Did The Bucs/NFL Save A Life?
June 19th, 2020
Just after news broke Thursday night that a member of the Bucs’ coach staff (unidentified) tested positive for “The Sickness,” Joe got a twitter from a loyal reader suggesting this is a sign there will be no football this year.
On the contrary, not only does Joe think the revelation was good in the long run, but may have saved a life.
The easiest way to make sure Bucs staffers and players don’t come down with this is testing, testing, testing. Daily if need be.
Joe was tested two weeks ago. It took maybe 15 seconds. It was quite uncomfortable but totally painfree (a nurse jams a Q-tip up both nostrils about as far as it will go just long enough to get a sample. Again, painless but uncomfortable. You just wanted to sneeze really bad).
The NFL had strict protocols for teams to follow (which are being refined) in order for team facilities to be partially opened this week. One was testing.
These strict protocols may have saved a life or lives. Think about it: The Bucs assistant who tested positive was asymptomatic. Had he/she not been tested, he/she could have spread this to untold numbers of people, including 67-year-old Bucco Bruce Arians (67) and offensive assistant Tom Moore (81).
As we all know, “The Sickness” really does a number on senior citizens, sometimes resulting in death.
The way Joe is looking at this, it is a good thing those NFL protocols are strict. They may have already saved a life.
June 19th, 2020 at 12:23 am
First off hopefully this person gets healthy and recovers fully.
But is this really a surprise that one of Grandpa Bucco Bruces gazillion asst coaches got it??? Not surprised cause he has the most ridiculous sized coaching staff in football to cover for him. Lets’ pray that the cheapa$$ Glazers help this person and gets the proper treatment and time off necessary.
June 19th, 2020 at 12:52 am
Geez Buddy, sanitizer, gloves and masks, oh my!
June 19th, 2020 at 2:19 am
Too Bad, hope they recover well
June 19th, 2020 at 3:34 am
Is the coach in question 80 years or older?, in a nursing home? Have an underlying condition? Then they will be fine.
We get so preoccupied with how many new cases we lose sight of the fact the death’s still seem very confined to a very small segment and a very small overall number. I notice the media doesn’t talk about deaths much only “new” cases.
Hope this coach feels better soon…assuming they even knew they had it.
June 19th, 2020 at 5:41 am
#WakeUpPete
we’ve lost double what we lost in Vietnam in 3 months…
get real…
covid is exploding right now in the tampa / orlando area…
some are calling it the new hot spot…
we are still knee deep in the first wave, with a second wave to come…
big trouble in little china…toss in the racial stuff and we have a hot pot of a country that’s about to boil over in the summer heat…
let’s pray they figure out a way to at least play football in empty stadiums, because that’s gonna be a tall order as is…
if y’all think fans are mixing into the plan, you got another thing coming…
we do need football…so let’s pray we get it…
somehow…someway
June 19th, 2020 at 5:48 am
i know 5 people…luckily not close to me…that died of covid19…
five…
how many do you know?…
until you know people who actually died, it sometimes doesn’t hit home…
this virus is real…
however it began is irrelevant, it is real…
as of a day or so ago 650 – 750 were dying in this country from covid daily…
maybe i obsess with this stuff as much as we all obsess with the bucs, but these are facts my dudes…
check sources like you study bucs tape…
#SourceUpNow #GetTheFacts
June 19th, 2020 at 6:10 am
Pete- A quick view of the reporting by CDC shows that it is NOT just old people dying. Would you be willing to take the risk? Let someone stick you with a needle-full to test your “hypothesis”?
Don’t be a dummy. We don’t know enough about this thing yet. Parroting a talking head doesn’t make it factual. Not even the scientists know for sure.
BTW, I just read an article that talks about the deaths relative to the new cases. So, once again, you are misinformed. Try looking at different news sources. Start with local. Do some research. The cable news is there to sell soap (CNN, Fox, etc.).
