saved if we civilians quit letting our government play politics with the sickness.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:43 pm
Shame on you Joe
August 10th, 2020 at 3:43 pm
Clod… if the science proves out in well controlled studies, more power to it. The more effective treatments the better. But as of a week ago, it hadn’t, as was said in testimony before congress.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:50 pm
Based on the evidence, it does not matter if a state or country shuts down fully or not.
And “cases” do NOT = “deaths” although “the sky is falling” crowd wishes it were so.
“Cases” means “maybe you get a bad flu, or maybe you don’t.” The death rate is tiny by comparison. And currently, the DCD dos not distinguish between deaths by pneumonia, flu and CV19…they are all lumped together.
Convenient, huh?
August 10th, 2020 at 3:50 pm
“So, about your brave dare, what does Joe get in return, eh?”…Joe
OK Joe, here is a point by point reply.
The fact that we did NOT act as a unified country is EXACTLY the reason we are so screwed up. NY in total lockdown while Florida is full-tilt boogie, beach loving, bars full business as usual. You guys wanted all those NY tourist $$ and you got full blown outbreak with it.
“Who knows why Florida had a flareup”. What a crock! Fouci or anyone with a clear mind know why. Full bars, crowded beaches and did I mention the Dear Leader and his lappup gov. discouraging mask wearing and social distancing. That’s why!
California is a huge state and the “flareup” has occurred in SoCal. If you knew anything about it you would know that California is a blue state with very heavy Republican bent in SoCal. My daughter lives there and ifs full of stories that mirror comments made here.
“What others do, Joe doesn’t care.”…Joe
THAT is #1 reason we are in the mess we are. Would care if I sneezed or coughed on you, your wife or kids at the grocery store and I’m not wearing a mask because “it’s UN-constitutional”? The reason we are going to have to wait for the election to get better is that so many are unconcerned about others. Primary use of a mask is to prevent you and others from getting it from a non-symptomatic carrier. Individualism is baked into the US culture. But, that doesn’t mean it should not be tamped down for the few months until we get this thing controlled. A good analogy is a lifeboat full of passengers. One way to survive is to throw everyone else overboard. I submit that is not the suggested method by any civilized standard.
“If anything, Joe is “outraged” at the MFers who hatched this disease in a lab and allegedly tried to hide it from the world.”…Joe
Oh Joe, you have drunk the kool-aid and now seem intent on bottling it. There is zero evidence that this thing was lab developed. China certainly may have been less than candid at the start. Very much like someone I know of that has said “soon it will be zero cases”, “it will go away in the spring”, “we have made great progress”, and the classic “we have those cases because we do so much testing.” Got any outrage over those comments?
You know Joe, as I burn a half and hour writing this response the thought came to me, “Why am I wasting my time doing this?” The answer is if I can change any one person’s mind and that person doesn’t catch it and die it is worth it. I lived in Dunedin for 25 years and I loved it. I hate to see it needlessly flog itself into illness and sometime deaths.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:54 pm
@Clodhopper: therre are also countries who use Ivermectin with an antibiotic & zinc with astounding success against the virus.
That seems to be thre protocol here (DR) and the death rate has dropped dramatically.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:56 pm
@Mark2001: there have been NUMEROUS studies that show great success with HCQ cocktail, and the studies that did not have been withdrawn or badly flawed (like use on very, very sick patients in end stage, not on patients shortly after onset of first symptom.)
Testimony before congress is politics, not science.
August 10th, 2020 at 4:08 pm
Because we are not a unified country. And in many ways Joe hopes that never happens.
We could go state-by-state and look at the teeth of shutdowns and how each state came out of it. There isn’t a one-size fits all. In fact in Florida, only a handful of counties had flareups.
And no, Joe doesn’t care what other people do. None of Joe’s business and Joe is not a control freak. Hey, some folks choose to jump out of perfectly good airplanes. That’s their call. Why should Joe sweat if the chute doesn’t open? Joe’s not the one jumping out of the plane.
And if someone coughs on Joe (happened before we were ordered to wear Antifa masks but — surprise! — Joe survived), why should Joe worry, he’s wearing an Antifa mask. Are you suggesting the Antifa masks don’t work? Really? Uh, oh!
August 10th, 2020 at 4:11 pm
TBBF has said from the beginning that the NFL would make EVERY EFFORT to play this year….the billions are just too large to walk away from.
Billions at stake in the NCAA as well but a HUGE difference. One is a professional league with highly paid athletes free to make a decision and some get paid anyway. It has a “Commissioner” and central power.
The NCAA is “supposed to be for student athletes.” It’s not supposed to be a minor league for the NFL. I realize it’s evolved into that but the Colleges hate to admit that. As ROJO said they players should unionize and get their share of the pie.
Meanwhile while $$$ drive everything but in the case of the NCAA there are serious liability issues. How can they possibly play football if their campuses are not open? I suspect the attorneys have had some serious input here.
