Illustrating The Football-Virus Mess
July 20th, 2020
Joe is all for the NFL returning to play. If players want to play, then let the games being ASAP.
The messiness is in the details, and Peter King’s column today for NBC Sports laid out one example that leads to at least 20 more hypotheticals.
So a player or coach gets an in-season positive test for The Sickness (Joe will play along and assume every test is accurate); King shares two scenarios.
NFLPA president J.C. Tretter, the Cleveland center, laid it out Friday: “If the center tests positive on a Friday, and there’s a quarantine period for all of his close contacts . . . well, if I just came from practice where I’ve been in a huddle with all my offensive teammates, been doing individual drills with all my linemen, then blocking the defensive linemen and linebackers all afternoon, aren’t we talking about 35 guys being close contacts with me? And if they’re all in quarantine for the next couple days, what does Sunday’s game look like? You don’t have enough bodies to put on the field to play.”
Interesting point made to me by a coach the other day. “Even if we’re socially distanced,” this coach said, “what happens if the night before a game the defensive backs coach gets sick and we’ve had a staff meeting that day and a few of us got close to the DB coach for a while. Do we have someone to call the defensive signals for us in the game if we take away four or five coaches?”
The NFL and the players have much to figure out in a hurry if they want training camp to start on schedule next week. Bucs rookies are in line to report for duty tomorrow!
Joe expects the season will be a free-flowing mess of missing players but sincerely hopes it will be the same for every team, meaning the NFL needs to find a way to police the inevitable virus cheaters among the 32 NFL clubs.
Joe hopes Team Glazer gets creative and perhaps uses a field at One Buc Palace to fill with small mobile homes where players can live if they feel they want to keep themselves in a bubble-type setting. Joe can’t think of a logical reason not to make it easy for players who want to do everything possible to ensure personal and team success.
July 20th, 2020 at 9:47 am
Some good thought there. How about a humongous expansion of the practice squads? Maybe to 40 players. To cover such events as you describe.
July 20th, 2020 at 10:01 am
I really don’t understand why we jump to all of them are dying right then?
First off anyone that is under the age of 50 and has no underlying condition they are making a full recovery in 7-10 days. We have multiple medications that have been helping the sick make a full recovery with early detection. We will be testing these guys every day. They will know if they have it to get treatment that day. Faster than anyone else has had.
Second most people a asymptomatic meaning they don’t have any symptoms. They will be fine game day.
Third you could take a suite and isolate the coaches there and it would be minor effects on the play calling and substitutions.
Forth look at Freeman from the Atlanta Braves he was just down for 2 days with the sickness and is right back on the field with all the treatments we have now. Most of the major cases were occurring when doctors didn’t know what to do.
We have been dealing with the FLU for years on this issue. Yes there is a vaccine for the flu, but there are so many strains the vaccine for most people just makes them sick not to stop it. We highlight all the time about how players are sick with the flu and shouldn’t play but look how brave they are. “Out there with a fever and still going”.
These players and coaches have access to the best medical care anyone has and they will be fine. Just need to stop the fear mongering. Either play or just stop football for ever because this virus isn’t going anywhere. We haven’t stopped the flu, the common cold, H1N1 and other viruses as well. Most of the players have traveled to other countries as well and most have probably taken Hydroxychloroquine for malaria prevention. They can all start on that to prevent long term issues as well. We have been using that for 30 years without issue for Rheumatoid Arthritis in patients.
It is fine for a UPS, Amazon, Door Dash, Uber driver all, US Military all to go to work, but it isn’t safe for the athletes and coaches to go back to work. You were with the essential workers then but now that you are being asked to go to work “Oh no it isn’t safe anymore”.
Common give me a break. I for one have had enough already!!!!
July 20th, 2020 at 10:02 am
@ casual
I agree. Been saying it for months. The NFL needs to expand the practice squads this season if they want to make it through an entire season.
It shouldn’t be that difficult to find extra talent with the XFL and AFL gone.
July 20th, 2020 at 10:03 am
Joe got hammered for pointing out yesterday the death angle is overly dramatic and likely unrealistic.
July 20th, 2020 at 10:11 am
Marine – Thanks. Didn’t mean to steal your idea. It sounds good to me.
