“They Don’t Have That Guy”
April 2nd, 2020
“Jason, how are you coming along with finding a running back for Mr. Brady? Chop, chop!”
As we sit here under house arrest in our homes due to the corona in the early days of April, with the draft three weeks away, Daniel Jeremiah sees a monster hole on the Bucs roster.
The former scout and current draft voice on NFL Network interviewed former Stinking Panthers wide receiver Steve Smith to discuss the Bucs grabbing Tom Brady.
Jeremiah sees a red flag in the Bucs’ backfield. And that is also where this black hole is. Jeremiah noted throughout his days in New England, Brady always had a backfield safety valve to lean on and to throw to.
Right now, such a player is not on the Bucs’ roster.
“One reason he has been so successful there [in New England] is he has always had outlets and a lot of times that has always been in the backfield,” Jeremiah said. “As much as I love what [the Bucs] have at the receiver position, Tom Brady has always had that back that was really involved in the passing game.
“You go from Kevin Faulk to Dion Lewis and you go to James White. [Brady has] always had that guy. They don’t have that guy right now on this Tampa roster. When I try to play matchmaker in the draft, I look at a guy like Clyde Edwards-Helaire from LSU in the second round who can really uncover and be that outlet for Tom Brady.
“They really have some pieces to put into place for this thing to really work.”
Yeah, Edwards-Helaire could work.
Oddly enough, Emory Hunt, the Czar of the Playbook, wrote in his Football Gameplan Scouting Guide (just $10!) that Faulk is exactly who he compares Edwards-Helaire to.
In his breakdown of Edwards-Helaire, Hunt wrote:
Strengths:
– Compactly built, with excellent strength and balance. Defenders have a hard time bringing him down.
– Tremendous lateral agility. Very Saquon-like in how he’s able to stop/start & move left to right.
– As good of a receiver you’ll see, both out of the backfield and downfield.
– Proved this year to have endurance & durability.
– The ability to make the first defender miss is consistent.
Areas of Improvement:
– Can get engulfed in pass pro taking on bigger backers.
– Doesn’t necessarily have the ‘long speed’ to threaten
angles.
– Will press a bit and either run into the back of his linemen or stumble over his feet.
Hunt has Edwards-Helaire rated as his No. 4 running back in the draft behind DeAndre Swift, J.K. Dobbins and Jonathan Taylor, in order.
Hunt’s No. 5 back is Cam Akers.
How would Joe react if the Bucs landed Edwards-Helaire in the second round? Just watch how quick Joe can drain a 16-ounce can of Big Storm Brewing Tropic Pressure Florida Ale!
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:09 pm
Oh yeah, all “6’4 270lbs” of him lol.
Really hoping we land this kid…and his pass catching is exactly the reason i want him. We dont have Edelman. Theres one guy who could fit the Edelman role in Van Jefferson though. Go watch a vid on his route running…2nd best route runner in the draft in my opinion.
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:12 pm
I’d take any of the 5 RB’s listed. If we could get CEH or Cam Akers in the 3rd, that’d be perfect…We don’t live in a perfect world, however.
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:13 pm
wasn’t Ronald Jone a highly touted 2nd round pick and the 3 or 4th best running back in the draft?
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:14 pm
isn’t Deon Lewis still available? Doesn’t he have some chemistry with Brady? He couldn’t be THAT expensive either could he?
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:17 pm
Dion Lewis is not available. Would love Edwards-Helaire or Cam Akers.
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:17 pm
Yeah Jones was USC though and didnt play against top nfl recruits like those SEC teams, Bama in particular. Clyde did that and won the championship.
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:21 pm
I want two backs from this draft…that 2nd…for CEH or Cam…and then another pick for the poor man’s Alstott…Dillon. Three backs for Brady…two of whom could catch out of the backfield…one of whom is 250 lbs and not as easily bull rushed into the QB.
I agree with Joe this has been a persistent problem! I would like to use the SF model and build a three headed monster…CEH/CAM-Dillon-ROJO…two of the three with soft hands…ROJO with great speed…Dillon runs a 4.5 and I’ve seen video of him taking it to the house with the DB unable to catch him. Power, speed, hands, and blocking ability.
And more and more I’m beginning to believe if there is a run on QB’s we might be able to pick up yet another draft pick trading down. Two extra picks to package for moves wherever we need to make them.
With apologies to Mike Johnson I’m getting really jacked!
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:22 pm
Joe, you threw Edwards-Helaire’s credentials out for review a couple of days ago. He seems like a good fit. Regardless, BA is going to fix the safety valve issue for TB.
