Who Will Be Bucs QB?
March 10th, 2020
Intel from combine.
Being a big shot NFL columnist for a network website has its perks for heavy metal-headbanging Jason La Canfora.
He has a pretty good list of quality sources writing for CBSSports.com after years at NFL Network. And one source has told La Canfora who he should keep an eye out for in the Bucs’ quest to look behind the notorious “Door No. 2.”
That would be new Florida resident Philip Rivers.
This source thinks Bruce Arians will be able to speak Rivers’ language and recruit him to Florida, especially with the Rivers family already relocating to that state. “Of all the options, Philip is the one who fits this scheme best,” he said. “Indianapolis makes sense, too, because of (Frank) Reich, but I think Tampa is the best overall fit.”
Joe tends to agree that Rivers might be the best fit for Arians’ offense, outside of the scalp of the guy the loud crowd is screaming about, Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Joe has always stated Rivers — Joe has nothing against him — is little more (or less) than an older, immobile version of Jameis.
If the Bucs get Rivers, then Arians better figure out a way to cut down on the 106 quarterback hits Jameis absorbed last year. At least Jameis has escapability. Rivers is such a statue, Joe isn’t sure he could escape a smelly Porta-Potty.
March 10th, 2020 at 8:16 am
Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Joe: you have not made Jameis Famous, you have made him infamous.
March 10th, 2020 at 8:19 am
The majority of those 106 QB hits are on Jay-Miss. Being indecisive with the football and running into sacks will do that to a fella.
March 10th, 2020 at 8:21 am
“Joe has always stated Rivers — Joe has nothing against him — is little more (or less) than an older, immobile version of Jameis”.
The most important difference is the six inches between the ears, Rivers is a smarter guy with the ball in his hands, as Foutts reported the Chargers OL was a train wreck, in a down year Ekeler out of the backfield should be Bucs blueprint.
March 10th, 2020 at 8:25 am
I seriously did not appreciate how many football experts existed in todays market. Like I have implied multiple times and with no malus intended we will know who lines up under center when BA and Licht decide to tell us. We have No control over the Buc’s choice and all the mental gymnastics and analysis in the world won’t deviate or excell that process. It is that time of year when we are simply going to have to wait to open our football realities until the powers to be deem appropriate.
March 10th, 2020 at 8:26 am
D Rome says: most of the 106 sacks are on Jameis. We honestly have the dumbest fanbase and it’s not even close. Most cities they would blame the offensive line, but not Tampa fans. Everything is because of Jameis!
March 10th, 2020 at 8:28 am
Rivers would work because the money would be there for him and we wouldn’t have to trade…..but we would need to draft a replacement.
Bridgewater makes more sense because of his age.
Bridgewater over 30 yds 13-18 72% ZER0 interceptions
Winston over 30 yds 92-162 57% 10 interceptions
Now, I don’t know about you but that tells me that Bridgewater is perfectly capable of the long ball when asked to throw it.
To say that he can’t is just BS spin to prop up the argument for JW…..
March 10th, 2020 at 8:30 am
Rivers had a down year last year, was it an anomaly or is it a trend? Tough to say.
Personally, I’d prefer Carr, but that deal will be complicated at best and non existent at worst.
Luck remains the quiet wild card. Sure would be interesting if they had him all along and make a big splash announcement with the new Uni’s. It’s a long shot, but I wouldn’t put it past the Glazers.
In BA I Trust!
March 10th, 2020 at 8:30 am
IMO, Philip River’s is washed up. The goal is to get a Quarterback that is better than Jameis Winston and Rivers definitely is not. Maybe 10 years ago
March 10th, 2020 at 8:31 am
I would be seriously surprised if Rivers is the chosen, makes any sense…..He turns the ball over, he is not mobile at all, and he is 28!!!
I am not a JW lover nor hater, buy I would take JW before Rivers……
I would seriously doubt this is correct……
If this happens Arians credibility will start to decline, at least for me!!!
March 10th, 2020 at 8:31 am
My suggestion is to sit back and watch what happens. The pundits have predicted everyone from Brady to Rivers and numerous others in between, not to mention we’re definitely keeping JW to we’re definitely moving on from him I get that it’s fun to speculate, but I haven’t seen any posts on this site or elsewhere that definitively answer the question as to who the Bucs will have at QB in 2020. So just chill and then when the decision is made we can speculate about how the season will play out. And once again, no one will really know until the season is over.
March 10th, 2020 at 8:35 am
He probably has a better Uber rating, though?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
March 10th, 2020 at 8:36 am
zzbuc Says:
March 10th, 2020 at 8:31 am
I would be seriously surprised if Rivers is the chosen, makes any sense…..He turns the ball over, he is not mobile at all, and he is 28!!!
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Wait, Phillip Rivers is only 28 again? Did he discover the fountain of youth and de-age himself 10 years like he’s starring in a Marvel movie? I’d take a 28 year old PR any day of the week over a 26 year old JW.
March 10th, 2020 at 8:37 am
TBBF, good point about labeling Bridgewater and bringing facts to the argument.