And Joe, it isn’t just about feeling OK with this virus. Many will have various organs damaged to various degrees. And much of such effects may not manifest for years. Best to avoid infection – by sensible (not ridiculous) means.
July 20th, 2020 at 10:38 am
BS wear your mask ! if you get close to a DB coach you aren’t following 6 feet distance guideline it’s not hard .. sunlight UV radiation denatures covid outdoors this is fear talking there has been no outbreaks in Europe soccer teams just be professional they make too much money not to behave in that way
July 20th, 2020 at 10:46 am
Joe: “Joe expects the season will be a free-flowing mess of missing players but sincerely hopes it will be the same for every team, meaning the NFL needs to find a way to police the inevitable virus cheaters among the 32 NFL clubs.”
Joe, you’ve got it. This season with infections, isolating, illness, etc. would certainly be a mess. How in the world can you have a season (includes millions of $$ gambling) like that? Huge bet on underdog and favorite team’s QB tests positive on Saturday night. A fix? You can watch junk like that- -my guess is it could mess up the league long term. Worse than strike year. If they can’t come up with a cogent plan then it’s better to kiss off 2020 and wait for next year. The nation’s priority should be to stem the virus and have a fair and legal election in November.
I have subscribed to NFL package every year since it started. In prior lifetimes I have had season tickets to the 49rs and the Redskins. I’m a huge NFL fan. But, football now is a total distraction from what’s going on. Nice to have , but totally unnecessary.
July 20th, 2020 at 11:07 am
bucsfaninoregon….it’s a good thing for most of us that there’s going to be a season and YOU don’t make decisions for the NFL!
July 20th, 2020 at 11:24 am
Casual Observer Says:
July 20th, 2020 at 9:47 am
Some good thought there. How about a humongous expansion of the practice squads? Maybe to 40 players. To cover such events as you describe.
^^^And water down the already very weak talent pool of NFL players?! Yikes. It would be like watching a scrimmage every game.
July 20th, 2020 at 11:26 am
“First off anyone that is under the age of 50 and has no underlying condition they are making a full recovery in 7-10 days.”
FALSE!!! We…at least our “experts” have known the truth since March!!
Wow the misinformation is just breathtaking. And just blow right by the stats that show as many as 20% of “recovered” people still suffer long term damage to their hearts and lungs.
Now rather than me just shooting my keyboard off like so many here I’m not offering MY opinion. I could offer hundreds of cites but lets settle for Johns Hopkins a highly respected organization.
“For example, the CDC report shows that as of March 16, 2020, 508 people were hospitalized for COVID-19 in the U.S. Of these, 38% were between 20 and 54 years old. Half of those ending up in intensive care were younger than 65.”
“Second most people a asymptomatic meaning they don’t have any symptoms. They will be fine game day.”
You clearly do not understand viral transmission. Look up Mary Mallon an Irish immigrant who was asymptomatic back in 1918. She was responsible for 53 cases including three deaths while having ZERO symptoms the first documented case of asymptomatic infection during the Spanish Flu. She earned the nickname “Typhoid Mary”. Imagine if an infected player slipped through to game day and infected a dozen other guys. Would we call him Covid Jack?
It’s NOT just whether the infected player felt physically able to play…and indeed for some they might play without any noticeable difference in their performance.
I can’t believe that Hydroxychlorine is still rearing it’s ugly head. Perhaps my next link will be useless on them because DUH…it comes from SCIENCE…not a fat blowhard.
“Three big studies dim hopes that hydroxychloroquine can treat or prevent COVID-19”
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/three-big-studies-dim-hopes-hydroxychloroquine-can-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
Of course that is SCIENCE MAGAZINE not Alex Jones or Levin.
And finally….football is NOT an essential service. It is called a pastime for a reason. Even at that it’s far safer to drive a UPS truck. Football is a CONTACT sport. It’s made to transmit disease with guys sprinting…getting winded and then blowing big chunks of viral material into each others faces…blocking…tackling..in the pileups.
NONE of the other risky jobs mentioned comes close to playing football. The ONLY comparison would be our ER and Paramedics and even they are better protected than a football player. Not to demean their efforts…these men and women are TRUE HEROES!
Other than perhaps the very first season…this has been the most exciting off season for the Bucs in a long long time. We are ALL desperate have them play.