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:28 pm
OMG !!!!!!
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:32 pm
Yep a threat out of the backfield is the one and only thing missing from this passing game. It’s the only level where we don’t have a threat.
April 2nd, 2020 at 4:35 pm
NFL.com has AJ Dillon graded a 6.27 (89th prospect), a possible 3rd Rounder. I like him, I know we’re not playing basketball, but he had a 41” vertical at the combine, along with other good measurables for a bigger back.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:04 pm
Joe
Yeah agree about his athleticism at that size and decent 4.5 speed. But I’ve heard like you he could go in the third and his combine didn’t hurt.
Honestly I’d rather have him than Cam or Clyde…I know I’m in the minority but Dillon immediately brings size…hands…power all in one package.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:04 pm
stpetebucsfan Says:
“I would like to use the SF model and build a three headed monster…CEH/CAM-Dillon-ROJO”
Sure you’d like to do that…but you’re not the coach and that sounds nothing like Arians.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:13 pm
StPete … We have 2 Rnd 4 picks, so I might wait until then for Dillon if I were JL. We have to go Tackle, RB & DT/DL in the first 3 Rnds (that’s where our biggest holes still are). But grabbing a slot WR and Dillon (RB/FB) in Rnd 4 makes perfect sense for us.
That’d give us 5 picks in Rnds 1-4 who could contribute THIS year to a playoff run, as either starters or key rotational guys. Use Rnds 5 & 6 for depth. Lots of folks seem to want a Safety, but we need to grab a quality veteran FA for back there (we’ve already got enough youngsters in our Secondary).
BTW, I hope you’re over your cold, flu, whatever it was. Scary having things like that at this particular time.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:20 pm
DR……I gotta disagree with one thing. You said our biggest holes and didn’t mention Safety.
It’s for sure our biggest holes on defense. And I think it might be a key position for Bowles. He’s done great work with some rookies at that position in Arizona & NY and based on that success I could easily make a case that if they pick the right player in this draft it could be the biggest impact we could make……especially on defense.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:26 pm
Outside of being able to land Jonathan Tayler in the 2nd (which wont happen) I’d say DeAndre Swift and Clyde Edwards-Helaire top my list of RB prospects.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:31 pm
I don’t every really care where the “experts” rank RB’s. It’s all about fit and opportunity, that’s why you see so many mid-rounders become immediate stars. If they get chosen by a good team that has the right pieces in place then they immediately step into gold.
With Brady, they have to block and catch as well as run. He’ll have games where his running back will have a dozen receptions. They’ll draft a running back like that, but they’ll likely also pick up a cheap veteran like Dion Lewis that knows those ropes, but that won’t be until after the draft.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:46 pm
I think we will see two RB drafted, one in the second after they draft a Tackle, the next RB will be around the 4th or 5th pick!!!!!!!!! And then a college free agent RB signed after the draft!!!!!!!!!!! Yes 3 of them!!!!! Its been that bad!!!!!! But even the sheep knew the “roster” was the “REAL” problem!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:47 pm
Sign Lamar Miller.
Draft
Akers or the LSU Rb.
Keep rojo has primary rb
Dump. Dare. Or go 5 RB.
Rojo
Lamar
Draft rookie
Tj
Dare.
Also , let’s go with 4 qb
Brady
Gabbert
Griffin
Rookie draft – (future franchise qb) by many bandwagons.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:47 pm
Rojo wasn’t asked to pass block so no he isn’t good at it. Nothing to do with his size. It’s like anything in life you get better with repetition. Only problem for him is being in win now mode no one has the time to wait for that aspect of his game to develop.
They will draft a guy but seems too many people are expecting it will be a high pick and I don’t think it will be. Look how comfortable BA was with an underrated rookie out there last year in passing downs. I’d be happy if we did invest a second or third in a back but I could see them addressing it with those compensatory picks also
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:47 pm
Licht passed at Adrian Peterson years ago
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:48 pm
Agree with Pogskin Playa now that he put it that way. Would you rather have a top-tire OT and a 2nd-tier RB, or have a 2nd-tier OT and a top-tier RB? I’d definitely prefer the latter…..and that is much more guaranteed to be available safely in the draft.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:50 pm
This year draft has a lot of depth in a lot of position. If wiggle right we score. No need to reach.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:53 pm
After 6 Jason drafts… our backfield is Ronald Jones the 3rd…..
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:53 pm
A Right tackle and help in the secondary should be our top priority, a swing runnung back will be easier to find.
