What Is He?
March 6th, 2020
Puzzle.
A former NFL receiver with a Super Bowl ring is trying to figure out Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
In a recent episode of “First Things First,” seen weekday mornings on FS1, former Packers wide receiver Greg Jennings admits he’s confused by Jameis.
“What is he?” Jennings said. “What is he doing?”
But whatever Jameis is doing, Jennings said he likes it. And much like former NFL suit Michael Lombardi said late in the 2019 season, Jameis’ good is so good, you learn to work with and live with the bad. Therefore, Jennings said the Bucs need to keep Jameis.
“I think you ride [Jameis’ roller coaster] because you have to believe [Jameis is] going to mature out of that,” Jennings said.
Later when recounting his days playing for another interception artist in Brett Farve, Jennings said from a receiver’s standpoint, you love the devil-may-care mentality of Jameis and Farve.
“You love being on the field with guys like that,” Jennings said. “I know it sounds crazy.”
Well, he’s right on that. It sounds very crazy.
Jennings added that with Farve, while he threw a bunch of picks, he also threw a bunch of touchdowns. Jameis had 30 picks last year. He also had 33 touchdowns, most in the NFC.
“You know that anywhere on the field, you are an option,” Jennings said.
Now to Joe, this comes off as Jennings was told by a producer to stick up for Jameis because it made for good hollering TV. A teammate actually enjoys interceptions from his quarterback? C’mon.
Then again, Jennings made a helluva point. James throws a lot of touchdowns too. And if you don’t score points, you can’t win. Period. Even with zero picks.
This Joe used to be a baseball fan and finally gave up this offseason. Joe got tired of being lectured by those who have hijacked the game and claim the way baseball was played for decades is wrong and the boring, excruciating way it is played today is right when Joe’s eyes can see every night how wrong the game is now played.
Joe watches sports for entertainment and baseball has turned frustrating, maddening, aggravating and boring. With all these weird acronyms of minutia littering broadcasts and alleged stories, you need to hire a displaced KGB codebreaker to decipher their tongues.
Thanks to the spreadsheeters (they got something right), there’s a phrase used in baseball, “Regression to the mean.” That’s when a guy who has a few years under his belt has a stat that is way above/or below his average output. An outlier. Maybe a fluke.
The next season is closer to player’s normal career average, or “regression to the mean (average).”
With all the caterwauling about Jameis’ picks, has anyone noticed he had nearly double the picks from his previous career-high? In his first season in a new offense? Jameis’ previous career-high for picks was 18.
So if one applies this “regression to the mean” to Jameis’ picks, Joe thinks it is reasonable to expect Jameis to pair down his picks by a third, to 20. Maybe even less.
With the way Jameis produced last year, if that happens in 2020, now you’re talking about one helluva quarterback.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:04 am
I think it is not unrealistic for him to improve and cut his interceptions down to 20. Unfortunately, 20 is still a problem.
I looked up the most regular season interceptions by a playoff QB and it was Garapollo with 13. And his future with the 49ers is uncertain.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:08 am
What’s entertaining about 15 home wins in 5 years?
March 6th, 2020 at 8:09 am
Excellence always includes consistency
March 6th, 2020 at 8:10 am
Jeff George!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the sheep want to “apply” this “regression to the mean” for turnovers, then you should apply that to passing TD’s as well!!!!!!!!
while the total was up, the ratio of TD to INT was not out of whack!!!!!!!!!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 8:15 am
111 turnovers in 5 years.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:16 am
111!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 8:17 am
Is it entertaining hearing this after every game?
“I have to protect the football.”
“I have to be better.”
“I have to bounce back and not turn the ball over.”
March 6th, 2020 at 8:17 am
Yes @Joe it’s super entertaining to watch the opposing defense catching touchdown passes from the one time pro bowl alternate. And furthermore, it’s glorious to never make the playoffs or even have a chance after mid season. Give Jamoist a 10 year deal at $50 million per. He truly is that good. It’s a Bucs life. #NoPlayoffs
March 6th, 2020 at 8:18 am
I am betting below there will be so many new thoughts on JW and if we should want him.
