“You Have To Work At It”
March 12th, 2020
Michael Vick raps on America.
Joe is going through interview recordings on his phone and noticed a handful not yet transcribed that are still timely.
One is with former NFL quarterback Michael Vick at the Pro Bowl.
Vick in an interesting dude. He came into the league as the Next Coming and was on his way to transforming what we consider an NFL quarterback while playing for the Dixie Chicks. Then his life and career were nearly ruined by the dogfighting stuff. Vick even did time.
(This, some may say, directly led to the Dixie Chicks drafting Matty Ice. Had Vick not done time, the Dixie Chicks wouldn’t have needed a quarterback.)
After prison, Andy Reid rescued Vick who became a different quarterback and led the Eagles to the playoffs in 2010.
It was almost like Vick had two separate NFL careers.
So with Jameis damn near doubling his career-worst season for picks, while also leading the league in passing and the NFC in touchdown passes, Joe asked Vick if Jameis has doomed himself.
JoeBucsFan: Michael, with Jameis Winston: He throws for a lot of TDs. A lot of yards. But he also has a lot of picks. Are those interceptions going to doom him despite all the good he does?
Micheal Vick: It is certainly something he has to get corrected and I think Jameis knows that. He acknowledged that at the end of the year. He certainly had a great season (outside of picks). Once he learns to limit the interceptions, and I think Byron Leftwich will help him do that, you will see a totally different quarterback.
Joe: Jameis has struggled with picks for five years, though last year was really bad. Is that something a quarterback can work out of his system?
Vick: You have to work at it. You just can’t work it out of your system. You have to work at it. It has to happen in the moment, when you are out on the field, when you are playing. You can talk about it all you want but at the same time, I think Jameis understands this and he will spend a lot of time this offseason trying to figure out where he went wrong and how to get it right and how to correct it.
But is it too late for Jameis? The way Joe looks at it, for the Bucs to be lustily slobbering over themselves for Tom Brady, or even willing to turn to a guy who hasn’t been a full-time starter since 2015 (!) instead of Jameis, he must have done something behind the scenes to really freak out both quarterback guru Tom Moore and Bucco Bruce Arians.
Go ahead and see if you can find the last time a quarterback under 30 led the NFL in passing yards couldn’t find a starting job the next year. Joe will wait.
Joe has mentioned this before but it almost smells like the Bucs or the NFL dug up something on Jameis no one yet knows about.
March 12th, 2020 at 9:02 am
Go ahead and see if you can find the last time a quarterback led the NFL in INT’s over 5 years couldn’t find a starting job the next year. I’ll wait.
March 12th, 2020 at 9:06 am
Vick: You just can’t work it out of your system. You have to work at it. It has to happen in the moment, when you are out on the field, when you are playing.
For those thinking you just magically stop throwing picks. Too many quarterbacks work in new offenses too often to let this be an excuse for throwing 30 picks
March 12th, 2020 at 9:06 am
Lol the crazies with their jay-miss conspiracy theories!!!!!!!!!! The truth is what they figured out!!!!!!!!! Or rather they fou d out what Coach Koetter knew years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 12th, 2020 at 9:07 am
Vick is dead to me.
March 12th, 2020 at 9:09 am
Your theory is hilarious! Every team knows Jameis is Jameis, an inefficient, inconsistent QB who gives the other team a chance to win every week with the turnovers. Do you like Russian Roulette? Sign Jameis! 30 INT, 5 fumbles lost, a record 7 pick 6’es, the NFL leader in turnovers the last 5 years. Those numbers don’t require “digging”, they are there for all to see. Everyone has seen enough. Arians knows he cannot count on Jameis in big moments, and he’s looking for a championship. Arians knows he can coach up any of the free agent guys available more this year than he ever will with Jameis.
March 12th, 2020 at 9:10 am
The root of the problem is not jameis it is the franchises inability to develop players across the board. This franchise was a failure long before jameis for the same core issues the inability to draft and develop players. Jameis will be successful elsewhere however it will ways be tge same old bucs wallowing in the basement making excuses for failure and burning through washed up regime after washed up regime. The blind haters are missing the big picture here. Selmon, evsns and sapp the only 1st rd picks in franchise history to live up to thier draft status.
March 12th, 2020 at 9:11 am
No one cares what the dog killer thinks. Except for Joe.
