The Answer Should Be “Jameis”
February 13th, 2020
No viable options?
Joe has long made his feelings about Decision Jameis 2020 clear.
The Bucs may sit too low in the draft to move up in the draft without giving up a chunk of the team to select a top-shelf quarterback. And the free-agent quarterback options appear either too old or too brittle, or they’ve lost their arm strength or just don’t fit Bucco Bruce Arians offense.
Looking at the quarterback landscape, heavy metal headbanging Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports believes Arians has his best option already on the roster.
That would be Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
The longer I have analyzed and considered the options for Tampa at quarterback, the more I keep coming back to Winston, the first overall pick from 2015, being back there in 2020. I don’t see an avenue for them to upgrade, frankly, and certainly not at this non-exclusive franchise tag price point. Sure, they have kicked around the idea of Philip Rivers internally, but I’d much prefer another year of an ascending 25-year-old versus two years of a (rapidly) descending Rivers; if the interceptions with Winston are the biggest issue, I’m not signing a guy 10 years older who has the same issues, only with a declining arm and for the same amount of money.
Otherwise, what are we talking about here? Tom Brady and Drew Brees aren’t going to Tampa. The Panthers aren’t trading Cam Newton in the NFC South. Derek Carr isn’t enough of a downfield threat for Bruce Arians (which is part of the reason Jon Gruden is open to moving on from Carr himself). Andy Dalton isn’t an upgrade. Teddy Bridgewater isn’t the big-armed bomber that Arians always covets (and he will be plenty expensive himself). Ryan Tannehill is gonna get tagged. And, well, even if Arians’ old buddy Andrew Luck somehow came out of his retirement (and there is zero evidence that is even a remote option), well, he’d be bound to the Colts, anyway.
So, seriously, what are the Bucs to do at quarterback outside of Winston?
La Canfora’s comment about Carr is interesting. Former Raiders suit Michael Lombardi, who worked one year with Chucky before Chucky came to the Bucs, has been beating the drum that Carr won’t be with the Raiders when they play their first game in Vegas.
So La Canfora believes pretty much the same thing; Chucky has soured on him. And this is the first Joe has read that Carr cannot throw downfield. Boy, he sure did when he faced the Bucs in the Den of Depression a few years ago.
Joe has to wonder if Jameis’ financial team has figured this all out as well?
February 13th, 2020 at 8:08 am
the carr cant throw down field theory is BS…..
i guess the man made 3PBs dinking and dunking….lol….
meanwhile JW just started hitting the deep ball with more consistency this year….
bucs sticking with JW by default isnt necessarily great….the decision to keep him shouldve been made by year 3…..
GO BUCS!!!!!!
February 13th, 2020 at 8:09 am
I’m seeing two reports from Bears media indicating an interest in Winston: $9 million one year deal as a back-up. Any other reports of teams with an interest?
February 13th, 2020 at 8:13 am
The problem with Derek Carr is, well he’s a Carr. I predict his future will be next to his brother in a few years.
February 13th, 2020 at 8:14 am
JW is not a long term answer, for the former nbr.1 pick is ranked 22nd for the season just ended, choose your pick who is ahead of him but there is one that sticks out, 5 places above with the following negatives to overcome :-
The leagues worst pass protection
The leagues worst least-productive rushing attack
The leagues most-scored-upon defense in the NFL
He still won five of his 13 starts, his name :- Ryan Fitzpatrick
Now before the JW crowd chime in he’s not a long term answer,
but he is similiar to QB’s free agents available this offseason who could progress the organisation over the next year/two while a drafted QB sits and learns, JW is not the long term answer and if resigned will set the Bucs back years, there will not be the QB riches around in FA in the next few years so be prepared to cellar dwell as he continues to throw intercepions, he has not managed to stop so far and nothing is going to change !.
Go Buc.
February 13th, 2020 at 8:16 am
Jameis Christ Winston is the only true savior of the bay that being said jameis has completed his sentence for the worat NFL franchise in history and the small market irrelevant adult diaper community which hosts this embarrassing sports franchise….. parole jameis let the youngman have a chance at sucess
18 years since last meaningful win and ignorant bucfan blames the 25 year old savior…. nothing dumber in this world than a conservative defense first low standard dungy nuthugging bucfan….
February 13th, 2020 at 8:17 am
The question isn’t Winston vs another QB…..The question is Winston at what price.
It’s all relative….
