Report: No Empty Stadiums
May 5th, 2020
Boy, this benign throwaway, buried line sure seems really important to Joe.
The 2020 NFL schedule is to be released Thursday night. We all presume (hope?) the NFL season will kick off on time but with The Sickness floating around and no vaccine available, who knows?
In an article yesterday morning by Jake Trotter of BSPN about a fan survey on attending games with the cloud of The Sickness hanging in the air, this little item appears in the final sentence of the third paragraph.
A source told ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler that the NFL is not considering that idea as an option.
“That idea” would be games played in empty stadiums, and there has been a lot of chatter about it. It seems that won’t happen under NFL strongman Roger Goodell’s watch.
And for those who think/desire the Bucs to sell out games this fall with their new star-studded roster, how exactly can any NFL team adhere to social distancing guidelines yet have a full stadium with folks sitting just a foot or two away in all directions?
(Anyone go out to eat yesterday since Gov. Ron DeSantis unlocked restaurants? Notice how seating was rearranged? Now imagine that being an NFL stadium and picture trying to guzzle lukewarm $8 Miller Lites and scarfing way overpriced hot dogs while also wearing a cheap mask and roasting in the scorching September sun.)
Joe is guessing the NFL and/or the television networks, which pay the majority of the bills for the NFL, do not want the optics of live games in front of empty seats chronicled forever by NFL Films.
The Miami Dolphins this week announced their plans to adhere to social distancing rules. This would drop the capacity of Joe Robbie Stadium to 15,000, per the Palm Beach Post.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:08 am
There is a long way to go between now and September…….if 20,000 tickets are available, 20,000 will be sold…….they will find a way……computers are wonderful inventions.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:12 am
I would not go to any sporting event, concert, or large gathering of people until the vaccine is made available and I can take it. You guys go right ahead and show brother Corona all that love. I remember something my grandad use to tell me years ago. He said, never underestimate the ignorance and stupidity of people in large crowds. Enough said.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:15 am
Ain’t scart’ Plan on trying to attend multiple games in Tpa, NY, Vegas, Chi-town…
May 5th, 2020 at 11:16 am
I’ve tried to tell you guys before. There won’t be a 2020 season. Keeping fans safe is only the smaller part of it. How do you keep a squad of ~50 players and ?? staff safe? Quarantine all of them apart from their families for Aug. to January? How do you tell vastly overweight black men to saddle up and face off against another team? This doesn’t make me a happy troll here on a Bucs blog. I, also want to see Brady throwing to our receivers. I want to see if Dean will become the premier CB that I predict. I, also watch the draft picks. But, I also can read the papers and have a brain. No vaccine this year = no season.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:18 am
Going to be hard to sell tickets until this Sickness goes away. I’m not even going to church right now.
With things opening up too soon, this thing has to resurge and they’ll end up forced to implement tougher stay at home rules as a result.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:20 am
The NFL already knows the social distancing will end in June. When the final numbers come out later this summer it will show the actual death rate @ .005%. So basically you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than dying from Corvid.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:22 am
Of all of the sports out there, I think the NFL is best suited for this experiment. The length of their season makes it possible.
I can’t imagine the hundred and some odd games of baseball, thirty some of hockey or roundball generating the TV revenue to not go broke.
The NFL can. The optics might not be good, but tough. Of course they could do a 25% capacity thing, but that would get enough fans up in arms that they might drop the whole thing, or do a lottery.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:22 am
and what happens when one player tests positive? is the whole team quarantined for 14 days? forfeit 2 games? it’s going to get messy. Stay at Home it’s not worth the risk, till there is a vaccine or viable treatment.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:23 am
To see Brady live in a Bucs uniform at RayJay? I’m down with the sickness.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:24 am
If they do it and I bring a few friends….do we all have to sit 6 feet apart from one another?
bucsfaninoregon…you and a few posters are the only ones saying it. Like literally.
Ron Desantis said there can be games with no fans in the stands. Same with Gov’s in NY and California. Trump said he sees no reason why the season can’t start in September. All these peeps saying this stuff. Then you come to JBF and read gibberish. I’m sorry it just is.
Why do you suppose the Bucs went out and spent all this money on Brady and Gronk if there wasn’t go to be a season in 2020? Especially Gronk. Why trade away a pick and pay the guy 10 million if there’s not going to be a seasdn?
May 5th, 2020 at 11:28 am
It’s very simple. If you have some sort of weird auto immune deficiency, asthma, heart disease, diabetes etcetera – Stay home. Your poor decisions should not be MY consequences. Let the healthy people bring back this great country and economy. Your big daddy government, Bill Gates, and pharma will have you all vaccinated with an ID Microchip in your ass soon enough
May 5th, 2020 at 11:29 am
>>> How do you tell vastly overweight black men to saddle up and face off against another team? <<<
What about fat white dudes, or Hispanics, or the Polynesians?
Only black dudes are prone to disobeying authority in the NFL?
As they say in Mad Men, Its your job. I give you money. That's what the money is for!
May 5th, 2020 at 11:30 am
Honestly how long do you doom and gloomers think they’re going to hold the economy down???
May 5th, 2020 at 11:32 am
It’s really sad to see grown men scared to even walk outside. I’ve had both the Swine flu and Covid 19 because I deal so much with national and international travel. Our entire staff of over 50 were exposed to it in mid January. The symptoms were extremely similar to the seasonal flu.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:35 am
Bucnjim5656…I think I had it in Jan. too.
