Run Game = Better Jameis
March 1st, 2020
Run game hurting QB.
Now Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians has already blasted the spreadsheeters and expressed his disdain for the numbers crowd.
Joe enjoys Arians’ take and sort of leans towards Arians. If a coach is simply and solely leaning on stats to make decisions, he is likely to dig his career grave.
But stats are information. Nothing more nothing less. Information is valuable, no? One should not be a slave to stats but completely ignoring them isn’t smart either.
That brings Joe to numbers dug up by Scott Spratt of Football Outsiders. Now an old school (if not wise) coach like Arians likely knows a good run game helps a quarterback. Or at least the threat of a run should help a quarterback. Always has and always will.
That’s why reading the following from Spratt is so frustrating to Joe. In short, when teams know Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, is going to throw the ball, that’s when Jameis gets into trouble.
Incumbent quarterback Jameis Winston has been particularly sensitive to the downs and distances of his pass attempts. His aggressive nature has led him to a 4.0% career interception rate on obvious passing downs (which I’m defining here as first-down attempts with at least 11 yards to go, second-down attempts with at least 7 yards to go, and third- and fourth-down attempts with at least 3 yards to go). That’s 34th of the 34 quarterbacks with at least 1,000 attempts since 2015 and 54% worse than the league average of 2.6%. In contrast, Winston has produced a palatable interception rate of 2.9% on other downs and distances, fifth worst and just 38% worse than the league average of 2.1%. Winston has been unable to cut down on his turnovers on his own in his five-year career, so if the Bucs want to continue to rely on him at quarterback — which is not a given since he is also a free agent — they should aim to minimize his plays with increased turnover potential.
Now Joe wants to go off on Arians here but Joe is catching himself. Maybe Arians needed a full season of data to conclude Jameis needs a running game? Or was Arians actually conned in practice that he thought the Bucs had a running back who could take over a game?
This charade that Arians used in Indianapolis last week that the Bucs running backs are “solid” is just outrageous, especially when every half-arse drunk chugging Big Storm Brewing beers watching Bucs games knows the running backs aren’t worth two spits.
Do people really believe Tom Brady is going to come to a team that willingly ignores the running back position, one that lets defenders pin their ears back and pummel the quarterback snap after snap?
Be real!
March 1st, 2020 at 8:08 am
Tom Brady would get to fill in the first draft card if he came here.
March 1st, 2020 at 8:21 am
Agree with Steve the hater for once. If they ever get a convo with Brady he would lay out his criteria. He isn’t coming to Tampa though. I thought they would bring back JW for a second year but I guess not. Arians really couldn’t bring him back after trashing him all week in Indy. If I had to guess they will probably ending up trading a 3rd rounder to go get Dalton and boy that is exciting lol.
March 1st, 2020 at 8:24 am
Any moron knows a balanced offense is needed and that is being effective in both run and pass. One can hardly call Arians wise for seeing this. In fact, he’s the guy who thinks his RBs are good. He must be seeing something from that golf cart the rest of the world misses. As for Jameis, whether throws the ball half the time or 75% of the time, it’s his propensity to make decisions, even when there is little pass rush, that always keeps the other team in the game. Interceptions. Jameis is a risky guy for a critical position. He’s not improved, and arguably has regressed. Bucs fans need to stop talking themselves into the notion that year six will be better.
March 1st, 2020 at 8:32 am
Isn’t it hilarious how the nut huggers will throw stats at you like 33 touchdowns or 5000 yards. But the moment 30 interceptions, a 5 year record of 28-42 by a #1 overall pick QB, and no playoffs come up, they shout it down and call you ignorant.
Bring back the turnover machine and see how many excuses Joe. He’ll never win a damn thing here, or anywhere for that matter. He’s a total bust.
