Brady Kept Suh With Bucs
March 30th, 2020
“Oh Tom, I’m not the only person that wants to be with you.”
Anyone remember roughly two weeks ago when Adam Schefter of BSPN said the Bucs were being besieged with phone calls from free agents who wanted to play in Tampa because Tom Brady was coming?
Yeah, the Bucs just cleaned up in the free agent market after that, didn’t they?
Well, it seems the Bucs did land one player because Brady was coming to Tampa Bay. And per hot dog eating contest-protesting, mock draft-scowling, L.L. Bean-wearing, Second Amendment abolitionist, Mike Florio-arguing, parrot-insensitive, chewing-with-his-mouth-open, soup-gulping, California train-romancing, anti-football proliferation, outhouse-admiring, airline-napping, steerage-flying, Yogi Berra-worshiping, urinal picture-taking, video game-playing, Taylor Swift-listening, pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, craft beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-honk, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training, Budweiser-tolerant, baseball scorecard-keeping, pasta-feasting, vomit-dodging scrooge, Kay Adams-following social activist NFL insider Peter King of NBC Sports, that player was Ndamukong Suh.
King claims he spoke to an NFL team big shot who was talking turkey with the Bucs free agent defensive lineman. Per King, Suh broke off talks when it was learned Brady was a Buccaneer.
I think the first signing that illustrates how much a player wanted to play with Tom Brady was Ndamukong Suh’s one-year, $8-million deal with the Bucs. One team talking with Suh believes playing with Brady was the tipping point in Tampa Bay’s favor.
Still, Suh is a returning member of the Bucs. So where was this groundswell of players who wanted to come to Tampa Bay to play with Brady? Seems like Schefter was used by an agent.
Were there free agents who wanted to play for the Bucs as soon as they heard Brady was a done deal in Tampa? Sure, very likely. For example, you don’t think Trent Richardson all of a sudden got excited by the thought?
March 30th, 2020 at 5:04 am
Bring back Fitzpatrick for the goal line dual threat set and to keep Brady honest. Not every day you can have two Canton guys in the QB room.
March 30th, 2020 at 5:28 am
Well, we know of at least one (Antonio Brown). Thank God BA has enough sense to stay away from him.
March 30th, 2020 at 5:39 am
Clearly written by Clueless Joe from Hannibal Mo.
XFL QB’s have Jobs in the NFL. Where’s Winston?
“where was this groundswell of players who wanted to come to Tampa Bay to play with Winston? Fixed it for you…
March 30th, 2020 at 5:50 am
Joee is Ndogg, Ndogg is Joee, Ndogg loves Winston. Oh my god, Joee loves Winston
March 30th, 2020 at 7:11 am
Sure…..you can come play for the Bucs……but you’ll have to come for league minimum…..we have no money….
Brady & $8mil other reasons (no state tax) for Suh
March 30th, 2020 at 7:18 am
@guy with long number name
Bring Back Fitzpatrick!
Koetter was an OG to bench Jameis the Diva.
Fitzpatrick is a Warrior-Poet-King!
Bring him back!
March 30th, 2020 at 7:26 am
The other team was the ravens and Yea baltimore offered suh 7 mil and bucs offered 8. Hey lets be real the ravens got a better chance of making it to the superbowl than us with Action Jackson at QB. Players are lined up to play for jackson and mahomes not brady… lets be honest
March 30th, 2020 at 7:31 am
Just because we haven’t signed every free agent who “wanted” to come here, does not mean free agents Do not want to come here. Price and salary cap are real things!
March 30th, 2020 at 7:42 am
I’d still like to see if they could manage to sign Eric Berry or T.J. McDonald to a cheap deal if possible.
March 30th, 2020 at 7:43 am
@941, That may be true re:Mahomes and Jackson and free agents. But you forgot one major thing. Jackson and Mahomes have to get past each other to get to the SB. That’s a pretty significant point in your calculus.
March 30th, 2020 at 7:52 am
where did bobby fenton go ???
#WeWantThePodcast
March 30th, 2020 at 7:59 am
941bucsfan … Jackson’s VERY good IMO, but 2019 was his first FULL season at the helm. Teams now know much better what to expect, and I’ll predict right now that Ravens won’t go 14-2 this year. Most NFL DCs are excellent at adjusting from year-to-year IMO. Most won’t be able to shut down the Ravens’ rushing attack, but they now know what to look for, and they’ll adjust.