August 10th, 2020 at 4:26 pm
“If anything, Joe is “outraged” at the MFers who hatched this disease in a lab and allegedly tried to hide it from the world.”
This is so true it’s an absolute fact! It was on General Tso’s orders, too. Egg roll my eyes.
August 10th, 2020 at 4:30 pm
@mark2001
“The cost of this disease is weakening SS and Medicare”
So is a recently signed BS Obama-like Imperialistic executive order signed by the maroon-in-chief
August 10th, 2020 at 4:40 pm
Cobra… Fauci somewhat explained it to you how credible scientific study is conducted, and said there is no proven scientific study that has met normal scientific rigor. Listen to his testimony if you want to learn what the problem was with that study. Other studies have had procedural problems as well, and don’t pass scientific muster. To paraphrase it, HCQ has not been proven to be effective in Covid treatment. For instance, the one in Detroit didn’t have proper controls…the patients also received steroids, which have been shown to be effective. Fauci doesn’t have business interests or friends profiting from any drug. In science lab classes you should learn what it means to do an experiment properly, prove a hypothesis and subject it to scientific analysis and review. Don’t want to get down in the weeds on this, but really… bottom line…I hope it does prove to be effective. But so far, it hasn’t met the muster, as some other meds have. And I don’t view this as a political issue. It is a medical and scientific issue.
August 10th, 2020 at 4:43 pm
Wacko…I heard it was first discovered in a pig, named Moo Shu. Or was that a chicken? Yum.
August 10th, 2020 at 5:14 pm
“Are you suggesting the Antifa masks don’t work? Really? Uh, oh!”…Joe
Oh Joe! Such a (less than intelligent) statement.
1. Masks primarily prevent the wearer from infecting others. Hence, you’re encouraged to do so for the sake of others. No concern of yours, I guess.
2. There MAY be some protection of the wearer.
3. Has Antifa surfaced before in this discussion today anyplace- -other than you bringing it up. Great tactic demonstrated by Kelly Ann Conway . If asked a question you don’t want to answer just say, “Well, what about….(in your case Antifa.) Diversion is best response.
It’s your blog.
August 10th, 2020 at 5:15 pm
BTW Wacko… that payroll FICA deduction suspension was just a delay. The idea is to give you a little bump in your check today, and make you pay it back at the end of the year. Kind of like putting back the tax deadline…..Or mortgage, college loans, or rent eviction moratorium without eliminating the financial responsibility. You know…push it back and hit you between the eyes with it after the election. Or Florida having to kick in in a hundred dollars a week for those unemployed, for those losing jobs because of Covid getting help from the Federal Government. Aren’t there about 1.4 million Floridians unemployed? Wacko…I’m worried that you. just don’t understand politics.
OK Cobra…this post does border on being political. But what about it isn’t right about it?
August 10th, 2020 at 5:55 pm
If someone told me ten years ago that in 2020 we would put healthy people on lockdown, make everyone wear masks, destroy the economy, cancel college football, and play pro football in stands without fans, I would first ask about the health of my family and friends. Then I’d ask the Gypsy fortune teller how many millions died in America from the sickness. When she replied “fewer than 200,000”, I would’ve slapped her and demanded my money back for giving me such a BS reading of her crystal ball.
August 10th, 2020 at 6:05 pm
@bucsfaninOregon Says:
If you knew anything about it you would know that California is a blue state with very heavy Republican bent in SoCal.
Correct that California is a blue state. However, LA county is the area of California with all the cases. That is what many would consider SoCal. There is about 10 million people in LA county. The size of New Jersey. It is about 70 percent democratic about 25 percent Republican and 5 percent other.
I think the next largest SoCal county is Orange with 3 million people. They are about 50/50 republican/democrat.
August 10th, 2020 at 6:11 pm
Mark
Do you know of any studies that study the actual claims? Giving it early and with the other drugs? The studies Fauci spoke of in congressional testimony did NOT. They didn’t even test the actual claims. Ask yourself why they refuse to study that. Your guess is as good as mine. India however DID test those claims.
August 10th, 2020 at 6:25 pm
@bucsfaninOregon Says:
Could you give us an example in Florida where opening the beaches has lead to any super spreading events.
i prefer like Joe that different communities work on their own to decide what is best for them. I believe in states rights, I believe in local county rights, i believe in local city rights. I believe in individual rights if they do not impede with the community values and rights.
I do not understand why people in our country want more and more power to the POTUS. People applaud the president if the idea is one they like – they hate him if it is an idea they don’t like.
FDR was the biggest expansion of presidential powers and to me was bad for our country moving forward. Those expansions continue with President Obama signing DACA and President Trump signing executive orders on stimulus. Examples of too much power to our Presidents. Those should have been Congress responsibilities but all the leaders of the Democratic party and Republican party do are send out sound bytes against the other party.
i do not think that Governor DeSantis has done everything right but I do appreciate his continued dialogue that local jurisdictions have to decide what will work best in their communities. The state and federal governments need to support those communities but local citizens and local governments have to work together to stop spread.
