“You Can Get That Out Of Your Head”
April 17th, 2020
Orders for America.
Anyone who thinks new Bucs quarterback Tom Brady is changing, those folks are wrongheaded.
That’s the word from Brandon Marshall. The former standout wide receiver for various teams hopped on the hollerfest known as “First Take” to cross swords with Screamin’ Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman.
The Bucs and Tom Brady came up in conversation. Marshall is adamant if anyone will be adjusting in this new marriage between Bucco Bruce Arians and Brady, it will be Arians.
“You are not bringing in a 42-year old Tom Brady and asking him to run another offense,” Marshall said. “Tom Brady is coming in to run the same offense that he has been running for 20 years.
“So you can get that out of your head. Everybody in America can get that out of their head.”
Well, there is evidence Marshall may have to be enlightened.
How is it that Brady is too old to adjust but not a 68-year old coach that has already demonstrated he’s not keen on changing things?
Evidence? Last year when the Bucs lost Mike Evans and Chris Godwin to injuries, Arians had stud tight ends, perhaps the best one-two punch of tight ends in the NFL, Cam Brate and O.J. Howard, to fill the gaps left by Evans and Godwin. Even Brate himself told Joe he expected himself and Howard to be worked into the offense more.
But did Arians, who arrived to town with a somewhat unfair rap for not using tight ends? Did he quiet those who were nipping at his heels and get Brate and Howard more involved in the passing game with two big targets out for the year? Nope.
Throughout the season Arians displayed an affinity for using Howard as a blocker rather than a pass-catcher.
Hey, Arians just may change his ways and the offense. That may have been hashed out when Brady was deciding who to play for this season. Time will only tell.
There is much more evidence that it will be Brady who must adjust, not Arians.
You can see the full subject matter discussed in the BSPN video below.
April 17th, 2020 at 5:37 am
Inside the NFL would be so much better without Marshall. I’m a UCF fan, and I still can’t stand the guy. I think they keep him on the show for his stupid takes.
April 17th, 2020 at 6:04 am
I dont think Arians is going to change thay much. He has had success with this system with numerous other great QBs. Why change it when he has a couple years left? Lol.
They will adopt plays from NE that Brady liked, but i think the overall system stays the same.
April 17th, 2020 at 6:18 am
I think there will be some adjusting on both sides…….as for the use of TEs…..perhaps if we improve our Oline they won’t be needed to block as much…
If not, OJ Howard is a luxury we can’ afford…..but I would bet that Brady would want to keep him….
April 17th, 2020 at 7:14 am
Brady came here to change the culture of last place in the NFC South, not blend into it.
April 17th, 2020 at 7:42 am
These takes seem to get dumber and dumber. The whole point in bringing in a veteran QB is that there’s not much he hasn’t seen. It’s not “who’s playbook are they going to use?” It’s BA’s playbook and Tom’s execution.
Tom, as a vet, will be able to read the defense and identify open targets. BA, as a coach, will identify plays that suit Tom and the situation best.
They’re not performing brain surgery!
April 17th, 2020 at 7:53 am
Yah. A lot of qbs don’t want to throw the ball downfield (like arians system)
😂
They like to dink and dunk
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Brady seemed pretty happy to throw the ball downfield to randy moss back in the day. Moss caught 23 tds that year
So brady can only chuck it 60 yards instead of 70 now. Big deal. The dude is accurate (remember those were intentional throw aways last year) and doesnt turn the ball over
Bradys current Int over /under in vegas is 10.5
If the former qb you referenced above had throw 10 or 11 ints last year…dont you think they would have been in playoffs?
April 17th, 2020 at 7:59 am
The fact that BA couldn’t adjust to having 2 tight ends suggests that TB will need to the flexible one!
April 17th, 2020 at 8:12 am
I think that the truth lies someplace in the middle (as is normally the case). Tom Brady does some things extremely well (such as use his RBs & TEs in the passing game?), and Bruce Arians & Byron Leftwich will work hard to accommodate that in the Bucs’ attack schemes. For his part, Brady is probably looking forward to being somewhat more aggressive than he was in the Patriots attack.
I don’t expect that Brady will throw for 5,000 yards this season, but I do expect that we’ll see a LOT fewer giveaways by the Bucs’ offense. I also expect that our TOP will increase by probably 1-2 minutes, due largely to fewer turnovers.
