Why Not The Bucs?
April 14th, 2020
Quarterback chatter.
Yesterday Joe was flipping around the TV dial during a brief break researching Bucs stories when Joe found a big-shot NFL columnist on the Colin Cowturd Show, seen on FS1.
There, hot dog eating contest-protesting, mock draft-scowling, L.L. Bean-wearing, Second Amendment abolitionist, Mike Florio-arguing, parrot-insensitive, chewing-with-his-mouth-open, soup-gulping, California train-romancing, anti-football proliferation, outhouse-admiring, airline-napping, steerage-flying, Yogi Berra-worshiping, urinal picture-taking, video game-playing, Taylor Swift-listening, pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, craft beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-honk, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training, Budweiser-tolerant, baseball scorecard-keeping, pasta-feasting, vomit-dodging scrooge, Kay Adams-following social activist NFL insider Peter King of NBC Sports and Cowturd were discussing Utah State quarterback prospect Jordan Love.
King stated Love is sort of a high-end developmental quarterback and Love going to a team where he would start right away may not be a smart move, despite the high investment.
“As one general manager told me over the weekend, he’s not Pat Mahomes but he is tremendously instinctive, he’s an exciting player and he is one of these guys who is in the right system like with an Andy Reid-type where he would be coached exceedingly well he could turn into a good quarterback. …
“There are a lot of people fascinating by him. Look, the greatest thing for him would be to go to a team with a quarterback in his 30s and you might need a quarterback in two years.”
Well, what about a team with good quarterback coaches who has a quarterback in his 40s and will need a quarterback in two years? Why not the Bucs?
Now Joe can hear people howl that Love would be too high of a pick at No. 14. Perhaps.
On NFL Network yesterday, former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah had Love rated as a late-first round pick at No. 30. NFL Network insider Mike Garafolo, who appeared on the very same segment, said his front office contacts throughout the league seem to agree with Jeremiah’s grade for Love.
So let’s say the Bucs cannot swing a deal to move up and get an offensive tackle. In other words, the ransom is too steep.
Well, who is to say the Bucs cannot swing a deal to then trade down and get Love? Then, with that extra pick (possibly an extra second-round pick), the Bucs could grab both a running back and a wide receiver in the second round? Wide receiver is so deep this year that a guy drafted in the second round would normally have been a first-round pick.
Say after the second day of the draft the Bucs have their quarterback of the future (Love), their starting running back (Clyde Edwards-Helaire) and a No. 3 wide receiver/burner/return man (Jalen Reagor).
Friends, that’s what you call winning the draft.
From NFL Now on @nflnetwork earlier today on Jordan Love’s stock. I’m with @MoveTheSticks on this one. Could be into the latter part of the first round before we hear his name. pic.twitter.com/SzOOdAz1qQ
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) April 13, 2020
April 14th, 2020 at 12:24 am
NO! NO! NO! On your morning coffee roundup a link showed the five biggest gambles in the first round…top 4 all QB’s!!! Including Love.
We took a GAMBLE 5 years ago and what did it bring us. Division within our fan base…a 28-42 LOSING record…and RECORD HISTORIC turnovers!!! Not to mention all the draft capital and millions down the drain!!!
We do NOT need to gamble on a QB this year. We have one. We have a backup.
If we wanted to take a shot at a project after the 3rd round there are plenty of guys to groom. NO franchise QB needs TWO freaking years on the bench. IF they do they weren’t truly franchise Material.
We’ll have a chance next year to GAMBLE once again on a franchise QB. There is absolutely no need to waste it THIS year. If Brady goes down the season is toast anyway unless Gabbert plays as well as he did ONE year…2015. A new rookie QB…Tua..Love none of them will save our bacon!!!
We can take that toss at the dart board with draft capital next year and the guy will STILL have an entire year to get mentored by TB12.
We need absolute bang for the buck in the first three rounds. IF we do that and continue to build a great TEAM…whomever comes in next year will not only have a year to sit and study under the GOAT he will be coming to an excellent team instead of the crappy teams most first round saviors end up.
The future is NOW…and unlike the JW sniffers…I believe the future should ALWAYS be now!!! Build for today and the future will take care of itself if you build a good enough team!!!
April 14th, 2020 at 12:42 am
I lean towards trenches in round 1 (trade back or stay put). CEH in round 2 would be just fine by me. Extra pick for trading back? More trench depth or WR #3.
In BA I Trust!
April 14th, 2020 at 1:41 am
Sport
I’m with you till the WR part. We do not need another target with 4 on the roster already. If we get CEH or Akers they both can catch that’s five targets…if we add Dillon in the 3 or 4th that’s six targets.
I absolutely agree with you about the trenches. Aside from the two RB’s it could be all trenches as far as I’m concerned although we’ll probably want to get a safety in their somewhere.