June 19th, 2020 at 6:44 am
See even fans here are duped into believing this garbage. Noticed this morning on local news… AGAIN no mention of deaths only “new” cases. That is because deaths aren’t keeping up with these “new” cases.
What a bunch of gutless cowards we have become.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:17 am
local bay news tells pete everything he needs to know…
haha
June 19th, 2020 at 7:23 am
BTW Adam from the tyrannical NY – you do not know 5 people who have died from Covid 19 – unless you know 5 people in a nursing home or work in one – The odds are astronomical to the point of making you a fibber.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:29 am
Maybe it’s time for 81 year old Tom Moore to hang it up. If he get’s covid, and dies, it wouldn’t be good for the NFL this season moving forward. I don’t know that his value to the Bucs now with Brady out weighs the risks of the old coot dying.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:38 am
In our business, me and the Lovely Wife talk to some of the top naturopathic doctors and biologists in the country. From what they are saying, this thing is mutating and increasing in virulence. I want football as much as anyone, but I don’t think it’s gonna happen.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:20 am
I bet you’re still not willing to gamble on it though! Are you?!
If you say “yes”, you’re not just a “fibber” you’re a straight-face liar.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:21 am
As an “older” person I have a dog in this hunt.
First it does not attack older people! It attacks folks with pre existing conditions!
Now…DUH…older folks ALL have pre existing conditions. I’m relatively healthy…work out 4-5 times a week…play tennis etc…I’m lucky. I’ve had one malignant skin cancer removed…a very mild heart attack…again compared to my friends and peers I”ve been lucky.
So yeah…more old folks ARE closer to checking out than young people because again…DUH…bodies wear out over time. So no doubt the disease will claim more older folks…the older the more worn out the body but it also claims a fair amount of younger folks…diabetics…weight issues…ANY pre existing condition not just age.
FINALLY…here is how SMART players are viewing this season. I wish I could recall the guys name…flashed by on NFL Net…he is very concerned about safety and protocols….he’s a young stud…his health is NOT threatened…his wife has diabetes…what if he contracts it at work and brings it home to his family.
READ THAT LAST SENTENCE AGAIN AND APPLY IT TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW WORKING ON THE FRONT LINES~
Again…thank you docs..nurses..EMT’s…servers who continue to provide us food…yeah they are young and the VAST MAJORITY but not all face no risk to themselves…but to their loved ones and friends?
Loved ones and friends is why I wear a mask…YOUR loved ones and friends.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:28 am
“Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a June 8 news briefing, “From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” adding, “It’s very rare.” She explained the importance of this for policy purposes. “What we really want to be focused on is following the symptomatic cases,” Van Kerkhove said. “If we actually followed all of the symptomatic cases, isolated those cases, followed the contacts and quarantined those contacts, we would drastically reduce” the outbreak.
“The CDC has found that only seven percent of American deaths attributed to COVID-19 didn’t have preexisting conditions, while in Italy a study found merely one percent didn’t.”
COVID deaths are 277 per 100k in 65+, and 13.6 per 100k in under 65.
The sky is NOT falling, although some want the population scared.
Imagine the panic if EVERY seasonal flu case was heralded on the daily news, and anyone who died while they had the flu was considered a flu death.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:32 am
@Old School Athlete: other “experts” are claiming that this virus has lost much of its mojo, and the “mutations” are a sign of breaking down.
I never thought of any naturopath as an “expert” in anything but hyping homeopathic remedies that don’t work…for their personal profit shearing the True Believer sheep.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:46 am
Although some people think testing actually makes the virus worse. Ugh. Hope they recover and did not infect anyone else. I imagine this came from someone outside the building within the week so players and coaches better be ready to ONLY focus on football at work and home. Nowhere else.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:54 am
watch your mouth pete…
respect the dead…
that’s not funny and not very nice
June 19th, 2020 at 9:30 am
@Cobraboy.