Brady quarterbacked the Patriots full time from 2001-2019 (19 years). From 2001-2009 (9 yrs) the Pats scored an average of 414 points per season (25.9 PPG). From 2010-2019 (10 years) the Pats scored an average of 472 points per season (29.5 PPG). Lots of different receivers, different RBs over those years … Brady was the one constant.
Compare that to our Bucs. During the Winston years (2015-2019) we averaged 377 points per season. During the 5 years prior to that we averaged 316 points per season. So from 2010-2019 (10 years) the Bucs averaged 347 points per season, while the Patriots averaged 472 points per season … a full 125 more points per season (7.8 MORE PPG). In the NFL, that’s huge. Especially when combined with the fact that the Pats defense performed considerably better than ours during this last decade.
Last season the Bucs scored more points than we ever had … 458 points. Over the last DECADE, Tom Brady QB’d the team that AVERAGED 472 points scored per season. I tend to think that BA will find a way to incorporate what the GOAT does best.
April 17th, 2020 at 8:50 am
What everyone seems to continually miss when talking about the Patriots it’s their running game no they don’t have Adrian Peterson or Alvin kamara but they have a consistent running game that consistently puts them in good down and distances and they also avoid big penalties like false stars or holding that puts them in first and 15 or first and 20 repeatedly which allows them to run the ball or throw the ball when they want to so if we can do this we’ll be just fine if not well that could be a different story.
April 17th, 2020 at 8:55 am
When you watch the Patriots what they tend to do both on offense and defense is better than anything I’ve ever seen they frequently play to your weakness. I’ve seen games where they come out and run the ball 25 out of 30 plays and I’ve also seen games where they come out and throw the ball 25 out of 30 plays they simply decipher what you do poorly and attack that all day every day until you stop it. Historically that’s not what Bruce Arian has done. He’s come out and he’s throwing the ball and then he’s throwing the ball and then he’s throwing the ball and he then he runs the ball to keep em honest. That’s not bad It just doesn’t lend itself to time of position defensive games which can be done and he can do, but the question is will he, we’ll find out together.
April 17th, 2020 at 9:05 am
Matt GAY
April 17th, 2020 at 9:10 am
I think they meet in the middle.
April 17th, 2020 at 9:29 am
I have to admit Ndog makes valid points in today’s posts. A solid running game keeps every defense honest. The Bucs MUST improve the running game to succeed.
April 17th, 2020 at 9:54 am
This is the same as saying Tom Brady is too stupid to pick up a new offense. Marshall is a twit.
April 17th, 2020 at 10:43 am
Way too much is being made of this.
1) It’s already been made clear that they will use Arians’ playbook, terminology, etc…
2) Odds are, most of those “Brady” plays are already in Arians’ playbook, in some variation.
3) Arians’ has already said he always collaborates with the QB to accommodate what they like and can execute successfully.
So, there’s no issue with “whose playbook” it is. It’s Arians’ playbook, Leftwich’s playbook, with additions and modifications for Brady. Simple. Uncontroversial.
The only thing that remains to be seen is how the playcalling changes with Brady.
Marshall was just running his mouth because he’s a football talker and they all have to have their “take”… It’s just football talk schtick. It’s dumb.
April 17th, 2020 at 11:00 am
Guy had no idea what he was talking about. It would make a zero sense to change your entire offense for one that only one person would know in a year where training camp time will be limited if they have one at all Brady will learn this offense and incorporate some of the things he likes to do just like every other quarterback who played for Bruce and Bruce already said that very thing so not sure why people are ignoring that. That’s not the show to go on to gain credibility
April 17th, 2020 at 11:12 am
This will no doubt be TB12 offense. BA will have his imput but in the end Brady will have lat say. Saying that I do believe they will both end up on the same page. What happens to puppet Lefty who knows.
April 17th, 2020 at 11:30 am
Soooo… according to Marshall, the entire offensive coaching staff and all offensive players, outside of Brady, will have to learn new offensive terminology – rather than Brady learning new terminology that the entire offensive coaching staff and players already know well.
Yeah – I could see that. (legs on the bottom and motorcycle on top)
April 17th, 2020 at 11:56 am
Ndog with more false narratives. The pats had no more a running gm than the Bucs had last year. Brady Had no 100yd rusher in any gm last year year. Jameis had 1 rojo the last week of the season went over 100yds. What even more crazy is who Brady’s top receivers were each week lol. If it wasn’t Edelman it was a running back never top 100yds receiving. Go on ESPN you can look at weeks 1-17 compare the two teams offensively it’s laughable. But the notion the pats had a dominant run gms are false.
