Bruce Arians: 2020 With Jameis Would Mean “Really Tough Love”
March 6th, 2020
Fans and media never really know what goes on behind the scenes.
It’s important to realize that coaches and general managers say all kinds of BS all the time. They believe that’s part of their job, so when Joe gets “intel,” well, Joe typically is very skeptical.
(However, that cynicism wasn’t in play when Joe announced on Jan. 4, 2019, that the Bucs had decided on a new coach and would announce it four days later. Boy, what fun it was to see other local media whine like infants, scream fake news, and Twitter innuendo without the balls to name Joe. What a special bunch.)
Joe brings up behind-the-scenes unknown today because of Bucco Bruce Arians’ recent commentary on FOX Sports.
How did the Bucs handle Jameis last season when he made bad mistakes? That’s unclear. The only obvious truth is that the Bucs didn’t want Jameis looking over his shoulder at an A-list backup quarterback or a talented rookie, so maybe because of that they were more gentle on him from Day 1 in a new system.
Arians was asked, “How long does Bruce Arians the mentor put your arms around Jameis and when does it become tough love with Jameis?”
His reply, “Oh, if we stay in this direction, it’d be really tough love this year,” Arians replied. “I mean, it was a lot of it last year. I thought Byron Leftwich did a great job with him. Clyde Christensen, his deep ball accuracy was tremendously improved. Still, some of those decisions we’ve got to fix.”
Joe continues to find it noteworthy that it always feels like Arians, when speaking publicly, puts a huge, whopping share of the blame on Jameis versus on the heralded quarterback gurus around him.
Will tougher love be important for Jameis 2020? Arians seems to think so.
March 6th, 2020 at 4:21 pm
Welcome back jameis
March 6th, 2020 at 4:29 pm
Why is that noteworthy? The organization and coaches have given him everything he could possibly need to succeed. The Buccaneers staff has some of the greatest minds in football history, and those coaches coached some of the greatest QB in modern history. With those resumes the problem isn’t with the coaching. This organization has done everything to help Jay-Miss grow as a QB and the end result after all that work and coaching is a guy that is **still** turnover prone.
No matter what the decision is, the thing the fans and the media need to keep in mind is that when it comes to football BA and his staff are smarter than all of us.
March 6th, 2020 at 4:32 pm
eh, 20-22 mill ok then.
March 6th, 2020 at 4:33 pm
If so, we need a very good backup QB.
March 6th, 2020 at 4:38 pm
so, IF..and thats a BIG IF JW comes back, he’ll have a short leash….
good news JWnuthuggers, IF and thats a BIG IF JW returns, he wont throw 30INTs….lol….
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 4:42 pm
sounds like BA is telling JW, if we strike out on brady, bridgewater, carr, tannehile , we’ll offer you a cheap deal and i’ll have a quick hook….lol….
we all saw how JW performed under pressure in 2019…..lol….another year wont make a difference…..
GO BUCS!!!!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 4:44 pm
BA put a lot of Blame on Jameis bc Jameis is mostly to blame. So sick of this …”well he’s a risk taker, he’s a gunslinger. NO, he makes some reall really dumb throws. 30 INTS… Guy threw 7 in the 1st 3 minutes of agame and 2 in the first 3 minutes of the 2nd half and one in the first second of OT. Thats 10 picks when you are just suspossed to execute a simple short pass… come on man! Those aren’t from trying to make it happen,its from bad throws and staring at recievers.
March 6th, 2020 at 4:46 pm
Tough love for 4 games, until the Jameis brain melts. Six games until they try to trade him and cut him.
March 6th, 2020 at 5:00 pm
BA is a laughable joke nothing more….
March 6th, 2020 at 5:04 pm
Well put 813.
Tell those silly Nuthuggers what they need to hear.
March 6th, 2020 at 5:08 pm
Oh miken don’t you worry……For sure there’s an excuse for each and every one of those. Bet your ass on that one buddy.
I mean Winston got picked at least twice on freaking screen passes. A freaking screen. And still we get a excuse……..And the sad part is that no other QB in the league gets any excuse for plays like that…….And you know why they don’t get a excuse? Cause they don’t need one. They throw the ball into the dirt like they are taught.
That’s where the nugglers do more harm the good to the fanbase. When they try to hold Winston to a lower standard then any other QB league wide.