Fever, cough, nothing wrong with the nose or anything.
never had a cold like that before. So maybe.
Lasted 10 days.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:36 am
Youngbucs…some say…all the way to November.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:41 am
Enough already with the panic mode. Debbie Downers really piss me off. A lot can happen between now & Sept.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:41 am
@bucfaninoregon you wanna bet there won’t be a season? I guarantee you there will be a season. Heck the newest reports have the CDC cutting the death rate in half. This crap was not nearly as bad as some wanted you to believe. 3 times that many people died from the common flu during that time. You see people in masks from that? There will be football, GUARANTEED. Too much money to lose, especially in college.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:43 am
Herd immunity at it’s best. I’ll watch the games on TV while you guys get the atmosphere right at the games. Go Bucs!!!
May 5th, 2020 at 11:43 am
Bucinjim56 – Nailed it. And let’s throw another number out there for the fun of it. Let’s say 200,000 people got covid from reopening in Florida. That’s still not even 1 percent of the population of Florida. This shut down isn’t about public health. That’s BS. Our healthcare was unprepared. Once we have testing the government is perfectly fine with the numbers. But let’s all be hypocrites and pretend to be humanitarians or something. If you guys really cared about people dying then you’d be bringing this same energy to the greater number of people dying from heart disease, people dying in car accidents, or cancer. How about the people laughing at Florida for opening beaches like “ahhh there goes floriduhhh again.” Then what happens when California opens their beaches? 100 thousand people show up. Are those the same SJW dems making fun of Florida? Bunch of trash hypocrite people the most of you are
May 5th, 2020 at 11:44 am
CGI fans
May 5th, 2020 at 11:45 am
BucnJim5656, your’re an idiot!
May 5th, 2020 at 11:49 am
PSL Bob…you have to elaborate.
You can’t just leave it at that.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:49 am
Gofortheface30 – “If you have some sort of weird auto immune deficiency, asthma, heart disease, diabetes etcetera – Stay home. Your poor decisions should not be MY consequences” – how are having these things poor decisions?
May 5th, 2020 at 11:50 am
Lol if you’re scared of this virus then stay home! Stop making this overhyped .1 death rate virus destroy our country. We need to get to the point of herd immunity that way if this comes back be don’t have to do this all over again.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:51 am
Some would say the Bucs and RJS has been practicing social distancing for years.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:52 am
When normal comes around we will have a new QB and empty seats. No difference.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:53 am
Sure…..some will stay away…..but some won’t ……..the 25% capacity will mean 100% sellouts……
That means 75% can watch at home……
They will take temps….wear masks….test players, coaches & refs regularly…..and come what may.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:56 am
Lot of folks jumping to the conclusion that we will be open with modest infection prevalence by the fall. I truly hope that’s the case, but there is a 6 week or more lag, so the early opening locations will be our canary in the coal mine. Just know it’s all speculation until the end of June. Fingers crossed the best case scenario holds true, but remember wanting it doesn’t make it so. Making it political doesn’t change biology either, so really not much point in that. Lastly, no one knows how this will play out, so remember your belief structure for how this is going to go is no different than Easter bunnies and a faked moon landing. If you already have it all figured out, I have a tall glass of Dunning-Kruger to toast in your honor. I want football as much as the rest of you and would be thrilled if it goes the best possible way.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:58 am
Geez what a nation of cowards we’ve become. You guys feel free to cower in your homes waiting for a vacine that may never come, the rest of us will get back to work and to sporting events.
May 5th, 2020 at 11:58 am
Joe…I work in a restaurant. As a waiter. ( I take it you went out to eat)
I can’t see how I’m going to social distance and wait tables. Perhaps throw the plates at them from a distance after I already touched them gloves or not.
Anyways. I think my boss only needs 25% of his staff. Which may or may not be me. I think I’m up the totem poll enough that I’m part of it. I don’t expect to make much money early on.
I’m kind of 50/50 on going back. I’m bored as hell. It’s been over a month. I didn’t get my stimulus check yet, so I’d like to make a little money. On the other hand I don’t want to bring this virus(should I get it) home to my family either.
Go Bucs!!
May 5th, 2020 at 11:59 am
I don’t get how empty stadiums is bad optics. Especially for NFL films. We’re in the middle of living history as we speak. Those empty stadiums could give NFL films free fodder for decades similar to Rosie the Riveter.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:00 pm
Sheep. Yes you. The “virus” has been waaaaay overblown especially as it relates to deaths, etc…Biggest scam hoisted on the U.S. economy (ever).
May 5th, 2020 at 12:02 pm
Sc – more times than not, your health is under your own control. How you look and feel when you’re 40 for example is a product of your own decisions. If one drinks coke, eats McDonald’s Everyday and never lifts weights/exercises, rest assured that looking like crap will be the least of ones problems. Metabolic health is directly attributable to how you age, how you fight off free radicals and diseases. Most cases of heart disease and diabetes is a reflection of ones own doing. Furthermore, even your natural testosterone production only declines when you’re not doing anything to keep it elevated, such as heavy compound movements. In any event, when you are unhealthy – you are putting your future at the hands of pharma. Now a lot of these people end up becoming subservient to government and needing to stay home until there’s a vaccine. “Health is your wealth.”