April 2nd, 2020 at 5:59 pm
Buccaneers re-sign Blaine Gabbert
Gabbert, the former No. 10 overall pick in the 2011 draft, has 49 career starts with a career 13-35 record and a 56.2% completion percentage. He also has a nearly 1:1 TD-INT ratio.
Brady … make sure you bulk up and drink double protein shakes daily.
Smh.
April 2nd, 2020 at 6:06 pm
D.R.
Thanks. As my doc says just toughin’ it out. The good news is that society is largely shut down anyway so it’s the best time to be shut in sick.
I certainly take your points I just fear after that combine and the freakish 41″ vertical at 250…we are far from the only guys who will want him and I fear he’ll go before we pull the trigger.
87 Thanks for pointing that out. LMAO
April 2nd, 2020 at 6:25 pm
Trade #14 to jax or philly pick up an extra pick draft Swift with 20 or 21.
April 2nd, 2020 at 6:26 pm
Stpetebucsfan: If AJ Dillon can catch the ball, maybe he’s our guy. Get well soon!
April 2nd, 2020 at 6:33 pm
I don’t know about Swift. I think it was against LSU, did he have 1 carry for 2 yards? Left with a shoulder ailment? That’s when I want to see someone perform their best, against the best. Was he really injured, or didn’t want bad tape? Cappa would’ve played. Hahaha
April 2nd, 2020 at 6:46 pm
He looks to be a great bounce outside RB to go in hand with ROJO speed up the middle. I guarantee one change in BA offense with Brady is more short passes and screens to RB and the best hands upfield and down sounds very enticing.
April 2nd, 2020 at 7:10 pm
Gotbucs,
“It’s all about fit and opportunity. ” thank goodness someone with clarity.
Personally, I’d say its about scheme and fit” , but it’s the same idea.
Which is why it’s not funny but in a way it is . Fans believe that the top 4 OT are universal fits for every system in the league.
Then its, if we don’t get 1 of the 4 then it’s 2nd round or lower unless we reach. Utter nonsense and complete horse shi#! But smart fans fall for this every single year as if it were a holiday obligation or something.
I’ve not read a post concerning the teams system and how a specific player fits into it. Just, here’s my top 4 or 5…which is always someone’else’s top 4 0r 5 because it’s always the same 4 or 5 guys being discussed. Coincidence?
Point is, fans tend to really get behind certain draft picks, elated if selected. Dejected if not. When in fact, the only real information they’ve used is not the teams or how the player is rated by the front office and coaches. It’s some general non specific summary from someone without any responsibility for their work or rankings. And people get upset with a pick based on how some reporter tool ranks him. (Shaking my head in utter disbelief and disgust).
April 2nd, 2020 at 7:13 pm
Stpete,
Question, you know what the 41in high jump tells the scout about the player?
You mentioned it and the kids weight, but how is that info helpful to a scout?
April 2nd, 2020 at 7:22 pm
I’d be happy any with any of the backs mentioned in this article in round two. Maybe we’ll get freaking crazy and draft another one in round four or five, so we’ll have some decent depth for once too! One can dream.
April 2nd, 2020 at 7:38 pm
Lol,
Yahoo front page –
Buccaneers bring in draft bust to backup Tom Brady ‘
April 2nd, 2020 at 7:47 pm
Jones caught everything thrown at him, no sure why its assumed he cant be the guy when he hasnt been given the chance..I think drafting a rb in the 2nd round os a wasted pick.I would go.Oline and Dline with the first two picks
April 2nd, 2020 at 7:53 pm
His tape is nasty though…his lateral quickness really is impressive and his vision is excellent. Pretty decent speed for his size as well.Pass pro being the issue (which was rojos.issue) I still cant see second round.
April 2nd, 2020 at 7:55 pm
Adrnagy,
You do realize Gabbert will never see the field right? You certainly weren’t putting up a hissy fit when Griffin was backing up Jameis.
Gabbert is simply an emergency position. They hope he never takes the field.
The new Young Gun QB they draft will be the guy that probably takes the field before Gabbert does and will be THE FUTURE of the Bucs.
April 2nd, 2020 at 7:59 pm
SOEBucs,
Last year, the Bucs offense threw 75% (I’ve seen 72-77%) of the passes within 10yds or less from the LOS.
I’m amazed at the number of hard core Buc fans who believe that this offense is always long developing routes and throwing downfield is the only option.
No major adjustments need to made , no because the team with the infamous mad bomber threw 3/4ths of its passes for 10yds or less last year.