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 5:08 pm
Joe continues to find it noteworthy that it always feels like Arians, when speaking publicly, puts a huge, whopping share of the blame on Jameis versus on the heralded quarterback gurus around him.
You result cant be that dense Joe. “some of those decisions we’ve got to fix.” they didn’t say anything about mechanics they said decisions stop how they hell is it on the coaches for when and here decides to throw the ball. Players play and he’s there one on the field deciding who the ball goes to.
Bucs should move on because decision making cant be an issue in year 6 and its always been the issue not just in the first year of an offense
March 6th, 2020 at 5:13 pm
I can’t recall, but did joe find it noteworthy that Arians began the season blaming everyone but winston .
If yes, then it’s noteworthy as Arians is no longer willing to protect winston in the media.
If no, then Joe is like Elaine starring at the tire display in an episode of sienfeld.
Fascinated with the simple things.
I’m guessing that the hundred and thirty seven coaches at one buc , not a single one, zip, zero nada, coach stupidity.
“Just go out there and get reeee-tarded, Ok boys…plum stupid is the game plan today.” Now if thats what is said to winston , then you gotta admit He’s finally listening to his coaches.
March 6th, 2020 at 5:16 pm
Leftwich? Trash. Should not ever been on offensive coordinator ruining 2 qbs in 2 tries
Christensen? Unemployed before coming
Tom Moore? I have respect for him but he has no business being a coach. Just hooking up ya boy moment
Arians? Making excuses as to why we sucked with biggest coaching staff ever. Looks like he just wants to ride on a Qb success
March 6th, 2020 at 5:17 pm
These are some of the same coaches for the most part that have been following Arians around at every one of his stops, and Winston managed to make all of them look like bum’s this year. Of course they’re going to put the blame on the player when he’s the first one that never seemed to “get it” by the end of that first season.
Coaches have legacies that they want to leave behind. One bum of a QB can ruin it.
March 6th, 2020 at 5:18 pm
This issue isn’t just that he’s “turnover prone”…..but that Winston is so self absorbed that he genuinely believes he’s “ballin” to the rate of $30 million per year. He completely ignores the games he gave away, the holes he puts the team in, how he finishes last in the division the majority of the time, never made the playoffs, only has ONE winning season, leads the league in turnovers by a WIDE margin since joining the NFL. Coaches can deal with his turnovers….its his mentality that they’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that is the truly hopeless project with him. You cant build a winner with Winston at $20 million per year…..its not happening if his price goes up. He needs WAAAAY too much help in WAAAAY too many areas to mask all that he brings to the field. Now he needs a running game, better line, superstar defense….and lets not forget the kicker. Even though the 49ers made it with a less then stellar kicker.
March 6th, 2020 at 5:23 pm
How are the coaches responsible for bad decisions? If he still is making bad decisions poor throws and just playing dumb that’s on the player.
It’s like blaming a teacher who gives you the answers but you dont write them down the blame for failing your test
March 6th, 2020 at 5:25 pm
There is no inside intel to be had. To suggest having it is a lie. 8 people know what is going to happen right now.
Here is why Winston isn’t coming back (from clutchpoints):
Jameis Winston 2019 interceptions:
25 with clean pocket (most in NFL)
23 within 1 possession (most)
22 targeting WRs (most)
19 when trailing (most)
17 vs zone defenses (most)
13 vs man defenses (most)
13 vs blitz (most)
11 on 3rd down (most)
10 in 4th quarter (most)
This is just bad all around. Clean pocket INTs are really a killa.
March 6th, 2020 at 5:25 pm
Arians need to stfu with publicly calling out his players mistakes. He’s done it his entire career. They can’t go to the press and defend themselves.
The entire league says his offense leads to interceptions, no matter the trigger. Why doesn’t he publicly accept his share of the responsibility.
His offense is too dependent on two outside guys and doesn’t value protecting the ball (which he emphatically states needs protecting). The playcalling is limited and predictable by defenses. It needs work, or he won’t win. It doesn’t matter the QB, ot
March 6th, 2020 at 5:27 pm
in that photo, BL is clearly yelling: GET YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR @$$!!!!!….LOL….
thats the perfect good cop bad cop photo….lol…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 5:29 pm
Hahaha Lamarcus…..That’s right. Let’s just give Winston his fourth coaching staff. That’ll fix it. It’s coaching it’s always been coaching……
oh except for when it was OL…..or defense…..or kicker……or RB. Right?