I believe we should use the transition tag on Winston at around $23 mil…..if that’s not enough for him let him walk for a higher offer (if he gets one)
February 13th, 2020 at 8:25 am
Dumbest thing I heard this year
February 13th, 2020 at 8:28 am
Winston just threw another pick 6.
Joe, bad reason to keep him. FIND someone better for God’s sake. Stop the laziness and whining…”we can’t find anybody better….waaaahhhhhh”.
Terrible logic.
February 13th, 2020 at 8:32 am
T REX Says:
February 13th, 2020 at 8:28 am
Winston just threw another pick 6.
and dungy the clowns highly ranked defense just lost another game 9 to 7
February 13th, 2020 at 8:38 am
Jamies makes the most sense.
I’m confident he will be the Bucs QB in 2020.
The logical question is:
Are the Bucs going to place the franchise tag on him or be able to sign him to a 2 or 3 year contract?
February 13th, 2020 at 8:39 am
That TD by Donald Penn was FILTHY.
February 13th, 2020 at 8:45 am
All about price
Is Jameis a good self evaluator and realize he’s not elite and can’t win alone? Does Jameis realize the defense finished strong and needs to be retained? If he’s as book smart as some claim he will resign for 25-27 million a year to put a good team around him.
No way anyone is giving him 30+ million a year he’s just not that good or consistent.
Give me Dalton Bridgewater or Carr for less money and they would excel with these weapons
February 13th, 2020 at 8:46 am
Well, what this so called ¨expert´is saying he could probably be right.
I agree that Brady is not coming, neither do Tannenhill nor Brees…..I also think that Newton will not be traded to Bucs, unless he is injured.
My only two doubts is on Dalton and Carr, I don´t think they are superstars, neither Jameis is.
My only concern is making a big time contract with JW and we get stucked for a long period of time with a innacurate JW in case he doesn´t get better.
February 13th, 2020 at 8:51 am
the parenthesis should be around “should”
February 13th, 2020 at 8:57 am
Bucfan discussing Quarterbacks is as hilarious as a nancy Pelosi meltdown…. neither has any credibility…bucfan calls 500 football with ZERO chance in the postseason glory years…. talk about zero credibility
February 13th, 2020 at 8:57 am
When will these mopes learn?!? La-cant-forya is a …reporter. Barely one, at that. Changes his tune and speculates ALL the time, in his actual “reporting”, just like Rapaport. But he certainly is NOT…NOT..an analyst.
Gil Brandt..is an analyst. Lou Riddick is an analyst.
You don’t see Jay Glazer or Schefter thinking they can, or anyone wants to hear from them as, …an actual analyst. They’ve not spent decades in player personnel roles or anything of that sort. They’re just…reporters. And La-cant-forya is well down the totem pole.
Thus anything said, especially in this slant, us beyond pointless.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:02 am
joe i agree that he is likely our best option but i keep saying and i would think you need to agree on this. this is not a 1 year band aid fix up. i hate the fact we are doing this all because arians is old. we need a quarterback for the next 10 years and nobody would ever say jameis is that guy. the bucs always make decisions one year thinking ahead but this is about a plan for the future because this did not work out the way it should have. why not draft a guy regardless. it sucks to do it but if jameis isnt the guy to bring a championship back then i dont want him. i dont care about making a wild card game playing a road game.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:04 am
Man, Conte got WORKED in those highlights. Just over and over again. LOL
February 13th, 2020 at 9:11 am
Joe you beat the drum to keep GMC and stated a big loss to Defense if we lost him
However Defense is clearly better without him
Suh did a better job pushing the pocket
SOOO know Joe beats the drum for Jamies??
Grab Carr
Jamies May become better but he won’t here
He needs to be humbled and benched behind someone credible to have a chance
February 13th, 2020 at 9:12 am
The only negative with Teddy Bridgewater is he had an ACL 2-3 years ago.
The man wins every time he gets an opportunity.
He won at Louisville
He won with Vikings
He won with Saints
He makes good decisions with the football
He can be signed for $20 million (spotrac)
Bucs are going to address the running game regardless of who is QB
Jameis is still going to throw alot of interceptions, maybe not 30, but enough to lose several games.
Can we prioritize Winning over Stats for a change?