And the ultimate shocker is, BA and Billichek run, fundamentally , the same offense. Brady runs the system so differently than winston that from the outside it doesn’t even remotely resemble the same offense.
April 2nd, 2020 at 8:17 pm
Allbuccedup Says:
April 2nd, 2020 at 6:25 pm
Trade #14 to jax or philly pick up an extra pick draft Swift with 20 or 21.
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Sooo down for this. We could grab an extra second in that trade.
April 2nd, 2020 at 8:38 pm
Ivan we have no future we have that up the day Brady signed here. How CLUELESS can you be?
New young gun yeah right.
April 2nd, 2020 at 8:52 pm
Ah.. Ivan the bandwagonneer shows up with non sense comments.
Gabbert has a strong possibility to not see the field and has a big possibility to see the field Incase Brady goes down. Two face Bruce will go to gabbert ASAP before your “future QB”. You believe with paying suh, Brady , jpp , shaq one/two years Bruce will sit back and develop your “ 4th rounder future an”??
I had a problem with us keeping griffin, fitz backing up jameis. I have a problem carrying griffin and gabbert backing up Brady .why? Those backups are garbage like you.
April 2nd, 2020 at 8:53 pm
**** “ 4th rounder future qb”??
April 2nd, 2020 at 8:59 pm
Currently doing an alternative film review of all 2019 games of Dobbins/Edwards-Helaire/Akers…three good prospects…but Helaire is a next level route runner. His short area quickness makes up for lack of long speed. His agility is incredible. Every game you get a wow moment from a move he made.
April 2nd, 2020 at 9:02 pm
He rumbled loud like ‘A-Train’ in the night, Unstoppable, Destroying everything in his path!! His face a blurry image to those falling at his feet. The only recognizable mark was the #40 on his Jersey. His name: Michael Joseph Alstott. Fullback
April 2nd, 2020 at 9:23 pm
There are a lot of quality draft picks at multiple areas of need for us, but damn I want CEH22 to happen more than any of them. Go get him Licht!
April 2nd, 2020 at 9:25 pm
@Brian, fit that national champ game in there too and watch Clyde do that against those SEC future nfl prospects. He seemed to pour it on in the 2nd half…kids a beast against the best Bama had!
April 2nd, 2020 at 9:36 pm
Why not trade down, add a 2nd rounder to our other picks. A good tackle and running back will still be available. Then we add to the defense. I think we have a great draft to help Mr. Brady.
April 2nd, 2020 at 9:45 pm
Anybody that thinks we got no future must be completely braindead. For once this franchise actually has a long-term plan. Our next coach is already on staff and can keep all the pieces in place with the same system.
Bruce has a vested interest in drafting and developing a QB who will be ready for the next coach. He don’t wanna see them fail.
Tom being here will only be a good thing for the future. He will establish a winning culture and a new set of standards. He will light the torch of winning and then pass it onward.
No future….hahaha……what a load of BS!!!
April 2nd, 2020 at 9:59 pm
Yeah JimmyJack look at the young dline of Vita and?
Look at that great LT, RT and young Center we have for the future?
What a great QB we have for the next 15 years?
Man look at that play making Safety we can hang out hat on?
Look at that outstanding number one shutdown corner we have?
Yeah man youth everywhere at all the important positions….
You are so right.
Yeah we are set with young players at all the important positions.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:00 pm
Darren Sproles…that is definitely who he reminds me of.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:00 pm
JimmyJack … I too think that our biggest hole on defense is at Safety. But I was talking about who to get in the draft; I assumed that we’ll pick up a veteran safety in FA before the draft. Later in that comment I wrote … “Lots of folks seem to want a Safety, but we need to grab a quality veteran FA for back there (we’ve already got enough youngsters in our Secondary).” Shoulda put that first.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:11 pm
The only plan this team has is to get Brady and hopefully he bails out this sorry excuse for a head coach. Goodness knows he didn’t do anything to help the team last year. Bruce Arains resulted in more TOs, more penalities, a equally crappy running game, and equally crappy kicking game and an equally crappy return game..
Realty is Jason Licht/Todd Bowles did the most last year by bringing in Shaq and getting all the new corners playing better by year end. Think about it seriously, what did Arains actually do to help this team?
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:11 pm
Ndog,
We have a short-term future at QB for a couple of years with Brady. He’s a definite upgrade over Winston and his unpredictability.
We definitely have a future QB in whatever young prospect they end up drafting, which you know they will draft someone.
But the future certainly wasn’t going be Winston at $25M-$30M/year. We just couldn’t afford to take that gamble with the fact that the NFL is dependent upon the Salary Cap.