March 12th, 2020 at 9:15 am
@Robert Peyton Manning had 100 Ints in his 1st 5 season and he still had a job. Now he did have a Hall of Fame Receiver in Marvin Harrison and a two Hall of Fame running backs in Faulk and James. Bottom line is they won but Tampa can’t seem to get out of there own way. Yes 30 ints is alot but looking back at the season Jameis costed you 2 games hands down. The kicker costed you 3 games and the defense as well couldn’t protect leads in 4 games. So this team alone at worse should have been 10-6 even with all the turnovers. I say this the offensive line and defensive line needs to be addressed along with the Running back, Safety and Special Teams. If those area are not addressed NO MATTER WHO THE QB IS THE RESULTS WILL BE THE SAME BELOW .500
March 12th, 2020 at 9:17 am
Yea El Buco, how did Koetter do this year back in Atlanta? Exactly. This was just a very odd year for Jameis with interceptions. He only threw 6 ints on the road, but 24 ints at home. Those numbers are unheard of and won’t happen again. If/when Jameis is back this year I fully expect MVP numbers, with yardage being about the same, over 40 TDs and maybe 12-15 interceptions.
March 12th, 2020 at 9:50 am
Yea joe the dug up 5 years worth the nfl film please stop with the excuses I’ve never seen a player get so many excuses made for him this is ridiculous I’m so ready for this to be over
March 12th, 2020 at 9:51 am
El Buco Estupido, you are a moron.
March 12th, 2020 at 9:54 am
@pimp
comparing crabby to manning is laughable at best.
March 12th, 2020 at 9:56 am
Youngbucs
You have short term memory problems pal…. you fools spent a decade justifying cancer93 and his mentally weak sidekick lvd failures and basement titles. Cancer93 and lvd captained far more blowouts and losses than jameis has but lets not let facts or 8 basement titles get in the way of your jealousy and hate….
March 12th, 2020 at 9:58 am
Let’s not forget vicks number 1 apologist and fan is dungy the clown….
March 12th, 2020 at 10:01 am
Manning this farve that how about comparing him to some of these QBS playing now tht have been drafted in the past five years out playing him and before you go crazy 5000 yards is not the defining factor
March 12th, 2020 at 10:17 am
LOL Pretty sure can find that out fairly quickly and Joe would guess they are in the Hall of Fame. Am confident it has happened.
Joe’s going to get this off his chest: If interceptions were as poisonous as people think and claim, then every team would be full-blown Woody Hayes and never throw.
March 12th, 2020 at 10:23 am
Gruber, Brooks, and Dunn (sounds like a country band or law firm) sure sucked. Vea and White sure suck 2.
March 12th, 2020 at 10:40 am
The issue goes far beyond turnovers…..its the whole picture of a business decision.
1. He’s shown no ability to win, different coaches, systems, tons of funds spent in free agency, exceptional WR/TEs…..all that and you get ONE winning season. Its not about what you pay him….its him.
2. He’s not marketable, half the fan base wasn’t fans of his when he was drafted, heck at least one of the Glazer siblings didn’t care for him then. Then comes the Uber incident, I can assure you that made things worse internally and certainly within the community. Even Nike dropped him….nobody has picked him up.
3. There’s more behind the scenes that we aren’t hearing….the moment we hire his replacement, the local media will get the green light to unleash the inside stuff. I’ve have a buddy who’s family are major donors at FSU, I believe they have a building named after them there. FSU made it known Winston should declare for the draft because they were done cleaning up his messes. Fast forward and again an organization is done with the dude. Winston plays the “oh shucks” hard worker persona……he’s manipulative and that’s proven when he blatantly lied with his buddy about the girl at Uber.
March 12th, 2020 at 10:41 am
Patrickbucs Says:
March 12th, 2020 at 10:23 am
Gruber, Brooks, and Dunn (sounds like a country band or law firm) sure sucked. Vea and White sure suck 2.
gruber and dunn never won a damn thing as bucs and vinceyoung55 road sapps coattails and never won a single meaningful game without sapp carrying his dumb arse. vea and white are unproven… you just proved my point with that list of players who never won anything and unproven players. vea has done nothing and white did not embarrass himself for 7 or 8 games nothing more. low standard bucfan proving how low the bar is in tampa!