In addition this year’s draft is loaded with WR. We can always find another Hump late in the draft or perhaps even like Hump…as a UDFA.
April 14th, 2020 at 1:48 am
O Line or D line quality player will be there at 14. Stay put or move back if it makes sense.
April 14th, 2020 at 2:10 am
Waiting to see what Watson can do with some accuracy. I don’t know why any of these people are talking about WR so high. WR Devin Duverney (Texas) in round five is the WR steal of the draft.
April 14th, 2020 at 2:17 am
no defense first three rounds? we have to but i like the pick of QB and RB.
April 14th, 2020 at 2:25 am
Its so funny how I was promoting Love way before we signed Brady…got bashed for it, nobody wanted him….now he’s probably going top 15. The kid has a lot of potential and will probably be very successful at the next level. But now we have Brady and have GOT to protect him and get him a better run game. I’ll pass now.
Bryce Perkins with a 5th or 6th.
April 14th, 2020 at 2:28 am
They are not going to use a pick in the top half of the draft on a QB, point blank, period. Maybe next year, definitely not this year.
April 14th, 2020 at 2:50 am
I remember when chiefs fans raised hell when they took mahomes when Alex Smith was still playing Great football….. Same thing happening with bucs fans right now
April 14th, 2020 at 4:03 am
Sorry Joe, but your scenario that has us trading down for an extra pick then selecting a QB, RB & WR in Rnds 1 & 2 fails to solve our biggest NEED: RIGHT TACKLE. In that scenario we wouldn’t select a RT until Rnd 3 at the earliest … with the expectation that he’d be a STARTER (right now we really don’t have a quality starter at RT).
So your Rnd 1 pick would sit on the bench while Brady gets creamed while trying to throw to your 2 Rnd 2 picks because Bucs failed to address their #1 NEED … protecting Brady from right side attacks. This is the best year that there’s been for Tackles in a long time; let’s not sit on our arses while other teams grab the bounty.
Bucs need to select a Tackle in Rnd 1, followed by a RB in Rnd 2. Rnd 3 would be a good place to grab a DLineman to replace Nassib & Allen (their holes are still there), followed by a WR in Rnd 4. Still would like to see us use our other Rnd 4 pick on a FB/RB monster (let’s call him AJ Dillon for the fun of it).
April 14th, 2020 at 4:53 am
Tom Brady cannot move around he needs structure soooo this is NOT IT CHIEF. Must get BIG TIME OLinemen and outlet receiving back ala tyreek hill type Darren paroles Fanny woodhead etc that’s what you got TB12 for!!! Helloooo McFly!!!!!
Go for Jalen Hurts later in the draft if he is there
Trash Licht will Ruin it
April 14th, 2020 at 5:42 am
@DR, Im actually considering Dillon if he’s there with our second fourth…we still have Auclair though, so i dont know. Dillon is intriguing as a FB and extra blocker/big guy to gain those few yards….could also be used in screen runs when fooling the opposing D. I’m warming up to him.
April 14th, 2020 at 5:54 am
It makes sense to draft Brady’s heir apparent this year so Im with you on that, Joe. I thought Jacob Eason could be that guy but now there are reports about work ethic concerns with him.
At the end of the day, even tho its a smart move, I doubt they will pull the trigger on a QB this year. They are clearly in win now mode so I doubt they will use a premium pick on a QB that wont help them win now.
Id love for them to draft a QB tho. Maybe if Eason falls far enough they can take a gamble on him in the 4th. I also like Anthony Gordon as an option too.
April 14th, 2020 at 6:00 am
I also think I would rather see them take a WR or DT at 45 instead of a RB. Reagor is becoming my new wish.
Rojo had 1000 scrimmage yards on what? 12 touches per game? I dont understand why people believe the Bucs need a new starter. If you drafting a guy to compliment your starter at the least valuable offensive position at 45 overall…. i just dont like that.
OT > DT > WR >> RB
April 14th, 2020 at 6:32 am
@Joey, Rojo is no Clyde, just saying.
April 14th, 2020 at 6:49 am
Not in a Bruce Arians offense. Love is an RPO type QB and would not flourish in a pure pocket passer role. Arians offense requires a Manning, Palmer, Brady type QB. Someone like an Hebert, Eason, or Stanley.
April 14th, 2020 at 6:50 am
or even Morgan
April 14th, 2020 at 6:58 am
That would be losing the draft, we’re one injury on the DL/OL from a disaster. DRAFT THE TRENCHES EARLY, skill players later.
April 14th, 2020 at 7:03 am
We need to take OT at 14 and Clyde at 45, he will boost our attack and help the 3rd down, he’s my best running back in the draft and he’s better than Rojo by miles, we can take a QB in round 4
April 14th, 2020 at 7:05 am
Our need are OT, RB, S, DL WR and QB.