Jamoist = Failure
March 1st, 2020 at 8:32 am
Jameis coming back for a sixth year is a possibility if he is the QB of last resort. On the Bucs side, how dumb they will look if they bring him back and he is still the INT king. There is merit to be had by both Arians and Licht saying in their eval, “hey we tried , he’s not getting it and should be now, let’s move on.” It let’s Lichgt save some cred and preserves Arians reputation. Arians doesn’t want to ride out a failure nor does Licht want to make one last fatal bet when Winston comes back and blows it. And the Glazers don’t want to face the fans they have left. Consider this…if they were keeping Winston, would they, from a marketing sense, change the uniforms now? This all smells like “turn the page” and the Bucs have anough cash they can pretty get any FA QB they want…unless that FA just refuses to play for the Bucs. And the only guy that could be is maybe Brady. Like Arians, he needs his rep, not cash in any way.
March 1st, 2020 at 8:34 am
I’ve been saying this from day one…..and ALL the local media gives Licht a complete pass. The red flags on Winston were inconsistent and turnover prone…..his best chance of success was a stout line, excellent run game and top tier defense. Instead Licht went full blown “weapons for Winston” and we’ve seen the results. THREE LAST PLACE FINISHES….ONE WINNING SEASON….ZERO PLAYOFF TRIPS. Its well documented how little we invested in the d-line….but with three years of premium picks, we have a weak a$$ offensive line when it comes to running the ball. Licht is clueless in roster design….he has ZERO vision and while I’ve never been a fan of Winston, I do believe he could have been positioned better with a roster tailored for his deficiencies vs one that highlights them. SIX years of drafts and Licht cant find a starting/3 down back? Or even a kicker for that matter……Teams find both of those positions on the streets routinely that become productive starters….its a joke.
This is where we now sit…..Its all or nothing time because the Glazers will strip this thing down to rebuild mode if results aren’t produced in the next year or two. There wont be another high profile staff coming aboard, it will be promotions of Leftwich and Bowles, just like with Koetter….just like with Raheem. That’s what cheap owners of a small market team do.
March 1st, 2020 at 8:42 am
Jameis has had his ups and downs in his career but our unwillingness to run the football in the last 4 years has done more harm than good…
The real question for me is Why is this ok?? I was always taught that a running game keeps a defense honest…
You have a very young QB who’s a well documented gunslinger…Imo the first thing you do is pair him with a dominant running game; we went the opposite direction…smh…
Yes, Jameis should be held accountable for the turnovers but the GM and the last 2 coaching staffs have to accept some of the blame as well…
March 1st, 2020 at 8:44 am
I put Bridgewater or Rivers as high in probability of coming here as I do them going to IND. IND is cold but has indoor weather. IND is probably viewed on a wider basis as being closer to winning a championship than the Bucs. Both teams are awash in cash for now. However, Indiana has a 3+% state income tax rate and is a cold weather state while Florida has none and has family activities abound. The Bucs have top tier receivers and Bruce Arians has stated “Rivers is just a winner.” He hasn’t said that of Winston, who is not a winner. He’s commented in the past how well Bridgewater protects the football. Can’t say that about Winston. It is pretty much a done deal given latest comments that the Bucs want Winston to hit free agency and he might get the deal he wants. But I don’t see any other team offering Winston the starter job outright. Think about this too. It is a fact Winston is not worth tag money…transition or franchise….and Winston allegedly has said he doesn’t want the tag. “Fine” the Bucs could say. And he could crawling back for more.
March 1st, 2020 at 8:51 am
Has the FIRST Rumor of another team being interested in Jamyth been published on the World Wide Web ?….
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silence speaks volumes
March 1st, 2020 at 8:51 am
Let’s talk about Winston’s torn neniscus and surgery. With the wonders of modern medicine, a meniscus tear, often called a bucket handle tear, is one of the hardest things to address with certainty. Sometimes all surgeons can do is clean up the outside, inject some synthetics to promote cartiledge and other tissue growth, and physical therapy. But there is a risk it will never be the same. Winston is not exceedingly mobile but he is pretty good about dancing and dodging pass rushers. With his long windup and slow release, any degradation in that knee can really cost him. Either way, other than Bridgewater, I don’t see any FA QB as a possible long term solution. But if they land Teddy, and keep Gabbert (gag) and/or Griffen, they have a few years before having to start over at QB again. That gets them back to focus on O line and pass rush. Not too shabby of a plan. Bring back Winston for one or two years, and he is the same, lose more fans, and back to square one. Think about it.