February 13th, 2020 at 9:13 am
If there is no chance at upgrading the position then we really just need a warm body for the upcoming year. I know no one wants to hear that, and a guy like Arian’s didn’t come for that, but if Winston is really our best option I’m pretty confident our chances at a superbowl are basically 0. We either have a tank year, or we get a developmental guy and a bridge guy for a year really.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:13 am
BY THE WAY JAMIES
ALL THOSE FANS YOU WALK BY LIKE A STUCK UP KID
PAY THE MONEY THE GLAZERS USE TO KEEP YOU IN A FAT PAY CHECK
MIGHT WANT TO REMEMBER THAT
February 13th, 2020 at 9:19 am
It’s comical how other teams figured out how to upgrade the position (ie the Texans and the Chiefs) through the draft, but the Bucs can’t. To me, if we can’t get there in the draft, we have a GM problem.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:22 am
So basically, Jason isn’t saying that the Bucs should keep Winston because of talent or results, just that he doesn’t see another of the available QB’s that would fit Arians downfield attack system.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Winston
February 13th, 2020 at 9:26 am
alanbucsfan
well said….
i agree….
GO BUCS!!!!!
February 13th, 2020 at 9:27 am
Dr Derrick Sharp ?
February 13th, 2020 at 9:38 am
You people keep forgetting these free agents you slobbering qb over have choices an no one chooses bucs unless they are overpaid or retiring on active duty
February 13th, 2020 at 9:45 am
winston at no price (unless a couple better vets wont come)………drop the excuse filled loser idiot ego
I wouldn’t franchise jw, he aint worth the money. long term, hell no
THE ONLY WAY…..is if he eats a lot of crow and takes an incentive laden deal. the only way we know some sense has made it’s way into his brain and ego. there will be no market for him as a starter.
Brady or bust and a backup
February 13th, 2020 at 9:45 am
Joe, some fans want playoffs !! Winston is not reliable …move on!!
February 13th, 2020 at 9:47 am
I’d go so far as throw a 2nd string draft pick in as starter before winston.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:52 am
We shouldn’t be at this point with a former #1 overall pick. That guy is supposed to be the sure thing, can’t miss player and at quarterback he should be the one guy that is directly responsible for a franchise turnaround. No matter what the Bucs do with Jay-Miss, he never has been nor ever will be that guy.
February 13th, 2020 at 9:56 am
So basically, Jason isn’t saying that the Bucs should stay with Winston because of his talent or results, but only because of the QB’s available none of them would be a fit for Arians’ downfield attack play system.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Mr. Pick 6 now is it?
February 13th, 2020 at 9:57 am
Jamis is a back up QB and we need to move on
February 13th, 2020 at 10:01 am
The Bucs can win with Winston at 15-18 million.
The Bucs will lose with Winston at 30 million.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:03 am
TBBF:
Agree, Transition him and if he walks we can put this to rest without feeling like we missed our last chance under BA to turn the guy around. About half the pundits in the league believe we should keep him and half say let him go. Not being an expert either way I have come full circle. At the end of the season I wanted him gone, now with 1 exception (Bridgewater) I am onboard with the one more year under BA advocates. Trust me the fact that I am just sick of reading about it and the fact that half the posters are going to be pissed anyway sort of places the whole mess in the damed if you do, damed if you don’t dimension. AND yes what we pay him will be a huge factor. I’d rather have joe at QB than pay Winston $35mil.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:22 am
I don’t expect him to get it, but a lateral or even lukewarm move at QB can show the Bucs are doing something…as the status quo has not worked. It is realizing not Winston, and not others in the mix, are long-term solutions.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:30 am
Yeah, Jason. Let’s give him a hundred million. You’re the new Tom Jones.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:41 am
Boooo hooooo. Waaaaa waaaaa. 30 ints. Waaaa. Get over it already.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:43 am
Please Joe…you made your decision to resign Jameis years ago.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:50 am
Ask Raider fans. Carr gets receivers killed downfield and doesn’t hang in the pocket nor extend plays with his feet.
February 13th, 2020 at 11:22 am
Then the question most definitely isn’t:
Who is the qb who can transform the Bucs into WINNERS?
70 games; 28-42; numerous turn overs; multiple games he choked away; 3 HC; several qb coaches; possibly injury proned..
Most other teams would have already moved on … (wisely)..
Some just get use to (and even welcome) losing i guess!
February 13th, 2020 at 11:29 am
If the answer is JayMiss, the question should be who won’t be the 2020 starter in Tampa Bay.