May 5th, 2020 at 12:05 pm
For those waiting for a vaccine, good luck. Why do you think there’s going to be a vaccine? We don’t have vaccines for other viral sicknesses. We don’t have a vaccine for HIV. We don’t have a vaccine for herpes. We don’t have a vaccine for Hantavirus. Vaccines for Flu, pneumonia, malaria, shingles are at best inefficient and ineffective. Be safe, be smart and most importantly, let’s all move forward with our lives! Go Bucs!!
May 5th, 2020 at 12:05 pm
Idiots like Gofortheface are the real problem. Their idiot leader has convinced them everything is a conspiracy. Listen to the doctors and please never listen to the guy spouting off that has a Trump flag waving in the back of his pickup.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:07 pm
Tom
Agree. Too many watching the news too much. I’ve worked every day since it started. If you have a weak immune system or condition stay home. Otherwise live a little. Its the flu with no vaccine. Ive never taken a flu vaccine either. Well i did once and got the flu. Go Bucs
May 5th, 2020 at 12:07 pm
Thank you to all you health adviser and financial adviser. With out you posting here I wouldn’t feel secure and confident about decisions I have to make.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:09 pm
Goforthe face of the things you listed only diabetes – type 2, not 1 – is under your control as is some CV disease. Asthma, weird immunodeficiencies, type 1 diabetes are things you are born with, not bad decisions.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:09 pm
Adrnagy…lol you just made me laugh.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:10 pm
I’VE GOT THE ANSWER!
Keep every other seat is empty. Masks required. Fans can bring a blow up doll in fan gear to sit next to. Pipe in cheering over the PA. Full stadium with limited risk.
The Bucs should have been doing this for years!
May 5th, 2020 at 12:12 pm
If the NFL refuses to play without fans in the stands then there won’t be any football in the fall. Especially if widespread national testing doesn’t occur–and the president has yet to come up with any plan that supports that.
The projected death toll numbers have significantly risen due to the premature relaxing of social distancing and shutdowns. Add this to the demonstrable fact that the death toll numbers are being under-reported as multiple states, like AL, refuse to count some of those who die and test POSITIVE. And spare me the conspiracy that #s are being inflated–if you have cancer and then get shot it’s still the bullet that killed you. They used the same tactics to minimize death totals during the early stages of the AIDS crisis. If the virus attacks those with pre-existing conditions and escalates them to the point of death–it’s still the virus, not the pre-existing condition that caused it.
Point is–with death tolls expected to rise significantly, and no national testing plan in place–there’s no way fans are filling those stadiums this fall.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:18 pm
You really believe the NFL is going to let $5 billion float away?
May 5th, 2020 at 12:19 pm
1987:
Think of it like this: If the Hooters chicks can work you should be OK.
“Throw plates” LOL!
May 5th, 2020 at 12:21 pm
@ Goforthe face
No most cases of diabetes, heart disease, asthma are due to genetics. That’s why doctors ask you to fill out family histories when you see them. Environmental issues are important but I know people who have never smoked a day in their lives who die of lung cancer.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:22 pm
lol okay thanks.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:23 pm
Bucnjim5656 Says:
May 5th, 2020 at 11:20 am
The NFL already knows the social distancing will end in June. When the final numbers come out later this summer it will show the actual death rate @ .005%. So basically you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than dying from Corvid.
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So 60K+ people have been lucky enough to be struck by lightning?
The pure idiocy of people is extraordinary.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:30 pm
Lightning Victims. Lightning kills an average of 49 people each year in the United States and hundreds more are injured.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:33 pm
If you are waiting on a vaccine then you are one of the sheep. Governments love good citizens like you who just mindlessly obey and do what you are told. I will not be getting vaccinated no matter what. I dont get a flu vaccine either. Who knows what will be in that shot. I will happily go to a sold out stadium in a few months from now. In order to see Tom Brady in a Bucs Jersey I would sit on someone’s lap. Not worried.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:34 pm
I don’t listen to the far right or left. If you passed eighth grade math you can do the research for yourself. There is also great information coming out of Italy who was by far infected the worst per capita. IF you are one of those who might be affected by the virus in an adverse way by all means take appropriate precaution. If you are a healthy individual under the age of 65 or even 70 get out and enjoy life because it is passing you by. If you are a doom and gloomer watch sports from home no one will care either way.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:38 pm
Ok so lightning was a bad example
May 5th, 2020 at 12:47 pm
What a bunch of scared little sheeple. I will gladly join Buccos at sold out games. Make sure to be good little sheeple & do whatever the government or media tells you to do. Next time you grown ass men want to get on here and talk trash about any pro athlete, remember how you acted during this scam virus reaction. From what I am hearing, the next step will be the gov will be telling you all to wear dresses only as the virus doesn’t like tight fitting or men’s clothes.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:54 pm
1. Deaths are not confined to the elderly and infirm.
2. Large gatherings will cause explosions of infections and death.
3. This is not like the flu.
4. If you dismiss this, you are a selfish jerk.
5. If this were only about your individual health, we’d say knock yourself out, but…
6. Your infection, even without symptoms, puts others at risk.
7. Turn of FauxNooz
Stop getting your information from blind-a$$ DonTheCon cult news.