What about his off field problems? Is there somebody else to blame that on too? I bet there is.
March 6th, 2020 at 5:30 pm
It’s not 1991. Publicly called out players i mistakes repeatedly in the press just feeds an already frenzied press and social media. It’s not helpful.
March 6th, 2020 at 5:35 pm
Jimmy Jack
I dont care about anything you just said. I’m in Vegas. Jw lives in Tampa so idc about his so called off the field behavior. seriously. Miss me that crap. He is a football player and should be treated as such. He is not a ballerina dancer or running for miss America geez
March 6th, 2020 at 5:35 pm
Jeez…
Some players are more coachable than others.
At some point you have to blame the player.
Besides, what can you say about a QB who threw 30 picks but thinks he’s “ballin’?”
IMO, Winston lack a total sense of self-awareness.
March 6th, 2020 at 5:35 pm
if it was a 2 year 40-45 million dollar deal I wouldn’t be that mad
March 6th, 2020 at 5:50 pm
Doug Williams Curse might be real or could be just a myth, but sure feels real.
March 6th, 2020 at 5:55 pm
How about giving him a 1,00 yard rusher at the runningback position. How about letting your runningback run the ball 20 to 25 times a game . How about getting one of those free agent offensive linemen that’s available now . Like Trent Richardson or the guy from Philadelphia . Then we can draft a runningback or a defensive lineman . And how about the defense play at least decent . And maybe we can run the ball when we have a lead with 3 or 4 minutes leftto play in the game . Go bucs…
March 6th, 2020 at 5:58 pm
Mr. 5,000 is a much better nickname J-miss…check ya stat sheet…Turnover Machine…ok, I gets it….but let’s be clear …..Mr. 5,000 drag this team to the 7 wins in the 2019 season…no other player on the BUCS roster can make that claim, not even SHAQ B with his 19.5 “meaningless” SACKS!!!!!!! This fan base needs to rally around Mr. 5,000 and ready for the 2020 season….start showing some respect for Mr. 5,000 and STOP being a part of those SMILING FACES!!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 5:58 pm
Lamarcus……I don’t care too much about off field stuff…….But when you’re going out getting yourself suspended for 25% of the season when your susposted to be leading us……then when you get back you look almost shell shocked……….well yeah. I got a little bit of a problem with that.
Funny that you choose that part to focus on rather then your flagarant excuse making. That was really my main point.
March 6th, 2020 at 6:09 pm
“We”? ?? Got to fix.
Still, some of those decisions we’ve got to fix.”
March 6th, 2020 at 6:10 pm
JimmyJack:If Trump can be President…then surely you can see past those two, three past allegations made against Mr. 5,000!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 6:17 pm
I’ve got a 1,000 shares of Pets.Com saying Jameis will be gone, because that is all he is worth !
March 6th, 2020 at 6:25 pm
Tough love if he’s back…and what, take him out after four, five, six bad games and another season is lost? Not going to happen. He’s done here.
March 6th, 2020 at 6:31 pm
Joe how does it feel to cover a franchise that makes a Jerry Springer cousin marries a married brother episode look better than a glazer BA offseason
March 6th, 2020 at 6:31 pm
813bucboi … You took the words right out of my mouth about that photo of BA, BL & Jameis. That’s been up several times before, and I always think that Leftwich is out of control in that photo. I keep thinking that during the heat of battle, having one coach screaming at you while the other is trying to keep you calm PROBABLY sends some really mixed messages to the QB.
Me thinks that Jameis had too many voices in his head during the games. Personally I want to see my coaches be calm, cool & collected. Screamers don’t cut it IMO because they get you focusing on them instead of on the game. Like runnerdoc said … “It’s not helpful”.
And #1 Pick QB, the QB is ultimately responsible obviously, but but play design & play-calling can certainly affect INTs. Directing someone to do something stupid leaves you with a certain liability IF they do it & bad things happen. None of us know how much latitude Jameis has to change play calls.
March 6th, 2020 at 6:34 pm
Get ready for blah again Bucs fan if Winston comes back. Vegas expects it. Earliest odds are the Bucs win 7.5 games and come in a chlose third in the division. Vegas expects the Bucs to be stuck with Winston again. With this kind of excitement, what do you think the Glazers think? What do you think fans will think? What does this mean the buzz and market for Winston really is? Not good.