Peace, out
February 13th, 2020 at 11:35 am
glad to hear jaymiss is all fixed up by surgeries now ….
wondering what day licked , glazers. and bucco bruce have scheduled for lasik eye surgeries…..
they obviously need it…….
February 13th, 2020 at 12:03 pm
The only long term option for the Bucs is to draft the right QB. It would be nice if he could be eased into the system, but that is yet another, so far, unanswered question.
Rivers might do well with a fresh perspective, for two years.
If Jameis makes the time and opportunity to learn how to use his new cyborg parts and ties them into his mechanics, before the start of camp, he might do alright. That is the biggest question.
It is possible that Jameis will be riding the pine by the fourth game, he might also price himself out of the market.
If Jameis gets tagged, it will be his last season here. If he lives up to his potential, that would be a shame, but I don’t think he will ever be a great QB. He gets brain farts too often
February 13th, 2020 at 12:07 pm
Whatever. Not even going to read this. Feels like Groundhog Day!
February 13th, 2020 at 12:19 pm
Hey, just remember guys he just had LASIK surgery so he’s all better now!
Right?! Am I right?!
February 13th, 2020 at 12:31 pm
Bucsfanman Says:
February 13th, 2020 at 12:19 pm
Hey, just remember guys he just had LASIK surgery so he’s all better now!
Right?! Am I right?!
Yeah….like who cares that he’s known he had a problem with his vision for years and chose to ignore it despite the fact Lasik is almost fail proof now and 99.5% of people have better vision in less than 24 hours with little/no side effects.
He finally did it and that’s all that matters…..right?
February 13th, 2020 at 12:33 pm
Hey, he’s got Lasik so his eyes are good. All he needs now is a brain transplant so he can make the right decisions on and off the field and he has a glimmer of hope to be a starting QB from someone. Not here.
February 13th, 2020 at 12:39 pm
Here’s an idea no one seems to be talking about. Go after Alex Smith, if signed, let JW walk, draft someone to learn from Smith. Look what it did for Mahommes.
February 13th, 2020 at 12:45 pm
It is not about the price, people. If Jameis wants too much, the Bucs will franchise him. They have the bargaining power for the next 2 years.
Jameis will get, at minimum, $26 million per year, and more than likely he will get that with incentives that will raise it to over $30 million per year.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:02 pm
The question is money. He’s worth bringing back for 25 mil or less but when you start getting over that other options start to look better. I don’t think he’s good enough to win with the team that they would be able to put around him if he’s making more than 25 mil a year.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:05 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai:
Thank you for bringing some logic to the discussion.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:09 pm
I’m with Joe. Sign Winston, tag him or watch him lift trophies and go to the hall of fame somewhere else.
It’s not that Carr can’t throw downfield. He won’t. Throws the ball away on fourth down rather than risk an int.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:13 pm
Keep Jameis or try to pry Stafford from Detroit. I agree with everything that was said about the free agent qb’s. Regardless, for the love of all that is good in the world, draft a qb after round one. Jameis’s feelings are irrelevant and we need to be prepared for when he inevitably lays an egg again. Miracles can and do happen, so fingers crossed that Jameis can finally become a franchise guy.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:14 pm
If Jameis is a Buc in 2020, I would be ok with that. Just ok, nothing more. I definitely would not be excited about it. But i think Jameis needs some type of sports therapy. He is nutty. Maybe a good guy. Go Bucs, Draft well. Lets get some good looking uniforms please.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:14 pm
9 million for a backup QB roll LMAO
February 13th, 2020 at 1:20 pm
Bring Winston back Joe. After 5 years he 1. Got lasik surgery. 2, got his knee fixed. And 3, Somehow must have fixed “all” of his bonehead decisions. Sure, lets go for another 7 – 9 season. One good thing for next year. There will be plenty of parking for the games, and plenty of seats to be had. And lest we forget, the Glazer boys will look like bafoons of the NFL once again. Great choice Joe.
February 13th, 2020 at 1:39 pm
2nd “STRING” QB would be better?
Really?
What is this College?
You mean 2nd round?
Delusional
February 13th, 2020 at 1:48 pm
All you Winston LOVERS do realize Winston was worse this year than last CORRECT
Yes the were more yards thrown for last year less INT
SO PLEEEEASSSE tell me why this guy will be the SB winning hall of famer
5 years. SAME PROBLEMS worse in some cases.
I want to know what y’all see
February 13th, 2020 at 1:48 pm
Carr is meh and blah. Rather have mr excitement!