I’m here everyday because I love football and the Bucs. But are we such spoiled little brats that we’re willing to overlook death and illness to have our pleasure?
This is NOT a plea to call off the season. It IS a plea to start following science on ALL of our Covid decisions…NFL..school..bars..etc. IF that means no season so be it.
Here is you bit of comfort. This season will NOT count. It will forever be markd with a giant * even if we get to play it.
July 20th, 2020 at 12:32 pm
@spbf: your link to “science” has been s#!tcanned.
But to make up for that “science” that site has a front page article titled “Meet Trump’s controversial pick for a top Census job”
You know, “Science”…
Jeezus, some are easily snookered.
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If “testing” and “quarantines” are at the core of the NFL “safety” CV19 protocols, I can see no way the NFL can play a legitimate season, even one with asterisks.
One “positive” test would cause numerous player to go to their room for two weeks. Multiply that by numerous players on 32 teams and you have a giant CF.
I don’t see how it’s possible.
The NFL would be better served to “Just Say No”, pass on 2020, let the BLM angst passion go away, hope the virus is forgotten, and get past an angry, controversial, hate-filled and contentious election. The NFL could do more damage to their brand by playing a croppy season with boycotting fans and terrible play quality than sitting this one out.
And Gooddell just sucks. I am all-in on the NFL owners bringing in someone else.
July 20th, 2020 at 1:06 pm
[Joe is trying to limit the trolling, sorry. You just know this comment will start a flamewar just by your original sentence. — Joe]
July 20th, 2020 at 1:19 pm
Thanks Cobraboy for saying what I was going to say.
Joe,
I am sorry. I am sure that this won’t effect your bottom line, but I have had enough of the trolls and a holes on this site that just want to bring others down. I know you are doing your job to give your opinions and nothing against you 2. I am just done with all individuals who can’t have real conversations, other than to tear someone else down.
I don’t need this with all that is going on. I enjoyed your site for many years and this is just too much negativity masked as something else.
I will just wait to see how we move forward when the decisions are done.
Good luck to the rest of you that can handle this crap.
July 20th, 2020 at 1:45 pm
Not everyone is worried about death. I’m under 50 and I’m still worried bc we just don’t know what the long term health implications are for this. Sure, most or all of them may survive – but what about the perfectly healthy ppl who have recovered and still reported everything from heart arrhythmia to complete loss of smell?
July 20th, 2020 at 2:59 pm
Snakeboy, see, you and I agree. To hold the season under these conditions would be a giant CF. Why hasn’t Goddell come up with a realistic strategy to hold the season? Ever think there may not be a realistic way.
On one hand we have a virus that is, contrary to beliefs of some on this site, to real and POTENTIALLY very serious. On the other hand you have a President that is frantic to convince the US that everything is fine and we should just go shopping. Do you think the owners want to pizz him off?
So here we are. Arguing over to have the season and how to do it. A similar but much bigger problem is the schools. Some few kids get sick. Some have shown to be carriers. Many teachers and admin are 50+. On and on.
Difference is that schools ARE essential and the NFL is not.
Sooner or later someone will have the guts to call off this star-crossed season. Good news: looks like vaccines may have been proven effective. If no hitch we should start to get them by Spring 2021.
Draft for 2021!
July 20th, 2020 at 3:12 pm
I don’t understand what’s so hard to understand!!!
We have taken something that borders on common sense and turned it into a circus.
In this case, you’re darned if you do and darned if you don’t. For instance, this oversimplification:
Don’t play the season, NFL “loses” money, fans are bored to tears, players are safe.
Play the season and if ONE player contracts the sickness and dies or suffers severe damage, well…..I imagine the ramifications will be far worse, comparatively speaking.
July 20th, 2020 at 3:15 pm
Jets and Giants announce no fans in stands this year.
July 20th, 2020 at 3:59 pm
I hope this destroys the NFL forever. This is the least happy I’ve ever been to for football. After the way Brees was treated by his own teammates for not getting political and they forced him to bend a knee, after he donated more money to the city of New Orleans than any of his other teammates. I don’t do racism. I’m Jewish and white with black people in my family and none of us are watching football this year.
July 20th, 2020 at 4:09 pm
LA mayor said that a month or two ago. They get it.