March 12th, 2020 at 10:43 am
Bobby M. Says:
March 12th, 2020 at 10:40 am
The issue goes far beyond turnovers…..its the whole picture of a business decision.
blah blah blah
the incompetent glazers have never been able to put the right people in place to draft and develop players. everything else is just nonsense or excuses. BA is a failure who has never built anything on his own. all his loud mouth bs will blow up in his face and bucfan will suffer while he and his merry band of idiots retire in style!
March 12th, 2020 at 10:53 am
“Joe’s going to get this off his chest: If interceptions were as poisonous as people think and claim, then every team would be full-blown Woody Hayes and never throw.”
JOE…JOE…JOE…the hyperbole and I can forgive…it’s a freaking sports blog after all…
But you are guilty of some really specious logic there. There are plenty of options to curing an interception problem besides going Woody Hayes!!!
Try this one on for size Joe…find a freaking QB who doesn’t throw ints!!!
Now is it your position that you can’t win with that kind of QB..that only “game managers” or “checkdown Charlies” can compete without lots of ints?
What none of us truly knows are the subtleties of BA’s offense. We know he believes in no risk it no biscuit and that he likes chunk yardage plays. Is that ALL that is in his offense?
Does he not have checkdown receivers if the play doesn’t open…a hot read if the defensive pressure collapses the pocket?
So Joe asks an excellent question. How much of JW’s struggles were on BA’s offense? How much was because JW simply can’t make proper decisions.
BA’s offense reportedly does have a lot of in play reads going on between QB and target depending on how the D plays it…So perhaps it’s not just the deep balls in BA’s offense that are the challenge…JW mastered that…perhaps it’s all the increased decision making that is required. JW may be the worst QB I’ve ever seen when it comes to decisions, choices and the time to make them.
IF JW stays BA needs to simplify his offense and work on JW getting the ball out quickly.
March 12th, 2020 at 11:24 am
@Joe
When is the last time a QB that the 30 INT’s was resigned by his team?
March 12th, 2020 at 11:31 am
@ Robert
Men lie Women lie, Numbers don’t lie. Peyton had more Ints in a 5 year span than Winston but he clearly played for a better ran team than the Bucs. I’m quite sure you will try to say they played in two different era so whats so different about 1998 and 2015? Like I said Manning had 3 Hall of Fame players Faulk, Harrison, and Wayne has Hall of Fame numbers. So the comparison isn’t laughable. In that 5 year span he has the same amount of playoff wins as Winston too. And as I said before the offensive line and defensive line needs to be addressed along with the Running back, Safety and Special Teams. If those area are not addressed NO MATTER WHO THE QB IS THE RESULTS WILL BE THE SAME BELOW .500.
March 12th, 2020 at 11:35 am
Joe, please let me get this off my chest. How poisonous was the last pass of the 2019 season? We can think that it was not our resulting desires, yet that sure does not improve our claim of a .500 season. Did it? Turning the ball over costs Teams Wins.
March 12th, 2020 at 11:51 am
Off top of head, Fran Tarkenton when he led the Vikings to a division title with 32 picks.
Joe just does not understand this fascination with picks. Is production not more important than failure? If picks were this evil, no team would throw the ball. Can’t throw a pick if you can’t throw the ball?
If (pick a name) comes to Tampa Bay and has the lowest number of picks, but the Bucs finish 4-12, are people going to throw a parade for the guy???
March 12th, 2020 at 11:54 am
Less poisonous than a kicker missing three kicks in the same game. Though, not by much.
March 12th, 2020 at 11:56 am
If (pick a name) comes to Tampa Bay and has the lowest number of picks, but the Bucs finish 4-12, are people going to throw a parade for the guy???
of course they will and your boy IRA will be leading the way!
March 12th, 2020 at 12:09 pm
no one celebrates a 10 to 9 loss like bucfan!
March 12th, 2020 at 12:11 pm
obviously FSU joe wrote this BS….lol….
Is production not more important than failure?
depends on what you’re producing…..
if you’re producing Ws than you can throw picks all you want…..
but if you’re losing AND throwing picks than thats a different story…..
