“You’ll Really Start To See The Shift”
June 2nd, 2020
When will too-long suffering Bucs fans know with certainty that Tampa Bay is finally a real-deal team again?
We were teased by the 9-3 start in 2008 and exhilarated by a young 10-6 Bucs in 2010, prior the 2011 implosion. The 2012 start at 6-4 was great before the ugly five-game losing streak. The 2016 season brought Bucs fans back from the dead only to realize Bucs management thought adding malcontents and ignoring the running game would push the team over the top. Last year the Bucs salvaged a train wreck start but limped off with two home losses.
That’s 12 years of no postseason play. Team Glazer should really issue fans special discounts for time served. How bout 12 percent off every stadium beer this year in recognition of the playoff drought?
Chris Godwin was chatting on SiriusXM NFL Radio last week and explained how he’ll know real change has come to his brethren at One Buc Palace.
“Limiting the mental errors and the plays that kill ourselves, and I think once we stop doing that, I think you’ll really start to see the shift and what will be, you know, the new Tampa Bay Buccaneers,” Godwin said.
Joe is yearning for this new day in Tampa Bay that Godwin speaks of.
And those mental errors weren’t all on America’s Quarterback, Saints backup Jameis Winston, The Bucs had 133 penalties last year. That’s a tremendous number. Most teams have a goal of 90 or less; 105 is reasonable. Demar Dotson and Shaq Barrett led the Bucs with 10 each. Carlton Davis had nine.
Playing aggressive, clean football will go a very long way toward turning the Bucs into a contender, in addition to a quarterback who protects the ball at all costs.
June 2nd, 2020 at 1:49 pm
The fans will know the tide is changing. When the stupid ass false starts and delay of game penalties stop.
June 2nd, 2020 at 1:54 pm
Most aggravating are the ones that wipe out big gains. A few runs by RoJo come to mind.
June 2nd, 2020 at 1:58 pm
You always knew when they really needed the first down who was going to kill the drive. It was Dotson with his illegal hands to the face or offsides. It has been going on for years.
June 2nd, 2020 at 2:18 pm
Thats what the biggest coaches gets you…. 7-9 most turnovers, penalties, miss tackles, miss fgs, botched timeouts, and of course LOSING
June 2nd, 2020 at 2:44 pm
And, most don’t know that JW was the most penalized QB in the league with 6….
Many were intentional grounding……his technique there was very poor……
Vea had very few penalties with 3……
June 2nd, 2020 at 2:45 pm
The moniker “america’s QB” is dead with regards to Jamies. I know you all are still trying to hold on, but it’s “america’s backup” now!
June 2nd, 2020 at 3:10 pm
The first game we play where we don’t have to climb out of a self inflicted deficit.
June 2nd, 2020 at 3:26 pm
You can say, think or visualize Winning all you like. The only shift I want to see is Wins. Until we do this, everything else is just bs. Not a single game played and we are world champs. This road has long been worn out by us Bucs. I can’t wait.
June 2nd, 2020 at 3:56 pm
If the kicker makes his easy kicks, the team would have been 9-7 — and if the refs don’t make “mental mistakes” in Tennessee the team is 10-6.
I’m not that down on Gay going into his second year as many, if not most, rookie kickers struggle. But Gay also has NEVER in his entire life made a game winning kick. Gay could have ended that streak against the Giants, but choked big time. It will be amusing this year to see all these anti-Winston d-bags blaming the kicker if he misses something and saying you can’t put that loss on Brady.
In any case, hopefully Gay will suddenly not be a mental basket case in year 2 and will not cost us more games — and to be clear, I actually do think Gay will be OK.
Also, as a reminder, Roberto never missed a kick that mattered. With all you d-bags who still slam him, he made his game winning kick, unlike Gay – and none of his missed kicks and XP’s ever changed the outcome of a game.
June 2nd, 2020 at 4:13 pm
Well he may have “choked” not a word I would have used. I would have said that he felt the real pressure for the first time and it was truly overwhelming.
That game is impregnated in his life experience now. He is going to grow from it and expand himself to be able to identify with the place he has to be in to perform today’s field goals. They are way harder to handle with the NFL changes than they used to be. Go Bucs!! Fry will help a lot. Just watch and see.
June 2nd, 2020 at 4:32 pm
Not anti-JW but simply stating the facts……..Jameis threw two early interceptions and gave up 2 TD with a very short field to Tenn……
And, yes…..Devin White recovered a fumble at the end of the game which would have changed the outcome…
Jameis also fumbled 3 times in that game and lost 2…..
Many times early mistakes are overlooked but they still have an impact on the score.
June 2nd, 2020 at 5:05 pm
Some Bucs fans crack me up with the “We were 9-7, or should’ve been 9-7” talk. There’s no column for “should’ve won” or “almost won” (unless that falls under the “tie” column). You can’t revise history, no matter how much you want to. When you look up the Bucs 2019 record, it’s still gonna be 7-9. The Bucs record for 2019 will be 7-9 for eternity. Somehow you’ll have to get over it.