It’s like the world is saying “Tampa Bay, you brought this clown into the NFL. You keep him, and don’t taint any other teams with his poison.”
Hey, who knows, maybe we win 8, even 9 games with Winston this year. Still miss the playoffs, but woohoo, we can watch Mr. Excitement ballin’
No thanks, and I don’t think anyone wants this again.
March 6th, 2020 at 6:45 pm
It’s all Koetter’s fault, oh wait he was in Atlanta last year. Well it’s Leftwich and Christensen’s fault.
March 6th, 2020 at 6:46 pm
No it’s actually the kickers fault.
March 6th, 2020 at 6:49 pm
I was reading a story out of Boston saying how Brady to the Bucs actually makes sense – and how good it would be for Brady to escape the AFC to play a cupcake schedule in the NFC South. LOL!
Brady has literally played the easiest schedule in football since 2016.
Anyone want to guess who played the hardest schedule? That would be Mr. Winston. Who also has had the worst defense in football since 2015, and the worst kicking game in football since 2015.
Anywho that lazy dummy in Boston made me laugh with his moronic article that he clearly put no research into. To not know how hard Winston’s schedule has been is one thing, but for someone in Boston to not know how cupcake Brady’s schedule as been is another.
March 6th, 2020 at 6:56 pm
“They can’t go to the press and defend themselves.”
Sorry but that statement is absolutely FALSE. Players go to the press all the time and lets us all know…”they be ballin'” It’s 2020!!! Players…especially QB’s can get all the press they want.
So let’s see…How many coaches and staffs has JW been through…Jimbos…Koetters..BA’s…through it all one thing has been CONSISTENT!!!! JW has horrid turnover problems. Some of you nuthuggers are getting ridiculous. Parsing out that he didn’t have 30 before this year….he didn’t set the 30-30 mark before?
Who freaking cares? His ENTIRE career JW has been a turnover machine. At FSU the disparity in competition and edge in talent enabled him to come back in the NFL with equal talent….not so much!
So through all these teams…all these coaches…many HIGHLY respected…it’s JW who is right and they are wrong. IF ONLY HE HAD DECENT COACHING!
JW EXCUSE #333
March 6th, 2020 at 7:01 pm
Everyone that believes Jameis is our best chance just doesn’t really know what their talking about. Food for thought to those of you that think IMO other qb will be as good as JW in our offense is nuts. How soon you forgot that Fitzpatrick ran our offense better with better numbers than JW and he’s a Journey men backup. Suck it up Winston fans. If he wasn’t the answer in 5 years 6 is not going to change a thing. If Winston comes back yes he will improve. My bet is 4500 yds
27 tds and 25 int. Not acceptable
March 6th, 2020 at 7:06 pm
Last year Jameis threw 10 Int’s to get behind in the first quarter and 10 INT’s in the fourth quarter to stay behind. Anybody that doesn’t think things have to change is sadly mistaken.
March 6th, 2020 at 7:10 pm
So Jameis has to stop making bad decisions…when hasn’t that been an issue, on and off the field. The question is, can he?
March 6th, 2020 at 7:21 pm
Bucsmarley
Bringing Fitzpatrick to a qb discussion renders you laughable opinions null and void
March 6th, 2020 at 7:23 pm
In Winston’s first 4 years, he had 58 interceptions in 56 games, a little over 1 per game. Last year, he had 30 in 16 games, making it 88 interceptions in 72 games, an average of 1.22 INT’s per game, so if he’s here and healthy, we should expect around 20 interceptions in 2020. I’d be okay with that, if he’s productive and we make the playoffs.
March 6th, 2020 at 7:24 pm
Joe you have to be kidding me. You have implied in articles over the last few days it’s the coaching staffs fault Winston cannot stop throwing such boneheaded turnovers. This is the issue with Winston defenders. he can go out there and be the biggest bonehead he could possible be but it’s always someone else fault.
March 6th, 2020 at 7:31 pm
BA has never been successful on his own … never…. jameis will be successful while bucfan falls head over heels for the next regime in 2021….
March 6th, 2020 at 7:34 pm
Joe in Michigan, in his third “prove it year” year since hard Knocks, he turned the ball over more than twice per game, counting fumbles, and in several games he cost the game with multiple picks. Why do you think we should be okay with anything he does? When he’s had to show what he has, yet again in freaking year five, he messes it up. How does he do in important games? The same. Why do you think we should okay if they pay him and now he comes back without pressure to perform?