Bridgewater wouldn’t bring excitement, but I bet he’d bring consistency and allow his teammates to do their job without being gutted by a Hero Complex.
JW = Hero Complex = Self inflicted Int’s and Sacks.
In BA I Trust!
March 10th, 2020 at 8:49 am
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March 10th, 2020 at 8:51 am
One key factor Rivers has over WinSTUNNED…He has a football mind with awareness in the pocket and pre-snap reads. WinSTUNNED is a fastball thrower hoping his ball gets through to his #1 option…
March 10th, 2020 at 8:57 am
TBBF, that’s not a good point and you are manipulating stats! Are those 13-18 over 30 yard passes for Teddy’s career? Teddy’s career ypp is the shortest in the NFL. He does not throw the deep ball. Jameis’ 33 TDs this is almost the total Teddy has for his career. Career stats Teddy has 38-25 TDs to Ints and Jameis has 121-88. So Jameis had a much better ratio until the 30 ints this year. Another year in the system and Jameis will put up MVP numbers. As Jameis said, Check The Sheet before wanting a QB to be check down Charlie when we have Evan’s, Godwin and Perriman racing down the field.
March 10th, 2020 at 8:58 am
Carr or Dalton would be cheap and younger than these older qbs…both would have to come as a trade or perhaps they will be released; guess the net 5-6 days should be interesting
March 10th, 2020 at 9:00 am
It really seems like pretty much every one on the national should keep their mouths shut about the Bucs cause they clearly have no idea what their talking about……..also talking to you, former failed Bucs QBs Dan Orlovsky and Chris Simms.
The execption is the folks on Good Morning Football cause they actually know what their talking about.
March 10th, 2020 at 9:02 am
But, if Rivers comes here, does he have the ability to grope uber drivers that seems to make him a God to the writers in here?
March 10th, 2020 at 9:06 am
They would be wrong.
Jay-Miss’ time to throw was average, middle of the pack. Jay-Miss apologists act like he was the most hurried QB in the NFL. Jay-Miss led the NFL in clean pocket INTs. The team can’t win with a QB like that.
March 10th, 2020 at 9:07 am
Bridgewater doesn’t make sense for one reason, Arians is looking for a veteran for a couple of years in order to train a rookie of Arians liking. At least that was what was stated at the outset of this QB quest. However, if that was a smokescreen and Arians wants a replacement for Winston instead of a bridge to the rookie, then Bridgewater is a great choice. So, will it be Bridgewater or a Bridge to a rookie? Either one is better than what we have.
March 10th, 2020 at 9:19 am
P. Rivers would get murdered behind this offensive line. We’re keeping Blaine Gabbert but getting rid of Jameis for a less mobile QB on the downside of his career? Really?
March 10th, 2020 at 9:20 am
Sorry my bad (typo) Matthew Fifer….I mean 38!!!Sorry again!!
March 10th, 2020 at 9:22 am
zzbuc Says:
March 10th, 2020 at 9:20 am
Sorry my bad (typo) Matthew Fifer….I mean 38!!!Sorry again!!
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I know it was a typo, just making a joke because of it. No reason to apologize.
March 10th, 2020 at 9:31 am
I doubt Rivers will hold onto the ball too long, foregoing the check-downs, and take a ton of unnecessary sacks and hits.
I suspect Rivers has a vastly more accurate head clock than Winston.
March 10th, 2020 at 9:48 am
Be glad when all these “mock drafts” & “FA QB” speculation is over and the fan healing can begin. We are all Buc fans after all. And after the 2019 FA picks and the progress of the defense we should all feel that Arians & Licht will make the team better in 2020.
March 10th, 2020 at 9:52 am
D-Rome Says
“The majority of those 106 QB hits are on Jay-Miss.”
I don’t expect to change your opinion, or for you to care, but I disagree with this. The offense calls for deep, long developing plays, at least so far. Jameis’ commitment to completing the called plays might be called into question, but Arians and Leftwich both knew of this commitment, and could have adjusted the play calling. Why didn’t they?
Because 2019 was all about improving Jameis in certain areas, like the deep pass (where there were hardly any turnovers), Red Zone play and scoring.
That’s why Arians kept telling him to shake things off and keep pushing it. Experience is the best teacher.
So far as the offensive line, they are paid to do two things: Protect the QB and Run Block.
They failed at both.
March 10th, 2020 at 9:54 am
I’d take Rivers all day long over crabby. maybe just a bridge, draft a QB, but all day and twice on Sunday…
March 10th, 2020 at 9:57 am
• Jameis is not blameless
• The offense is partly to blame
• The offensive line is partly to blame
• The lack of a run game is partly to blame
It isn’t just one thing. It is a combination of things.
March 10th, 2020 at 9:58 am
I wish Rivers were only 28. But then, the entire league would be fighting over him.
March 10th, 2020 at 10:02 am
From Pro Football Focus:
“ No quarterback has generated more positively graded throws since 2015 than Winston, which has helped lead him to being one of the 10 most valuable players in the NFL in that stretch. Most of the quarterbacks available in free agency are over 30 years old, and Winston just turned 26. The gap between him and Burrow, Prescott and Tua in the top three is pretty significant, but there’s still clearly value in giving Winston another shot.”