July 20th, 2020 at 4:28 pm
@Joe
I hear you and agree. Sorry. LMAO I’ll try and relax
July 20th, 2020 at 4:49 pm
I totally respect everybody’s opinion about sports…don’t always agree but they are fans and entitled to their opinions.
Health is totally different. I want those “opinions” to be educated and backed up with some facts.
With a brand new challenge facts can take awhile to unearth…we are getting there.
When literally one person has gotten virtually every fact or scientific opinion wrong it’s hard to not take issue. Has their been a famous person who has literally been wrong every time he’s expressed his “opinion”.
July 20th, 2020 at 4:50 pm
@bfio: not sure we agree.
I think the virus is badly overhyped for political reasons. I am fine with the NFL playing as usual. I don’t think the results would be catastrophic at all. That said, those with diabetes, hypertension, morbid obesity and a few other chronic diseases should just stay home away from life, especially seasoned citizens.
But if the rules about “safety” include instant quarantines for those who test + and their contacts, the season will be an unmitigated disaster.
It’s already a disaster with BLM, kneeling, pending elections, etc., etc., etc.
The NFL should not play because of the virus alone. They should just blow off the season until society calms down to normal levels, those unhinged get a grip and the pure unadulterated hate dissipates.
Besides, I reward that a massive % of football fans are looking to boycott the NFL if they go full-tilt Woke (A recent Remington poll says 64%, but even half of that would be a fiscal disaster for the NFL and their advertisers.). That % includes me. I’ll wait and see what they do for the game day ceremonies.
July 20th, 2020 at 4:51 pm
^^^Read^^^, not reward.
July 20th, 2020 at 5:31 pm
St. Pete…by now regarding posting on this topic, it is obvious that until some deniers suffer financial ruin, or personal tragedy due to this virus, they will continue in denial. Economic health is more important in America for many, than the health of the population…that much has been made painfully clear.
Better to save yourself from the aggravation of trying to discuss something with people that have no real information, nor do they care to look for it. Save your money and brace for the worst, but for contributions to charities that benefit our true national treasure…needy children. Chances are that America’s place in the world will be greatly diminished when this is over, as a nation sows to the wind, reaps the whirlwind. Real news has been replaced by facebook news. We live in a dumbed-down and morally bankrupt America. And as I know you said you are a teacher, let me give you a comparison. Maybe America has become that one truant kid that sleeps because they were out partying the night before, while the other kids are working in class; the kid that won’t pass the class no matter how hard you try to get him to learn, and then will try to blame his failure on you or the other kids for ruining the curve.
July 20th, 2020 at 5:34 pm
stpetebucsfan Says:
“… stats that show as many as 20% of “recovered” people still suffer long term damage to their hearts and lungs.”
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I’m tired of you spouting this pseudo-fact, also. Most of the people with significant lung damage are those who had tubes stuffed into their lungs against all accepted protocols in respiratory thereapy. This was done because our CDC accepted UN emergency protocols specifics to coronavirus, and shoved those protocols down the throats of thousands of doctors in the US, who have now stopped that lunacy. This is not an ongoing problem.
“Doctor” Fauci needs you, St Pete. Send a resumé.
July 20th, 2020 at 5:36 pm
Is it possible we’re asking too much from league executives? No political leader in the world knows what to do or how to curb this virus. To me, this is a simple matter of the players deciding if they want to take the risk or not. We all make that decision…when we go to work, when we pump gas, when we go to the grocery store and when eat at a restaurant. I respect any player’s decision to opt out. If they do, owners should have the option to terminate their contract or have it toll. The salary cap should be adjusted accordingly. This is not slavery. Nobody is making players show up for work. They have free will. Just allow owners relief from the contracts if they sit, expand roster size and move on. If they get Covid, they sit until it clears up, just like any other virus.
July 20th, 2020 at 5:39 pm
St. Pete…when one denies science and the medical community, and replaces that information with facebook facts and alternative news, and wishful thinking, it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion. The bottom line… Some learn the truth the easy way…some the hard way. Such is life.
July 20th, 2020 at 5:47 pm
Stpetebucsfan said:
“You clearly do not understand viral transmission. Look up Mary Mallon an Irish immigrant who was asymptomatic back in 1918.”
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No, YOU don’t understand. That is what is referred to as a one-off. You don’t set public policy according to a one-off scenario. You set it according to what the majority of cases teach you.
