Carson Palmer: Expect Tom Brady To Ask For 30 Or 40 Patriots Plays
April 13th, 2020
Carson Palmer opens up on Tom Brady coming to Tampa
Loads of Bucs fans pointed to Carson Palmer’s work under Bucco Bruce Arians to gauge the performance of unemployed America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.
So what about Palmer’s opinion on Tom Brady with Arians?
Joe’s got the Palmer’s takes today discussing Brady’s inevitable demands in Tampa, and his pluses and minuses.
Palmer sees Brady running Arians’ core offense effectively but also making significant changes.
“I also see Tom coming in and going, ‘Look, I need my 30 pass plays that I absolutely love. We can, you know, re-term them and put them in your language so they fit in the Bruce Arians offense,'” Palmer told The Rich Eisen Show. “But I would almost be positive, and I don’t know this for a fact, but Tom’s coming in and really running the bread and butter of what he’s been running for the past 20 years.”
Few quarterbacks in history have ever had the same offense through a very long career, Palmer said, but Brady was an exception. Yeah, there were different playcallers, he said, but it was Brady’s way in New England.
“First it was Charlie Weis and Bill O’Brien and then Josh McDaniels, but really that was Brady’s offense. They’re running the same concepts year after year after year,” Palmer said.
“I would assume that Tom’s going [to Tampa] with his top 30, 40 pass plays and really kind of building what Bruce’s offense doesn’t have, or doesn’t have similar plays to what Brady’s been running for so long and then building upon that. I think at the end of the day, it’s a really good mixture of those two guys’ offenses.”
Empty formations are what Arians wants to be in, Palmer said of five-receiver sets. “He wants to give you as many options as you can have with having five guys out in a route,” he said, adding Brady mastered that in mid-2000s in New England.
Arm strength with Brady will be an issue, per Palmer, and he suspects Brady will need to “really hitch in to throws to get the ball down the field” on the huge strikes Arians wants to take.
No worries on that, Palmer said, “what you lose in the long ball you gain in so many other things.”
Brady’s ability to run an offense at the line of scrimmage is the best in the game, per Palmer, and a huge upgrade for the Bucs.
Palmer emphasized that playing for Arians is extremely challenging and not ideal for a rookie QB or a first-year starter under Arians. But he thinks Brady will have no issue because Arians’ is very much like Bill Belicheat during work hours.
Asked to name most difficult moment playing for Arians, Palmer said, “There was one every day.”
April 13th, 2020 at 4:32 pm
We have two good TE’s, well when they’re not dropping huge passes at the end of a close game anyways, so use them.
April 13th, 2020 at 4:33 pm
It’s good to be a Bucs fan, finally! Relevance is bliss.
April 13th, 2020 at 4:38 pm
I am so stoked!
April 13th, 2020 at 4:56 pm
That’s why this can Brady vs. BA scheme is total BS. You don’t think these two guys can make a sweet scheme together. One great thing about these guys not practicing on the field is they’re at home a lot watching film and using FaceTime.
April 13th, 2020 at 5:03 pm
This draft HAS to be trenches and rb. Nothing more, nothing less!
And pray the defense can be at least average this yr!
April 13th, 2020 at 5:37 pm
So not only will Tom Brady be learning a new offense the rest of the offense will be learning a new offense.
Final 4 or bust!
April 13th, 2020 at 5:39 pm
951……hahaha…….I think you just made a case for why the draft should not be just OL and RB.
If your just hoping and praying for the defense to be average then you got a problem on that side of the ball that must be addressed.
But the good news is I say we got more then a prayer on defense. Its an assending unit with a lot to build on.
Of the four major phases of the game our Run offense for sure looks like the biggest priority. You could argue pass defense but I would say we have more talent and more potential there to work with. I could see us add a safety in the draft for that group and maybe a low round CB. Then after the draft it might be wise to bring in a veteran who is good enough to start if needed or be a good depth player……….Running offense seems to need much more.
April 13th, 2020 at 5:45 pm
BA didn’t bring in Brady to cram s(p)it down his throat…..so…..let’s negotiate……Tom wants 40 plays……BA wants none……lets settle on 20….
Bring it on and…..It really does feel good to be relevant……
April 13th, 2020 at 6:01 pm
If the play works, look for ole style biscuit to steal the credit!!!!!!!! If the play does not work, ole stale biscuit will blame the players!!!!!!!!! It is as simple as that!!!!!!!!!!!! Most overrated coach in current nfl history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 13th, 2020 at 6:13 pm
Jimmy jack,
Haha I hear you but listen to me out. I’ve said in the past that Licht needs to bring in a vet safety and cb. I’m not expecting you to know or remember that tho 😉
But on the defensive side, Bucs have young corners and a relatively young safety group. A younger lb core (David is 30 I believe). The d line is an older group (Suh, JPP) and I would like to see 1-2 younger guys added to the mix.