That guy needs to go.
March 6th, 2020 at 7:38 pm
Joe.
You posted articles where Clyde Christensen chimed in. “On limiting turnovers, the veteran QB coach said he’s exhausted several methods to get through to Jameis.”
Christensen has been in the league forever and has worked with multiple QBs. Or the other staff that has been in the league longer than Jameis has been alive.
If these QB gurus cannot figure it out, then maybe just maybe… Jameis isn’t a great QB. Shocking.
March 6th, 2020 at 7:38 pm
LaMarcus,
Leftwich ruining 2 QB’S in 2 years? WTF, they putting crack in the slots now!
Rosen was never a great or good nfl player . Can’t ruin what doesn’t and never existed. Plus, Rosen wasn’t looking like a franchise QB before Leftwich took over the coordinator role late mid season. Didn’t look worse afterwards.
Winston just had a career setting year..5000. Yards , 30+ TD’S and lead the 3rd best offense in the league. Seriously, Vegas has turned into bizzarro world.
All of winstons deficiencies have existed before he stepped onto the campus of fsu. He’s decided to keep most of them . Leftwich is at fault sure, but it’s illegal to bash another person’s head with a wrench until the proverbial light turns on in there. Blame the nation for stupid laws .
Leftwich is the future. embrace your future head coach . Bow down to the Morgantown messiah.
How’s the death star looking?
March 6th, 2020 at 7:39 pm
Look at these stats again with Winston’s INTs:
25 with clean pocket (most in NFL)
23 within 1 possession (most)
22 targeting WRs (most)
19 when trailing (most)
17 vs zone defenses (most)
13 vs man defenses (most)
13 vs blitz (most)
11 on 3rd down (most)
10 in 4th quarter (most)
The man is deadly in hurting his own team, especially looking at clean pocket picks and those within one score. Maybe he has trouble with zones? Man? No, he has trouble reading the field PERIOD. And he leads the league in throwing them on 3rd down (he’s a drive killer) and in the 4th quarter…he’s a game killer. The first overall pick at five years in with the best receiver corps in the NFL should be going down the field and winning games on the final drive. He’s not doing that nearly enough.
March 6th, 2020 at 7:40 pm
^^^Do we not think Arians was thinking about this lately? Wouldn’t anyone with a brain say to themselves….OMG!?
March 6th, 2020 at 7:42 pm
And the Fan boys will come up with new silly excuses to discredit the numbers. Its always someone elses fault. LMAO..
Show him tough love by letting him go somewhere else please.
March 6th, 2020 at 7:48 pm
49 interceptable balls
24 picks at home
12 fumbles, 5 lost
Penalties: grounding and delay of game percentage is high Vs peers
March 6th, 2020 at 8:11 pm
How is NOT throwing interceptions is gonna guarantee wins? We can still lose those games too.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:17 pm
Lamarkus….reallly? At least you have a chance to win those games.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:19 pm
In the offseason, the soap opera helps — way better than the apathy and downright boredom that surrounded lame Lovie.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:23 pm
Hethrew 30 Says:
March 6th, 2020 at 7:34 pm
Joe in Michigan, in his third “prove it year” etc.
Hethrew 30: It’s okay if you don’t agree with me. It’s not our decision, anyway. I’ll be okay if we bring Winston back (will you?), or if we go in another direction. The one direction I don’t want us to go is to sign Philip Rivers and “have” to take a QB in the 1st Round, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO REACH (reaches to me would be Eason or Love). Fans would be calling for Rivers head before the year is up, and the rookie wouldn’t be ready to play, IMHO. Worst case scenario.
March 6th, 2020 at 8:24 pm
Jameis should just leave Tampa. Take a backup role somewhere and work his way back into a starter but get the hell out of Tampa. They’re starting to say Jameis is a coach killer. However, Tampa is a career killer 9 out up 10 players that leave Tampa end up deep in the playoffs or the Super Bowl. Talk about coach killer, most of coaches that’s been in Tampa don’t have a career to kill. The top 2 was Gruden and Dungy. Dungy was fire after taking this team from nothing to the playoffs 3 or 4 years. Gruden was fired after going to the Super Bowl. So Jameis get out and make all these so call Bucs fans happy
March 6th, 2020 at 8:48 pm
who else are we going to get to QB for us that can keep us out of the playoffs for as long as winston ready for it+ MEEEEEEEEE.. HaHa
March 6th, 2020 at 8:51 pm
and I will do it for 1 million, wow I feel like a uber ride..