Do you think Winston was actually worth the risk at $25M-$30M/year even with his 5-year track record of heavy turnovers? I don’t think you’ll find ANY NFL exec, GM, or analyst that will agree at this point…
And now it’s obvious that the entire NFL, not just the Buccaneers, agree that Winston’s true VALUE to the league at this point is nowhere near $20M-$25M per year which is what he wanted to sign a long-term deal.
So the right move (in hindsight now more than ever) clearly WAS to not resign him or franchise tag him. His VALUE just wasn’t there at either of those options.
Could he one day have much higher value and improve? Sure. But it’s not a salary cap risk worth taking at his 2020 price tag for the Bucs to keep him to find out… in a SIXTH YEAR after seeing 5 years of inconsistent play and still having turnover issues.
Cannot you not see that? Can you not see that the potential upside with Jameis just wasn’t worth risking due to his 5-year track record?
If not, then you either A) Don’t really get how the Salary Cap works or B) Don’t really get the NFL.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:15 pm
Adrnagy,
Name all the NFL teams with backups that “don’t suck”… go ahead we’ll wait. They’re backups for a reason. Rarely does a team have a backup QB in the NFL that’s actually really solid. It’s the nature of the SALARY CAP. That’s how the league works.
Are you upset that they didn’t sign WINSTON to be our backup? You seriously think they were going to move in a new direction with the team and have Winston on the bench so all the diehard FSU fans could chant for Winston to play at any moment that Brady has a bad game or a few bad plays? That would make ZERO SENSE and be nothing but a DISTRACTION for the team to keep Winston.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:25 pm
Ndog & JimmyJack … It’s rare that a team can contend AND have a team of nothing but youngsters. TEAM-BUILDING requires a good mix of old & young; experience & youth. The Bucs are actually in better position right now IMO than we’ve been in many years.
Take players on their first contract as being YOUTH; those on their second contract as being the MIDDLE; and those on subsequent contracts as being the ELDER STATESMEN. On offense (assuming the draft goes as I think it will) we’ll have a RG, RT, WR, TE & RB starters who are YOUTH; a LT, LG, C, WR, TE who are MIDDLE; and a QB as our ELDER STATESMAN. On defense (assuming we sign a veteran Safety) we’ll have a DT, MLB, 2 CB & S who are YOUTH; DE, OLB, ILB & S who are MIDDLE; and a DT & OLB who are our ELDER STATESMEN.
That’s a pretty good mix of youth & experience IMO. We were in REALLY bad shape just a couple years ago, but the starting team has come along pretty nicely I think. Our DEPTH needs a lot of work but we’re getting there. As they say … ‘Rome wasn’t built in a day’.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:27 pm
BA bad talks JW because he doesn’t want him to have a job make him look stupid
Why even calls teams for him? That’s to embarrass him
Why just say “Hey JW good luck? Were moving on
Or just flat out cut him. Now that’s coaching and accountability.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:31 pm
So NDog….If that’s how you feel your first post makes no sense. You said we gave up our future when we signed Brady.
How exactually does Brady signing mean we can’t upgrade on the lines or backfields?
Listen your basis of thinking is Crystal clear. You don’t gotta say it. It’s about letting Winston walk.
Like I said this coach has a vested interest in developing a QB for the next guy. And a track record of success with rookies to boot.
As far as the rest of the team Bowles showed a ability to develope young players last year. Developing Cappa was also more then the last coach did with any OL. Now let’s draft them more pieces and we’ll be fine.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:32 pm
Ivan we are paying a 43 year old QB that has to learn a brand new system (FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 20 YEARS) in a much tougher conference behind Donovan Smith and what will be a rookie RT, $25 million. So singing a much younger player for the same or less and spreading it out over 4-5 years would have been much better from a salary cap standpoint.
So in two years when Drew Brees is gone we could and should have had a 28 year old QB that has years of experience and just hitting his prime with a reasonable cap hit and instead we are going to have a 44 year old with probably a larger cap hit (annually cause it can’t be spread out) and who knows what beyond that.
Now the question is do you understand the salary cap?
Cause if you can’t see that what I just posted is overall better in everyway possible them you are CLUELESS.
Unless of course you don’t care about the future which is what I posted in the first place.
The sooner you all learn Arains is about Arains and nobody else the better off you’ll be. And anything you see him do to the contrary is for show nothing more nothing less.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:35 pm
LaMarcus,
Stop living & breathing stuff that Jameis1of1 posts on Twitter to defend why no one wants Winston.