April 17th, 2020 at 12:01 pm
And this run gm defense excuses is so weak. Most teams deal with similar things go check. Better yet Kc won the SB last year. Compare our stats to there’s tell me what you find. We all know what the difference is between the two teams QB play go look.
April 17th, 2020 at 12:44 pm
I’m with a lot of the other folks on here saying it’s gonna be in the middle. Arians already said he’s been staying up late thinking of all the ways he can utilize Brady’s talent. If Brady wanted to run the same offense he would have stayed in NE. I think Brady is just as excited as Arians is because he knows he’s got 2 bad a$$ receivers and a coach that would tell Jameis to keep slinging it…. imagine what he’ll tell Brady. As long as the line holds up you’ll be seeing Brady have one of his best years. One last thing Arians has been saying is his offense is throwing to the guy that’s open. So you’ll see the check downs and dump offs but you won’t see is the 30 picks.
April 17th, 2020 at 1:46 pm
“Marshall is 100% correct
TB12 is immobile. The key to success and SURVIVAL is to get the ball out quick
No QB gets the ball out faster than TB12 nor throws more to RBs
TB12 offense is to throw and complete short passes to move the chains. Throw short 1st and 2nd down and run on 3rd and short to move the chains. The short passing game is an extension of the run game. TB12 completes short passes and take shots deep when the defense starts tightening up to defend the short passing attack
Having TB12 holding the ball is totally nonsense and HE WILL GET INJURED
Where is the football IQ? Kobe has been posting his analysis for over 5 years and still this elementary juvenile comments. Is Kobe Faker partly to blame? I apologize and promise to better teach and preach”
Kobe Faker
April 17th, 2020 at 1:59 pm
Big Ben – “I was excited for [Brady] because I knew who he was going to play for in Bruce Arians. And he’s going to enjoy the heck out of that because he was fun to play for,” Roethlisberger said Thursday on SiriusXM NFL Radio.
“Byron Leftwich, I texted Byron and said, like, ‘Hey, don’t screw it up.’ And he said, ‘All I got to do is get out of the way.’ It’s going to be good for him. I’m excited for all of them.”
All I can say is thank freaking god
April 17th, 2020 at 3:02 pm
First, it wasn’t Arians who decided to male a star out of Perriman, it was Leftwich. He might be a more complete OC this year, Brady will make it so.
Second, RoJo might have a great season. No team is going to stack the line across from Brady and expect it to work. With Brady tossing to Godwin, Evans and company, the safeties will be way back, all of the time. Two linebackers will also be held out of the rush lanes.
The Patriots never worried about a RB because Brady forces the defense to give up three to five yards to almost anyone.
April 17th, 2020 at 5:00 pm
Agree with permanentmod
A major component IMO is that Brady will be fiery and competitive but he’ll finally be out from under the ogre and play for player friendly BA.
In addition Brady may look forward to being more aggressive.
But here is what a fossil I am. In grade school when I watched the NFL and later the AFL the QB’s called their own plays. The legendary Paul Brown initiated more coach control with a three guard rotation. These guys were the “messenger guards, they brought in either Brown’s plays or at minimum his ideas.
Most of the other teams the QB was believed to be the guy with the best view of the field, the most aware of what the opposing defense was trying to do to stop his offense. And so they called the plays on the field, not waiting for anything from the sidelines much less the pressbox.
I’m not sure how I feel now. I think there is merit in letting the QB call the plays in the heat of the battle…on the battlefield…but not every QB could do this. It’s a special talent…Bret Favre and Aaron Rodgers…Drew Brees…Russell Wilson and IMO obviously Mahomes. I just feel he probably has just as much awareness of what is going on out there than guys up in a box. I get they can see the entire field but they don’t see the QB view…what will he see…LB’s or CB’s in the way.
Interesting though experiment…could any of today’s QB’s call their own plays?
StPeteDinasaur
April 17th, 2020 at 8:21 pm
74 Bucs Fan Says:
April 17th, 2020 at 11:30 am
Yeah – I could see that. (legs on the bottom and motorcycle on top)
Best post of the week by far.
April 19th, 2020 at 5:18 pm
I just HOPE that Brady does not clash with Arians and his Yes Man Byron Leftwich.