Yawn.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:19 am
So, according to various reports, there’s little to no demand out there for Jameis as a starter. Arians has been kicking his ass since the end of game 16. And there’s stories out there linking every free agent QB available to the Bucs. What should we conclude from all of this? Jameis signs a 2 year contract for $54 million (below market) and a third year option at $30+million. Just seems like Arians and Clyde believe they can cut the picks down significantly in year two. And if they select Jonathon Taylor, and resign their free agent defenders, we could have a beast of a team.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:19 am
Jameis would of never thrown 33 tds if he didn’t have to rally his team back from deficits due the opponent having a lead from Jameis’s earlier turnovers.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:28 am
Denver won a Super Bowl in 2015 with 23 interceptions. 20 interceptions is not too much.
We could have easily been 11-5 with 30 picks in 2019. Seattle,- davis injured in warmups. Tennessee- whistle. Houston, Atlanta..no Godwin/Evans/Miller.
Most important thing is for the secondary to play well.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:28 am
Winston’s interceptions are not regressing towards the mean, they are getting worse.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:33 am
Every article that comes out just kind of proves the point. Really move on from a guy who after 5 years you are asking what is he.
Winston is what he is and people need to go back and look at 2016 stats. 4,090 yards 28 touchdowns and 18 interceptions with a passer rating of 86.1 he attempted 567 passes and doug martin rushed for 421 yards. it has nothing to do with him having a run game it’s the bad decisions. A quarterback makes his money in the 4th and you move on from a guy who plays better on the road and rides a 12 game losing streak at home
March 6th, 2020 at 8:41 am
28 touchdowns 18 interceptions he’s already had the type of season people are saying he needs to have. He was 3rd that year in interceptions. The other quarterbacks in this division do not turn the ball over like he does so how will we win by over spending on defense to make up for his blunders I guess
March 6th, 2020 at 8:45 am
Ugh, produced? Produced what? …LOSSES! He is no Brett Favre, he hasn’t won anything or carried a team to wins like Favre did. 5000 useless yards, that any QB could have put up, is the talking point for Jameis Joe. Stats are for losers…Remember the “you are what your record says” statement. Here is your main stat for WinSTUNNED: 28-42
March 6th, 2020 at 8:46 am
Wesley Says:
March 6th, 2020 at 8:15 am
111 turnovers in 5 years.
8 basement titles in 10 years
Not a single meaningful win in 19 years
Not a single meaningful game in 13 years
6 pathetic playoff wins in 43 years with 3 during fluke championship run
Not to mention he has played behind the worst defensive unit in nfl history outside of about 7 games.
but yeah it’s all jameis fault this minor league franchise sucks. bucs have not won a meaningful game since jameis was 7 years old
there is a reason this small market irrelevant franchise owns the worst winning percentage in nfl history and it’s NOT jameis winston.
give the dumarses what they want parole jameis
March 6th, 2020 at 8:47 am
Is the good really that good? I’ve seen Evans, and Godwin make catches other receivers can’t. Jameis is not very accurate, his completion percentage sucks. If not for his boys bailing him out it would be worse. I’m done with him, and this conversation. I’ll check back on the Winston saga after the decision on him is made. Right now I’m tired of beating this dead horse.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:47 am
What is he?
Pretty simple Joe, an inconsistent QB……simple as that…
Now the next question,and the only question and the most important question is…. Are there other options better than JW in terms of quality and cap space? That is the only thing that matters IMO…..The rest is crap!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 8:48 am
While you drool over his 5000 yards and 33 TD, saying the 30 INT will come down with regression, you don’t mention his yardage and TD coming down as well. His stat like cannot be separated. If he is throwing less INT, he is throwing less passes, and he is throwing less yards and TDs. So then what is he when you adjust his throws and stats to his career averages? A guy who throws for 4300 yards, 27 TD, 20 INT. And don’t forget the fumbles. NOT GOOD.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:50 am
When oh when is this s**it going to end?