I always find it interesting when someone says that we have to stop college kids from playing football because we do not know the long term effects that COVID-19 might have on them. Although I agree that we do not know the long term effects for sure, the weight of evidence today suggests that a huge majority of college students will not have long term effects from Covid-19.
However, we know that there are huge amounts of long term effects associated with these same student athletes bashing their heads and bodies together in the physicality of the sport and on this site we applaud them being able to make that choice and allow them to seek a career in the NFL for their financial success and our enjoyment.
It is so hypocritical to say that we have to protect them from COVID-19 if they choose to play.
August 10th, 2020 at 6:54 pm
Clod… in the scientific world, claims aren’t accepted unless tested and proven true. They are simply unproven hypothesis’s…unless you test them and they prove to be true. That is how scientific research always work. You make a hypothesis, set up the experiment properly, measure the results, and if the test is set up properly and the results are verified, it is proven.
If we tried to disprove every crackpot theory out there, and there are a boatload full, we would never have time to conduct real research. It is only considered true by the scientific community when proven true. Until then it is only an unproven hypothesis at best.
August 10th, 2020 at 7:00 pm
So Clod…ingest what you will. Some have even suggested injecting bleach or disinfectant as a treatment. I wouldn’t not, as some experiments have determined those things can possibly be fatal if done. Those products go through testing in product development, and aren’t recommended for these applications. I’ll stand with the scientists. BTW…Putting sunlight inside of the body is obviously impractical to anyone but a toddler.
August 10th, 2020 at 7:02 pm
Though some in India may have “tested” the claims, they obviously don’t meet the scientific standards of the rest of the world, including Fauci, who investigates these claims constantly. You don’t expect him to respond to every claim, do you?
August 10th, 2020 at 7:25 pm
@Mark2001: I, for one, do NOT need Fauci or anyone else to tell me how the scientific method is done.
There are plenty of studies out there. In fact, I think it was 2005, Fauci hisownself claimed HCQ was effective on coronavirus. Go Rage Google and see for yourself.
Practicing doctors are the ones who should be allowed to treat patients as they are trained to do, not some progressive goddamn gubmint bureaucrat who has not treated a patient personally in 45 years, and who has a vested financial stake in future revenues from a vaccine.
Your primary mistake is thinking I am a compliant serf like you who cannot think, read and research for myself.
The fact you do NOT know of the 50-some odd legit studies that show positive effects from the HCQ cocktail says more about YOUR knowledge and curiosity than it does mine.
What passes as “cool bro stuff” in your Antifa-ville doesn’t wash to knowledgeable normal people who want nothing to do with your neo-communism.
August 10th, 2020 at 7:26 pm
Mark
You answered zero of my questions. I’m not even gonna argue the Lysol spin job
I’ll be happy to admit HCQ doesn’t work if and when they actually test what is claimed.
Why haven’t the scientists you deem worthy studied the actual claims? Why is that do you think? Don’t you want to know the answer? Why are the scientist that are not testing the actual claims good enough for you? Shouldn’t testing the actual claims be a good scientists biggest priority? You’re ok with not knowing the true answer because they refuse to study the actual claims?
August 10th, 2020 at 7:29 pm
Shouldn’t Fauci want to know the truth? Why is he so disinterested in studying the actual claims? And why do you put so much weight on a scientist who won’t study the actual claims? Would you trust a doctor who checked your foot when you went in for a sore throat?
August 10th, 2020 at 7:30 pm
One dude I feel sorry for is Trevor Lawrence.
I also feel sorry for the many thousands of college football players and athletes who use football and the college campus as safe havens from bad environments and influences.
With universities run my Mega-PCers, Marxists and SJW’s who hate football anyway, it should come as no surprise these jackwagons spiked the college football season. Their hate is deep and couldn’t care less about the athletes who they deem as inferior humans.
August 10th, 2020 at 7:44 pm
Joe said …In fact in Florida, only a handful of counties had flareups.
True, and those counties are showing recent improvement. Hopefully, not a fluke. Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties combined, next to each other on the east coast, have shown the most infections and deaths. But, the recent trend is favorable. Together, they have 233,000 reported cases, 43% of the Florida total. As for deaths, they total 3,631, 44% of the Florida total.
Together, these 3 counties have 29% of Florida population with 43% and 44% of cases and deaths, respectively. The rest of the counties had 71% of Florida population with 57% and 56% of cases and deaths, respectively. Had these 3 counties performed in a similar cases/population ratio Florida would be doing much, much better.