There’s ZERO evidence that Arians did anything to keep Winston from getting another job somewhere. Teams can watch film for themselves.
In fact, it’s probably the opposite… I believe the team, which includes Arians, was nice enough to let Winston know that there was a good possibility they weren’t bringing him back and were going to pursue other QBs in free agency.
This is evidenced by the fact that Jameis got Lasik surgery. That is 100% a “PR move” done by an agent. I know, I work with NFL agents. The Bucs already knew Winston’s vision situation, they’ve even stated he sometimes wears RX goggles in practice. So getting lasik surgery wasn’t for the Bucs benefit, it was clearly for the rest of the market; to make teams think maybe his vision issues were what was causing his turnover problems.
So the Bucs were probably nice enough to give Winston a ‘heads up’ that he was probably not going to be coming back to Tampa. They didn’t have to do that.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:37 pm
So like I asked where did Bruce Arains make this team better? Seriously where, besides running his mouth?
Heck he even sucked at challenges. He brought NOTHING to this team and he is hoping and praying Brady can save his precious self given QB whisper title.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:39 pm
And yes……What DR said….. Money well spent last year. And when them guys move on you keep spending wisely in whichever areas you need. Our free agent track record from last year suggest they know how to find pro talent. A big part of the process.
If Tom comes in here and establishes a winning culture it gives the Bucs a greater chance of getting the most out of older players too.
Winning is the key ingredient to it all. If you have a team full of established losers talent matters less. This team is taking serious steps to change the losing we suffered with and you say it hurts the future???? Wake up numbnuts……We haven’t had a future in almost 2 decades. Continuing to lose is the only thing we should worry about…….That’s what really kills your future.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:42 pm
Where did he make the team better? Are you serious? Passing offense. Points. Redzone offense. First down %. More wins, more turnovers, run defense, goalline defense could even argue goalline offense(we just went from awful to bad) & how bout not getting blowed out like we was.
Get me a break fool
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:43 pm
Ivan they didn’t do that, you’re full of crap. They screwed him plain and simple. Try to convince yourself they did the right thing if it makes you feel better but everyone that can hear knows this coach screwed Jameis everyway a coach could. If you what to hear how a coach should handle this situation if he really did care about the player and not his own rep, go listen to the interview done today by Clyde Christenson on the Pat McAfee show. It’s simple all Arains had to do was say basically what Clyde said today but instead he decide to convince the world Jameis was the sole reason we lost games, the defense was great and if he had a real QB HE would have won 11 games.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:46 pm
Oh and how about developing young players? Left that one off my list.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:51 pm
Ndog,
You keep throwing around this word “clueless” like it means something. You’re an absolute football IDIOT. You’re the same guy that has posted stuff about how opposing Defenses put up fake looks (which they do all the time) and that was why Jameis threw a lot of INTs. You’re also the same CLOWN that stated that Mike Evans was vastly overrated. And, no, it wasn’t that one game you felt he played a bad game. I saw what you were posting in that live game chat thread. You were saying how Evans had everyone fooled and he wasn’t anywhere near as good as people thought he was. (LOL.) You recently back-pedaled on that.
You’re a CLOWN, dude, an absolute, ride-Jameis’-jock-till-you-die, CLOWN.
YOU obviously don’t understand how the Salary Cap works in the NFL.
Every salary is done based on a VALUE METRIC. How cares that Winston “has years of experience” and is young. How does that change the fact that he’s TURNOVER PRONE and has been every year including his FSU days?
If you actually know about football then you know the #1 single metric that is a possible predictor of who will win a football game… Starting Field Position.
Jameis Winston, for 5 freakin years, has led the league in giving opposing teams better than avg. Starting Field Position.
And you know, if you’re completely honest about it, that there are MANY games were Winston is still firing away in the 4th quarter when the game is realistically out of reach by multiple scores. Yet he racked up a lot of extra passing yards and even TDs during those teams. He’s done that his entire career. He has stayed in games to get more experience, and often played late against prevent and soft defenses protecting a huge lead.
Yet you never want to talk about that or admit it.
Then you’ve got a guy you apparently fractured his thumb and also had some sort of knee injury, yet he insisted he could continue to play. And he did so… AFTER we were already out of the playoff chase.
WHY? I’ll tell you why… because his agent encouraged him to PAD HIS STATS. Any reasonable QB would have not risked further injury, which could have been a major problem for the future of that team. But because he was due to be a free agent, he insisted on playing to try and rack up some more stats.