March 6th, 2020 at 8:50 am
Dewey Selmon Says:
March 6th, 2020 at 8:19 am
Jameis would of never thrown 33 tds if he didn’t have to rally his team back from deficits due the opponent having a lead from Jameis’s earlier turnovers.
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5 years in two sentences !!!!!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 8:55 am
Winston is gone. Believe it.
The Glazer’s are businessmen. Attendance has gone down significantly since Winston’s first year here. The Bucs have a negative vibe about them locally and nationally.
The head coach called Winston an “unknown quantity”. So, if they announce that he is returning, are we all going to rush out and buy season tickets to see a team headed led by a player the head coach called an “unknown quantity” at QB? After Arians’ comments, no one will buy tickets to see a QB that the coach has trashed, and who by all accounts, wouldn’t even have a starting job anywhere else in the league. No matter how you slice it, Winston has a negative vibe about him both on the field and off the field. He hasn’t eaten many W’s in his time here. The coach isn’t excited about him – how do they expect the fans to be excited about him? He’s gone.
As for the new uniforms, I have a prediction.
The team knows that in order to use the creamsicle uniforms once or twice a year, that they need white helmets. The fans want to see the old orange once in a while, and the Glazers will never again miss an opportunity to market the orange merchandise. So, count on white helmets.
In the first uniform announcement video, the painter paints the secondary ship logo with pewter, red, and orange colors. In the second video that was released, after the “3,2,1” countdown, there is a half-second blip with the ship logo once again.
I think that the ship logo becomes the main logo, and will be the decal on the white helmets.
It makes sense, as the ship fits the “old with a new spin” mantra, and because the ship is the symbol and the main attraction that makes our stadium unique.
So, white helmets with the ship logo on them. Tons of new merchandise featuring the ship logo. Regular uniforms that look like the Super Bowl team, but with deeper red color and a few minor updates. The ability to convert the white helmet to Bucco Bruce from time to time.
New uniforms, a good draft, resign the defensive stars, and get a new QB. A nice recipe to try to drum up some excitement to sell more tickets.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:55 am
Best qb in the league definitely the most entertaining player in the nfl
Layoff JW. In the last 2 games , Perriman was his number 1 target then a guy named Franklin, Shepard, Snell and sorry Justin Watson. With those scrubs at reciever and still could of won the last games with 8 turnovers
30 ints is just a excuse for the lost season. I’m not buying that
March 6th, 2020 at 8:58 am
#1 Pick QB 2 Cent Brain Says:
March 6th, 2020 at 8:08 am
What’s entertaining about 15 home wins in 5 years?
the home losing streak is more a product of cancer93 and his mentally weak overrated sidekick lvd but let’s not let facts get in the way when their is a fine young man like jameis to pummel….
March 6th, 2020 at 9:03 am
If you apply regression to the picks, you also have to extend it to production ie
TD’S and YDS.
Being that 5000 yds is the -latest rally call for the ” winston for 2020″ crowd,
That whole regression thing puts the kybash on the very center piece of why bring back winston.
4k is not nearly as impressive as 5k. But it’s far more likely to be able to replace 4k than 5k. Nice work joes. Skipping math classes really is paying off.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:04 am
Maxi-when the turnover machine goes away for good, please go with him. Sick of your idiotic posts. I’ve been a Buc fan longer than you’ve been alive and the ATM is not the answer. Go Bucs!
March 6th, 2020 at 9:07 am
I think Winston is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL let’s give a chance and let him prove it 1 more year. Franchise him this year on a prove it deal. Dalton sucks, Brady and Rivers to old. Rivers and Dalton couldn’t win where they were at so why would we bring them to Tampa. Winston got his eyes fix now give him 1 more chance please. Draft a OT, then a running back to go along with Jones.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:09 am
Regression to the mean must also be applied to TDs (<33/16 games) and fumbles and yards and sacks and converted 3rd downs in the 4th quarter when game is still a 1 score difference in points, being terrible when games are still close, etc.