So, where’s the favorable trend? Since peaking at 1.2% in July 2020, the daily percent of emergency department visits statewide that result in cough-associated admissions has declined to 0.4%, below where it was in May 2020, when that ratio was 0.6%. And, the number of daily cases has declined from 9,000+ in late July to 6,254 2 days ago and 4,247 yesterday. Our 3 problem counties have shown the same trend. Again, hopefully, not a fluke.
August 10th, 2020 at 7:54 pm
Personally if I ever get the sickness I’m doctor shopping for a doctor that will prescribe it. Why? Because doctors say they’re seeing a certain amount of success with it and since the scientists REFUSE to test their claims, to the best of our knowledge it works.
August 10th, 2020 at 7:55 pm
I appreciate the positive optimism Bucs Fan Forever!
August 10th, 2020 at 9:11 pm
Thanks, Geno. New cases in Florida were 4,155 today, based on just-released data. Again, hopefully not a fluke.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:03 pm
If I get it Clod, I’ll look for a doctor that will prescribe dexamethasone and Remdesivar if needed. And hope for some antibodies from plasma, and if I develop a secondary infection, treatments for that. That is the prescription part…but then, I’m no Doctor. And will, quite frankly, look for the doctor with the best credentials and track record for treating the disease. And good luck with your plan.
I answered all of your questions. It is simple scientific method and review. Sorry you don’t understand it. Studies are like A holes…they are all over the place. But only valid studies meet scientific method criteria. You don’t do a valid study, and it means nothing. Maybe you could take a few science classes to understand it better than I could explain in a sports blog.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:25 pm
Joe I disagree completely. If just one kid gets sick and dies from playing it’s not worth it. The hypocracy of colleges wanting these kids to play and profit from them is shameful. So some colleges are going to have to cut back on their sporting programs? Cry me a river. IF they care so much about the students and their educations, plus people’s jobs, then why don’t the Armani suited eggheads take a pay cut like plenty of people in corporate America have to do to keep things afloat? Why not ask the clip board holding head coach multi millionaires to do the same? It will never happen right? We are living in an idiocracy. SHUT IT DOWN NCAA.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:36 pm
Not to be too maudlin, but football players have been struck by lightning and killed and players have been paralyzed on the football field. Others have died from heat stroke and/or heart ailments that were never detected prior to the health incident. These are all well-documented. Yet Joe never heard any calls to shut down football at any school as a result.
Maybe it is just Joe, but he values education a great deal. Shut down football (or all sports) and what do some of these athletes do? Drop out. Joe dares suggest they won’t be turning pro either.
Joe cannot begin to count how many athletes in money-losing programs became doctors, counselors and professionals in many other fields who have had major impacts on society and had their lives changed because of that scholarship. Again, maybe Joe lives in the land of puffy white clouds and sunshine but college sports, even the ones nobody follows, have enriched society in so many ways other than just TV content on fall weekends.
In Joe’s eyes, that’s valuable.
Back to the football players, they would be the safest kids on campus. They’d be tested regularly.
The way Joe looks at it, he sees significantly more harm that can be done by shutting down sports than whatever immediate benefit the scared eggheads see.
August 10th, 2020 at 10:49 pm
Mark
“But only valid studies meet scientific method criteria. You don’t do a valid study, and it means nothing.”
Exactly my point. The studies you cite aren’t valid studies because they don’t study the claim therefore they mean nothing.
Why even waste the money to do a study then if they’re not going to study the claims? They’ve done study after study of what no one is claiming and got predictable results. So studying what no one claims DOES meet the scientific method and studying what people do claim doesn’t meet the scientific method? Maybe I’m just a big dummy but that there don’t make no sense
August 10th, 2020 at 11:09 pm
AMark2001: who exactly gets to judge what is a good study and what is a bad study?
August 10th, 2020 at 11:13 pm
Joe Says:
August 10th, 2020 at 11:15 pm
Sorry about the ^^^post^^^ screw-up. These were my words, not Joe’s:
Well said.
These guys are far more healthy than the average student.
Many come from challenged backgrounds, and the football team and dorm environment is their blessed escape.
IMO, this is a really bad move by these academic frauds.
August 10th, 2020 at 11:49 pm
Joe, it’s one year! If you are living paycheck to paycheck then you got a problem with shut-downs. College kids missing part or all of a school year
for the same to happen for lower grades is a disaster. The football revenue lost is a huge problem. I get it. But, opening up schools of any level to normal activities is insane. “Many people say” (heard that before?) that could explode the contagion. Hunker down for this year. Next year is when we will know what to do. For better or worse.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:19 am
Not advocating schools should or shouldn’t open up. That’s up to the individual institution (don’t see any real issue with virtual classrooms).
Some of the schools talking about getting rid of football this year are also planning on having co-eds return. That just makes no sense to Joe if they think football will get kids sick.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:19 am
bucsfaninOregon
Just how long ARE you going to hide in your cave?