May 5th, 2020 at 12:55 pm
buc15 …sheeple in 180 countries?
May 5th, 2020 at 1:03 pm
I couldn’t find any overpriced hot dogs at the den of depression, just crazy overpriced “specialty” food.
May 5th, 2020 at 1:06 pm
If you are elderly or have underlying conditions you would be advised to stay away from large crowds. The rest of us need to adapt without destroying our country.
I have bad news for those that are wanting to stay inside until their is a vaccine. The common cold is a coronavirus and they have been waiting to find a cure for it for over 100 years and they still have not found it yet.
Take some vitamin D supplements because if you shelter in place waiting on a vaccine you may be waiting a long time!
May 5th, 2020 at 1:07 pm
It feels like we live in a country full of people that don’t know you can be concerned about the virus AND the government tyranny at the same time. That you can think the virus is a big deal but not nearly as big as we are being told it is. That we can loosen the social distancing without opening the flood gates. That the economy has be completely closed or completely open.
It’s like when driving a car. You can either be fearless and not wear a seatbelt and drive 120, be full of fear, use HANS devices and drive 20 or be rational and just put on a seatbelt and go the speed limit. I pick wearing a seatbelt and driving the speed limit.
May 5th, 2020 at 1:10 pm
Itz going to be open and full stadiums only. The risk of contacting a virus from an open air stadium in 90 degree heat is way less than everyone going into their local Publix.
If you personally aren’t willing to take the risk then don’t go to the games. But people die everyday from alcohol or car accidents. We don’t hear the politicians and media saying not one more death can come from alcohol or cars. Nobody is restricting who can drive cars or changing the speed limit to max 30 mph for every road.
Life has risks accept it and move on. Waiting for a vaccine is just ignorant. There are plenty of viruses that will never find a vaccine for and this could be one of them.
May 5th, 2020 at 1:10 pm
I blame China……Now let’s all head over to Walmart and but some Bucs gear for the game!!!
May 5th, 2020 at 1:11 pm
Coronavirus Oath of Allegiance:
I will sacrifice the following in obeyance to the All Knowing Fear of Covid 19:
I will forego my Constitutional Bill of Rights, including the Right to peaceably assemble and right to worship in a house of worship
I will never attend a sporting event, concert, theater performance, school assembly, Fair, Merchandise Show or any public event because my Fear of Covid 19 is All Knowing and All Powerful
I will passively accept All Government directives to submit to Fear of Covid19 proclamations.
I will submissively allow my children to be denied assembly in a public or private school, and be denied participation in sports and cultural events out of Fear of the almighty Covid 19.
What a F’ing joke.
May 5th, 2020 at 1:38 pm
I saw a dog wearing a dust mask today hahahaba
May 5th, 2020 at 1:54 pm
Why do people say listen to the drs
They have been wrong the entire time
Fauci said this wasnt a problem early on. Had no problem with people going on a cruise . Dont need a mask and then wear a mask. Like flu. Not like flu
Fauci is buddies with tedros the leader of the WHO and that guy is not even an MD doctor . The guy that covered for China.
The cdc just corrected the death count back to Around 38000 as of yesterday . Now again they are behind with getting the totals correct but its not 70000 like is being posted.
This is serious. No question. Older / pre existing conditions need to stay home
But This is all political. Look at fauci history with aids / swine flu/ sars
Guy was wrong all the time. Looks who he supports and his wife donates to and that tells the story.
With that said . I am cool with watching games from home
As long as they have the games
May 5th, 2020 at 2:39 pm
Wow, Bird… Not only are your facts wrong, but you’re dumber than a bag of hammers… And the rest of you thinking this is about government tyranny and your constitutional rights… Jeezus, get over yourselves. 70,000 people have died in this country in less than 2 months… And that is WITH social distancing measures. What do you think it would be without that? Selfish effing people and this is why we have DonTheCon dropping magadumps all over the place… [smfh] You people have really drunk the maga-koolaid.
May 5th, 2020 at 3:00 pm
A lot of morons on here, but good see to what kind of idiocy they are thinking since all my friends seem to have a clue. Morons, please go on not trusting doctors on matters of health and believing everything is some giant conspiracy against you. You’re definitely much better off listening to the opinions of politicians and political commentators. They aren’t bias at all and always have your best interest in mind. Oh, and Dr. Phil too, because he’s the only one accurately reporting the swimming pool deaths sweeping the nation…
With a very quick google search, you can find the actual number of deaths and infections. 5.8% of Americans who get infected with Covid die. Until this becomes significantly better controlled and managed, there won’t be any large public gatherings allowed in every state.
May 5th, 2020 at 3:37 pm
Sirclicksalot-
I believe the Doctors have everyone’s best interest at heart, and I also trust people to be able to make decisions regarding their individual lives, not government.
Now many want to say that someone is a risk to everyone else by not sheltering in place and I say to that- Everyone is free to hide under their bed for as long as they individually want to.
May 5th, 2020 at 3:49 pm
Where to start?
5656…When combining trump, DeSantos and gibberish in the same paragraph you might accidentally make sense.
GoFace…That Alex Jones (was he the source?) conspiracy about micro-chipping the world (sure makes sense to me) is a little old. You could surely make up a better one.