I would surmise the analytics would suggest Winston is sunk cost and it’s time to start fresh even if he may project out to 20 int’s for 2020.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:11 am
Joe pisses on the game (and his credibility) every time he tries to take his favorite qb and find one example or comparison that justifies #3 woes. Calling Farve an interception artist is just dumb. #3 is looking at recievers for 5 minutes before he throws. When you have a super bowl ring and mvps in your back pocket you may take a bunch of chances. How many times did #3 throw a pick on the 1st drive of the game or 1st play of the half or overtime on a simple out? #3, is trying to become a consistant mid level qb after 5 years…. can we stop with HOF comparisons? Imagine if Farve was a free agent after 5 years, every team would be all over him. Meanwhile, outside of Tampa #3 is being talked about as a back up…. why is that?
March 6th, 2020 at 9:11 am
In his first five years Manning had 12 more picks than Jameis.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:13 am
Check your sheet
awe sorry the truth hurts!!!!!!! your jealous hate is so very cute!!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 9:16 am
Glazers said they want to be the first to play a superbowl in their home stadium. No matter how ambitious or unrealistic that may sound do you really think if they are going all in on that goal with will while trusting winston not to throw double digit picks for the first time in his career?
March 6th, 2020 at 9:17 am
@Jonzey & Eric…no hope for you guys, go watch Soccer
March 6th, 2020 at 9:22 am
Eric, with all due respect…..is annoying comparing JW with Manning…and JW is on his 5 year not his first
March 6th, 2020 at 9:23 am
I don’t know how to explain it, but Jameis seems to suffer from a serious letdown after some really good second quarters in his 16 games. I don’t know whether he gets emotional or physically drained, but his performance is not what it should be.
It sort of reminds me of when Mcnabb and TO were together in Philly and TO would call him out. In Mcnabb’s case , I believe McNabb would become physically drained. Both QB’s played at heavier playing weights with Mcnabb at 240 lbs. and Jameis at 231 lbs. A culmination of hits could also lead to this effect.
In all his 3 rd quarters he only produced 4 TD’s,followed by fourth quarter production of 6 TD’s. In 32 quarters of football. With 10 TD’s. and 13 TO’s in the second half of games Jameis has to play much better in the second half of games.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:25 am
Hey Bruce Blahak,,,,,Does Jameis have anywhere near the team Favre had in 96’…Special Teams (Desmond Howard) and the Defense (Reggie White, Gilbert Brown, Leroy Butler, & Eugene Robinson) were worlds better than the Bucs are today. Not to mention his Offensive Line and Running Backs (Dorsey Levens & Edgar Bennett) make the Bucs look like a D2 College team. Don’t compare the win % Favre has to Winston’s because it is not relevant due to the disparity of the teams. If it was Basketball and comparing players, i could side with your theory on wins due to only 5 on the court. With Football it is too much of a team sport where 11 guys at a time rely on each other.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:26 am
Forgot to mention Jameis came in after the offseason at a heavier playing weight n part to insulate himself from the hits he has absorbed.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:26 am
Wait a minute there is NFL folks who don’t agree with the PeeWee All Stars wow but they don’t know nothing either! Lol
March 6th, 2020 at 9:30 am
Eric,
FYI, everyone knows that already. It’s mentioned about a 30 times a day for the last 2 years.
But keep it up, no one seems to notice how Peyton and Jameis are like identical twins.
Maybe you just have to get better. Post it 40 times a day. They can’t hide from the totally awesome stats master.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:36 am
It is not just the interceptions, it is how he melts down at times. Jameis, with help from the lack of a running game, is totally incapable of slowing down the offense and grinding out a few minutes of the clock.
That allows decent teams the chance to come back. They did, several times. The offense has as big of a job of keeping the opposing offense off the field as the defense does. Jameis might know that, but hasn’t been able to act on it.
At best he is a half of a QB.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:38 am
jennings has been consistent on how he feels with winston on different networks & shows… so i doubt the same media that has been quick to be negative about winston since his days at FSU are now all telling Jennings to be the devil’s advocate & say nice things (no pun intended)
March 6th, 2020 at 9:39 am
Bob,
Good points. But I would point out that last year winston wasn’t much different in terms of production in the 3rd quarter. He was lighter than he is this year. So it’s not the weight.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:42 am
You are jw haters…. It’s not fair!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 9:48 am
Comparing Favre to Winston…yawn. Not the same guy in any way, shape or form. Have seen them both play, and Favre is more accurate. And they played in an era where the D rules were quite different regarding D backs. And the rules regarding hitting a QB were as well.
