“It’s Going To Carry Over To Every Single Position And Every Single Job”
April 6th, 2020
A guy given credit for the Patriots drafting Tom Brady and who spent nearly a decade working around him is among the masses believing Brady literally will transform every member of the Buccaneers’ roster.
Joe gets it. But damn, Brady is still human and will need to learn a new offense and a new environment, all while he performs the herculean task of transforming the Bucs from professional losers into a team that plays meaningful January football.
Former Patriots, Chiefs and Falcons executive Scott Pioli called himself a “close personal friend” of Brady on CBS Sports Radio last week and explained that radical change is coming to Tampa.
“There’s such a dramatic difference, even at Brady’s age, and as young as Jameis is,” said Pioli, who resigned as Falcons assistant GM last year. “The thing is with Jameis he was so, on the field on gameday, unpredictable and undependable. And then even when he made those mistakes, the lack of accountability. Again, I’m not talking as a human being; I’m not beating him up as a person. But there’s going to be a heightened level of accountability at the quarterback position, which is the most important position, and that is going to permeate through the locker room and it’s going to carry over to every single position and every single job on that football field.
“You know Brady, now in his early 40s, he’s still an outstanding player. … He’s going to bring a presence and a work ethic and work habits that are going to make a big difference on that football team.”
Joe found the last sentence interesting because Bucco Bruce Arians and QB coach Clyde Christensen both have said they’ve never had a player who worked harder than Jameis and he put in great effort with a yes-sir attitude at all times.
So how exactly will Brady’s work ethic and habits “make a big difference” as Pioli said?
The “presence,” however, is a different story.
Joe sure hopes the Bucs get off to a strong September start. As conditioned as many Bucs players have been to losing, if they don’t see Brady saving them early, Joe is concerned the Bucs have too many fragile, loser mentality that might not feel Brady’s “presence” like they should if the Bucs have, say, a 2-3 record.
That may sound harsh, but with Brady in place the goal is at least one playoff victory immediately.
April 6th, 2020 at 5:48 am
“Bucco Bruce Arians and QB coach Clyde Christensen both have said they’ve never had a player who worked harder than Jameis and he put in great effort with a yes-sir attitude at all times.”
That alone is not a recipe for success, it certainly helps but won’t, by itself, cure or correct other issues.
You can be on the right track and still get run over by the train.
I have no idea what will happen with the Bucs with Brady but I am glad Winston is gone.
April 6th, 2020 at 5:59 am
Maybe this guy could have thrown in one more black Qb racist trope. Geez we get it many around the NFL are more comfortable with a white guys at Qb. There is no need to say someone is lazy, unreliable and unaccountable when ever coach and player who Worked closely with the man has said the exact opposite.
April 6th, 2020 at 6:01 am
“The thing is with Jameis he was so, on the field on gameday, unpredictable and undependable. And then even when he made those mistakes, the lack of accountability.”
This is also a “presence” that can permeate through a locker room, and likely already did.
April 6th, 2020 at 6:04 am
JW worked very hard……but his production on the field was erased by his mistakes….
I suspect that Brady’s consistency coupled with his work ethic will make a big difference…..
And Brady has one other huge advantage…….his reputation.
April 6th, 2020 at 6:04 am
No one said Jameis was lazy… just unpredictable, undependable and had a lack of accountability.
Plenty of lazy, unpredictable, undependable and no accountability white QB’s.
Brady is not one of them.
April 6th, 2020 at 7:10 am
They just said Brady will bring a work ethic and work habits which implies is wasn’t there beforehand. It’s a whistle not a horn.
April 6th, 2020 at 7:19 am
I always wondered who it was who was responsible for drafting Brady.
Now I know.
April 6th, 2020 at 7:23 am
Good job Stan. Two posts in and you worked in racism. You’ve joined the likes of NDog and Big Hog Haynes. Elite company right there bud. Whenever Jameis finds a team feel free to pull for that squad.
April 6th, 2020 at 7:26 am
32 teams in the league, some with black QBs, still haven’t signed JW. Maybe you should call them and let them know something they don’t know. They pay people big money for consultation. Unfortunately I think they have 5 years worth of game film to go by. But it’s worth a try.