But that rt, depth overall on the o line, and rb positions scare the heck out of me.
Let’s be honest, Brady (Winston as well) needs a better o line and rb. I like rojo and all but he just hasn’t shown me that “it” factor as of it.
I think it’s really important to bring in a vet safety and cb. If Licht can knock rds 1-4 out of the park and the rest as depth, I’d call that a major win which is really needed.
Again, let’s be honest, Brady ain’t no spring chicken and there’s a 2, maybe 3 yr window if they’re truly lucky.
April 13th, 2020 at 6:33 pm
You see I thought it was just Jamies was not a good quarterback ? How come now Brady is here they have to change plays ? No they shouldn’t change nothing in the playbook or bring in another plays . Because every body said it was Jamies and not the plays . Yall said Bruce Arians is the quarterback whisper . Man a lot of yall just hated Jamies and now it’s all coming out it wasn’t about the bucs winning yall just didn’t want Jamies on the team …
April 13th, 2020 at 6:36 pm
I don’t hate Jameis that’s stupid talk I don’t know him. Did I want him off the HELL YEAH he’s sucked at his job for five years.
April 13th, 2020 at 6:37 pm
Team
April 13th, 2020 at 6:42 pm
Watch out sheep, Tampabaybucfan is all excited because bruce arrogance went shopping this offseason!!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!
April 13th, 2020 at 6:48 pm
951……Great points all around……I just don’t agree to rigidly say that we gotta bring in a veteran safety. I do understand seeing a need for a veteran presence in the DB room. Think you could do the same with adding a vet CB…….Also Andrew Adams has been in the league for 4 seasons. 32 starts under his belt for what it’s worth.
.I just think this is a position you let Bowles be part of the decision about. And I don’t know who he would want but I would think it’s somebody with a lot of potential. I think you gotta consider the success he’s had in grooming rookies at that spot(primarily Honey Hair and Jamal Adams)……..I say if Todd sees a draft pick he can have similar success with you’d be a fool to not try and draft them……..Maybe their is a free agent out there that we can afford who has the same potential you get them but if Todd has his eyes on somebody in this draft I am letting him do what he’s done before.
April 13th, 2020 at 6:58 pm
Oneilbucs…….Nothing that your saying adds up. Training Winston in this offense is a much different situation then with Brady.
Your putting it out there like they held back plays from Winston that they will let Brady run. Quite simply that just did not happen.
In fact I might even now pick up the book Bruce wrote in this downtime of sports…….From all accounts I have heard about it Bruce is very open into letting his QBs choose which plays they want to run. Your post represents a different point of view on that and you have absolutely nothing to back up your claim.
It’s a very weak comment bro and is yet another excuse in the very long line.
April 13th, 2020 at 7:22 pm
O’Neilbucs. You obviously have passion for JW which is fine as he has some fantastic attributes. Please reread your post as I am sure you know more about football than that demonstrates.
April 13th, 2020 at 7:28 pm
JJ
I know the Bucs were high on Dixon before he went to ir before the season started. Maybe they’re banking on him 🤷🏻♂️
April 13th, 2020 at 7:35 pm
“And pray the defense can be at least average this yr!”
951…not sure I get that. We were well ABOVE average by the second half of last year.
Why would we pray for regression?
April 13th, 2020 at 7:55 pm
St Pete
Well, they did turn it up at the end of the season. But, let’s be honest here. Those teams they beat had a combined record of 28 wins and 52 losses. A record of 5.6 wins and 10.4 losses.
Not exactly the hardest teams. I haven’t dove into those teams offensive rankings, either. I can’t see Jax, Indy, cards, and lions being some powerhouse offense.
I’ll reserve judgment until they can put together a full and complete season. So when I say average, maybe I need to be more clear. Average across the ENTIRE season, consistently.
April 13th, 2020 at 8:14 pm
Stealing Hoody, the cheaters, plays is a no brainier that only Lovie or Schiano would argue with
April 13th, 2020 at 8:26 pm
We are paper-tigers until we take the field, regardless of what or whose plays are used. We will either be the 2018 Eagles or 2019 Browns…..
April 13th, 2020 at 8:31 pm
Bucsfan951 … You make a good point about the Bucs’ defense in the 2nd half of last season. They didn’t play superb teams (only 2 made the playoffs … Saints & Texans). BUT when I looked at each team, it turns out that only ONE had a better defense than they did an offense … the Jaguars (#21 defense & #26 offense). ALL the rest were better offensively than they were defensively.