About the only similarity is that they both like to take chances. Will Jameis grow out of it? How many more years? How many more probowl receivers will it take… HOF O lines? All pro running backs? Buc/Steeler D’s of the past? And if he doesn’t “grow out of it”? Disaster, and possible franchise relocation.
OK Bruce…resign him if you wish. But if you don’t draft a young talent that can replace him is he falters, or a quality back up that can pick up the pieces and run, you aren’t nearly as bright as I think you are.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:56 am
@tmaxipad
Never knew LVD or GMC touched the ball on every play and choked games away with last drive INTs
March 6th, 2020 at 9:56 am
And 3 different coach 3 different systems
March 6th, 2020 at 9:58 am
miken Says:
“Calling Farve an interception artist is just dumb.”
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Spelling his name as Farve…. is “dumb”.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:59 am
You have only had 25 years to get it right.
March 6th, 2020 at 10:00 am
lOOK AT SOME OF THE RECEIVING TOUCHDOWNS. HE WOULD NOT HAVE THE RECEIVING TALENT WITH OTHER TEAMS AND THEY KNOW IT. AT 10M PER YEAR HE IS OVERPAID BASED ON PAST RESULTS.
March 6th, 2020 at 10:01 am
IAMHIM Says:
“I am an idiot and an imposter… It’s not fair!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 10:02 am
passthebuc,
IT’S FASCINATING THAT YOUR ENTIRE POST IS IN CAPS..
except the very first letter.
March 6th, 2020 at 10:04 am
They gonna give him year 2 in a real system with a REAL DEFENSE.
Playoffs in our new unis (no time for these Bums, Tannehill, Bridgewater etc)
JW thru THE MOST TDS in NFC
*last 2 games no ME13 AND CG12
* Young Farve in the making ( he gonna win 2 rings before it’s all said and done)
Ballers KNOW this
Go Bucs!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 10:06 am
As I’ve said for..how many months? Target Jameis at 20 mil. with incentives, with a quality backup or draft pick. And spend elsewhere. If he doesn’t like that? Find employment elsewhere.
March 6th, 2020 at 10:09 am
Jameis two rings? ROTFL… AR and Favre never got two rings. Jameis will be lucky to win two playoff games in a row… or three games in a row against quality opposition. Would be great to see another SB victorious team in Tampa. But Brett Favre part 2? Two SB rings? Where do you guys get such nonsense? Wow.
March 6th, 2020 at 10:32 am
Thats the point you are missing
“He will mature out of that”
His last 2 games is what changed Arians opinion of him
Im sure everyday he was told not to be superman and throw the ball away
And he wouldnt listen …even at the end in winnable games where defense was really balling (when jpp got back)
That is the issue.
Trust issue now
You dont listen to coaches is s bog no no with Arians
March 6th, 2020 at 10:33 am
The Doug Williams Curse is real and we should not renew the curse by letting a QB leave over money again.
March 6th, 2020 at 10:43 am
Please give the Hall of Famer his due… it’s FAVRE! (not Farve)
March 6th, 2020 at 11:09 am
#1 Pick QB 2 Cent Brain Says:
March 6th, 2020 at 9:56 am
@tmaxipad
Never knew LVD or GMC touched the ball on every play and choked games away with last drive INTs
no but they are more known for giving up the booty and 30 points by halftime than they will ever be known for shutouts…. your selective memory and jealousy are so sad…. your blind hatred says a hell of a lot more about your mental makeup than jameis’s….
March 6th, 2020 at 11:13 am
Eric, During those years Manning went to the play-offs how many times? How many times has Winston made it to the Play-offs?