March 1st, 2020 at 8:51 am
AJ Dillon who is a 6’0″ 247 Lb RB might be available in the 4th round. He’s also pretty quick for a big guy. Dillon recorded the top vertical jump (41 inches) and best broad jump (10 feet, 11 inches or 131″) among the running backs. He also ran a surprising 4.53 40.
Those scores at the combine show an explosiveness that’s rare for a big guy. Look out Derrick Henry.
Red zone, short yardage or 4 minute drill can be a strong point for the Bucs this year.
March 1st, 2020 at 8:54 am
5 years of losing is the most important stat on Winston. Hope that Winston does well, on another team.
March 1st, 2020 at 9:00 am
I agree pick6
March 1st, 2020 at 9:00 am
That would make Tom B. (The whole kit and caboodle)
March 1st, 2020 at 9:02 am
Here’s another theory….
Maybe the QB plays a roll in the lack of running game and efficiency in general?
We never know how the professionals view the film and statistical data in full. Examples include line checks, reroutes pre-snap, defensive gaming pre-snap etc. (See Drew Brees for mastery). Fans see a bad running game and want to blame the 600 running backs as bad. Yet the Pats bring Joe Schmo in and they all go to town, and that could be the Brady effect. Brees is the best pre-snap QB in the league IMO, he controls the opposing defense. Sit down with Lavonte David and ask him about that frustration.
The layers of the unknown are deeper folks. My 2 cents.
March 1st, 2020 at 9:03 am
Tommy terrific has had a great O-line and some kind of a good running game in his decades in NE. Without that on the Bucs, can the 42 year old still be the GOAT? Would Rivers be anything more than Jameis with 10 more years “experience?” Could Jameis ever grow out of it?
The draft needs are RT, RB and D-line/edge in any order depending how the draft falls the day of. The numbers back it up, so without investment in the run game, any franchise tag or FA moves are rearranging the deck chairs on a this ship’s doomed voyage.
March 1st, 2020 at 9:10 am
Very good chance the CBA passes, and if it does, the Bucs will have a franchise tag only and not a transition tag. Would they tag Winston and owe him $27M? Not a chance. Should they tag Barret? No. Sign him up for five years. They have the money to do that, bring back JPP, Nassib, and maybe even Suh, AND sign a guy like Rivers or even Bridgewater. Many say the Bucs negative talk on Winston could be smokescreen, but a team that intends to franchse tag a player has no reason to diminish a player they want to keep at least another year. They just do it. Another reason why Winston is not in the Bucs primary plan.
March 1st, 2020 at 9:14 am
Go back and watch every Bucs running play from 2019. All up the middle, offense never spread out, and for the first half of the season damn near every first down was a run. The defense knowing when Jamies is going to pass is process of elimination. It’s so painfully obvious when and where they are running the ball that the defense studies the film and see’s how Leftwich cannot scheme his running backs open.
Rojo is a huge play waiting to happen and everyone wants to spend another second round pick on a rb. Could you imagine if we had Christian Mccaffrey on this team? He would be an average rb statistically with the way Leftwich is calling the plays.
It also doesn’t help that every pass has to be 15 to 20 yards down the field. I love the big chunk plays but keeping the defense off balance and sprinkling in short yardage plays that eat up the clock would be nice. Leftwich sucks and will ruin the dreams chances just like Smityy did for Koetter. I dint care if its Arians playbook, its not Arians calling the plays. Give two men chess boards with the same pieces they will play to completely different games.
Leftwich sucks.