Relax, man. I wasn’t trying to start anything with you. Just throwing out there what some really smart people are saying. If you don’t want to believe it, that’s fine. Personally, I hope they’re wrong. Like I said, I want to see football as much as anyone!
June 19th, 2020 at 10:05 am
Wow somebody caught Covid. You know the virus that has less deaths than the seasonal flu. And that’s counting people that had Covid but that died from everything under the sun but not actually from Covid. Got it! This has all been a scam to usher in a police state.
June 19th, 2020 at 10:28 am
Adam from tyrannical NY is still fibbing.
June 19th, 2020 at 11:30 am
No Adam I don’t know anyone that’s died from covid.
I don’t know anyone that’s even tested positive or negative for it for that matter.
I know a lot of people.
June 19th, 2020 at 11:32 am
Previously, Fauci has warned the intimate nature of football makes it highly conducive to spreading the virus.
“That’s the perfect setup for spreading (the virus),” Fauci said last month. “I would think that if there is an infected football player on the field – a middle linebacker, a tackle, whoever it is it – as soon as they hit the next guy, the chances are that they will be shedding virus all over that person.”
Snake boy:” other “experts” are claiming that this virus has lost much of its mojo, and the “mutations” are a sign of breaking down”….Funny, I haven’t heard of this yet. Got a verified source for that, Snakey?
Oh, you can’t? Well, I guess we should all just take your opinion as the real deal.
June 19th, 2020 at 11:33 am
you can not spread COVID if you are a asymptomatic
June 19th, 2020 at 11:53 am
Pete…let us hope they are fine. But in case you haven’t been keeping up with the real news, this disease kills at all ages. It is just that the elderly is most vulnerable,because of compromised immune systems, and the big red flags of Diabetes, Heart disease, and Respiratory issues. Things like being overweight and such also are issues. But as no Bucs fans have any of those issues, shouldn’t be a problem…right?
June 19th, 2020 at 12:00 pm
Buc1987 you just don’t know the right people…or maybe anyone showing symptoms. But currently it is about one in every 300 Florida citizens. So you might be right that you haven’t seen any…so far. 86,000 confirmed cases out of 21 million. I mean… if you only believe in something until it bites you in the backside, I can see why you wouldn’t perceive it as a big problem.
June 19th, 2020 at 12:06 pm
I’m a senior with no existing conditions and magic O blood. Not Obese or anything of the sort. So I’m in pretty good shape. But still, realize that many innocents will die if I don’t take proper precautions. So I do…for my fellow Americans as well as my family.
June 19th, 2020 at 12:41 pm
Pete I Says
“Is the coach in question 80 years or older?, in a nursing home? Have an underlying condition? Then they will be fine.”
There are news reports all over saying the young people are dying too now. Get with the times!
June 19th, 2020 at 12:42 pm
I know two people who died, and another in critical.
June 19th, 2020 at 1:32 pm
Unlikely Bonsai!
And no all ages are not dying in any perceptible amount.
The percentage is so low as to be non existent.
You guys show why it is so easy to dupe people.
June 19th, 2020 at 5:03 pm
We have lost far more Americans from this virus already than we did in Vietnam, by far. So I guess the talk about dead and wounded in Vietnam was non-existent? Just some hoax. It didn’t happen. Dupe is right.
June 19th, 2020 at 5:09 pm
Pete.. 58000 lost in Vietnam…37000 in Korea….4500 Iraq…2400 Afghanistan…120,000 Covid…greater than the total of all those military actions…all hoaxes and non-existent. Dupe?
June 19th, 2020 at 5:13 pm
WWI…116000 Americans died. All inconsequential…Dupe?
June 19th, 2020 at 5:34 pm
Well mark2001, those numbers MUST be fake news!
I read a great article in the NY Times (“fake news”). Jon Stewart said that, I’m paraphrasing here, “It’s not malevolence that ills our people, it’s ignorance.”