April 6th, 2020 at 7:32 am
The race baiters on here are getting old
Go to a different website
You are not welcome here
We talk about football here. Not life.. not politics…
Every fan on here would love a patrick mahommes , russel wilson or desaun watson …just not a unpredictable…undependable jameis …aNd those that say he was not are in the messiah cult that will never let go
And act like Brady is the enemy 😂
April 6th, 2020 at 7:33 am
Attitude is infectious. Joe: your comments are based on a previous attitude. Every one of the O line is going to have the attitude, I will not be the one that allowed TB to be injured.
April 6th, 2020 at 7:40 am
This take by this GM is exactly what I’ve been saying.
You can evaluate Winston individually, but the nut huggers refuse to do it.
It’s not about the running back or the defense and all those other excuses.
THE FLIM DOES NOT LIE.
Ain’t nobody talking bout no highlight video.
The full 5 year body of work Winston does not pass,the eye test.
Maybe this situation makes it click for him.
GL Jameis
April 6th, 2020 at 7:42 am
BA said early on when he arrived that JW was a hard worker but that they needed him direct the effort into the proper channels. You can work your tail of in preparation but if it’s not guided into the proper direction you will not find the efficiency one is looking for. I gather, do to his success, TB has learned and crafted the most efficient way to prepare for the game of football. Hopefully the tank is still 1/4 full.
April 6th, 2020 at 7:44 am
Joe the answer to your?
Is easy as pie.
Brady’s work ethic and habits actually show up on the field.
April 6th, 2020 at 7:45 am
Stanglass…
I didn’t hear any of that… What I heard was Jameis did everything right but his play on the field made them lose confidence in him. His poor execution lead them to feel like it’s ok to make a mistake, look at Jameis… So thats all I heard no racism just if someone on a team of 22 keeps messing up it ruins the whole team. They are then less likely to give their ALL because it won’t Matter.
I am not saying that’s right but its human nature in any team dynamic.
April 6th, 2020 at 7:53 am
One year ago you’d get one story or one report on the Bucs in sports media per week. Hell, sometimes you’d have to dig to find a Monday report on sundays game. Now it’s everyday, sometimes multiple times a day.
What a difference a new QB makes.
April 6th, 2020 at 8:29 am
Slow your roll….the Bucs have to address the long term starting QB position and not waste the opportunity for that guy to learn from TB…..this needs to be thought of as if TB was not on the roster….so yes the Bucs could draft a QB in the first round
April 6th, 2020 at 8:31 am
exactly what I have been saying from day one, it doesn’t matter to me if he gets us to a super bowl just his presents and work ethic will carry over to other players
April 6th, 2020 at 8:31 am
In Stanglassmans defense. Scott Pioli just finished working with the Atlanta Falcons. Dirk likely would have bragged about Winstons well documented work ethic. So… maybe Pioli is blowing a whistle as Stang puts it.
April 6th, 2020 at 8:55 am
Race baiter = racist. Both are evil and divisive.
April 6th, 2020 at 9:04 am
The biggest difference will be that Tom Brady will hold his his teammates accountable. We heard from Chris Godwin that WRs let JW down because they ran the wrong routes. How did JW hold them accountable? Let’s see what happens when Godwin or any other receiver runs the wrong route again. Get ready for a number of “it’s like having a coach on the field” references this season. JW could not hold others accountable because he was often the one making the mistakes.
April 6th, 2020 at 9:34 am
Knuckle Sandwich Delivery Service Says:
April 6th, 2020 at 7:23 am
Good job Stan. Two posts in and you worked in racism. You’ve joined the likes of NDog and Big Hog Haynes. Elite company right there bud. Whenever Jameis finds a team feel free to pull for that squad.
I am not going to argue anymore as it doesn’t do any of us any good.
BUT I refuse to be lied about. I have not brought up race one time in the countless debates I have had on this site. So get my name out of your posts about race cause if you do you are lying plain and simple.