As opposed to the couch potato cretins that infest JBF.
March 10th, 2020 at 10:02 am
Rivers has his own turnover issues.
My tickets go back to 1972!
I am way too old to continue to put with this male bovine scat!
Jason, make a splash. Give me reasons not to let these tickets go after this season.
March 10th, 2020 at 10:11 am
I think anyone other than Jameis will bring some hope to the team and fans. It won’t be long until we find out, finally.
March 10th, 2020 at 10:14 am
The process of going with a veteran QB is a two-step process. If you go with Rivers, you need to get a QB you can develop into a franchise QB in the draft. If that can’t happen, you can’t take Rivers, or Brady, or Flacco, or any other “aged” QB in free agency.
March 10th, 2020 at 10:30 am
I’m not a Jameis hater , although a lot of people might call me that . I would like to move on from that dumbarse, but I think I’d rather Jaboo than Rivers .
March 10th, 2020 at 10:31 am
D Rome & TD
You are both right! JW does take unnecessary sacks by making wrong read, holding onto the the ball too long when it should be thrown away. Of course it the Offense calls for downfield passing plays that take time to develop but you shouldn’t take a sack when you can throw ot out of bounds to 1st down marker…So there are plays that JW os responsible for being sacked..
The other observation was O Line contributes to sack totals which is also true because of missed assignments or flat out being beat. Let’s also not forget the RB’s role in picking up blitzes. The RB’s were so incapable of this that it gave Oginbawle a chance to play. He doesn’t belong on an NFL field for any other reason.
So there is improvements to be made all over the team
March 10th, 2020 at 10:32 am
I’ll be boating and fishing on Sundays this fall if Phil puss arm Rivers is the Bucs answer at QB. TB12 fine, other than that, give JW one more season in the offense. Not interested in another rebuild or another version of Joe Ferguson / Steve Deberg losing games this fall.
March 10th, 2020 at 10:37 am
Sc, hey now that was just a little “hassel” as they like to call it here. Nothing to see nothing to be concerned about, nothi g to not tell your bosses….. er um. “I just got to get better”
March 10th, 2020 at 10:43 am
@Atypical Informed Fan Says:
March 10th, 2020 at 10:02 am
From Pro Football Focus:
PFF clearly has said multiple times that Winston ranks 1st in positively graded plays. But this is what they say as a whole. Actually supports Joe’s Mr. Excitement.
“Since Winston came into the league in 2015, he ranks first in positively graded play rate and has posted the second worst negatively graded play rate at the same time. ”
Paul Harvey – And now you know the rest of the story.
March 10th, 2020 at 10:47 am
And it is just like Joe saying that Philip Rivers is an older less mobile form of Jameis Winston.
In some ways they have similarities. Philip Rivers has always been elite at understanding heavy pass rushes and throwing the ball away a lot more than Jameis ever did. Jameis tries to extend plays, Rivers takes what is there including just avoiding the sack. They are different that way. Rivers has an extremely quick release.
March 10th, 2020 at 10:57 am
I found be good with either of these QBs:
Carr, Bridgewater.
Draft:
1st round – K’Lavon Chaisson
B-1st trade up for Josh Jones
3rd round – Kyle Dugger
4th round – Davon Hamilton
4th round – AJ Dillon
5th round – traded to move up
6th round – traded to move up
March 10th, 2020 at 11:01 am
Would
March 10th, 2020 at 11:09 am
Wow … a lot of business advisors in here.
March 10th, 2020 at 11:11 am
Rivers will get the ball out on time. He’s in his late 30’s and has plenty of film available. The Chargers never had a great OL, the QB gets the ball out. I just don’t understand why this fan base can’t understand how this works. It’s the make and break in QB’ing.
March 10th, 2020 at 11:32 am
Maybe not as sexy as Brady or Rivers, but I would bet you that we’re playoff bound with either Bridgewater or Carr. I’m not sure what it would take to land either but certainly worth looking behind doors 2, 3 or whatever numbers these guys are. Both can throw it plenty far… so, ignore all the scheme misfit talk.
March 10th, 2020 at 11:55 am
Yes you take a lot of quarterback hits when your the only starter in the nfl that doesnt understand the concept of a busted play and will hold on to the ball regardless
March 10th, 2020 at 12:04 pm
How you reduce hits, get the ball out of the QBs hand faster.
Now some of that is the system, some of it was JW needs to see his WR’s open.
He has improved his deep ball, but his anticipation throws are horrible and is a big reason he is picked off.
Rivers (bleh), if he comes will make quicker reads and throw WRs open.
March 10th, 2020 at 12:38 pm
I THOUGHT RIVERS LIVED TOO FAR AWAY JOE?!?!?!
March 10th, 2020 at 7:46 pm
Hopefully, this time it will be A WINNER!
March 10th, 2020 at 8:04 pm
Nah. Agree with TBBF. Bridgewater for the win.