Someone’s got to get out and do some hunting and gathering or the tribe will die
Squaw
August 11th, 2020 at 8:03 am
They did look at the studies…and the conclusions. There are many scientists looking at them. They study them as to how they are done, but they don’t do a written study on why they reject them. When they find deficiencies, they reject the conclusions. They don’t publish their rejection, but as I said, there are many and why waste time doing so? Publishing a study, have it stand scientific rigor, isn’t easy. But they don’t want the general population to be guinea pigs, with no ability to rely on which treatments are well grounded and which are ranging from idle speculation to financially benefiting hogwash.
August 11th, 2020 at 10:05 am
mark2001 Says:
Good Lord, your ignorance is showing.
WTF do you think “peer review” means? It does not mean “read and say nothing one way or another.” It means “read and comment.” A study is rejected because reviewers—who are generally hand-picked for some particular area of expertise—because a reviewer POINTS OUT THE FLAWS IN WRITTEN FORM. It’s not some junior high game of rumors, “I didn’t like Billy’s study, it’s yucky.”
I don’t know where you get your info, but you need to get far away from it. THEY are ignorant, and it’s flowing downstream making YOU ignorant.
But, no doubt, your feeeeels are in the right PC place.
More complete, 100% unadulterated nonsense.
Where do you get this crap? Do you just make it up to sound like you know what you’re talking about?
Back in The Day, when there was a gaggle of research on HIV/AIDS going on, my company participated in literally DOZENS of “studies” because I had a large, diverse patient base (as diverse as 95% gay male could be.) My company as well as the study participants were PAID to be in the study. And not only that, there was reams of disclaimers, acknowledgements, waivers of liability, etc., etc., etc., to have signed and notarized by every participant, not just the patient.
NOBODY WAS A GUNEA PIG, AND EVERY PATIENT KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO.
Additionally, the drigs in question, specifically HCQ and the various deritives, have been around for 80 YEARS. There is nothing new about them, and I will include ivermectin, a common anti-parasitic, in that group.
In fact, we participated in so many studies I formed a group internally that did nothing but manage and market clinical trials of various drugs and therapies. Why do you think new drugs are so expensive? One big reason is manufacturers have to pay “independent” vendors such as me to conduct the trials on a patient base. Where do you think pharma gets test patients? Do you think these patients do it for free?
You are clueless, Mark. You are in an area where I have great experience.
You wanna talk “studies”, seems you are totally ignorant about the “studies” that said HCQ didn’t work. I doubt you are aware, based on your clear ignorance, that almost ALL of those studies have been panned or even formally withdrawn because they were, like so many “sky is falling” panic porn afficianados like yourself, were full of crap. You know, the comments made *after peer review.*
Additionally, a study is not necessarily needed for a physician to use a drug for reasons he thinks is best. While there may be some legal consequences for off-use experimentation, it is done ALL THE FRIKKIN’ TIME! With patient consent and liability waivers.
And if you think there is not a political side to your god Fauci Christ, then you are, once again, a recent convert to The Church of Fauci. I dealt with the guy in the late 80’s-early 90’s. Back then he was promoting AIDS fear porn, how you could get that virus literally from door knobs. He was wrong then, and his flip-flopping on virtually every aspect of this current virus shows he goes whatever way the wind blows. You must have missed his congressional testimony where he denounced public group gatherings, yet refused to denounce the Democrat riots and protests in Democrat cities. I mean, he musn’t upset his progressive Overlords.
And if you think the off-use of HCQ and ivermectin for CV19 is not political, then once again you are completely blind. The US is NOT the center of the clinical universe and Fauci is not the be-all/know-all, but just another entrenched NGO bureaucrat who kisses ass for funding.
HCQ and ivermectin are, right at this moment, being used all over the planet with astounding success.
Progs keep asking why the US has been hit so hard. Many physicians in the rest of the world say one big reason is because the US political system won’t allow HCQ and ivermectin to be used as both a therapy and for prophylaxis.
How do I know this?
I live in a semi-third world environment and my expended family and social circles include many physicians. One close friend, a doc who was at Mom CB’s bedside when she passed away, is an Army Col. in charge of the military hospital specifically designated for CV19 (I think I’ve mentioned her before). Depending on the stage of infection, she has her staff use the HCQ cocktail, the ivermectin cocktail, or in the case of an advanced case, typical streoids/antibiotics for pneumonia with CPAP O2. When they get a patient that is not end-stage, the therapies work well.
Yes, this post is harsh. You need to stop spreading bullcrap.
August 11th, 2020 at 10:26 am
Didn’t say anything regarding ivermectin. Just repeated what Fauci said. You have a right to disagree…all kinds of physicians in this world. I’m not spreading BS…you live in a semi-third world environment. Costa Rica? Whatever. Believe what you want. I’ll go with the best medical experts in America.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:07 am
I see stupidity is still out in full force around JBF
August 11th, 2020 at 11:31 am
“You are clueless, Mark. You are in an area where I have great experience”…Snake head
Oh, excuse me. I didn’t realize that Mark2001, I and others were dealing with a world -famous “somebody” that owned (how many companies?) dealing with (vaccines?) for (how many years?) in (where?).