We started out being lied to about asymptomatic spread, which was supported by a one-off case which has since been debunked. I wonder what modern medicine and modern investigative techniques could tell us about typhoid Mary if we could reexamine her case today! But keep up the scare tactics, shill.
See, once asymptomatic spread was debunked, it no longer matters, because people like St Pete will continue to cite it as a reason to spread fear. Once a fact supports your politics, it will always be a fact to St Pete, even after being debunked. St Pete is like Anderson Vanderbilt Cooper. A mouthpiece.
July 20th, 2020 at 6:04 pm
Good god people.
FOR THE HUNDRED MILLIONTH TIME:
Death isn’t the only bad thing that can happen from this.
Now that maybe we have finally cleared that point up, on to the content of this article:
The way I see it, the only way the NFL season happens is if players and the league agree that they will NOT force players to isolate when they test positive.
Yes, you read that correctly. It’s the only way. Otherwise half a Team if not more will have to isolate / miss games from 1 positive infection. That’s simply won’t work. Not enough players. So that’s the only option I see.
And you will likely have tons of players who opt for the entire season. But the alternative is no season at all, which is what I’ve suspected would be the case all along since March, and is why I was not over the moon about signing Brady for a lost season.
July 20th, 2020 at 6:05 pm
*who opt out for the entire season
July 20th, 2020 at 6:16 pm
One major problem I see with the “long term effects” argument is all of our data is about 6 months old. Thats a pretty short “long term”.
July 20th, 2020 at 6:24 pm
stpetebucsfan Says:
“Health is totally different. I want those “opinions” to be educated and backed up with some facts.”
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And yet, over and over again you take politicized talking points as facts, and refuse to acknowledge any evidence that contradicts those. You don’t care that there are “experts” who you love to cite, who are professionally and financially conflicted, and ignore historical evidence of a moneyed class which openly plans to subvert the United States and subjugate her citizens, specifically through the exploitation of contagious disease.
“Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure; one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
~ David Rockefeller
“The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries… We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order.”
~ David Rockefeller
July 20th, 2020 at 6:47 pm
Bush… Might want to do a little more research… WHO clarified comments
“To some, it came across as if the WHO was suggesting that people without symptoms weren’t driving spread. Some studies, however, have estimated that people without symptoms (whether truly asymptomatic or presymptomatic) could be responsible for up to half of the spread, which is why the virus has been so difficult to contain. Isolating people who are sick, for example, does not prevent the possibility they already passed the virus on to others. Some modeling studies have assumed quite widespread asymptomatic transmission.
“The WHO created confusion yesterday when it reported that asymptomatic patients rarely spread the disease,” an email from the Harvard Global Health Institute said Tuesday. “All of the best evidence suggests that people without symptoms can and do readily spread SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19. In fact, some evidence suggests that people may be most infectious in the days before they become symptomatic — that is, in the presymptomatic phase when they feel well, have no symptoms, but may be shedding substantial amounts of virus.”
And other research I’ve read of recent says they can. Can you give us some sources recently showing that they can’t..based upon current research? I have some more current stuff I can share with you..just to set the record straight.
July 20th, 2020 at 6:55 pm
“But But But…the looooong term effects!!!”
Sounds like those crackpots in Reefer Madness……………
July 20th, 2020 at 7:02 pm
Bus’s Spoon wrote: once asymptomatic spread was debunked, it no longer matters,… I will politely disagree. Back in June, an official from WHO said that asymptomatic spread was very rare. Dr. Fauci disagreed and the WHO had to retract that statement. Here is what Fauci said recently…When you measure the level of virus in the nasal pharynx of asymptomatic people, compared to people who are symptomatic, there doesn’t seem to be any difference, which means there’s as much virus in the nose of a person who’s asymptomatic as there is in a symptomatic person…
The importance of this relates to the wearing of masks. People were under the mistaken assumption that, if they had no symptoms, they would not pass the disease. This is said to be partly the cause of the recent spike in infections. So, everyone, please wear a mask in public. If not for yourself, then for the safety of others.