IOW, our defense had the tougher task (the teams we played were better offensively than they were defensively). When I ran the POINTS ALLOWED results for those 8 teams, it turns out the their offenses ranked #15 on average, while their defenses ranked #21 on average. Add to that our offense’s propensity to give the ball away to the other teams (23 giveaways in those 8 games by our own offense … 3 per game average), and I’d say our defense did awesome in those games.
Bigger question though is ‘Can they pick up where they left off?’ Probably not, but the other teams will face similar problems. A lot can happen between now and September.
April 13th, 2020 at 8:38 pm
951
Certainly take your point.
D.R.
Great response. Given that D’s are generally ahead of O’s early in the season, something I believe will be exacerbated because of lack of preparation this year…I want our D to be top ten. I think that’s reasonable.
Simmons is projected as the 8th pick by Walter Football…if he fell anymore it might be exciting to see what Bowles could do with him…safety? LB? both?
It’s such a big move I haven’t really thought of it till today when Ira posed the question and there were rumors of us trading up.
I think as usually happens in the draft it depends on how many teams are desperate for a QB?
April 13th, 2020 at 8:43 pm
Reguarding the defense Im not sure it’s as simple to say we’re were bad at the beginning and good at the end….. There are quite a few things we are good at and were good at all year. Consistently………..Run defense, creating turnovers, goalline stops & clutch plays.
Passrush was a bit inconsistent at first but got better and better as the year went on. The big thing that held is back was pass defense.
Both pass rush and pass defense imporved towards the end. It may not be a coincidence that it happened when JPP came back and Hargreaves left. There was a change in leadership there and new accountability……….And if defientally doesn’t hurt that we were starting to better understand a new system while rookies were gaining experience…….even our LBs improved greatly in pass coverage.
Passrush and coverage our going to be the keys it looks like. All in all I dont expect our coverage to be nearly as bad as they were to start last year. How good they will be is a big question. That’s why I’m hoping for a safety with coverage skills this draft. Right now Andrew Adams is our best option. I think we can upgrade there
April 13th, 2020 at 8:46 pm
ST Pete – Great point that D should be ahead of offense at beginning of season. (especially circumstances) Would love Simmons drafted early….and have Bucs deploy a shut-down D approach vs having to score 25-30 ppg to win. Bravo! LIKE+
April 13th, 2020 at 8:50 pm
But the key to this defense is we can stop the run we can create turnovers and we can make big plays in big moments.
That alone is worth nough to win with considering you can not be a pushover(like we were) against the pass.
We have plenty of ability on that side of the ball. Now we just gotta build around it.
The very inspiring part is we do seem to finally have coach’s that can develope DBs. I don’t really see how anybody can not like the unit we got coming in for 2020. We really aren’t lacking talent anywhere.
April 13th, 2020 at 10:42 pm
Pretty much Jimmy Jack,
hopefully if we keep our third round pick a good safety will fall. and we can get Whitehead some help.
April 13th, 2020 at 11:28 pm
Thisk Brad Johnson Bucfans. At the best we get 2002 Brad Johnson. Which would be just great.
April 13th, 2020 at 11:52 pm
Swampbuc Says:
April 13th, 2020 at 11:28 pm
Thisk Brad Johnson Bucfans. At the best we get 2002 Brad Johnson. Which would be just great.
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Brad Johnson got moniker from Gruden as the BULL….Since Brad could take so many hits and keep upright for the next play. Not sure Brady will be our new “Bull”, aka Brad Johnson. Brady will need superior protection…. to keep upright the next play….
April 14th, 2020 at 12:30 am
Redzone
I certainly accept your point but some of us might disagree a bit.
Brady is canny and cunning in the pocket. He protects himself pretty well. Some especially the JW guys will say he’s a coward. He/BA and me might say he smart enough to live for another play.
I want the RT…Haeg gives as good depth at last… a former starter who can play all the positions for depth. I agree the OL needs to perform…in addition we should factor in blocking for our RB’s…if that means getting CEH/Cam and then also getting 250Lb Dillon I’m willing to spend that draft capital. A solid RT and two good/perhaps great RB’s along with ROJO could finally fix our running game.
April 14th, 2020 at 12:36 am
Anonymous it’s not about a passion for Jamies it about developing a quarterback . Every quarterback that we draft can’t be bad quarterbacks . This franchise has never developed a quarterback when are we going to develope a quarterback ? What’s next yall going to hope that the Packers move on from Rogers when he’s 40 and we bring him in to start ? Brady is and always will be a Patriot . They sign Brady just to sell tickets and all yall fail fell for it I just didn’t . Now I hope we win but I will believe it when I see it .
April 14th, 2020 at 2:49 pm
So again I ask, how is it that Brady will have the offense tailored to him but we didn’t do the same for the last QB? Every time people say the Bucs won the free agency , we suck that season. #FireTheOwners