March 1st, 2020 at 9:16 am
In 2002, Brad Johnson was asked to throw an average of 43 times/game (supported by the 27th ranked rushing attack), and his TD/Int was 22-6.
In 2019, Winston was asked to throw an average of 39 times/game (Supported by the 24th ranked rushing attack), and his TD/Int was 33-30.
Does a good rushing attack help a team? Absolutely! But if anything, a bad running game should make the QB even more careful with the ball. If you’re putting all your eggs in one basket, it better not have a large hole in the bottom.
I have to wonder if the game has not yet slowed down for Winston. Jeff George and Ryan Leaf were great college QBs with all the physical abilities an NFL QB needs. But they were never able to get used to the speed of the pro game.
March 1st, 2020 at 9:18 am
Less INTs = Better Jamies period
Turnovers are a game changer.
Especially in Overtime
March 1st, 2020 at 9:20 am
Bucs have a great DLine now. Invest the cap $ to keep it- it makes no sense to let any of those players leave so you can spend $ on other FA’s . – That would be really dumb.
Invest draft in running game- OLine and RB and draft a safety
March 1st, 2020 at 9:23 am
Knowing that they want Gabbert back makes one wonder the mindset of Arians.
Does he go the same route as Chucky and go all veterans or does Arians have a favorite to draft and trust Gabbert to win games as he bring the rookies along…
The only thing for sure is as long as it isn’t JW again, then at the least it will be refreshing to believe the Bucs can start to win some meaningful games without the main position losing it for us at the end!
March 1st, 2020 at 9:28 am
But stats are information. Nothing more nothing less
Hardly….
Stats are of paramount importance because they are a record of performance…..and most everything is based on performance…….wins, losses, yardage, turnovers, tackles, sacks, penalties, fumbles…..all stats….
To ignore stats is to ignore history and to ignore history is foolish.
March 1st, 2020 at 9:30 am
But stats are information. Nothing more nothing less
Hardly….
Stats are of paramount importance because they are a record of performance…..and most everything is based on performance…….wins, losses, yardage, turnovers, tackles, sacks, penalties, fumbles…..all stats….
To ignore stats is to ignore history and to ignore history is foolish.
March 1st, 2020 at 9:35 am
Now hawk, go back and watch the 2002 tape. Johnson was a game manager with one of, if not the best, defense of all time. Most of Johnson’s passes were of the dink and dunk variety that were almost the equivalent of running the ball. Winston is being asked to throw deep, high variance passes all game every game. There is a big difference between the two.
March 1st, 2020 at 9:46 am
Brady ain’t coming to Tampa boys Jameis will be here and he literally would be unstoppable with a great top 10 RB
March 1st, 2020 at 9:59 am
I really don’t expect Arians or Licht to tip us off about their draft plans.
In fact, I do expect them to go after Conklin because landing him would free them up in the first round to make other moves.
So yes, I understand Arians downplaying any needs at any position.
If anything, his openness about quarterback is probably misdirection.
March 1st, 2020 at 10:03 am
I agree with Ghost. AJ Dillon in the 4th. Patrick Taylor Jr can be your fall back if Dillon isn’t available. Both of these are bruising type RBs.
I would love to get a 2nd and 4th round pick for OJ. Possible trade partners are Jags, Colts, Titans, Seahawks and Packers according to the experts on draft needs. Pats don’t have a 2nd round pick. Bears have two 2nd picks, but no 1st rd pick, so I doubt they’ll trade one of them for Howard.
March 1st, 2020 at 10:20 am
Alanbucsfan Says:
Bucs have a great DLine now
That’s pretty hilarious considering they played well less than half the season and the majority of the line is unsigned…. bucfans say the dumbest things they are so desperate and so lost when it comes to the definitions of good, great and legendary…
Nothing about this defense is fixed…. raise your standards fools….
March 1st, 2020 at 10:31 am
Draft Jonathon Taylor at 14 and watch how Jameis improves. A 4.39 40 monster with hands? Please.