March 6th, 2020 at 9:09 pm
And you guys want T Brady …that same Tom Brady who was found guilty of letting the air out of footballs…yet you demonize Mr. 5,000 about an uber driver who was out to get a check and a plate of crab legs!!! So let’s just stop with the TB COMING TO TB… he ain’t flawless…just thought I’d put that out there first ….thank me later!!!
March 6th, 2020 at 9:15 pm
I hope some “fans” do not get too excited about parting with Winston. If it was so cut and dry to move on from Winston why have the Bucs not publicly announced we are moving on like the Chargers and Rivers? We cannot trade Winston he is a free agent so what’s the hold up?
March 6th, 2020 at 9:18 pm
I agree BigHog it’s pathetic to watch fans oooze over the idea of getting Tom Brady, someone who has absolutely no interest in playing for the Bucs at all.
Get out of your fanasty land people.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:21 pm
You don’t know what went on. And it could be he did exactly what he was told not to do. Some things will come out sooner or later. But no doubt they were working on getting things worked out.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:21 pm
TexBuc. Don’t you think if they want Winston we will hear something by Thursday? After that he’ll be a free agent. I don’t see them playing games at the QB position.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:22 pm
Interesting fact
Teddy Bridgewater has been in the NFL since 2014 and has been injury prone. His NFL career total TD is 34 which is only one more than Winston threw in the 2019 season with 33. Winston NFL career TD is 121 and is 2nd in total passing yards to only Peyton Manning in the first FIVE seasons.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:22 pm
“If we stay in this direction” = Arians polite way of not actually saying Winston is 100% gone for a reason… it’s a SMOKE SCREEN.
The Bucs want the rest of the league to think they may still tag Jameis or still try and get him on a discount deal. There’s a very good reason they aren’t coming right out and saying that they will not be bringing him back…
It’s because they don’t want increased competition (and urgency) for some of the free agent QBs they’re targeting from what’s already out there. They want to swoop in right away and get their new QB and complete a deal. If the entire league knows for sure they are letting Winston walk, then other teams (interested in the guy they are really wanting) may step up their bids and activity towards grabbing them from Arians.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:23 pm
Jimmy
I hope we would but only they know.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:26 pm
Ivan
good points but the 2 day legal tampering period we will have to bid with other teams for the players we want. My point is the Bucs still have interest.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:26 pm
@TexBuc – as I just posted above, the Bucs aren’t coming out and making it public that they aren’t bringing Winston back for strategic reasons. The Rivers situation with the Chargers was done out of RESPECT for Rivers for playing his entire career with the Chargers and them having a mutual agreement that the team would be moving on which paved the way for Rivers to move his family across the country.
The Bucs situation is completely different. They don’t want to completely tip their hand heading into free agency with several solid QBs available.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:30 pm
TexBuc – anything could happen, of course. But all the ‘signs’ sure seem to point to Winston going elsewhere.
Why would Winston choose this offseason to get Lasik eye surgery? That wasn’t going to make any difference to the Bucs. They know what they have in Winston. That was an agent’s move to entice other teams in free agency — which means they were probably honest with WInston and told him he most likely wasn’t coming back.
People are underestimating the NEW UNIFORM situation as well. That’s a MAJOR marketing move by the Bucs. I believe they know Winston isn’t coming back, so they’re doing an entire Re-Brand of the team with new uniforms, new signage, as well as a new face of the franchise (whoever that ends up being) since Winston has been it for the past 5 years.
You don’t come out with new uniforms unless it’s to “jumpstart” merchandise and ticket sales. There would be no better time to come out with new uniforms and new branding unless you were going to have a new starting QB in 2020 and a new direction for the team.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:31 pm
Ivan
Good points again but do you really believe GM’s and agents at the Combine are not talking to everybody (illegally).
Bucs history of being left waiting at the Altar is longer than most franchises IE Bill Parcels twice, Brett Favre, and Chip Kelly and probably a few we have to heard about.
March 6th, 2020 at 9:53 pm
If you believe as I do, that keeping Winston for next year would be a lost year (AGAIN), then do NOT re-sign him, even if the cost to do so is not prohibitive or even cheap.