If it doesn’t fit our belief system, we cast it aside. Stewart said that we should embrace and explore different viewpoints.
I agree.
June 19th, 2020 at 5:48 pm
Bucfanman. Didn’t get those from some liberal site. All the war deaths have been out there for years, decades, a century. The Covid information is simply an addition of state data, many of them provided by Republicans. So what is debatable about that? Some things can be debated…but the number of deaths isn’t, unless you want to suggest there were actually more Covid deaths that were attributed to other causes and the numbers should be greater.
June 19th, 2020 at 5:59 pm
From the feds: 58,220 KIA in Vietnam.
From New York Times: US death toll coronavirus 100,000+
June 19th, 2020 at 6:10 pm
mark2001- I apologize as my post was HIGHLY sarcastic! I agree whole-heartedly. It was just a statement as to how we now deal with conflicting or uncomfortable conversations.
Doesn’t fit? Must be fake.
I actually LOVE that you posted those numbers. It, literally, disintegrates any argument defining this scourge as a hoax.
How comfortable would people feel arguing that these deaths are minor, in comparison?
I don’t think there’ll be many.
June 19th, 2020 at 6:12 pm
I use NYT “Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count” Updated 5:15ET as one source.. 118993, and this one…nCoV2019.live which says over 121,000. I figured 120,000 is pretty close, but of course it changes from hour to hour. We former Illinois boys know how to do our research.
June 19th, 2020 at 6:16 pm
Regarding my Covid number sources…
I use NYT “Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count” Updated 5:15ET as one source.. 118993, and this one…nCoV2019.live which says over 121,000. I figured 120,000 is pretty close, but of course it changes from hour to hour.
June 19th, 2020 at 6:22 pm
Agreed Bucsfanman. Wouldn’t be me. I wouldn’t be one to sit in judgment as to which loss of life is the greater tragedy.
June 19th, 2020 at 6:39 pm
From the CDC. Though it didn’t specify, I believe these are the 2018 numbers
Top ten causes of death
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
Four of the top ten are also the ‘pre-existing conditions’ that make *the sickness* fatal.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:08 pm
So GP…you are possibly trying to suggest that these people would die anyway, are you? Well, using that logic, I guess we should worry about deaths in war, since we have 169000 people die accidents. We can just rationalize that war is an accident, and so no problem. They would have died in a accident if they are not evasive enough to not die in a war.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:09 pm
Shouldn’t worry about people that die serving America in our wars. Accidents will happen.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:09 pm
For the record
WW 1 was responsible for roughly 8.5 million military deaths and over 13 million civilian deaths. Provided you are not concerned with which side they fought for.
Some of those deaths are attributed to the influenza pandemic of 1918 for which there are no accurate tabulations.
WW 2 was worse.
Over 20 million military deaths (again, all combatants combined) and 40 million civilians.
Numbers, like words, mean things,
Sometimes they can even make one feel somewhat insignificant?
June 19th, 2020 at 7:15 pm
gp- Are these statistics, in comparison or in general, acceptable to you or anyone else?
Do we just ACCEPT these? Could more be done? OR, are we OK with another 100-200k a year dying?
Again, what if it’s a loved one? Wife? Child? Mother? Father?
Are we OK with this?
I mean, forget COVID. Are we OK with this?
Yes, death lurks among us all, but…..
June 19th, 2020 at 7:16 pm
gp…I am concerned about all deaths. So what is your point? I’m talking about American deaths due to covid. They don’t seem to mean too much to you, or at least it doesn’t seem concerning to you. After all, to you they seem to be just numbers. And no…whenever someone loses a loved one, especially an American, it is significant to someone…another American. Just not to some others, it seems.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:17 pm
mark2001
Speaking of accidents…
Planned Parenthood performs roughly 300,000 abortions each year(almost 350 in 2018). The majority of those are done in “low income” areas.
Do any of those mean anything to you????