BOTTOM LINE: Jameis Winston’s VALUE just wasn’t there to sign him for what he wanted or what the franchise tag would have paid him. Not even close to it. He’s too much of a RISK. There’s a reason other teams didn’t jump at the chance to sign him, or now TWO WEEKS LATER… jumping to sign him at a super discounted deal.
SO TELL ME… Why can YOU evaluate Winston and think he’s the amazing VALUE to be signed and kept for Tampa, yet all the other execs, owners, GMs, and coaches apparently CAN’T?
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:53 pm
Points related to Jameis (I thought Bruce said he sucked?)
Red zone realted to Jameis (I thought Bruce said he sucked?)
First down % related to Jameis (I thought Bruce said he sucked?)
Sorry he can’t rip the QB and say he’s the reason he lost and still take credit for the good things he did. Does work that way pal.
All the defense was tied to Bowles and talent upgrade from Licht.
So what did he improve again?
TOs up
Penalities up
Poor challenge management up
Kicking still crappy
Running game still crappy
So who’s the fool? Oh that’s right you for believing this shyster.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:53 pm
Ndog,
Of course, Bruce Arians made this team better! Our Offense was the Top Passing Offense in the NFL and #3 Scoring Offense!
OH WAIT… apparently on the positives can be attributed to Jameis, but none of the negatives can. LOL.
I love how CLOWNS like you claim the O-Line was so bad, yet are too dumb to realize you’re OL can’t be all that bad if your QB throws for over 5,000+ yards.
Dude, again, you’re a CLOWN. A big…ole… massive… CLOWN.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:56 pm
Bruce never said he sucked. He was saying he didn’t get the job done overall and he believes another QB could have.
Ndog,
How come no matter how many times it’s brought up you have no response for it??? What I’m about to say…
If you take Fitzpatrick’s 7.5 games played in 2018, and you pro-rate his games (good and bad stats) to a full 16 game season…
You get 4,900+ yards, 32 TDS/24 INTs, and an AVG. QB rating of over 100 per game.
He did that with the same Offense that Jameis had to play with. Fitz putting up big numbers proves that Jameis isn’t anything special.
So you, or anyone else, that thinks a decent QB can come in and have production with THIS Buccaneers Offense needs to put down the crackpipe.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:58 pm
* Correction: You or anyone that DOESN’T think a decent QB can come in and have production with this same Offense is… yes… on crack.
April 2nd, 2020 at 10:59 pm
Ivan you are so CLUELESS and that means you don’t have a clue, which clearly you didn’t know. Tell me this why did all the exes not want Warren Moon? Why did all the exces not draft Tom Brady? You honestly believe that there are 32 QBs out there better than Jameis?
You know what I’m not wasting anymore of my time on someone has football dumb as you clearly are.
See ya loser.
April 2nd, 2020 at 11:01 pm
OK Bruce never said he sucked. You need to get your facts straight muchambo. And it’s not all about Jameis…….Why are you saying it’s related to Jameis? Where is your freaking head dude?
Are you that obsessed with Jameis you can’t even have a conversation without relating it to him somehow? What the heck?
You asked where Bruce made the team better I answered. Yeah duh it was with Winston. That’s the point…..Those are areas that improved under Bruce with the same danged players.
Jeez man get a grip…..I don’t even know why it relating to Winston is a point for you. You asked where the team improved I answered. I thought we were talking about Bruce?
April 2nd, 2020 at 11:04 pm
And no dude…..The defense does not just relate to the DC……That’s nonsense. Only a HC as bad as Dirk gets that distinction.
He’s the Head freaking football coach dude. It’s all on him. The whole freaking team. He’s not here to catch half the freaking players bro. And for you to suggest he is is a freaking embarrassment.
April 2nd, 2020 at 11:07 pm
Naw man why does BA always talking bad about him but others dont see it that way that’s close to him as well. There is a certain disconnect. I’m always concerned for fragile Bucs
April 2nd, 2020 at 11:11 pm
But on a moving on note
I think they should give more of the team to Brady if its riding on his shoulder anyway. Learn from the mistakes of JW and get some help around the quarterback not just a bunch of pass catchers
I think we should 2 more backs. Cut number 44 he is boo boo
April 2nd, 2020 at 11:14 pm
Ivan tell Ndog 1of1 how it is. sometimes you have to be harsh with dogs to get the message through to them
also Ndog you know the running game and was better. not great but better you realize what a desolate wasteland this team was very recently. then again you probably believe it still is that your guy winston is the sole reason this team had 7 wins and no one else contributed to this.
also Bruce Arians is won roughly 49% of all challenges that is above average if not for two games the kicking would have been better. penalties were an issue.