Jimmy… Black dudes have shown to be more susceptible to the virus than whites. Has nothing to do with disobeying an “order” from NFL.
JOE…NFL can’t give up $5B! Have you noticed the govt. just gave up 2-3$T (as in Trillian) because of the virus. That’s approved by Moscow Mitch and your President as well as the horrible, devil-inspired Nancy Pelosi. No big thing this virus- -right!
Let’s face facts. 1). We have the most serious virus outbreak since 1918. 2.) We have a population that is more divided politically since the Civil War. 3.) We have a president that has tied his re-election to the economy. IT HAS TO GET BETTER or he won’t get to 2021. Do you think his pronouncements regarding vaccine, anticipated opening the economy are not colored by these facts? Really? Reluctantly, he has moved from, “It will disappear someday like magic”, to “we will have a vaccine by end of the year.” Some day historians will review these times and wonder how so many people bought the Faux News Kool-Aid. If you think Tom Brady will be passing to Gronk in Mid-Sept. you are simply delusional.
May 5th, 2020 at 3:52 pm
1.3 million people die annually worldwide from automobile accident.
Let’s ridicule everyone that gets in a vehicle.
Global Car Accident Statistics. Every year, roughly 1.3 million people die in car accidents worldwide – an average of 3,287 deaths per day. Young adults aged 15-44 account for more than half of all road traffic deaths. Aug 28 2019
Reference: safer-america.com/car-accident-statistics/
May 5th, 2020 at 3:54 pm
Being willing to get yourself sick is one thing… If you’re too selfish to observe health guidelines, and you get sick, are you willing to refuse any government subsidized medical care?
But, your selfishness and unwillingness to socially distance may (will) result in others getting sick and potentially dying. Let that one marinate a little before you blabber about your GD constitutional rights and government tyranny.
The NFL should not be putting people in stands until there is a vaccine or herd immunity has been achieved.
70,000 have died in less than 2 months. The only way to make sure another 70K don’t die in the next 2 is to follow the guidelines.
Turn off state TV and listen to what the doctors and public health experts are saying. Don’t be a d*ck.
May 5th, 2020 at 3:56 pm
Permanent_dummy
What makes you think you’re not the selfish one? No one is trying to force you out from under your bed but you’re trying to dictate what other people do. You’re the selfish one. Also. If social distancing works and everyone else is wrong you can just stay under your bed where it’s safe while the rest of us work to feed you.
May 5th, 2020 at 3:59 pm
Governor of Jersey, “I’m not thinking about the bill of rights”
Permanent_dummy: That sounds like my kind of ruler. May I have the firm bed in the gulags please?
May 5th, 2020 at 4:00 pm
It don’t get any dumber than the clodhopper. Still living under a rock.
May 5th, 2020 at 4:01 pm
Alan, really? You trust everyone to make good decisions? You do realize we have people eating tide pods, injecting bleach, and licking produce at the supermarket? You may be capable of rational decision-making for your health but not everyone is. That’s why we need leadership and regulation on these issues. And it’s a fact that not following shelter in place orders puts others at risk. This is not some moral or emotional decision; it’s just plain facts that when you interact with other people right now, you can transmit this virus. We definitely need to reopen the economy and general society, but that doesn’t mean we should ignore this threat. We just need to change our behavior and how we interact based on medical advice. There may ultimately be some way to attend games while significantly reducing the risk of transmission, but I doubt it will be figured out by this Fall.
May 5th, 2020 at 4:06 pm
Interesting Facts Below:
2017 causes of death worldwide
Cardiovascular 17.8 Million
Cancer 9.6 Million
Respiratory disease 3.9 Million
Lower respiratory infection 2.6 Million
Dementia 2.5 Million
Digestive Diseases 1.6 Million
other notable causes of death
Auto Accidents 1.2 Million
AIDS 954 Thousand
Homicide 405 Thousand
Starvation (nutrition deficiencies) 270 Thousand
Malnutrition (lack of protein) 232 Thousand
May 5th, 2020 at 4:09 pm
All these new names again? Same people different identities calling people out with different opinions. I have no problem with 1987 calling me out he has been on this site for a long time. I guess some of you feel the governor is crazy right? For reopening beaches and God forbid restaurants? The Horror!
May 5th, 2020 at 4:18 pm
Just in NYC, the governor estimates that 3 million people have had the virus. The lock down was only meant to slow it down not eliminate it. They will eventually come up with a similar type of shot to the flu shot. It won’t eliminate the chances of getting it but it will lower the chance.
May 5th, 2020 at 4:19 pm
You can quote any other death statistic you like.
Guess what… We try and prevent all of those things too… and most of those ones being mentioned by the geniuses above aren’t communicable diseases.
Do you think people would drive less if one out of every trip in a car resulted in death?… Yeah, let that one marinate a little. I think the roads would be a lot emptier.
Giving a sh** about humans means trying to prevent suffering and death where we have the opportunity… (Is anyone going to argue that?) … And that’s what the guidelines of social distancing are for… Read a book, get a clue, pay attention, and try giving a crap about other people for a second while you’re cleaning your guns and spewing your freedumb nonsense.
May 5th, 2020 at 4:25 pm
We will all get it and I’ve already had it myself. 99.5% of you will experience fever with a slight cough, maybe a runny nose or loss of appetite while being a little nauseous.