June 19th, 2020 at 7:28 pm
Are you blind GP.? Sure all lives mean something to me… I’ve protested against abortion along 19 years ago. But two wrongs don’t make a right. And you can’t justify endangering others lives because of the lives lost through other losses of lives and tragedies. That is from the devil himself. You don’t see how faulty…and heartless…your logic is?
I believe in protecting all lives. You obviously are seriously confused. So the lives of selected others mean nothing to you, but you are concerned about abortion? Hypocrite is about the only word for it.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:30 pm
NPR and BBC are legit sources of all the bad things in this country at the moment. Owners vote red and likely do anything for their blood money. Even if it’s not the safest situation.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:33 pm
mark2001
I am Proudly. and staunchly Pro-Life
Just in case you couldn’t tell
I posted those numbers because you posted the losses in various military and ‘police’ actions without including all of the numbers.
If anything, YOU should be ashamed for your implacable indifference.
Sir.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:36 pm
gp…you are not pro life of many Americans…just those you choose. I am not indifferent to any loss of life. We were stictly talking about Americans to begin with and then you diverged. Why? Because you were the child of confusion..trying to rationalize the death of American by Covid. All I can say to you is,… get behind thee Satan.
June 19th, 2020 at 7:45 pm
Reread my posts.
I offered NO opinions until the last.
Your assumptions about my ‘logic’ are unfounded and how you came by them, I have no idea.
I cannot and will not stand for the distaste of the words you are putting in my mouth.
You barely do well enough speaking for yourself!
June 19th, 2020 at 7:51 pm
My Mother co-founded the Florida Right To Life movement about 50 years ago. She passed away 2 years ago from cancer.
If you were standing in front of me making this argument….You would no longer be standing.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:08 pm
Joe
I’m not taking the feds or the NYP numbers on the sickn
June 19th, 2020 at 8:14 pm
@ gp
Im guessing those numbers you provided are totals for the YEAR. The 120000 deaths so far from covid is in FOUR months. I would say that is a staggering stat.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:18 pm
*they’re both clueless and don’t know how to fix the majority problem. If we’re supposed to be the best and United and smartest country in the world (lol), this country and states should of been on lock from the beginning.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:18 pm
Bucsfanman
Sorry it took so long to get back to you.
All of those “statistics” were somebody’s child. Mother, Father, Husband, Wife, Grandma, Grandpa, hopefully they all had someone who cared for them and for whom they cared for or their lives were sadly empty.
I care for all of them regardless of whether or not I knew their name.
I was merely pointing out that many of the arguments on this subject do not contain perspective. I used earlier posts in this thread as a starting point to make a point.
I was attacked before I could even voice an opinion.
Basically, stop trying to use statistics. Most of them are flawed and none include names.
Also, In my humble opinion, you cannot beat death. It is more pervasive than taxes. Take care of yourself and your loved ones and let them know constantly that you love them because you do not know the time.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:33 pm
GP… you don’t care about life…I don’t care who your mother was…the question is, who are you? You were dismissing the Covid death with the first words out of your mouth, talking about the deaths from other things and the others that dies in wars. Your intent was evident. And your response to my concern for the lives of those that might die from Covid? You talk about Abortion. And that death is inevitable, so why try.
So I’ll give you a chance to clarify yourself.
Do you think Covid is a national pandemic, and that we should use every measure possible to avoid exposure to others…social distancing, masks, testing, limiting social gatherings, quarantining of those testing positive, and such? Though death may be inevitable, do you believe in vaccines and medical research to prevent this disease?
Show me you really believe in making a reasonable effort to prevent this virus, and unnecessary deaths and tragedy.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:37 pm
@gp
While all death is horrible, but here is something else to ponder. I cant catch cancer from someone else or have stroke because i sat by a person who had a stroke in the past or as fate would have it have a stroke that night died while i slept comfortably in my bed. I can however get covid from somebody. Totally different
June 19th, 2020 at 8:39 pm
gp..I can handle my self…but your threats show your true self. So much for your love of mankind and Americans. All you can do is resort to threats of violence. I don’t care who your mom was. You have shown our assumptions about your statements were probably right on the money.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:41 pm
And to show you what a fair guy I am, I’ll give you a chance to clarify yourself.