July 20th, 2020 at 7:04 pm
@Bill: remember the angst because it was somehow Trump’s fault there weren’t enough ventilators? So a bunch of vents got quickly built (they are a fairly simple device) and it turned out that putting a CV19 patient on a vent was a virtual death sentence, and those who somehow survived the vent did, indeed, suffer weird kinds of pulmonary and leg thrombosis.
So if the Fear Porn muffins are referring to that “long term effects” that news is, as you stated, really dated.
BTW: anyone else note that currently, the CDC is officially classifying CV19 along with flu and pneumonia as far as numbers are concerned?
One more factoid: my cousin is chief of surgery at a large Panhandle hospital, and as such sits on all operations meetings every other day. He says that as of last Friday their ICU (not CCU or SICU) is 65% full (the average is 55-60%), and of the 63% only 23% are CV19.
Oh, and while he did very, very few surgeries (he’s an orthopod, specializing in backs) April-June, he is currently slammed from patients who have waited for months, many through extreme back pain, for their elective surgeries, and has never had so many inpatients at one time…ever.
July 20th, 2020 at 7:24 pm
Anonymous Says:
The head of the CDC disagrees with you.
He claims that a major reason for the spike in FL is travelers from northern states…which could also account for the reduction in northern states.
Additionally, there is not ONE actual study that shows conclusively actual asymptomatic spread. Not. One. Now there are a few with anecdotes, but an anecdote is a data point unsupported by facts.
And “studies” and statements that do point toward asymptomatic spread use words like “believe” and “overall mitigation.”
And, FTR, “believe” belongs in a hypothesis of the scientific method, and never in a conclusion. Science is not assumptions, consensus or “beliefs.” Once upon a time “science” thought leech bloodletting therapy could get rid of the ills of man.
And the REASON for asymptomatic infection is symptoms and illness require a “viral load” level, enough active virus to do something. So one can test + and not have enough virus to “shed.” Why is this? Some hypothesize that the immune system kicks in a suppressed further viral expansion…like it does for almost every other bacteria and virus.
And I’m curious about something, especially among the Fear Porn crowd: did you ever worry, throughout your life, that maybe you were infecting others with flu…that kills many, many people? That the flu is also very easily transmitted…without a mask? Or is your concern about the planet’s health limited to CV19?
(I often long for an illness where the cure is for college-educated feminists to quit their career, get married, stay home and have babies. We’d never hear about that disease ever again,…;) )
July 20th, 2020 at 7:47 pm
Mark2001 said:
“Some studies, however, have estimated that people without symptoms (whether truly asymptomatic or presymptomatic) could be responsible for up to half of the spread, which is why the virus has been so difficult to contain. Isolating people who are sick, for example, does not prevent the possibility they already passed the virus on to others. Some modeling studies have assumed quite widespread asymptomatic transmission.”
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“Some studies”, “whether truly”, “could be”, “some studies”, “have assumed”
When you bring my a study conclusion which doesn’t include these phrases, I will consider it’s scientific efficacy. You should know better.
July 20th, 2020 at 7:50 pm
“The bottom line… Some learn the truth the easy way…some the hard way. Such is life.”
mark2001, Right on point.
Except you forgot.
” Cause, STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN!!! Said, SO!
AND THAT’S, THE BOTTOM LINE!!! ”
Oops. I got momentarily, lost in another sport’s Iconic words!
Straight talk on your quote, for sure.
July 20th, 2020 at 7:56 pm
Joe,
Please post the comment that refuted StPete’s linked article. I put a lot of work into it. I had to actually read it, then do actual research!
If I said something stupid, delete it. I didn’t mean to! Do you really think Joe reads all these comments? Jiminy Christmas. Dozens don’t make it through for various reasons. –Joe
July 20th, 2020 at 8:33 pm
Mark2001 said:
“Some studies, however, have estimated that people without symptoms (whether truly asymptomatic or presymptomatic) could be responsible for up to half of the spread, which is why the virus has been so difficult to contain. Isolating people who are sick, for example, does not prevent the possibility they already passed the virus on to others. Some modeling studies have assumed quite widespread asymptomatic transmission.”
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“Some studies”, “whether truly”, “could be”, “some studies”, “have assumed”
When you bring me a study conclusion which doesn’t include these phrases, I will consider it’s scientific efficacy. You should know better.