June 2nd, 2020 at 5:25 pm
Joe in Michigan
You are absolutely, positively 100% correct…….7-9 is 7-9……..I do think there is some importance in how you got there…..Turnovers, Rookie Defense, Kicking, Penalties…….
Because those can be fixed…….if it was lack of talent vs competitors, not so much.
June 2nd, 2020 at 5:33 pm
It’ll never happen, but I live your idea Joe(s).
1% off for every season in row that we don’t make the post season.
It’s a great idea.
June 2nd, 2020 at 5:34 pm
Love not live
June 2nd, 2020 at 5:52 pm
I don’t think officials should even be on the field in the NFL. Put them all up in separate booths and look close at every play. Too many games are won and lost to crap calls.
June 2nd, 2020 at 6:01 pm
I’m hardly a fan of JW and his horrid decisions and turnovers and yes he had some penalties as well…..
But penalties and STUPID play have become a Buc tradition through at least the past half dozen coaches. We are as frustrating as any team in the league and it’s clear the players are also aware they are beating themselves.
Let’s hope that finally changes.
June 2nd, 2020 at 6:10 pm
I haven’t seen one iota of improvement buether by omission or commission nor by addition or subtraction …the only champs we are, are on paper….can’t even say play-offs……we have more than a foundation… NE12 is all we need , that’s what they say!!
June 2nd, 2020 at 6:20 pm
You see these blind refs and ask, “how the hell did he get this job.” I’ve always believed Goodell (yak) and owners fix games with penalties in some way. Maybe like Brady vs Winston for an easy Pat’s win. Nothing but money to the NFL. Brady and Gronk have shown up in Tampa and hopefully bringing the “we’ll let it go this time”
June 2nd, 2020 at 6:58 pm
Refs shouldn’t be on the fields they should be up in the boxes where everything is clear and easy to see.
June 2nd, 2020 at 7:14 pm
Tampabaybucsfan: You bring up a good point, I can see the logic in that.
June 2nd, 2020 at 7:20 pm
Woulda coulda shoulda don’t matter squat.
Casual fan homers will rationalize everything.
“We are who we are.” In this case, 2019 was a sloppy 7-9.
Will 2020 be different?
June 2nd, 2020 at 7:23 pm
SOEbuc Says:
“I’ve always believed Goodell (yak) and owners fix games with penalties in some way.”
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Ditto
#RogerGoodellAndHisMerryBandOfFreemasonRefs
June 2nd, 2020 at 7:34 pm
Not to mention all the refs are eligible for Medicare.
June 2nd, 2020 at 7:44 pm
The shift happens when the clock hits zero in a playoff game and they have more points than the other team. Anything less means nothing.
June 2nd, 2020 at 7:59 pm
Yeah Joe in Michigan, you tell em! There’s no place in this world for nuance or explanations or remembering what actually happened – the only thing that matters is the final score!!!! It doesn’t matter if a kicker misses a kick after the QB drives down the field in the final seconds of the game to get the team to the 10 yard line only to have the coach take him off the field to kick a FG – it’s on the QB if you lose!!!!! I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!!! NO EXCUSES!!!! NO REMEMBERING OF STUFF!!!! GRRRRR!!!! It makes me so angry when people don’t repeat bumper sticker talk like “SCOREBOARD”!!!! GRRRR!!!!! SO ANGRY!!!!
June 2nd, 2020 at 8:08 pm
stpetebucsfan – JW set every single offensive passing record for the team (except for INTs), while playing with the worst defense and worst kicking game in the NFL.
Again, I’m for the Brady signing. If you can great Brady, you get him – the team has to have a shot in the arm before the Glazers decide to move them to London because the stadium is old and they’re getting 30k people a game. I’m totally onboard with Brady.
But the BS of pretending as if having a top 5 offense year in, year out, is why the team was losing when we had the worst defense and kicking game since 2015 is just obnoxious.
If the defense is it’s normal horrific self this year, and the kicking game stinks, I already know that everyone that blamed Winston for everything, they’re all going to talk about Brady is doing his job and the defense and kicking game are failing him. Hopefully it’s not an issue because the team is winning, but if it’s not, all the people that blamed Winston for everything will be talking about how the team is letting Brady down. That much I can guarantee – and it’s in large part why the anti-Winston people are so annoying.
June 2nd, 2020 at 8:31 pm
Now that we have a qb that can throw a pass out of bounds if need be and will have the respect of the team, all of this should and will get better. Hope defense can lay off the false starts…
June 2nd, 2020 at 9:29 pm
Rod munch. we didn’t really have a top 5 offense til last year. we barely scraped the top ten most years but never hit top 5 in Winston’s tenure til last year.
I mean I guess we could keep blaming kickers and overlook other problems. You CANNOT the one thing that kept shooting this team in the foot more then anything were turnovers.
June 2nd, 2020 at 9:29 pm
Joe’s come on how is that in moderation?
June 2nd, 2020 at 10:35 pm
Rod Munch: I looked it up again to see if your rant changed anything…Still 7-9.