March 1st, 2020 at 10:31 am
give brady some ownership in the team to get him here…lol
March 1st, 2020 at 10:32 am
You people are living in denial if you think a top free agent qb would consider this failed franchise. Rivers, brady and bridgwater will all have much better options. Pull your heads out people playing for the bucs is a last resort and a complete disgrace not an honor or a preferred destination. This team has not won a meaningful game in nearly two decades and has far more questions than answers on both sides of the ball. You act like this minor leaguefranchise is 1 player away yet they dont even have 9 quality nfl startes under contract for next season. …. you people might be delusional enough to buy into BA and his BS even though his team building track record is garbage at best. None of those fa QBs will buy his bs… you people swallow the kool aid year and are nutpunched by week 4 every year… you love the punishment
March 1st, 2020 at 10:34 am
Exactly Joe!!!
March 1st, 2020 at 10:40 am
Draft Taylor at 14 then Hurts at 45 tell Game is to take a hike. Use money to build defense.
March 1st, 2020 at 10:42 am
The biggest STAT in weighing the return of Jameis is his salary cap hit divided by wins and interceptions……his market is the same as Mariota’s not elite NFL QB money…
March 1st, 2020 at 10:45 am
Sorry, TDTB, but most of Winston’s ints are on the short/mid range passes. You know, the dink and dunk kind.
I’m just concerned that the game hasn’t slowed down for him.
March 1st, 2020 at 10:53 am
it is pretty obvious no run game has hurt jameis in his career but it is hardly the only reason. arians calling them solid is clearly coachspeak. i am sure they understand this needs to be addressed, whoever is under center.
March 1st, 2020 at 10:57 am
I like AJ Dillon too but he wont be there in the 4th…3rd at latest imo.
Trade down 1 or 2 times….
FS Delpit
RB Clyde Edwards
WR Chase Claypool (after trading back into 2nd)
RT Bartch
QB Gordon
RB Patrick Taylor jr.
Thats where im at. Now if Love, Simmons or Brown made it to us (they wont) that changes things.
I also wouldnt mind Becton or Epenesa at 14 if we dont trade down.
March 1st, 2020 at 11:05 am
sorry but 2.9% is pretty lousy too
March 1st, 2020 at 11:26 am
Two comments to address this never ending issue. I think it is obvious that a running game will help Winston or Mickey Mouse if he plays QB for Buc’s. Wether we get one or not is yet to be seen.
Second “Stats,” are totally dependent on who is holding the pencil. The only Stats that are certain are the ones that conform to the universal constant “N” which when applied to statical data state without exception this data will apply in every situation without exception. I.E. The physical, mental, and athletic attributes of OJ Howard WILL result in a Pro Bowl TE in all cases. We all know this is BS and a deceptive Stat.
March 1st, 2020 at 11:26 am
I am firm believer that it’s not the running back talent it’s the offensive line. How many times have we seen the running back hit behind the line of scrimmage? Winston was sacked 47 times, 47 TIMES! The offensive line is terrible and needs upgrading or a heck of a lot better coaching.
March 1st, 2020 at 11:29 am
Skip …. many of those sacks were not as a result of the OL getting overwhelmed, some where, often Jameis holds on and runs around
March 1st, 2020 at 11:40 am
It would take a lot more than a better run game to fix Jameis. I would like to see a run game that made it past the line of scrimmage more than twice a game, though.
Trade down in round one and take top safety there.
With an extra second round pick, take top RB and top QB(hopefully Fromm).
If no great QB there take an IDL.
3rd round: QB like Gordon or Morgan or RT if you already got Fromm
March 1st, 2020 at 11:50 am
Joe one positive with all the laughable BS that comes from way past his prime BA, is that you have tons of good material to make fun of him for years to come when is lovie 2.0 implodes and sets this franchise back another decade
I love how confident bucfan is in a man with ZERO track record of building a champion. BA is a washed up Robin not a stand alone superhero
March 1st, 2020 at 11:50 am
RUN GAME = BETTER ANY QB
I’ve been saying for a while now that the only way to cut down on Winston’s turnovers is to have him throw the ball a whole lot less.