March 6th, 2020 at 11:19 am
Formerly Tampa 2 Says:
March 6th, 2020 at 11:13 am
Eric, During those years Manning went to the play-offs how many times? How many times has Winston made it to the Play-offs?
manning never stood a chance in the playoffs with the 1 dimensional career post season losing clown dungy running the show. nfl fixed the clowns championship by making sure bad character lovie and rex grossmen were his opponents…. feel good stories are more important than greatness.
March 6th, 2020 at 11:33 am
I’ll tell you exactly who he is .
Jameis Winston 2019 interceptions:
25 with clean pocket (most in NFL)
23 within 1 possession (most)
22 targeting WRs (most)
19 when trailing (most)
17 vs zone defenses (most)
13 vs man defenses (most)
13 vs blitz (most)
11 on 3rd down (most)
10 in 4th quarter (most)
March 6th, 2020 at 11:43 am
813bucboi Says:
March 5th, 2020 at 2:59 pm
check those stats……
when JW plays a full 16game season he averages 20 INTs(15,18,30)
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LOL….i just mentioned this yesterday…..
joe you’re smoking rocks if you think a QB with 30TDs and 20INTs is:now you’re talking about one helluva quarterback.
joe, the trend you need to pay attention to is every year JW has started 16games, his INT total has gone up!!!!!!!…..
JW has been in the top5 in INTs every year he’s played 16games…..that wont change…..and we havent even discussed the fumbles….lol…
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 11:43 am
Fun Fact: Payton Manning also had 111 turnovers in his first 5 years.
March 6th, 2020 at 11:49 am
813
you need to calm the hell down pal… you are not out of the ice box yet after your historic crash defending vhs3bust… people in glass houses should not throw rocks pal and your house was recently shattered with your blind support of vh3bust…. you have what they call a credibility issue!
March 6th, 2020 at 11:52 am
HE GONE!
March 6th, 2020 at 12:15 pm
20 interceptions is still waaaay too much for a playoff bound (aspiring) team!
March 6th, 2020 at 12:18 pm
tmax
obviously you missed the article about safety being 1 of the weakest positions on the team…..lol….
also, i stick up for all bucs players until they give me a reason not to…..when VHG didnt hustle to make the tackle vs TENN, i called him out for it…..and once he was released i said, peace out, it is what it is, another team will pick him up…..and they did….and he came back and got a W in RAYJAY along with playing in the playoffs….LOL…
everybody on this site has”credibility issues” because no one is inside OBP…..LOL….
you’ve been wrong plenty of time……now is a perfect example…..lol….
but its cool….
we all know you have MENTAL ISSUES!!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 12:29 pm
813
Ive never bern wrong…..
March 6th, 2020 at 12:38 pm
The turnovers piss me off. Even one is frustrating but I like Jameis and want to see him next season. I believe another year under BA should fix him enough to get the Bucs to the playoffs and beyond. Fingers crossed anyway.
March 6th, 2020 at 4:50 pm
ok to sign Jameis but make it a small small contract and get a quarterback late in the draft like James Morgan or Jalen Hurts. Jameis will have to be given a run game and o-line run game improvement.Byron Leftwich needs to recognize which plays need to be off the table as too risky for Jameis. Address all of that and he probably would be more successful.
March 6th, 2020 at 6:57 pm
“And 3 different coach 3 different systems”
Jonzey.
That’s false! No need to go further.
If it was, boo…f ing hooo. No one gives a crap.
Well ….winstonites certainly care. Not about accuracy or facts but they care.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:09 pm
I’m starting to believe that many of the posters know more about pro football than the writers of these articles. All they are doing is bringing up what other media people are saying about Winston. If you listen to most fans that have been watching the game for years, they see what Jameis is, a raw talent that never refined his game.
Is it all his fault? not really, instead of learning from a good veteran quarterback and spending a few years on the bench, Winston was left on his own accord to continually make mistake after mistake without the consequence of a competitor at QB, ready to take over when he was throwing pick 6’s and missing open receivers.
Being a backup is where this has all led to. If other teams really wanted him, the Bucs wouldn’t be letting him dangle like they are.
It certainly looks like his time has with the Bucs has come. Just another talented athlete that didn’t learn how to play the game by paying his dues.