May 5th, 2020 at 4:45 pm
C’mon people stop your bickering and get out there and do your part. Spread this virus far and wide. Kill as many as you can and sort it out in the end you selfless humanitarians and protectors of innocent life. You Neanderthals.
May 5th, 2020 at 4:48 pm
If your afraid , stay home, Im going to the game. Cant hide forever unless that is what you want to do.
May 5th, 2020 at 5:02 pm
It is already out there that the official forms hospitals complete at the time of death is that IF the patient had coronavirus it must be listed first, and then any other condition must be listed second. It is not a very accurate ( or ethical) way to report deaths. Additionally, there was a study released, and on April 24th 2020 stated that based on antibody testing 2.7 million Americans had the virus in NYC alone. If we see a similar pattern across the US it will drive the mortality rate down to one that is very close (.03-.05) to the flu (.01). Don’t get me started on flu deaths because they are not reported on properly either. It sucks when you have to know that you are being fed partial truths or false narratives that serve a political purpose in order to be able to find real answers. I encourage people to stay a way from mainstream media and bureaucratic organizations (WHO & CDC) read the actual science. If you have a differing opinion please present facts.
May 5th, 2020 at 5:05 pm
John, what game? Name the announced by the NFL date of first pre-season. Listening at crickets….
May 5th, 2020 at 5:07 pm
Please stop signing in with different names it’s really annoying. Support your argument hopefully without calling people names and move on.
May 5th, 2020 at 5:11 pm
You seem very angry:
permanent_moderation_doghouse
I am confident nobody posting on JoeBucsFan wishes any harm to others. However, there are real world consequences that are occurring because of the shutdown.
From the extremely liberal NY Times(see link to story below) even they recognize the horrors of the economic consequences the Shut Down is causing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/world/africa/coronavirus-hunger-crisis.html
‘The world has never faced a hunger emergency like this, experts say. It could double the number of people facing acute hunger to 265 million by the end of this year.’
I am not suggesting you do not care about mass starvation, but the reality is the world could loose over 100 million people from starvation as a result of the global economic shutdown. Prudent economic steps need to take place and yes that includes people going to NFL games.
May 5th, 2020 at 5:11 pm
Sirclicksalot-
“it’s just plain facts that when you interact with other people right now, you can transmit this virus. “
You are correct , sir, which is why shutdowns will never work- it’s just “wishing” for a vaccine that works or “hoping” the virus magically goes away.
There’s no such thing as “safe space”. What everyone can do is follow guidelines, work on their personal immune system by following healthy habits and stay aware of what you touch with your hands and keep them clean.
Over time, the virus will work its way through the population- that’s reality- and fearing the reality isn’t going to change it.
The elderly and ones with health Issues need to take extra precautions.
You only live once, man- don’t live it in fear.
May 5th, 2020 at 5:12 pm
I must admit some satisfaction. I have been posting my opinion for several weeks and this is the first thread where a many back and forth opinions are expressed. Trying to ignore the obvious idiots, I am waiting for someone to answer this simple question:
Without a vaccine how will you keep a ~50 man squad and about the same number support staff free from the virus for the length of the football season?
If your answer is, “Tell ’em to suck it up!” then you can go now to Room B. The adults in the room need to talk.
May 5th, 2020 at 5:21 pm
I’m on the fence on this. Go or no go. I’m not concerned for myself, I just wouldn’t want to be a carrier of the sickness which someone else may not be able to survive. I’m not at all interested in what % deaths or how it compares to a seasonal flu, because I’m more concerned about my immediate radius of family and friends. There are people dieing from this. The fact that it may not have happened to people we directly know shouldn’t be reason to not take it seriously. But, with that being said, I believe that life needs to move forward in a controlled fashion. The only problem with that is nobody is going to follow any guidelines once things open up. NOBODY. Unless establishments enforce it. But, that’s not possible in public places. If you’re uncomfortable, then don’t go to public places but you can support your local businesses as long as they are following some guidelines. It’s really a personal preference.
Regarding not having a vaccine for other viruses. Someone mentioned herpes. There are 3 vaccines that are effective, but the FDA takes their sweet ash time approving vaccines from a legal standpoint and from a scientific standpoint (proving the efficacy). Even HIV is largely manageable now. Maybe this is a wake up call that if vaccines can be fast-tracked to approval, then they must.
When is the last time we have seen a seasonal flu take over the world at once? Spanish Flu? Definitely not the seasonal flu, since different countries experience different seasons.
I totally understand how these measures to stay home affects everyone differently, that’s why it is very hard to make sweeping guides for all. But, I think the medical community is doing the best they can with the situation at hand. I have family members in the medical field, and they are exposing themselves to care for everyone who comes in. There’s no guarantee this virus won’t take the lives of medical frontline workers, it can and it has. So, it’s just a really difficult situation to definitively take either side. Best scenario is to be cautiously optimistic with reopening.
Lastly, this is not the time to be politicizing, hating on, bickering, and finding fault based on ideology. People on both sides are equally affected.
May 5th, 2020 at 5:24 pm
Ocala,
Thank you for your articulate response to this heated issue. I did a poor job of trying to make my point but this really makes perfect sense. Plus the fact that you are a long time Joebucsfan poster. Maybe Defenserules will follow up with another level headed response. Thanks again!