Gotta remember that the Ravens won a Superbowl with Dilfer at QB because of a great defense and a solid, ball control running game.
And let’s face it, Dilfer was horrible
March 1st, 2020 at 11:51 am
I was a Winston hater since his days at FSU. When draft draft was here I prayed for the BUCS not to draft him I knew he was RECKLESS on and off the field. But in honesty the poor guy is pressured into trying to force situations because he does not have a half decent running back that can take the pressure off of him. Maybe theBUCS should their first round draft choice for a running back and second round on offensive line to have stunning g game and keep him I cant believe I would say that.
March 1st, 2020 at 11:54 am
The bucs offense is so predictable the defense knows when they’re going to run they know when they’re going to pass we let the defense takeover Jameis is a second string quarterback mama’s boy we need to sign taysom Hill quarterback from New Orleans he’s got run potential past potential NFL experience not a rookie quarterback then we need to start running back Jonathan Taylor Wisconsin fastest man alive check the combine 441 we need studs on this team not Mama’s boys
March 1st, 2020 at 11:58 am
Hawk – thanks for bringing up those stats. Interesting.
My biggest problem with JW is his poor situational football ranking (bottom 3rd). We will still need him for big plays, regardless of an improved running game. I don’t trust him.
I think that’s why fans are so polarized and passionate about JW. For some it’s impossible to overlook the on field and off field issues of the past. For others, it’s like they never happened and only see potential.
Either way, I’m a Bucs fan first. So if he or someone else is our QB, I’ll support it.
And TMin – take your endless disgusting attitude and find another team.
In BA I Trust!
March 1st, 2020 at 11:59 am
It’s interesting to read how so many are Buc “fans” are willing to cut bait and move on by making a temporary decision that is going to leave the team right back where it was 6-10yrs ago. Let’s not forget when we drafted Jameis we were the WORST team in football! Not to mention, that over the entirety of his Buc career he has literally had to carry the team for the 28 wins he does have on his record.
Zero run game (with the exception of his Rookie year, Doug Martin 1,400yds), a defend that couldn’t hold water (until the end of last year) and now on his 3rd coach in 5 years yet he is still producing AND keeping this team competitive.
Arians has consistently gone on record saying it takes at least 1 year to learn his system. Palmer, Luck, Jameis it doesn’t matter…. and YES even Brady. Not to mention he has only been in 1 system his entire career…. what makes you think he’ll come here and immediately light it up, because he’s Brady. He doesn’t know the offense, the receivers or tight ends and is one hit away from being done at this stage in his career (especially being our line). Does Arians want to waste another year and wait until year 3 to get the team where he desires for them to be?
Also, if you listen when asked, Arians leads with a statement that is always pointing to a comeback before shifting to all of the other none sense every keeps talking about.
I believe this is a ploy to try and drive down the price. However, if they make another decision to set this franchise back yet again, they’ll never get another dollar from me.
March 1st, 2020 at 12:03 pm
*behind our line
March 1st, 2020 at 12:04 pm
BA would be a great used car salesman…he could sale you a lemon without even blinking…
During training camp we were told “the secondary is totally fixed”…only to finish the season as one of the worst teams against the pass…
I like BA but you can’t necessarily bank on everything he says… Like finding out he wasn’t gonna call plays until after he was hired was a real bummer for me personally…I wonder if that question came up during his interview or if Jason just assumed he’d be calling plays…
March 1st, 2020 at 12:08 pm
D. Henry’s 2019 first 6 games with M. Mariota, 416 yds, 3.7 avg, 4TD’s
D. Henry’s 2019 last 9 games with R. Tannehill 1124 yds, 5.9 avg 12 TD’s, plus a monster post season.
New QB = Better running game
March 1st, 2020 at 12:13 pm
You can say this about any QB and it’d be true. Jameis is going to make some great throws. No doubt. But a better run game isnt going to stop all the ridiculously stupid throws that all the fan boys look past and blame on everyone else. Jameis is turnover prone and the only thing thats going to fix that is Jameis. Nothing else. I dont think he can and I dont think he will. At this point, he is who he is.