If next year is going to be LOST anyway, better to bring in the cheapest veteran you can (I don’t think it matters who, since that guy would likely only be the bridge to your new QB, and paying big dollars to some other retread would not likely be good enough to get you deep into the playoffs, and would necessarily mean LESS money for the defense). So, keep the defense intact, and draft your next attempt at a franchise QB in the FIRST ROUND, and hope you get lucky. That is potentially the biggest bang for the buck, i.e. a first round rookie QB gives you another five year “window” to develop him into a franchise QB, while keeping under the team cap limit, since the QB would still be on a rookie contract.
tickrdr
March 6th, 2020 at 9:53 pm
********BREAKING NEWS***********
Atlanta offered a 3 round pick to the Bucs if they will sign Jamies
Falcons management stated “A three round is worth a Guaranteed TD twice a year”
March 6th, 2020 at 10:04 pm
It’s funny you guys only harp on the interceptions and don’t get me wrong they are important but do any of you realize he led the league in tds scored with 31 also??? Interceptions lose games but what do tds do??? You clowns all you do is point out the negatives ad nauseam and new ones come out like roaches spewing your hatred but never speak of the improvements he made last year. I won’t list them because you don’t care about anything positive when it comes to him but we did have a top 3 offense behind him inspite of the turnovers and absolutely no running game. Having a defense that took 2/3 of a season to finally start to get it together didn’t help. The fact he scored 31 tds and threw for 5000 yards are reasons Arians might keep him. A big if he reduces turnovers by more than half, bad decisions, keeps the tds up and the defense keeps improving we will win.
March 6th, 2020 at 10:07 pm
David
Correction 33 TD. I believe his eye surgery will have a huge positive impact on his game.
March 6th, 2020 at 10:58 pm
“It’s funny you guys only harp on the interceptions and don’t get me wrong they are important but do any of you realize he led the league in tds scored with 31 also???”
That answer is no DavidBigBucsFan99,
In the eyes of Jameis haters he threw 0 TDs and 30 Ints.
I do believe that reasonable people can see all the good that Jameis does while at the same time understanding that he cannot continue to throw so many turnovers.
When you have a QB capable of throwing for 5,000 yards and 30 TDS and who constantly leads his team to 25+ points (RARE)……you do not dump that guy to the curb.
So ideally, give Jameis a 1-year prove it deal to see if he can limit turnovers in year 2 with an alleged quarterback guru.
March 6th, 2020 at 11:01 pm
Tough love would be fans going to see Winston at QB next year at Ray J. You could sell brown paper bag outside the stadium. I can’t watch another year of this 💩show🤮.
March 6th, 2020 at 11:04 pm
Be careful what you wish for Bucs fans, with Teddy Bridewater get ready for a bunch of 10-17 point offensive performances.
Jameis has not has the luxury to play in low scoring games cause the defense has been trash his entire career. (And sorry not allowed to say that without mentioning the 2d half of 2019 where the defense was able to play well against Gardner Minshew and David Blough)
March 6th, 2020 at 11:09 pm
For whatever reason, some Bucs fans cant seem to remember how bad this Defense has been for the last 5 years……..
But they can tell you in detail every JW interception that he’s thrown since he started playing youth football in 3rd grade.
March 6th, 2020 at 11:33 pm
JW will improve leaps and bounds – in 2020. Regardless of where he lands as starter or backup.
2019 – Broken thumb and bum knee. New offense. YADA YADA
Regardless of stat comparisons for TD or INTs — JW is not Manning, Farve or Marino. Nowhere close in real comparisons. JW has to overcome Hero complex. Learn to be a leader in NFL.
Not to mention impact of JW personal perspective – Today JW is a father and will be married soon. Way different from when JW entered NFL as cocky rookie. JW is different now, in his viewpoint, of being successful in NFL.
If Bucco Bruce keeps JW – Bruce will and should coach JW HARD, like Jimbo did. JW needs to be challenged (not afraid of competition) and coached with tough love.
If Bucs let JW go elsewhere, (which I HOPE happens for betterment of all parties – I am BUCS fan) –JW will thrive in new home, given his new maturity. Yep – HATERS – it did take 6 years. Sad for Bucs fans. JW is still only 26. Get real – how old are you?
How amazing were you at 21 or 25?
I screeched curse words at JW’s 30 INTs this year. I also was amazed by JW’s bounce ability, to bring Bucs back into games. Something I have never seen by past Bucs QB’s.