Snaky, anybody that blows their own horn as much as you do has zero credibility with me. If you’re such a hot-shot in this field come out and ID yourself. So far, you could be the Dear Leader’s “400 pound guy sitting on his bed” (AKA Russian troll farm.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:48 am
@bfiO: Please link where I stated I cared what you think of me.
I am what I am, and did what I did. I cannot and will not change personal history.
I was in the eye of the hurricane for many years. I am proud what my company accomplished, and was well-rewarded when I moved on.
You and mark, on the other hand, have *zero* personal experience in this field. You guys/gals/xirs just repeat what The Progressive Overlords demand, and your Loyal Comrade Fellow Traveler Mark prove that point.
Everyone has an opinion. However, some opinions formed at the intersection of experience and facts have more weight than others.
BTW: I have lived in the tropical central mountains of the Dopminican Republic for the last 13+ years. And I’m 235, not 400lbs.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:20 pm
Just what I thought…an expat. Gets his retirement and SS check every month, and then becomes an expert at everything. Pays no substantial US taxes. Probably takes advantage of the locals and hires them to clean his house and do his laundry. Wait til they tire of “ugly Americans”, Cobra. And enjoy your “retirement. Just don’t confuse yourself with an American with a skin in the game, except for upcoming cuts to your SS benefit. Now I understand why anything American experts on anything has to tell you. You aren’t an American anymore.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:25 pm
And pays those poor locals about $2 a day. But when things go south, he calls his contacts in Washington to get it to pay to protect his property with our military, using our taxpayer money. Probably has contacts with the local overlords to hop on their plane. Has a bank account in the states as a safety valve, if he has to get out with only his skin. I have your number, Cobra. A taker. Worked for a multinational co., and know exactly how you play it.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:48 pm
The fact is some of us want to know the truth about HCQ and some of you would rather use the hundreds of thousands dead as a political prop. Congrats on caring more about the election than your fellow Americans
August 11th, 2020 at 1:16 pm
Many of us believe we know the truth about HCQ….Fauci among them. But some have financial interests in the product being purchased and used. And they are among the drugs biggest promoters. Some of us are reasonable and say, just definitively prove it to us with valid scientific research. That is all we ask. Prove it to our leading American medical authorities. They have no financial interest in the drug. We are waiting. They haven’t been able to do it so far.
And some believe things like HCQ, disinfectant and bleach injections, and sunlight in the body are the answer to this disease. To them, all I can say is, good luck with that.
August 11th, 2020 at 1:43 pm
mark2001 Says:
I “retired” at 44, that is, I have not had to derive any additional income to live since that time.
More ignorance. All American citizens have to pay taxes. In addition, because I don’t live in the US, I have to disclose annually all bank and equity accounts over $10,000 to the IRS. And since 80% of my income is from the US, I may pay more taxes than you do.
Nope. We do all our own household chores, including the grounds and pool. The only time we hire outside help is for tour prep and the occasional party.
That’s funny, Loyal Comrade. I have integrated very well into Dominican culture and society. Additionally, this country is closely aligned with the US. People here love Americans and want to move there.
If SS was eliminated entirely, my life woulod not change at all. But since I paid into the system many hundreds of thousand of $$$, you bet youyr a$$ I want as much of MY money back as possible. And I have plenty of skin in the game with various US holdings, most likely more than you do by factors of magnitude.
Nor are you Loyal Comrace neo-commnunist progressives.
Didn’t you say you have an MBA? Why have you not done anything special with it? Why do you complain about someone else’s success? Why should anyone listen to you, a person who has accomplished virtually nothing of note, certainly not as an economic engine or job creator?
Where I come from we call that “jealousy.”
But enjoy your angry class envy, Loyal Comrade, you’ve outed yourself. You aren’t the first tool to pull the “you’re not an American” card.
August 11th, 2020 at 1:50 pm
“Some of us are reasonable and say, just definitively prove it to us with valid scientific research. That is all we ask.”
That’s all I ask too! I’m waiting for the studies while you’re coming up with lame excuses to NOT have any studies. Enough doctors have said they have success to warrant the correct study. You don’t want to know. You admit it by saying you don’t want the study!
August 11th, 2020 at 1:56 pm
Unfortunately, HCQ has become a political issue, and the regulatory agencies have fumbled it badly. On June 20, 2020, the National Institutes of Health (which Fauci works for) halted a clinical trial of HCQ saying…Study shows treatment does no harm, but provides no benefit…Then, on July 1, 2020, the FDA issued the following…FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems…but also said…Does not affect FDA-approved uses for malaria, lupus, and rheumatoid arthritis…
So, you have one agency saying it does no harm and, 10 days later another agency cautions use of the drug outside the hospital because of heart rhythm problems.