March 1st, 2020 at 12:17 pm
Sport o
Im accurate…. Hardly disgusting maybe you should raise your standards…. trusting a senile old fool way past his prime, especially one who had never built a winner says a lot about you sir… you’re a special kind of special…. reality is not that scary ….
March 1st, 2020 at 12:22 pm
As every coach has said, He has to learn to live to play another down, I.e. he knows that if he doesn’t out score the other team they lose
March 1st, 2020 at 12:35 pm
Good run game=Fewer passes=fewer interceptions??? I think one could argue that all 32 starting QB’s regardless of the number of interceptions are accountable for a few stupid throws.
March 1st, 2020 at 12:49 pm
Sport O
No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.
Plato and tmaxcon
March 1st, 2020 at 1:03 pm
Now this is a perfect example of what Joe learned in high school. You can take numbers and twist them any way you want to prove your bias.
Never mind that Mariota couldn’t throw downfield so teams loaded the box every play.
Has about as much to do with Jameis as what coffee Joe drinks on a lazy Sunday morning.
March 1st, 2020 at 1:10 pm
What coffee does the joe drink on lazy Sunday mornings?
March 1st, 2020 at 1:28 pm
Community coffee.
March 1st, 2020 at 1:35 pm
You inadvertently made a huge case against Jameis here. He is 34th out of 34 quarterbacks at throwing picks in passing downs…. Let that sink in. It’s not about a lack of running game, it’s about a quarterback who is DEAD LAST when it comes to not turning the ball over.
March 1st, 2020 at 1:35 pm
One buc 55 what were you watching? The first half.of the season they were horrible, but the second half of the season they were drastically improved in the secondary
March 1st, 2020 at 1:44 pm
They are talking him down in public and asking him to come back for a team friendly contract behind closed doors so they can bring back the defensive free agents. They don’t want him to hit the free angecy market because teams with a solid running back that need a Quarterback with a cannon are looking at Winston.
If the Bucs had picked Dalvin Cook instead of O.J. Howard this would not be a discussion.
March 1st, 2020 at 1:53 pm
What about our running backs facing eight man front more often than the league average? Teams want Jameis to throw it bc of the opportunity for turn overs and points is greater than with anyone else the past five years.
March 1st, 2020 at 2:05 pm
I thought Jameis would be skinnier eating W’s…
March 1st, 2020 at 2:16 pm
Jameis had a 100 yard rusher and his fewest attempts in Week 17 yet still turned it over multiple times this notion of a run game to his his dumb decisions is just false
March 1st, 2020 at 2:16 pm
Hawk I’m not sure where you’re getting your info from dude but Brad Johnson did not attempt 43 throws per game in 2002. It was quite a bit less, actually, with 34 throws per game. 471 attempts and started 13 games. The very next year he started all 16 games and the attempts/pergame went up to only 35 and he threw 21 picks, so it’s not exactly the greatest example. Running games help QB’s period, ESPECIALLY QB’s who are established gunslingers.
March 1st, 2020 at 2:24 pm
As empty vessels make the loudest sound, so they that have least with are the greatest babblers. – Plato
March 1st, 2020 at 2:24 pm
“What coffee does the Joe drink on lazy Sunday mornings?”
Chock Full of Bucs
March 1st, 2020 at 2:34 pm
How is this a Jameis promotional peice? So he 34th on the qb list on interceptions when expected to pass, and he is 38% above the average when they aren’t expecting it. That is BAD on both counts. sure, one is less BAD than the other, but that obviously isn’t the problem, it might minimize the problem to maybe get a wild card spot, but not enough to be a winning team, or make it in the playoffs.