Ravens playoff game against the Titans is a good example of that. Ravens won that game in almost every category except the most important one: POINTS SCORED. Titans used their own strong running game to beat them. Titans ran 37 times for 217 yds but only 1 TD (by Tannehill), and only threw 15 passes, completing 8 for only 91 yds … but THREE TDs. Titans DEFENSE held the Ravens rushing attack to little (for them) … 29 rushes for 185 yds & 0 TDs. The Ravens turned to their passing game instead, and Jackson had a very Jameis-like result … 59 attempts with 31 completions (52.5%), but only 1 TD with 2 INTs.
The story of the game? TURNOVER DIFFERENTIAL. Titans – 0. Ravens – 3. Where have we heard THAT song before.
March 30th, 2020 at 8:13 am
How much cap space does the team have left to spend?
March 30th, 2020 at 9:51 am
Im living in a dream world but i would love for jameis to dtay and learn under brady
March 30th, 2020 at 9:53 am
Signing a proven RT to replace Dotson should have been a priority , but it was not. Always a dice roll drafting any player to come in and start immediately , especially an Olineman. So you spend a fortune to gert a soon to be 43 y.o. QB , but you are too stupid to insure his well being??? Jason Licht Brain is a moron and deserves the heave ho , get a real GM.
March 30th, 2020 at 9:59 am
@peteI good to see you cant keep jameis jock out of your mouth.
March 30th, 2020 at 10:01 am
Licht Brain is paying a FREAKING PUNTER 2.7 Million , and Wasted a 2nd rounder and a 5th on TWO FAILED KICKERS. FIRE LICHT FIRE LICHT FIRE LICHT FIRE LICHTFIRE LICHT FIRE LICHT FIRE LICHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 30th, 2020 at 10:48 am
I don’t think they should sign anymore free agents at this point, except maybe a kicker to compete. Unless a quality right tackle becomes available.
Remember, they don’t have to meet the cap until September.
Also, the cap remaining numbers on Spotrac and Over the Cap are after deducting for the draft. And word is that a couple Bucs are willing to rework their contracts.
March 30th, 2020 at 10:50 am
BucsFanSince1976 Says
“Licht Brain is paying a FREAKING PUNTER 2.7 Million , and Wasted a 2nd rounder and a 5th on TWO FAILED KICKERS. FIRE LICHT FIRE LICHT FIRE LICHT FIRE LICHTFIRE LICHT FIRE LICHT FIRE LICHT !!”
You are better than that. Class it up a bit.
March 30th, 2020 at 10:51 am
Don’t forget, Licht is pretty good at trades too. He could land a RT that way…much like he landed JPP.
March 30th, 2020 at 11:43 am
I think it’s more than just wanting to play on the same team as the GOAT.
Guys like Suh want to see if the Bucs are serious or just more of the SOS.
When BA sent VHG packing…just cut him…let him walk…guys like Suh noticed.
When BA let the #1 pick in the entire 2015 draft simply walk with no compensation (I’m over the debate over whether it was correct or not time will tell) that sent a HUGE message to this team about accountability!!!
When they signed Brady that just put a bow on it…yeah these guys are serious and they want to win!!! That IMHO did as much as anything to show Suh and JPP that “The Future is Now”.
With all the great WR’s reportedly in this draft some will slide a long way…even undrafted like Hump and Brate. Imagine Licht’s leverage now with undrafted WR’s who will view the Bucs as the VERY BEST spot to land…passes from the GOAT and Scottie Miller the man in the way….I like Scottie but if I’m a talented guy I’d like my odds!
As much as this years draft I’m looking forward to see Licht’s haul of UDFA’s.
March 30th, 2020 at 11:46 am
Bonzai
Agree completely with your 10:50 post. Appreciate you trying to lift ALL of our posting.
March 30th, 2020 at 11:59 am
Don’t compare Jackson with Brady or Mahomes. After all he may be a one year wonder. To me he hasn’t proved anything. The draft should produce our RT & maybe even a LT. They need to get a kicker maybe after the draft to compete with Gay. Or maybe a cheap FA. Also a RB with great pass catching ability should be a must in the draft. I would also like to see them get Edelman who could probably be had for a 5th rounder or Howard but NE would have to include a 4th rd draft pick. NE may even release Edelman which would be even better. Then the Bucs could rework his contract. Still like QB Morgan as a 3rd day pick from FIU. I would have signed Suh for 2 yrs at 7 mil. I think he would have taken it.