FSU/JW fans are full of sugar, honey, ice tea….lol….
folks blame the kicker but had JW scored a TD in OT, folks would be saying sign him to a 10year 400mil contract with 200mil guaranteed…..lol…
vs the texans, had JW pulled out a W, folks would be saying, look what he can do without his top2 weapons….sign him now…..
had JW beat the 9ers week1, folks wouldve said sign him back then…lol….
had JW thrown 5TDs instead of 5INTs in London, folks would be saying sign him…..
but he didnt….he failed…..
if we cant depend on our QB to come thru in clutch time after our kicker missed some kicks, then we dont have a franchise QB…..
GO BUCS!!!!!!
March 12th, 2020 at 12:14 pm
the only way we go 4-12 with a new QB is if he goes down week4 with an season ending injury….lol…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 12th, 2020 at 12:20 pm
has a QB that was drafted #1 overall, that was released by his team after 5years ever made the playoffs as a starter with another team?…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 12th, 2020 at 12:36 pm
Yes Joe he did he threw 30 interceptions that puts their anointment as quarterback gurus at risk!!! Different people need coach different ways Jameis 100% needs to throw the defender open, Winston reads the coverage and has a lapse, to prevent this lapse he must throw to the defense primary as he knows where his receiver is secondary , he reads the coverage and has a lapse, to prevent this lapse he must throw to the defense primary as he knows where his receiver is secondary!!! If the defender is open you throw it . He’s throwing predetermined and not reading the defender on a lot of his interceptions that are also aided big-time by them having left he scouted as much or more than I’ve ever seen. Winston wants to make a play every time he drops back and get down the field as fast as possible making the defense more of a heart will slow this down and lessen the lapse is that he just tends to have . Mechanically footwork wise getting on top of the ball wise they did a great job with Winston where others didn’t tell him to trust the route or whatever they were telling him didn’t work very well that is clear and true meathead jock fashion they don’t want to be cognizant of that !!!The beginning of games and crunch time and games left he was very very very predictable for opposing defenses ask around you’ll be hell-bent to get the truth but eventually someone will spill the beans nobody wants to uncover a good thing. The beginning of games and crunch time Lefty was very very very predictable for opposing defenses ask around you’ll be hell-bent to get the truth but eventually someone will spill the beans nobody . wants to uncover a good thing!!
March 12th, 2020 at 12:58 pm
Sotheby’s sign in Jameis’s front yard
March 12th, 2020 at 12:58 pm
I personally think our Bucs will make a big mistake to move on from Jameis right now. Give him another yr in Arians system. Solidify the running game so we are not playing catchup so much. I see Jameis movin to another team and winning a Superbowl..Shades of Doug Williams. We shall see.
March 12th, 2020 at 1:11 pm
Jameis probably will go somewhere else and win a SB……..as a backup QB……he still gets the a ring, Right?
March 12th, 2020 at 1:14 pm
mike johnson
another year will only give another year of false hope….
i see JW as another christain ponder or ej manuel…..
a backup thats outta the league in a few years…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 12th, 2020 at 9:48 pm
You act like the interceptions are just no big deal and no one else really knows he throws that many. But yet every week before a game I go to the opposing teams website and all 16 opponents defensive players say the same thing when asked the same question. How do you hope to atop this bucs offense. Defensive player for every team says this. Just stay in your lanes Lee the receiver in front of you and just be ready because jameis is going to give you a couple chances to make a play. Everyone knows it and everyone jumps a couple more routes against him than they would other QBs. Why because they know he can’t read a defense and is just going to throw it to where the play was designed to throw it if the guy is open or not. So because of this defenses play him totally different than they would any other veteran qb. It’s like every week the defense is using the game plan they would use against a rookie QB against jameis. And until he proves he can read a defense and not throw that covered ball and hit the checkdown. Or when have you heard any micd up where he says there sitting on the out lets double move him mike next time. Never he can’t read defenses. You can watch any other qb and he does things to bait defense and lets his wr and offensive coordinator know. Jameis just always comes back looks at hi Microsoft touch and gets his baby face while looking at his pick. Instead of next time let’s double move him there and that’s 6. In five years I have never seen him change a pass play to something better or move a guy around. The only checking he does at the line of scrimmage is change a pass play to a run up the middle for 0 yards. After 5 years the coaches only give him the choice of changing the play to run or pass from the original call. And even when he changes a play to run or pass half the time we get a delay of game because he takes so long to see it and call it. And that brings up something I forgot about he has to lead the league in delay of games and timeouts wasted to save him from that penalty. One game we had like 4 in a row and it was a run up the middle.