March 1st, 2020 at 2:59 pm
Thanks, PriMech. I must have transcribed the wrong number. It is 34.7 (35) attempts avg. Still not that far off compared to interceptions (6-30).
Since certain people want to cherry-pick years to compare Winston to other QBs, it’s only fair that everyone gets to cherry-pick the comparison. It was almost a tongue-in-cheek attempt to show there is doesn’t have to be a correlation between a running game and interceptions.
March 1st, 2020 at 3:29 pm
All good man. Either way I’ll certainly agree that it does not excuse the absurd number of int’s (30), and while I don’t necessarily think Winston will ever be a guy to only throw 6 in a season, I do wholeheartedly believe that if he had the threat of a running game the narrative would be drastically different. Every defender knows if you can stack the box anytime you want and shut down a lethargic running game then they can start jumping routes left and right. That’s where play action comes in, and they were ranked in the bottom 5 this year of teams who utilized it.
March 1st, 2020 at 3:32 pm
So, more specifically, my point is that the running game doesn’t DIRECTLY affect the passing game, but rather INDIRECTLY benefits the passing game by way of keeping defenses honest with play action. Being ranked in the bottom 5 of teams who use play action and asking your QB to throw 40 times is a$s backwards. It’s also the reason he threw so many picks inside 10-15 yards.
March 1st, 2020 at 3:42 pm
1) RT and our top TEs were usually a liability in running game.
2) RoJo is no chump. He popped nicely in year 2 and should get even better.
3) Jameis decision making problems are so numerous that a top running game would only modestly help him.
So, focus on improving OL early and grabbing a complementary RB later in draft… but don’t assume the resulting improvement to running game will suddenly “fix” the QB.
March 1st, 2020 at 4:31 pm
Oh Tmin… opinions are not truth, no matter how you sell it to yourself.
In BA I Trust!
March 1st, 2020 at 4:34 pm
WestChap
When a QB is literally elite on designed plays outside the pocket
and you rank in the bottom 5 of teams who utilize play action
and you have just one 100 yard rushing performance once every 2 years or so and also have multiple games every year where said QB is the leading rusher with 40+ attempts
It would absolutely be more than a ‘modest’ improvement if you were to provide the opposite of those things.
What we’re talking about here is exacerbating the flaws of a player versus magnifying strengths.
March 1st, 2020 at 4:56 pm
Joe I think it’s a copout to say the Bucs ignored RB(at least last year).
Seems obvisous that their main priority was fixing the defense & they had to spend almost all of their investments to that side of the ball.
Bruce was taking over for one of the worst defenses ever to play the game. Had to do what he had to do.
Now if they don’t go get a RB this off-season. Or maybe even 2 RBs then yes they are ignoring that position. For now I’m happy with the decisions they made last year. They succeeded in turning the defense around. If that side keeps progressing we got a chance now.
March 1st, 2020 at 5:31 pm
The colts are closer to a super bowl then Tampa lol ya ok
March 1st, 2020 at 5:33 pm
The colts are closer to a super bowl then Tampa lol ya ok that’s funny don’t the colts pick ahead of Tampa
March 1st, 2020 at 5:50 pm
I keep hearing that U2 song playing off in the (DISTANCE)!!!! HAHAHAHA.
March 1st, 2020 at 7:50 pm
I don’t think that Walter Payton in his prime would cure Jameis of making blindingly stupid plays on a regular basis, but ya never know. We’ve needed a difference maker at running back for a long time and I have 0 faith that we will get one this year.
March 2nd, 2020 at 8:45 pm
I think Joe has a permanent hard-on for Jameis Winston I’ve never read a reporter who constantly has something negative to say about a particular person on the team I mean constantly and you sheep go right along with it a bad 30 interception throwing Jameis Winston is better than a 2019 version of Tom Brady you know it you just won’t admit it