July 20th, 2020 at 8:52 pm
Cobra…hate to break it to you…but many northern states have much less Covid that you do in Florida… in the county I visit twice the size of Pinellas, they have had 11 cases total, 1 death, 9 recovered. In fact, many northern states are asking those from Florida to self-quarantine for two weeks. Was otherwise in January and Feb. when NY was the epicenter. But Florida now holds the crown as the worst state in America for the disease. I wonder if the time will come where some professional sports teams will refuse to travel to Florida.
July 20th, 2020 at 10:10 pm
@Mark2001: go tell that to the head of the CDC. He was the one who said much of FL’s recent problem came from people up north coming down. Not me. I am the messenger.
And look at the overall stats of the northern states compared to FL.
And where is the gigantic, doomsday increase in deaths along with all those positive tests?
This virus is grossly exaggerated. But, please, continue the Fear Porn. Fap away!
July 20th, 2020 at 10:24 pm
@Mark2001:
New York’s per capita death rate is 8X Florida’s.
You care to try spinning that fact?
July 20th, 2020 at 11:05 pm
@stpete. When literally one person has gotten virtually every fact or scientific opinion wrong it’s hard to not take issue. Has their been a famous person who has literally been wrong every time he’s expressed his “opinion”.
Not sure how famous you think you are
Other than that, you seem to fit the bill
July 21st, 2020 at 1:07 am
I’ve never seen so many people yell about facts and factoids while presenting literally zero of them.
Why are so many of you so insistent on being stubborn idiots?
‘Murica, I know…
July 21st, 2020 at 11:12 am
Now reports are beginning to leak out that at minimum one test protocol is producing massive false positives. In one nursing home alone in CT, of 144 “positive” tests, 83 were false positives.
Tip of the iceberg, and could explain why there is a significant “spike” in positive tests without corresponding equivalent “spikes” in hospitalizations and deaths.
July 21st, 2020 at 1:16 pm
Cobra… not rational regarding the death rate. Corona broke out in NY, when we had people taking snake oil like Hydroxychloriquine and being put on what ventilators we had. The treatments improved substantially in the last few months. Thank you medical professionals…a pox on snakeoil salesmen.
Lets look at both infection rates currently…. NY rates have leveled off…Florida’s are skyrocketing. It is considered the new epicenter of the world. NY has 5000 new cases in the last seven days…Florida over 77,000,. Can’t spin that …read…and learn…
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
July 21st, 2020 at 1:27 pm
BTW..cobra…it isn’t the “tip of the iceberg”. It is one test by one company, over a three day period. Admittedly these things happen with a relatively new pandemic and newly developed tests, just as we can expect some vaccines to not work as well as we should hope. It is called scientific research and development. It isn’t perfect, but far better than the charlatan snake oil swags of some.
July 21st, 2020 at 1:32 pm
Newsflash… Eating two cans of Goya black beans a day, with a cup of sunshine, per person, is the best way to ward off the Corona virus.
Please…don’t try this….
July 21st, 2020 at 1:34 pm
mark2001
…a pox on snakeoil salesmen.
Are you finally coming around to reality?
Doubt it
July 21st, 2020 at 2:21 pm
I’ve always known the snake oil commander in chief was nothing but that.
July 21st, 2020 at 6:58 pm
LOL @ Mark2001.
Do you honestly think those false positives are a teeny, time one-off thing?
If so, you’re exchanging one snake oil salesman for another…
July 21st, 2020 at 9:52 pm
Cobra… this arguing..me with my facts and you with your cherry picked misleading facts, is pretty silly. And yes, I noticed you didn’t comment on my real infection rate facts and the NY Times infection rates.
Even Trump today said it will get far worse, is the plague and you should wear a mask in public when you can’t social distance…which is telling you that you have been wrong on just about everything. He undercut the very ground you stand on. Very sad. But you knew you were backing a snakeoil salesman, didn’t you?
July 21st, 2020 at 9:55 pm
Cobra… That two day situation in Connecticut is the only one mentioned in the news…yes..small potatoes in the scheme of things.
But look how wrong you were about the infection rates. You did check out the NY times for my Stats didn’t you.
And today DT told us it was the plague, would get much worse before it disappears and you should wear a mask in any situation where you can’t social distance. He is slow to acknowledge the truth, and some are even slower. Though in all fairness, he is wrong that it isn’t the plague…just a worldwide pandemic.