Do you think Covid is a national pandemic, and that we should use every measure possible to avoid exposure to others…social distancing, masks, testing, limiting social gatherings, quarantining of those testing positive, and such? Though death may be inevitable, do you believe in vaccines and medical research to prevent this disease?
Show me you really believe in making a reasonable effort to prevent this virus, and unnecessary deaths and tragedy. I hope I am wrong. That means innocent Americans will be protected.
June 19th, 2020 at 8:42 pm
GP..so show me I’m wrong…
Do you think Covid is a national pandemic, and that we should use every measure possible to avoid exposure to others…social distancing, masks, testing, limiting social gatherings, quarantining of those testing positive, and such? Though death may be inevitable, do you believe in vaccines and medical research to prevent this disease?
June 19th, 2020 at 9:00 pm
I would say yes to all of those things but I’m willing to bet your parameters are not the same as mine.
Kinda tired of putting up with you tonight though so, Good Night!
June 20th, 2020 at 2:22 am
@gp
America is only 4% of the world’s population yet we have 25% of the covid deaths. Another stat that is staggering
June 20th, 2020 at 8:02 am
As the CDC has said, if you are out in public, you should wear a mask. And should be social distancing in any public activities. And social gatherings should only occur where they have social distancing. Development of a vaccine to prevent this disease and the research required is pretty straight forward. Those are pretty straight forward parameters. Parameters other than that? Other than that, it is lesser than that required to protect our fellow citizens. Unless you mean stricter “parameters”. And don’t think you are going there. But if you are, I commend you for being a citizen that is going above and beyond to show their care for their fellow American. And that is beyond what I do.
June 20th, 2020 at 8:57 am
gp- Didn’t mean to come off attacking. After reading your subsequent posts, I understood your viewpoint.
June 20th, 2020 at 9:17 am
I dont see how there will be a season.
Certainly wont be any fans in the stands.
June 20th, 2020 at 10:34 am
Jerry..it will be like walking a tight rope…with players in and out. I heard they are expanding the practice squad four players for each team. I assume that is in an effort to keep the things going. But the results, if the season is fully completed, might be more based upon which teams can stay the healthiest more than ever before. Let’s just hope and pray for a vaccine ASAP.
June 20th, 2020 at 11:51 am
The ease of how the virus discussion is hijacked by politics is shown by GP and Mark2001. One tries to explain why it is serious and the other not so much. Then they get into a quarrel over who hates abortion more.
Only in Florida.
June 20th, 2020 at 1:08 pm
Socialistinoregon
I don’t see anywhere in my side of the discussion that politics was brought up. I was merely pointing out that cherry picking numbers leads to a skewed perspective.
Obviously, you were unable to discern this.
Hopefully you are still up in your quarantine state, you’ll be safer there.
June 20th, 2020 at 5:55 pm
Dang this guy Pete is truly an idiot.
Also, an embryo =/= a human, so those are not deaths. Sorry to break it to you.
June 20th, 2020 at 7:25 pm
Sage wisdom from an embryonic brain.
Take a few medical courses, just the basic ones so you might understand the course material.
On second thought, never mind, just don’t ever forget the condom, if it ever comes up.
June 21st, 2020 at 4:57 am
Wow… unbelievable that people are arguing this.. The real debate is if professional sports will ever come back…
June 21st, 2020 at 6:40 pm
Pete is that guy that still believes the Earth is flat cuz he didn’t see it with his own eyes. And when astronauts talk about it or show pictures, he thinks they’re fibbing. LOL. Ignorance is a bliss.
When you don’t understand something, just make it a conspiracy theory.
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