February 13th, 2020 at 1:58 pm
I think it’s good that we went through this whole thought experiment of options at Qb this offseason. Now that is obvious the Jameis is the best option to even any fair minded Jameis sceptic we can move on next season unified behind our Qb.
As far as the Bears supposable offering Jameis 9 million/year as a backup. He’s not even a FA yet so that would be tampering and who would the Bears start anyway. Trubisky over him? That’s a joke. Maybe the Bucs should offer 5/y so Trubisky can be the Bucs backup.
February 13th, 2020 at 2:00 pm
Stanglassman,
Fair minded opinion: Tom Brady Is better than Jameis for 2020.
February 13th, 2020 at 2:19 pm
@The Answer Should Be “Jameis”
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If we are going to be happy with an other 6-10 or 7-9 season, like the average of last 5 years, then SHOULD NOT BE JW, we can get that with any QB available out there. Don’t spend money on JW, by now we know what kind of season going to be….. try something else, and pay the great and good players we have. Remove the expensive average or below average, like JW.
Are they going to do it…. NOOOOOO.
BA = LovieS 2.0
February 13th, 2020 at 2:22 pm
🤔
/Checks glass. Nope, no alcohol in it. Straight Diet Coke. Yup. Joe actually read the above correctly.
BUHAHAHAHAHA! Jameis has people so mental they have become completely unhinged and lost full touch with reality. LOL
Jameis Derangement Syndrome!
February 13th, 2020 at 2:32 pm
Inside info from a friend who is ” In the know” … B.A…has contacted Andrew Luck to try and get him to come out of retirement. Now of coarse a trade would have to take place, but what if we franchise winston and include him with some draft picks to Indy for Luck? Would that be an upgrade?
February 13th, 2020 at 2:51 pm
Carr averaged 7.9 yards a pass play compared to Winston at 8.2 yards.
That’s only a 2.3 yards difference
Carr had a 70.4% completion rate compared to Winston at 60.7%
That’s 10% better overall accuracy.
Jason La Canfora is talking out his @ss
February 13th, 2020 at 4:01 pm
Soo I’m wrong on that???
More INT
MORE Pick 6s
More Yards thrown for last year by both QBs than this year and I imagine if Jamies had not been benched or suspended He would have had all the yards
So case made I believe
If not PLEASE LET ME KNOW where I’m wrong open to factual debate
February 13th, 2020 at 4:02 pm
Hey Joe you missed this question
“ SO PLEEEEASSSE tell me why this guy will be the SB winning hall of famer”
February 13th, 2020 at 4:04 pm
Have zero clue if he will be a Hall of Famer. Sort of a stretch to ask that, isn’t it?
February 13th, 2020 at 4:57 pm
Wrong.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:37 pm
Joe is having Fillet Mignon, so I’m having Fillet Mignon. In other words I’m having what Joe has on this one.
The biggest question I have is can Bryon Leftover Leftwich and Bucco Bock Choy Bruce fix Jameis? Will another year in the system help Jameis? Will Lasik surgery have any impact on Winston’s play? Is there anyone this year or the next year that will give us a better option than Jameis. If we keep key players and upgrade running backs and offensive line can that be enough to take the pressure off Jameis.
I do believe we need to have Ronald Jones get the larger share of carries. He is the more talented option with ability to have game breaking runs.
Avg Gain
Rush 4.2
Rec 10.0
Those are good numbers. If he can keep fumbles down he could really help.
Peyton Barber. Only good as short yardage back and okay receiver out of backfield. I would part ways.
Dare Ogunbowale good receiver out of backfield but needs to prove he can be a factor back in the running game.
February 14th, 2020 at 10:07 am
Brady’s not coming to Tampa? Does he have a crystal ball?
And Carr is somehow now not able to throw downfield?
Sounds like La Canfora is a hack that has a point to make, facts be damned.
February 14th, 2020 at 12:13 pm
That’s some pretty interesting stats from Jean. I’m always skeptical anytime I hear someone say an NFL caliber QB doesn’t have enough arm strength. Of course some QBs are way better chucking down field with more velocity and accuracy.. but every NFL QB is certainly capable.. just less accurate, less velocity, maybe more of a floater.. I get it. Will he nail those 60 yard passes? Maybe not.. but I”m pretty sure there’s still plenty of 20 or 30 yard passes he can hit and shorter.