Very confusing, and leads to distrust of those in charge, politicians and medical experts.
August 11th, 2020 at 4:08 pm
They have done the studies…the guys telling you it works and not done them correctly. That is what I’m telling you. That is what Fauci said. Let the guys saying it works do the studies again, and correct their failures to do it properly, and prove it works. The proof is on those saying they think it works by conducting proper medical research or do it in collaboration with someone that can help them do it right. And the drug manufacturers should do it properly, if they want it sold for that purpose. When it comes to medicine, we don’t live in a world where you just sell anything, and say, try it and believe me, it works…even though I believe that because of my poorly designed research. You have to prove it to have it approved… Especially when we have some treatments that have been scientifically proven to work, using proper research techniques.
August 11th, 2020 at 4:20 pm
I’m not Jealous of you Cobra…homes in multiple states and other properties…retired in my late 50’s. And if you have lived overseas for thirteen years, you don’t reside in America, and for all intents and purposes you aren’t an American. Go ahead and deny it. I didn’t say you were in your sixties or seventies. I hit it on the head. My only error being Costa Rica, though I hit it close. Deny what you wish. Not jealous of you.. Made a good living with my MBA…can live where ever I want. And what great service are you doing for your fellow man, with all your wealth, having retired at 44 ? Hiding out in a third world country. I love America…I just don’t live in one place year round. Don’t plan to leave. You have deserted her, and what you have to say means nothing more than if you were a European, or Asian. And you talk about others being communists and such….what a fraud.
August 11th, 2020 at 4:55 pm
mark2001 Says:
“Didn’t say anything regarding ivermectin. Just repeated what Fauci said.”
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You spew so much bullspit it is just incredible, and then make horrific judgments about somebody who you don’t even know. You are on the wrong side of an argument that has an abundance of evidence supporting it, yet act so sure after only looking at a fraction of that evidence (only the fraction that supports your prejudices).
You actually claim that Fauci has no financial interest in the outcome of this debate, when evidence to the contrary has been posted here on multiple occasions. You only have to search for his name in the patents database to prove yourself wrong, but you won’t because you value politics over for facts. Every time you open your mouth, you put your ignorance on display.
August 11th, 2020 at 5:00 pm
I have US residences, Loyal Comrade. I don’t visit often, but they are there. I have a US Passport. I am an American, but not a Loyal Comrade of The Glorious Progressive Revolution as you obviously are.
I have no obligation to “take care of my fellow man.” I am not my brother’s keeper.
My only “moral” obligation is to my family first and foremost. I take care of me and mine, you take care of you and yours…the rest we teach to fish.
Feel free to worship gubmint. I will “worship” freedom, liberty and personal responsibility, and support men and women who advocate for the inalienable rights of Free Men.
“I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
That said, no doubt The Overlords are please with your compliance with their demands, Loyal Comrade. For your dedication to The Cause, report to The People’s Collective Cooperative and Worker’s Union Hall to queue for an extra ration of Free Cheese.
You done with the unhinged, Boo?
August 11th, 2020 at 5:06 pm
@ClodHopper: Fauci, hisownself, advocated HCQ for therapy for coronavirus in 2005.
HCQ is political. Trump said “I’m hearing HCQ is doping amazing things”, so of course the unhinged Loyal Comrade Never Trumpers take out the sharp knives to prove Trump is wrong…even if people die. Had Chicago Jesus said the same thing, many thousands would be alive today, and HCQ hailed as a true Wonder Drug.
These people don’t care about the sick. They only care about political power. And for those with a financial vested interest in a vaccine (I’m looking at you Fauci, Gates and Big Pharma), money.
August 11th, 2020 at 5:06 pm
Mark
Show me those studies. Don’t even need a link. Just a couple words to google will suffice
August 11th, 2020 at 5:07 pm
mark2001 Says:
“They have done the studies…the guys telling you it works and not done them correctly.”
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Hundreds of doctors all over the world are saying the same thing about treating patients with HCQ and zinc, all having treated hundreds each with near 100% success rate. On your side is a financially conflicted “doctor” who has never treated patients as a physician. That’s who you choose to follow over the broad body of physicians all saying the exact opposite of him.
The study which produced heart problems with HCQ was withdrawn because they were intentionally overdosing patients in order to produce that result. They also failed to include zinc in the therapy, which is the most important ingredient, as it is the zinc which disrupts the viral activity.
August 11th, 2020 at 5:49 pm
Clodhopper/Mark2001:
1. Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD , Professor of Epidemiology, Yale School of Public Health On 7/23/20 at 7:00 AM EDT – advocate of using HCQ, cites heart issues and attempts to defuse those issues.
2. Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH, is vice chairman of medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and a professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas – advocate of using HCQ, cites politicization of the HCQ issue in an article in The Hill dated 8/7/20.