May 5th, 2020 at 5:26 pm
Bird
I am a physician. I give advice to my patients. They can decline my treatment recommendations if they want to.
In serious medical situations when they decide not to follow what I recommend things often don’t turn out well for them.
Dr Fauci Is a very smart, good guy. With AIDS and Coronavirus no one knew what was going on because we had not seen them before and therefore did not know what to do. They had to learn on the fly – and we still are. If you remember AIDS was initially called GRID – Gay Related Infectious Disease because that was all we new.
May 5th, 2020 at 5:28 pm
Bucsfaninoregon-
To answer your question- you probably can’t prevent All players and staff from getting the virus, so teams and NFL will adapt to the situation as it arises.
My question to you is , who has the divine authority to tell people, whether they be athletes or anyone else, that they may not pursue their dreams?
May 5th, 2020 at 5:29 pm
As a season ticket holder with 4 seats in an area of season ticket holders how can we have social distancing and go to the games?
I am over 65 and have other higher risk conditions. Will I go 😷😳🙏🏻?
May 5th, 2020 at 5:39 pm
The Coroner, I have some anecdotal evidence for you. It appears that it all depends on your overall health. My step-mom is a trauma nurse in NJ that saw many, many critical patients with corona. She told
me that she saw more 70 years olds recover ( off the ventilators) that were relatively healthy than 40-50 years old who had diabetes or hypertension. She and the nurses on her floor believed that those who would lived and died was mainly based on the quality of their health before getting the virus. That’s one opinion from a from a hospital worker on the frontline that has seen hundreds of patients. I hope it’s helpful.
May 5th, 2020 at 5:50 pm
Scorching September Sun is correct. But if the schedule leaks are to be believed, there’s not a 1pm home game until October 4th vs New Orleans
May 5th, 2020 at 5:53 pm
Mitch
I agree. Kudos
May 5th, 2020 at 5:54 pm
@ Mitch:
Amen brother
May 5th, 2020 at 5:56 pm
I just got back from the beach.
Everyone social distanced.
Don’t know why they were ever closed in the first place now.
BucNJim….I wasn’t calling you out. I was agreeing with you.
May 5th, 2020 at 6:13 pm
“permanent_moderation_doghouse Says:
May 5th, 2020 at 4:00 pm
It don’t get any dumber than the clodhopper. Still living under a rock”
That’s not true at all. Remember when people were being paid to protest at SEATAC and you went there for free? That was pretty dumb. You could’ve gotten your lunch paid
May 5th, 2020 at 6:19 pm
Joebucsfan news update!
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May 5th, 2020 at 6:33 pm
You might want to remember that not every team plays in scorching summer sun… So even if that (as yet unproven) argument was valid, it would be valid for only the southeast and pretty much nowhere else.
As to economic consequences, the NFL is not an essential part of our economy. If games could be played with spectators at 6′ distance or more, and the players could practice, play, and spend time in classrooms and locker rooms at safe distance, then there could be an NFL season. But, none of that is possible.
The players may be willing to play, with all the money they make, and take some risks with possible exposure… And if so, play the season with no spectators… TV revenue drives the league anyway… And if it worked out that way, you can be sure the NFL and TV networks would find ways to make more money by broadcasting more games… Monday night and Thursday night doubleheaders? Saturday evening games? If the players want to play, the NFL will find a way to make money even without fans in the stands.
Keep your distance, wash your hands, and wear a mask when out in closed environments like grocery stores.
May 5th, 2020 at 7:15 pm
Two points:
1. I’m a season ticket holder and have already been charged for 2020 tickets. Will I get a refund?
2. For those interested, go to floridadisaster.org to view the latest stats on infections and deaths related to the virus. A few excerpts:
a. There have been 1,471 deaths attributed to the virus. 83% are with persons 65 and older. Of the total number of deaths, 534 are with Florida residents and staff of long-term care facilities.
b. For people 24 and younger, zero deaths.
c. 466,000 persons have been tested; 37 thousand were positive, 428 thousand were negative.
d. Most RJ attendees are local. There have been 747 persons from Pinellas testing positive and 1,247 from Hillsborough testing positive. A fairly low number considering the size of both counties.
e. Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties are still under lockdown. Those 3 counties account for 60% of infections statewide. There is a real risk in allowing fans at Dolphins games.
May 5th, 2020 at 8:12 pm
I will be there no matter what, just waiting on my brady jersey.
May 5th, 2020 at 8:19 pm
ClodHopper Says:
May 5th, 2020 at 6:13 pm
I have no idea what you’re talking about because you make no sense. Clearly you have no idea what you’re talking about either. And paid protesters? What the F are you talking about? There’s no such thing as paid protesters. That’s another insane right wing trope that has no evidence. You’re exposing yourself as a complete moron.
And I still haven’t figured out what protests at SEATAC have to do with anything in this discussion. You’re a weird dude.
May 5th, 2020 at 8:41 pm
Bucnjim5656, your inability to recognize the seriousness of the situation is impressive. And your .005% number reeks of false news spread through Facebook and Twitter.
The actual death percentage is simple math. What percentage of the 3.66 million confirmed cases resulted in death?
A lot more than .005%
FYI, number of deaths is currently 275,000 worldwide.
May 5th, 2020 at 8:44 pm
Seminole Bill, those numbers are for florida state.