March 30th, 2020 at 12:05 pm
I think Jason Licht has been a disaster for the most part but I agree with you here. While Unreasonable Joe was crying over losing Mark Barron one of Licht’s most brilliant moves was trading Barron for picks that eventually became Kwon Alexander and Ali Marpet. On top of that, the Bucs received a compensatory pick in 2020 for losing Kwon Alexander.
Of course, since Unreasonable Joe blames Lovie Smith for everything that happened in 2014 and 2015 then perhaps it’s Lovie we should thank for trading Mark Barron and acquiring all these picks.
March 30th, 2020 at 12:13 pm
@Bonzai … “the cap remaining numbers on Spotrac and Over the Cap are after deducting for the draft”.
Wish that was so Bonzai, but I don’t think it is. Spotrac for instance shows us with $21,697,788 in salary Cap space (Top-51) but that’s BEFORE subtracting the $7,326,117 they allow for the rookie pool. And that’s also BEFORE deducting $8.0 mil for Suh and $1.75 mil for Ryan Smith.
They have another number ($14,371,671 Cap space) that they label ‘Cap space with Top-51 & Projected Draft Pool’. IOW, that’d be the amount we’d have AFTER signing the draft picks but BEFORE deducting the $9.75 mil for Suh & Smith. Much too confusing IMO, but looks to me like that’d leave $4.6 mil in salary Cap space after all signings. What I still can’t figure out though is whether they ended up subtracting the 9 guys that Suh, Smith & our 7 rookies replace in the salary Cap numbers. Doesn’t look to me like they did (just in the way they show the numbers). Not my job though. Good luck Jason.
March 30th, 2020 at 1:13 pm
Let me ask one of my myriad dumb questions.
What is the penalty for exceeding the cap? What keeps teams from fudging at the edges?
March 30th, 2020 at 3:03 pm
StPete … Found several answers, but this one makes the most sense to me …
“The short answer is simply that NO team CAN go over the Salary Cap. Note that every contract must go through the NFL League Office before the deal can be made official. Presumably, one of the things the league must do at this time is determine whether or not the contract would violate the NFL’s Salary Cap. If the deal does violate the cap, then the NFL will reject it.
If a team releases or trades a player and the signing bonus acceleration puts a team over the Salary Cap, the team will have seven days to conform with the Salary Cap. However, they may not sign any players until there is room to do so under the Salary Cap.
There have been instances in which a team has managed to sneak a cap evading contract by the league. Upon further review, the violations were caught by the league and the respective teams were penalized. Penalties include fines and/or forfeiture of draft picks. In recent history both the Pittsburgh Steelers and San Francisco 49ers have been penalized draft picks, while the 49ers’ front office personnel (Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark) were also fined.”
http://www.askthecommish.com/SalaryCap/Faq.aspx
March 30th, 2020 at 3:03 pm
StPete … Found an answer but it was sent to the dungeon. They’ll let it out sooner or later.
March 30th, 2020 at 5:44 pm
Bucs don’t have the money, Joe, and you know that (to accommodate the “groundswell”).
March 30th, 2020 at 5:47 pm
I honestly fail to see how this “free agents are flocking to the Bucs” thing is even relevant. Isn’t this just about making fun of the narrative? Who really cares?
Free agents tend to come in only one of two categories – either too talented and too expensive or too old and too expensive. I will include Tom Brady as an outlier in that second category, worth the risk, but one of only very very few who are.
You don’t get free agents who are worth their spit and come cheap. I would offer that a player like Jameis can be one of those few types of guys who can come cheap and then really ball out. But he can’t get to that point if he’s not willing to be humble and take less money as a backup for a year or two.
The Bucs in free agency need to be looking at tackles, safeties, and running backs. But they’re going to pay too much unless they take a chance on someone with a checkered/underwhelming stat sheet and/or past who has something to prove. How many FA tackles, safeties, and running backs are out there like that? Those are the only ones we’ll be able to afford.
So can we give this silliness about the “TB effect on free agency” narrative arrest for a while please? Let’s focus on the reality that we’re going to have to do some strong work in the draft.