April 6th, 2020 at 9:35 am
Pioli “And then even when he made those mistakes, the lack of accountability.”
Accountability was not the problem. Pioli made a snap judgement from a distance there. Bad reads and lack of quick check downs were the problem. That falls under decision making.
April 6th, 2020 at 9:41 am
one word …maturity
April 6th, 2020 at 9:52 am
I strongly doubt that TB12 will be able to out work Mr. 5,000… for those who think age ain’t nothing but a number…keep living…talking about his presence will not stop an O/lineman from jumping off sides, killing a drive. His presence won’t help a kicker face the pressure of kicking a game winning or might I say losing 53 yard field goal, what TB12 brings is the fact that he has been there and done that and will his style of accountability brings the team together or splits the locker room!!…..arrogance rubs different people differently… I have never liked TB12 but my hope is that he has enough strength in his knees to lift this team on his shoulders and carry us to the play offs!! Or will the team be good enough to drag his old ass to a play off win … either way…that is the goal…PLAY OFFS!!!
April 6th, 2020 at 9:57 am
Hes not suggesting that they will practice harder because Brady practices hard, he saying that because Brady makes few mistakes that the players will want to make less mistakes as well. When Jameis was allowed to throw picks and turn the ball over other players probably felt like they could take a few plays off. Thats what out sounds like he is saying to me.
April 6th, 2020 at 9:58 am
One of JW problem is that he doesn’t check down and go for deep balls, he lacks game reading knowledge. TB 12 will like a coach on the field and will hold everybody accountable, imagine being a CB or OL and you fought hard in a match only for JW to throw a pick 6 and the other team won, how will you feel? Last season we lack accountability and the players lost confidence in JW which TO gave other team 125 points
April 6th, 2020 at 10:04 am
Haynes
If a guy with 6 rings and the Goat rubs you the wrong way in the locker room, maybe you have no business playing a team sport. Tennis and chess may be the game. And I’d guess if somebody has a problem with TB lockerrom presence they may be shown the door.
April 6th, 2020 at 10:08 am
A guy with six rings. A roster full of guys who don’t have one. All of them having dreamed of one day holding that trophy. Yeah, that’ll be such a divisive presence on this team.
Majority of the roster hasn’t even seen a division title. The stakes have been raised and I for one can’t wait to see what happens.
April 6th, 2020 at 10:12 am
Remember that work ethic of not telling anyone you got in trouble with an Uber driver? Or how about those work habits of being suspended, eating non-existent W’s, giving the ball away at a historic rate, setting the record for pick-sixes… On and on we can go about those work habits! The thing is, it doesn’t matter how hard you work when the results stink, and it doesn’t matter how much leader talk you give when you don’t lead by example or have any results to stand on. Brady gets results, has the resume to prove it, and will be a TRUE leader, not a poser like our former QB. Hail Brady! Go Bucs!!
April 6th, 2020 at 10:22 am
I just wish JW was white then this BS would have been avoided.
He never said JW didn’t work..he simply pointed out the TB12 is better prepared not due to hard work…just his skill set. BUT his major point…reading between the lines…that no matter how much JW worked…he was still…pick your word…excitable…inconsistent…I’m old school so I simplify..JW was a choker.
When I was trying to learn how to play gold the Golf Coach at East Tennessee State told me something I’ve never forgotten.
Practice does NOT make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect.
Stated in another way…it’s always better to work SMARTER than HARDER!!!
JW IS a very hard worker…no body disputes that! JW may have even worked smarter at times. But look at his inconsistency and where it reared it’s head most…JW is a CHOKER!!! He has talent…work ethic..heart and cojones but he is rattled far too easily!!! Especially when it’s all on the line…as in his final game with the Bucs. This is NOT a racial thing…whites…blacks…Mexicans…Asians..ANYBODY can choke.
I think I recall D,R, posting once..he can correct me if I’m wrong…that when he was a Jet jockey instructor that some guys simply washed out…not for brains or lack of desire but because they were too “excitable” at the wrong time.