May 5th, 2020 at 8:49 pm
Also, anyone claiming to have had it in January is lying. There is no way to confirm that was not the Flu that was going around then. I also had the Flu in January, but there is no confirmation that it was Covid-19.
This is not the ‘MeToo’ movement!
May 5th, 2020 at 8:52 pm
275,000 is what percentage of 3,660,000?
7.51%
A lot different from that number of .005% you keep spouting.
May 5th, 2020 at 9:26 pm
There will be games. There will not be fans though, sadly.
And LOFL at the guy who keeps claiming “0.005%”
How can people be so intentionally uninformed?
May 5th, 2020 at 11:28 pm
Alan>>>>How are they going adapt? That’s the question! That’s what I asked! You sound like our President. Saying something is EZ but doing it is another. How do you keep multiple squads quarantined for 5 months? Else it’s like a mini-meat factory.
And, I’m not telling anyone to do anything…except maybe think.
May 6th, 2020 at 7:43 am
You really think that there have only been 3.6 million cases of the virus? The Gov. Of NY thinks there are more than that just in NYC his words not mine. Do you know what the hospitals tell people that don’t have serious respiratory problems? Go Home! So the common sense answer is many more millions have had it most didn’t even know it. As far as the positive test you are correct they were submitted late January came back 6 weeks later as positive.
May 6th, 2020 at 9:23 am
Mitch
Thank you.
May 6th, 2020 at 10:06 am
All you doom and gloomers and people who want to keep us under lock down listen.. if you got a diagnoses of a disease and they told you that you had a 99.8 percent chance of surviving it…. Would you even worry about it?? It’s all in the narrative people!!! You are 100 times more likely to die from everyday things!!! … And if you’ve actually been paying attention you would know they have fudged the numbers so badly by counting EVERYTHING as covid death that it’s probably even a lower death rate!!! The shut down from here out is all about trying to cover their butts because they were so wrong and also about control!! …. By the way how can ANYONE watch that video on YouTube of Biden touching little girls inappropriately and actually vote for that guy!!! That sick p.o.s. and all those involved with Epstein should be jailed then shot!! Epstein suuuure does bring a whole new light to Pizza gate don’t it!!! Pay close attention people and don’t get all your news from CNN, MSNBC and all those other “operation mockingbird” news outlets!!!
May 6th, 2020 at 11:22 am
Sorryjackchuckiesback… you’re obviously completely misinformed. The survival rate is off by a wild amount. Right now, the death rate in the United States according to Johns Hopkins is running close to 6%… If you knew that 6 out of every 100 trips out on the road would result in someone dying, do you think the roads might be close to empty?
You’ve apparently been getting your information from conspiracy promoting sources like FauxNooz or worse.
How does Epstein and pizzagate enter this? By the way, it’s your boy Trump that was buddies with Epstein… and pizza gate was a completely made up pile of horse manure.
THe level of stupidity and misinformation from some of you people is remarkable.
May 6th, 2020 at 12:14 pm
Wow man if that ain’t the coffee calling the kettle black!! I’m not going to call you names or scream obscenities at you like all libs like you do… This is a quote taken directly from the CDC I am copying and pasting
Coronavirus has a death rate that varies somewhat based on demographics. The China CDC Weekly reported the results of a major epidemiological study into this question. That study analyzed 72,314 patient records, including some that were suspected cases. It determined that coronavirus had an “overall case fatality rate of 2.3%.” The study was called Vital Surveillances: The Epidemiological Characteristics of an Outbreak of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Diseases (COVID-19) and it was conducted by the Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia Emergency Response Epidemiology Team.
Now that is testing people who were suspected to have it!! What about all the people who are not being tested that stayed home with it or didn’t show any signs at all… How about the fact that flu deaths dropped off DRAMATICALLY after covid entered!! Gee I wonder why? Could it be they’re counting EVERYTHING as covid related!! I personally know a family who’s father died of a heart attack and because he tested positive for covid that’s what they marked it!! He was showing no symptoms at all and was happy and going strong… I do not listen to Fox news I think they are just controlled opposition!! After all the lies from mainstream media idk how anyone can trust them.. no I’m reading, I’m studying it and researching it and from personal experience I know they are fudging the numbers… Do you really trust your life and way of living in the honesty of CNN … If so you are a fool!! They are silencing the doctors that report anything but doom and gloom! Doesn’t it bother you that Google and YouTube erased those doctors in California who actually know waaaaaay more than you do??? Or did you even know it happened?? Or do you just trust Daddy government to tell you what to do and what to think??
May 6th, 2020 at 12:22 pm
And if pizza gate was horse manure then all you have to do is explain to me the code words and all the sick pictures on that guys sight and all the sick art in podesta’s house!! One of the phrases was would I be better playing Domino’s on cheese or pasta… Who talks like that?? It’s OBVIOUSLY code and the FBI themselves released the code words and stuff those sick people use!! It WAS true and Epstein was involved too!!! And I don’t care about Trump it any of them I care about truth!! I will never get that from government sources including Trump!!! It’s right under your nose and because CNN told you it was fake you bought it!! Nobody ever explained the code words!!! Explain the codes dude?? If you can’t you have no business commenting on it because you didn’t investigate it!! You watched the news and like a good little sheep you believed it