Ndog dude you know literally nothing about football. then again I am convinced you are Jameis1of1 so I shouldn’t expect differently.
April 2nd, 2020 at 11:36 pm
@Ndog no one screwed JW. BA did not or Christenson or the ball boy. JW made his own bed and it was ugly. Those that know a lot more than you or I made a decision to go in another direction for the benefit of the team. Under the circumstances he did not merit another contract or tag. They are obviously putting in all the chips to win now and JW was too much of an enigma to invest in him for that. You can beat the table all you want but JW was not worth the risk. With TB the team and the franchise will be better off in the short and long term at a minimum because of the culture change. Let it go!
April 2nd, 2020 at 11:50 pm
Tell me this why did all the exes not want Warren Moon?
Warren Moon of the Houston Oilers? All the exes?? Key word ALL….
p Why did all the exces not draft Tom Brady?
Duh…because only one team can draft a player. ..and he was drafted….ALL is a concept that you clearly don’t quite understand.
You honestly believe that there are 32 QBs out there better than Jameis?
I’m going to help you with this …………”bel
April 2nd, 2020 at 11:58 pm
The sad part is the constant daily trashing of the Front Office. They are trying to build a winner here.
And if you didn’t watch the back half of last season and see real growth and a team start to emerge you gotta wipe your eyes…….And as much as ai hate to remind you all one player who did not show growth was Winston. He was downright terrible in those last couple games.
If you really think this team had a great chance to make a run next year with Winston it’s just not rational……….And if your gonna call it SuperBowl or fail with Tom that alone tells you it was the right decision.
If the standards and expectations are now winning then it’s already an ackomplishment. Cause with Winston there were no reason to expect winning.
April 3rd, 2020 at 12:19 am
He was a day three guy before the combine and he ran a 4.6 forty. I don’t think it will take a 2nd round pick to land this guy. Is he worth it? Maybe but there’s a lot of really good backs in this draft. The earliest I’d pick CEH is the 3rd round. I rather get a every down back like Cam or one of the top tier guys in the 2nd personally.
April 3rd, 2020 at 12:31 am
Jimmy Jack,
Excellent post! May I say, it may be your best to date.
The team got better. Only one player didnt! That’s straight up gangsta!
The only comeback is to call you stupid and run away from the kO You just delivered.
April 3rd, 2020 at 12:43 am
Add…
The hard core winston is manning , manning is winston crowd have all taken to the line, “it’s superbowl or bust”.
I don’t believe those fans have any clue that they have given you the win . Utterly clueless doesn’t do the situation justice. Like a pick 6, their argument losses to a self inflicted mortal wound . Oh the irony. …….
April 3rd, 2020 at 12:51 am
Ivan , I’ll just say 3 teams.
Saints – Brees -bridgewater- hill
Cardinals – Murray – d. Anderson
Falcons.- Ryan- Schaub
Bears – Trubisky – Foles
There’s quality back ups.
April 3rd, 2020 at 6:12 am
I’m on the AJ and KJ train! Get one of the top OT prospects in Round 1. A pass rusher in Round 2. AJ Dillon, the monster RB from BC in Round 3. And then get the Ohio State WR K.J. Hill in Round 4 to be our new slot guy.
Problems solved.
April 3rd, 2020 at 6:46 am
@StPetebucfan
I want Dillon too, but I am afraid that unless we use our first pick for him, he will be long gone by the time we pick number 2.
April 3rd, 2020 at 8:28 am
Dude, Ain’t no chance Dillon goes in First or second round ….. no chance at all.
April 3rd, 2020 at 10:11 am
I like Antonio Gibson of Memphis in the 3rd as our RB/WR weapon. He’s big, 6′ 228, and plenty fast, 4.39 40. He played WR for most of his time at Memphis and catches like a WR and played exclusively at RB at the Senior Bowl and showed toughness playing RB. He’s a sleeper for a receiving RB.
AJ Dillon with one of our 4ths would complete our RB 3 headed monster. He’s 6 250 and runs 4.55. He’s the power back/pounder that we need.
April 3rd, 2020 at 10:12 am
Don’t sleep on RoJo.
April 3rd, 2020 at 10:20 am
Why? Has he suddenly given fans a reason to stay awake that Joe is missing?
April 3rd, 2020 at 12:10 pm
I’d take him or Cam Akers rd 2.
O line rdb1.
DE rd 3-4
Jake Fromm QB Georgia rd 3-4
April 3rd, 2020 at 2:31 pm
People. It’s all moot. All professional and collegiate sports will be cancelled until 2021.