3. Newsweek, June 2020 – A data and safety monitoring board met late Friday and determined that while there was no harm, the study drug was very unlikely to be beneficial to hospitalized patients with COVID-19.
4. Medical New Today, July 2020 – Recently, some doctors had been using hydroxychloroquine to treat severe cases of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients. Its use for this purpose has been controversial and conflicting, with some researchers reporting heart problems among those taking the drug. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have now withdrawn the emergency use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 treatment.
You have researchers and medical experts on both sides of this issue.
August 11th, 2020 at 6:07 pm
Thank you BucFanForever
Dr Risch pointed out positive studies but none were gold standard. Fair enough.
Peter A. McCullough complains about it being politicized. I agree
Newsweek: “unlikely to be beneficial to hospitalized patients with COVID-19.”
I also agree. It’s actually proven to not work as well late in the sickness. No one debates against that.
Medical News Today: Its use for this purpose has been controversial and conflicting, with some researchers reporting heart problems among those taking the drug.” Again. I agree. It can be very bad when taken late.
I appreciate you pointing these out. I’m sure was longer than a few seconds to find all that.
August 11th, 2020 at 6:29 pm
Clod… I don’t evaluate the studies…I’m not a Medical Research Scientist or Epidemiologist. Are you? If not, you aren’t qualified to…nor am I.
I trust Fauci…no money in the game..no ax to grind. testified under oath. QED. The rest is all internet speculation. You want to take it…I said fine. But I stand with the statement that until our HC leaders and specialists say it works…as they have steroids and Remdesivir, I’ll stand with them.
August 11th, 2020 at 6:45 pm
For all intents and purposes Expat… So you ask me what I’ve done with my MBA, and you have done nothing but live for yourself and your family for the last 13 years? So you have done nothing special with your life in more than a decade. Why should I be jealous? Because you spend most of your time in a foreign country, while spouting some bizarre theory on Americanism?
I love America… wouldn’t leave America for anything. Served in the military. Always did my duty out of love of country. I don’t need to go elsewhere to feel like I’ve accomplished something. Regarding your bailing on America? Good luck with that.
Good luck with the those third world countries. I’m sure you fit right in. Man who would be king.
August 11th, 2020 at 7:08 pm
“I trust Fauci…no money in the game..no ax to grind. testified under oath.”
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There you go again with the lies about Fauci. The man has taken over 100 million dollars in grants from the Gates Foundation, and has half ownership of four vaccine patents which are currently in play.
It’s disgusting how you are so willing to overlook facts in order to sell your narrative, and it’s disgusting how quick you are to get personal and make judgments about people who you don’t even know, because you are losing a debate. You are a perfect Bolshevik.
August 11th, 2020 at 7:15 pm
Anonymous
You’re right I can’t interpret studies. You what I can do and so can you? Listen to the people who can interpret them from BOTH sides and decide what side is more likely
Side one: HCQ looks promising. We should look deeper into it
Side two: I don’t even want to check what the doctors say they’re having success with
Side one makes more sense to me. You’re free to pick side two but it makes no sense to me to ignore what a large number of doctors are claiming to have success with.
BTW. Remdesivar is very expensive per dose but HCQ is very cheap. Which one do you think is more beneficial in a get rich quick scheme?
Also what is the death rate of Remdesivar vs no treatment? IIRC it doesn’t lower the death rate it only makes people that already would get over it, get over quicker.
August 11th, 2020 at 7:27 pm
Anonymous Says:
“Clod… I don’t evaluate the studies…I’m not a Medical Research Scientist or Epidemiologist. Are you? If not, you aren’t qualified to…nor am I.”
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If that’s how you feel, maybe you should excuse yourself from the debate altogether. No longer should you express an opinion on anything upon which you do not possess an advanced degree.
The rest of us who are capable of learning on our own, willing to look at both sides of an argument, and have the discernment to draw conclusions without allowing politics to cloud our judgment, can continue the conversation.
August 11th, 2020 at 7:31 pm
Meanwhile, the Lightning are in triple (somebody get me an IV) overtime!
August 11th, 2020 at 8:34 pm
ClodHopper Says:
“Remdesivar is very expensive per dose but HCQ is very cheap. Which one do you think is more beneficial in a get rich quick scheme?… what is the death rate of Remdesivar vs no treatment? IIRC it doesn’t lower the death rate it only makes people that already would get over it, get over quicker.”
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You recall correctly. Of course, I wasn’t qualified to read the results of that study, since I don’t have an advanced degree (according to bolshevik Mark).
August 12th, 2020 at 1:12 am
Cobraboy is one of the very few that speaks with any sense. Anybody quoting Fauci is an idiot.
Here’s a link to click on if you think masks work … hint. This proves conclusively that they don’t. Smoke particles escape easily. Smoke is measured at 500-900 micrometers while Coronavirus is measured much smaller at 60-140 micrometers. Any mask that allows exhalation doesn’t work.