April 6th, 2020 at 10:23 am
Loving you guys more and more everyday by calling out the racists and bigots etc. The Colin Cap issue wasn’t at all about race, ZERO. Victim mentality analysts tried to make it a racial issue but it’s about business. Colin Cap is paid to play football and he has a fiduciary duty to play a sport and be a positive representative to his Private Membership Association member team The 49ers who is a part of the PMA NFL. He does not have “the right “ to protest his beliefs while he is being paid to perform a certain duty outlined in his contract. If your conduct is detrimental to the team or the NFL you can be released without pay and your contract voided starts anytime because of this. Look how much guaranteed $$ Antonio Brown lost!! All he had to do was shut up!
So I am grateful that most of you all get this and we self police and not these social justice warriors infiltrate this forum. Everyone deals with some level of injustice on a day-to-day basis and I think we all for the most part have some level of realistic empathy for each other, it’s implied. But this football, a game, a way for us to escape politics and religion and just talk stats are y’all good-humored trash about each others’ opinions about pieces to a game and execution thereof.
💪🍻🏈🙏
April 6th, 2020 at 11:12 am
@ stpetebucsfan
I think his ‘excitability’ is a symptom, not the reason. I believe the reason he has not progressed is because he hasn’t been able to ‘slow the game down’ in his head. He has all the athletic traits that you want in a player. He also has a driven desire to succeed. But when a player can’t get past a major flaw in their game, it usually means they’ve hit their ‘ceiling’. That being said, I still think that with the right team, he can be a good QB. But unless he can get the game to slow down, he will never be a great QB. It’s a shame… for him and the Bucs.
April 6th, 2020 at 11:16 am
Brady is not going to have to learn a new offense, the rest of the team will have to learn his. He will make it work.
Jameis is gone guys. We should be moving on. It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with winning games, Jameis didn’t win enough.
April 6th, 2020 at 12:11 pm
You insulted me about my education on 4 languages. and you’re contradicting yourself here. . You only troll and when folks come out on defense you cry like a baby just like many of you.
So I got something for you
t’s so sexy if a person speaks a foreign language, instead of knowing he can never do it and become racist.
Bird Says:
April 6th, 2020 at 7:32 am
The race baiters on here are getting old
Go to a different website
You are not welcome here
We talk about football here. Not life.. not politics…
Every fan on here would love a patrick mahommes , russel wilson or desaun watson …just not a unpredictable…undependable jameis …aNd those that say he was not are in the messiah cult that will never let go
And act like Brady is the enemy 😂
April 6th, 2020 at 12:22 pm
To the personal loyal fans I have
Soggy. Sb. Clutch. Bird. Jimmy. Buc boi etc etc.
I’m thinking of doing a meet & greet day. Date and location coming up soon where you can get your picture with me and autograph. Same day !
I almost forgot. Ivan too.
April 6th, 2020 at 1:46 pm
WHAT’S MISSING…
In this discussion…
Jameis is a VERY hard worker. But I think the difference is that he’s a hard worker ON HIMSELF.
Tom Brady is also a very hard worker, but Tom works hard on not only his own game but getting the most out of his teammates.
Brady commands respect and expects teammates to do their jobs and do them well.
Jameis running around a locker room saying “I got your back” to each of his teammates before a game is NOT demanding the best from them.
Jameis “Eat A W” and other silly and sometimes immature approaches to the game is the OPPOSITE of Tom Brady’s approach. Tom is ALL BUSINESS on the field.
How many times have you seen Tom Brady YELLING at teammates over their mistakes and to get them to play better? Now think of how many times you’ve seen Jameis do this?
Jameis seems like a super nice guy on and off the field. The problem is, nice guys rarely get the job done on the field. Sometimes you have to get angry at teammates and hold them accountable as the QB.
Coaches holding players accountable is one thing. But the QB, as the leader of the team, also has to hold people accountable. He can’t just be their best buddy.
I think THIS is one of the big differences in work ethic. Jameis puts high demands on his own play, while Brady puts high demands on his own play AND the pay of his teammates.