April 14th, 2020 at 7:11 am
As long as it includes clyde
Love , clyde but instead of wr …i go right tackle. A true right tackle like kid from Uconn would be cool with me
Again , if bucs cannot get the tackle they want with 1st pick , then trade down
April 14th, 2020 at 7:13 am
@MadMax
I dont think we really know what Rojo is yet. He showed a lot of improvement last year. Granted he had nowhere to go but up from is rookie year, but still he looked like a totally different player.
All the staff and FO has done is praise their confidence in Rojo to grow and develop for tge past 2 offseasons. If they didnt try to replace him after his god awful rookie season, why replace him after he got 1000 yards from scrimmage? Lol.
Arians has described all offseason that he pretty much wants a RB with receiving ability. Upgrading the 3rd down RB. And a lot of Bucs fans want that to be done with a top 50 pick?? I would puke if thats what happened lol.
Licht still gets blame for picking Sims in the 3rd round and now people want him to pick someone to do what Sims did in the 2nd lol.
If they take a RB in the 2nd then they are wasting a 2nd round pick either way. Maybe even both of them if they use two 2nd round picks in 3 years to form a RB committee…
April 14th, 2020 at 7:13 am
Well, if we wait to select a QB in next year’s draft, we may not be picking until the mid to late 20s. What decent QB will be available then?
April 14th, 2020 at 7:23 am
stpetebucsfan,
Saying we shouldn’t get a quartback this year is short sighted. We have two chances to find a good one to replace Brady when he leaves: this year and next. We have a luxery of having the time to bring in a couple picks and seeing how they do.
I do agree it shouldn’t be our first pick (unless Tau falls to us), but we DO need to 5ake a QB in this draft. I do not think it will be Love, who is a Winston clone.
I think I know who it will be, but I’m saving it for my wishlist that I’m working on again. If I’m right, it will be a later round pick. But I’m not opposed to a 2nd round QB, or even a late first rounder 8f we trade back up.
April 14th, 2020 at 7:33 am
Stpete
As you’ve liked pointing out around this time of year, every pick is a gamble.
So because Jameis didnt work put as planned we should never take another QB? That’s ridiculous.
April 14th, 2020 at 7:34 am
Also, Aaron Rodgers spent 2 freaking years on the Bench…
April 14th, 2020 at 8:45 am
Trade down, take Love, but you better be in front of the Saints, then trade back into the first and try to get Jackson at RT out of USC, ext pick is RB, Cam or A.J. Dillon, if gone, don’t sleep on DJ Dallas as a day 3 pick converted WR to RB, so he has the hands and I am pretty sure he averaged 6.0 y/c with only 150 or so carries, ceiling way higher than Dare. Know he is not a project.
April 14th, 2020 at 9:44 am
Sub an OT for WR (because there is a 2nd tier of potential starters with upside for more), and get yourself a 3rd WR in round 3 or 4, and that’s winning the draft IMO
April 14th, 2020 at 10:53 am
Let’s just stay on the retread path. Brady > Stafford > Carr.
Keep loading up the team with talent and just grab the next veteran with 1-2 years left in the tank.
April 14th, 2020 at 11:07 am
Hell no. This team is in Win Now mode for the next two years with Brady and Arians. Get an OT at 14 and a RB in the second. BPA after that.
April 14th, 2020 at 11:55 am
If you want to gamble on a QB after trading down, then take Fromm. He’s a Brees clone.
April 14th, 2020 at 12:24 pm
The reason I never read any of his babbling anymore. “hot dog eating contest-protesting, mock draft-scowling, L.L. Bean-wearing, Second Amendment abolitionist, Mike Florio-arguing, parrot-insensitive, chewing-with-his-mouth-open, soup-gulping, California train-romancing, anti-football proliferation, outhouse-admiring, airline-napping, steerage-flying, Yogi Berra-worshiping, urinal picture-taking, video game-playing, Taylor Swift-listening, pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, craft beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-honk, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training, Budweiser-tolerant, baseball scorecard-keeping, pasta-feasting, vomit-dodging scrooge, Kay Adams-following” all this BS. Most of the time P King is full of himself. Who cares to scroll down past all that useless crap to read Peter Kings rants.
April 14th, 2020 at 1:34 pm
No
April 14th, 2020 at 2:21 pm
LOL I agree with that Rusty. It is very annoying because I have to try and figure out where that nonsense ends so I can read the actual article.
April 14th, 2020 at 4:53 pm
Defense Rules,
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup.
April 14th, 2020 at 9:29 pm
No on Love and no on WR in 2nd rd. Love has bust written all over him. He doesn’t bring others up (worse 3rd yr than 2nd) and had drug issues. Saw him 3 times last year and never impressed. Clipboard holder is his potential. This is such a deep WR draft you can still get very high quality in the 4th or 5th round. Remember this is your #3 WR. Go DT and S before WR.