JW has TREMENDOUS upside, in the right offense and coaching. Not sure the Bucs are the best spot for JW, or JW is best QB for BUCs in 2020.
I ponder what a real running game could have done this past year. Hopefully, Licht drafts a real RB from big time school, vs searching for diamond in rough from some obscure D12 school, to show his draft chops. Regardless of QB, the Bucs need a RB threat. And OL draft.
Regarding JW – his agent knows JW is Door 3-4, for Bruce. If Bruce has been posturing this off-season —- slippery slope, and that strategy does not seem to fit Bruce.
Where JW lands? Anybody’s guess.
The games are underway, Fans!
March 6th, 2020 at 11:57 pm
Did anyone bake cookies for the defense when the finally started playing like a normal NFL defense?
Cause the praise was way over the top especially considering that they finished giving up 449 total points (4th worst in NFL) and finished 3rd worst in pass defense.
March 7th, 2020 at 12:03 am
Tbbucs3 was actually the girl scout manager 2 years ago
March 7th, 2020 at 2:57 am
LaMar-ASS you are an IDIOT.
ElBajito43 and I always get a good laugh 😂 from your horrible takes that SUCK!!!
Become a raiders fan PLZ! all will thank you here in the BAY. Oh wait MY BAD… you are Winston fan, not a Bucs fan. HAHAHHA what a F A. G
March 7th, 2020 at 4:42 am
David,
List them please! Or the top 10 …..just do it.
March 7th, 2020 at 5:44 am
“Simply put: unless Jameis Winston goes on clearance this offseason, he is not a viable fit for the Los Angeles Chargers.”
Great quote
March 7th, 2020 at 5:45 am
“Sources close to the team said that the frequency of Winston’s interceptions became a running joke between certain members of the coaching staff and they would occasionally try to guess when those interceptions would occur.”
Better quote!
March 7th, 2020 at 6:58 am
Remember guys Americas QB Jameis Winston had lasik surgery this off-season…
As BA would say “he’s totally fixed”…
Let’s get a deal done and and get ready for a Superbowl run…
Go Bucs!
March 7th, 2020 at 8:11 am
David bigbucsfan,
Please list the improvements winston made last year. It would be helpful to see where the improvement has occurred and how it impacted his play.
March 7th, 2020 at 8:17 am
Tbb3,
The defense only gave up 449 points. You say it likes it’s a bad thing. 449 pts is not at all bad.
The way you put it, you’d think the defense would have come in at #32 points scored upon. 28th is worthy of some praise. Probably much more than anyone has given them.
March 7th, 2020 at 8:24 am
Tbbucs3 Says:
“Get out of your fanasty land people.”
—
What is fanasty land?
Where is it located?
March 7th, 2020 at 8:32 am
Papa Bwucy Bwuce Says:
“what a F A. G”
—
Nice attempt to slip under the radar.
Are you 6?
That should probably get you banned.
March 7th, 2020 at 9:13 am
D-Rome Says:
March 6th, 2020 at 4:29 pm
Joe continues to find it noteworthy that it always feels like Arians, when speaking publicly, puts a huge, whopping share of the blame on Jameis versus on the heralded quarterback gurus around him.
Why is that noteworthy? The organization and coaches have given him everything he could possibly need to succeed. The Buccaneers staff has some of the greatest minds in football history, and those coaches coached some of the greatest QB in modern history. With those resumes the problem isn’t with the coaching. This organization has done everything to help Jay-Miss grow as a QB and the end result after all that work and coaching is a guy that is **still** turnover prone.
No matter what the decision is, the thing the fans and the media need to keep in mind is that when it comes to football BA and his staff are smarter than all of us.
———————————————————————-
It is just simply amazing that these all-time great football minds were all available to come to our top notch organization.
And if we just had Peyton Manning in his prime, these coaches would be ‘all time greats’ again.
March 7th, 2020 at 9:59 am
D1, giving up 449 points is absolutely bad no idea what your talking about.
That’s literally 4st worst. You guys have some weak standards around here.
March 7th, 2020 at 10:10 am
LOL
In that picture, it looks like Leftwich SCREAMED Jameis’ left sock down.
March 7th, 2020 at 3:10 pm
ATLANTA FALCONS NATION kicks Ass#We_Rise
#TFF(true Falcons fan)
#InBrotherhood
March 8th, 2020 at 8:09 am
The thrill is gone!!! 😂