April 6th, 2020 at 1:49 pm
* Hat tip to Doctor Stroud who also mentioned (above in this thread) Brady holding his teammates accountable. Did see that comment until I posted mine.
THIS is the major different in Brady and Winston.
April 6th, 2020 at 1:54 pm
Adrnagy,
LOL. You don’t have any personal fans here. Most of us simply laugh at you because like Ndog, you guys can’t just MOVE ON now that Winston is no longer a Buccaneer.
It’s going to be comical that in like 6 months from now you’ll still be crying about Winston not being resigned. Hell, at the rate you’re going, you might even be here 2-3 years from now still posting about Jameis.
You and Ndog are the epitomy of SORE LOSERS. You screamed your little lungs out how Winston was this HOF QB and the Bucs would definitely be bringing him back. You posted 1,000s of times about how Jameis was so amazing and so many others just didn’t realize it.
Now you’ve both been proven VERY WRONG, as evidenced by the Bucs walking away from him and the rest of the league not jumping to sign him, you guys just can’t admit and come to the conclusion…
That you were WRONG. That Jameis maybe… just maybe… isn’t as great as you thought he was.
But nope… like a sore loser you guys can’t accept that you were wrong and others were right about Jameis. So you’ll apparently go to your grave defending Jameis, making negative comments about the Bucs, and can’t wait to secretly pray every game that Brady throws INTs or loses.
It’s sad, it’s pathetic, and it makes you guys CLOWNS.
April 6th, 2020 at 2:06 pm
Matt: I did a little research on my own of course so my understanding is Colin had every right to protest “police violence” before the game while the National Antem was playing…the PMA nor any other state law can uproot your Constitutional Rights !!! So yes it was about business…his business, his willingness to put his future on the line against “THE SHIELD”….. if only Colt 45 had kept his mouth closed and not called the players “Sons of Bitchs”….that let me know the mental make up of some but not all people in this country that are blessed with great wealth!!! Colin did the protest thing silently and with great humility but he did have the right to do so and did it with grace and honor!!! And yes I know there are people that will not see it my way but there is half the country that says they see things my way!!!
April 6th, 2020 at 3:23 pm
Kidding? An A-bomb was dropped on RayJay when we dropped Jameis to only bring in the GOAT. Yeah… things changed.
April 6th, 2020 at 3:29 pm
@Hawk
That’s a reasonable explanation. I haven’t bothered anymore to analyze why JW is excitable…after years of watching him come out of the tunnel looking like he’s just power slammed two six packs of Red Bull…I don’t know the reason but I see the symptoms.
Hopefully he can find himself. Sometimes people choke not out of expectations of others but because of their OWN expectations. I just think JW NEVER let his teammates really help he was always going to make up for any deficiencies.
April 6th, 2020 at 4:16 pm
The O Line gonna play so much better they might see a starter in Haeg and go Swift at #14.
This whole team is built to win now.
April 6th, 2020 at 6:41 pm
Wish there was a “like” button. Most of you are spot on. I haven’t heard anyone on this sight say anything negative about any player that I thought was based on race. I’m sure I might have missed somebody. We love football. We love the Bucs. Keep your butt-hurt race comments to yourself unless someone’s statement is blatantly racist. If that happen, I promise Joe will police it. Stop your assumptions. By the way, politics don’t belong in football or any sport, either.
April 7th, 2020 at 8:37 am
@BigHog
Actually you did no research you JACKASS! You,Colin,LaBron and people like you are killing America. The man had NO RIGHT TO PROTEST at his place of employment. He has every right to protest “albeit as absolutely misguided as it may be” on his own time. The constitution gives you the right to speak freely. It does not say that you can not be held accountable for your actions, it only protects you from being suppressed by the government. You are still held accountable for you actions or words. Furthermore, has there ever been a bigger JACKASS than Kaepernick? He has no respect for law enforcement and really has no idea how brutally demanding, dangerous and hard the job that they have to do say to day is. Here is my advice to JACKASSES like you….MOVE!!!! Go live elsewhere and see how much you miss your liberties and the overall blanket of security that these people risk their liver for daily.