Sorry.
June 2nd, 2020 at 10:58 pm
Rod
When the lights come on the big players show up big!
Others unfortunately CHOKE!
We were riding a win streak into the final two very winnable games at home. The defense had clearly improved…we all hoped so had JW. Win those two and have a WINNING record and a head start on 2020. Win just one of them and we at least avoid another LOSING record.
With all that on the line…JW’s vaunted leading offense put 3 points on the board in the four quarters that comprised the second halves of those critical games. THREE points in two second halves combined!! Some offense when the pressure was on.
Oh but wait we’re talking about “BLAMELESS” so lets get the excuses. ME13 and Godwin were both out…we had a bad OL…no running yadda yadda.
Perriman put up over 100 yards in each of the final two games…ROJO had OVER 100 yards of total offense in each of those last two games.
When all the chips are on the line you can count on JW to roll “craps”.
June 3rd, 2020 at 12:07 am
Yo Madea (bighog)…..where your protest of the black lives matter against the ACTUAL black lives that MATTER who are being killed and l o o ted!!! Thats a sham and a mfn joke and you know it!!! All lives matter but they dont care. Free stuff, chaos, tear some stuff up, right? You’re still breathing but blind dumb and deaf because you choose to be.
June 3rd, 2020 at 12:33 am
Tampabuscsbro –
Offensive ranking…
2015 – #5
2016 – #18
2017 – #9
2018 – #3
2019 – #3
If you look it up, the top 5 offensive seasons by the Bucs, they are:
2019, 2018, 2015, 2017, 2012
Those are the only 5 seasons in the history of the team where the Bucs were in the top 10 offensively – and 4 of those seasons were under Winston.
Winston owns all the team passing records, except, for as I stated, the INT record. Oh, and he did all of this at the age of 25.
People celebrating him leaving are morons, in particular with him going to New Orleans. I said back when we signed Brady the worst case scenario would be that Winston goes to New Orleans, sits for a year behind Brees, then hangs 40 on the Bucs for the next 15 seasons.
Will it happen? I don’t know – but the Buccaneers tend to screw up just about everything, and generally the radio sports talk dullards lead the way on screwing stuff up.
Also, again, because I know on this place that there can be zero nuance, but I’m for the Brady signing. I think it’s a good short term move – but I also think it’s a very stupid long-term move – which is why the Bucs should have done everything possible to try to resign Winston once they saw the market wasn’t forming for him to get a big deal. I don’t know if he’d have taken a deal, but they should have tried. In any case the anti-Winston nonsense is just pure stupidity (not necessarily aimed at you, just a general statement).
Winston literally had the worst defense in football since 2015, literally had the worst kicking game in football since 2015, all while playing the hardest schedule since 2016 — and all while setting all the offensive records for the team.
But yeah, he single handedly was why the team was losing.
June 3rd, 2020 at 12:41 am
stpetebucsfan – You mean in the games where he lost his two all-pro WRs and only had one NFL talent to throw to since Bruce doesn’t let his TEs run routes. Not that I blame Arians considering Brate was involved in the two huge plays that lost those last two games, when he dropped the easiest pass of his career with 3 minutes left against the Texans, on 4th down, at the Texans 30. But yeah, that’s all on Winston. Then in OT he just stands still waiting for the ball to come to him when a LB jumps the route.
In the Atlanta game Winston was lighting them up, then at halftime the morons on the Falcons sideline figured out what everyone knew – Winston only had Perriman to throw to, so they took him out of the game. There was literally no one else to throw to, no one that was getting open. Also there’s the fact that he only threw the ball 6 times in the 2nd half of the Falcons game, a game they easily win if Gay makes 1 of his 3 kicks.
Also, since I know your mind isn’t as agile as it was in the 1940s, I’ll remind you Gay missed 4 kicks in those last two games.
Again, the nonsense of pretending that everything is on Winston is pure nonsense.
June 3rd, 2020 at 12:42 am
Joe in Michigan – IM WITH YOU BROTHA!!! SCOREBOARD!!!! SCOREBOARD!!!! SCOREBOARD!!!!
June 3rd, 2020 at 1:26 am
Munch – you keep throwing out stats like that’s all that matters when making a personnel decision.
Keep JW as a backup… here’s why that would t/didn’t work.
JW situational football was poor. (There are stats for that.)
JW was demanding $30m+. You can’t think it would’ve been a good idea to pay him $30m annually for 2 yrs.
JW is a 3rd string backup. Behind a gimmick QB. And that gimmick QB just got 10x the annual salary JW took. He probably begged Peyton to get on the team.
JW lost the room. His teammates had to pay the price for his poor situational football, plus his cardinal sin, lying to the team and ensuing suspension.
I’m guessing you won’t hear any of this due to that A$$hat you are wearing.
Oh…and respect your elders .
In BA I Trust!
June 3rd, 2020 at 1:40 am
Rod Munch: Love ya, man! Us Bucs fans have to stick together!