“Leverage”
February 8th, 2020
Holding the hammer.
A guy who shares the same surname as the ownership group that controls the Bucs (but is not related), suggests if the Bucs keep Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, Jameis would return on Team Glazer’s terms.
In other words, Team Glazer can squeeze Jameis.
There is a glut of quarterbacks on the market, not counting players in the draft. As a result, Jay Glazer of The Athletic reminds Bucs fans in an NFL question/answer feature that Team Glazer has “leverage” on Jameis and should get a decent deal in keeping the NFL’s passing yards leader.
Good morning, Jay. Do you see the Buccaneers moving on from Jameis Winston this offseason and if so, who do you possibly envision Jason Licht and Bruce Arians bringing in as his replacement? —Steve S.
There are more options at the quarterback position this year than I can ever remember in the past. They’re in a great position there with leverage because there is a ton of supply versus the demand that will be out there. I know Bruce, even after Jameis would throw a lot of interceptions, Bruce had his back, protecting him publicly and even privately. I think when you go and look, now that they are going to put him on the board with all the other options out there, his value will change. Listen, right now, it is a little bit too early to give you a hard answer because guys are coming off of vacation. If there weren’t so many quarterback options then Jameis would have more sturdy ground to stand on. There are so many options out there that they can really play around with what they need to be done over there.
Glazer is correct in that there are options. But what good are options if they are not better?
Philip Rivers is an old, immobile version of Jameis. Tom Brady’s arm is shot. And don’t get Joe started on Joe Flacco.
(Column Intermission: For all the people that freaked out at Joe on Twitter for running the Joe Flacco story, don’t come at Joe with your noise! Joe didn’t invent this out of thin air. A former NFL quarterback (who had a cup of coffee with Chucky and the Bucs) went on the largest radio platform in the nation for NFL chatter and said this. If you’ve got a problem with pushing for Flacco, you can go after Jim Miller on Twitter or call his damn show up, “Movin’ the Chains.” Miller takes phone calls every weekday afternoon. Joe is just a messenger. What the hell is the matter with people?)
Now if you are of the mind the Bucs should sign Rivers, hold their collective breaths, and draft Jordan Love or Jacob Eason as a bridge quarterback, fine. Then wave goodbye to your coveted right tackle or pass rusher at No. 14.
February 8th, 2020 at 8:01 am
The Glazer Boys are world class billionaire clowns ^^^^^^^^
Malcom Glazer was a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 8th, 2020 at 8:03 am
So in other words…The Glazers are willing to pay less for the same results…..
February 8th, 2020 at 8:12 am
Tom Brady.
And no, you’re wrong, his arm in not “shot”. It may not be 100% of what it formerly was, but he can still make 35-50 yard deep out post pattern throws, and his ACCURACY is something we’ve never had here. Not to mention his unparalleled QB/football wisdom.
Tom Brady.
It’s just about creating a financial package attractive enough to lure him here. He naturally will have appeal in working with BA. And the weapons here. Draft best OL at #14.
February 8th, 2020 at 8:12 am
I am thinking Safety at 14. As you said Joe, I would prefer either a RT, pass rusher or DT, depending on which FA get re-uped. But I think Bowles wants a versatile Safety that will make his D really click
February 8th, 2020 at 8:14 am
Anthem: word is Joel Glazer was instrumental in bringing Chucky to Tampa. Malcolm was great, but you can’t fault the glazers for much except telling Chucky and Raheem to not spend money for a couple years while they bought Manchester United.
February 8th, 2020 at 8:16 am
Anthem, I couldn’t agree more with your first statement. Neither agree nor disagree with your second.
February 8th, 2020 at 8:46 am
Aritle says “Philip Rivers is an old, immobile version of Jameis. Tom Brady’s arm is shot. And don’t get Joe started on Joe Flacco.” Actually, Jameis is a younger more mobile version of Flacco except his lows are much, much worse, who has not fully developed as fast as Rivers, and has never won anything for his team but headaches.
Add the above to your last para about signing Rivers as a bridge QB and drafting one, that is the most prudent course of action for all components (winning, salary cap, and keeping the fan base for futher eroding). Now, with the sentence above, it is better to have a bridge QB that is a “has-been” than to roll the dice a sixth time on a “never was” or “never will.”
As for the last sentence, there will be serviceable right tackles out there, to include a draftee in 2nd round OR FA.
February 8th, 2020 at 8:51 am
Here’s one to hit home though: The Glazers already had the terms on Winston. It is a fact they wanted to give him every opportunity to demonstrate he is the franchise guy…from the months before when the evaluated his potential worth over the potential awful baggage. So far, after building a stadium, marketing scheme, players and even coaches around him, all that have is the worst nghtmare they’d hoped he wasn’t. Turnover machine with character issues who has hurt his team in man ways. The do recognized the ticket buying fans have had it. They also know Winston is large reason the team is laughed at–no one wants Winston as the face of their products…including the Glazers. IF Winston comes back it won’t be for big money, and it will only be if Rivers or someone else they are looking at gets away or doesn’t score well in the overall evaluation. To be clear, this is already on the Glazers terms. The benefit of the doubt for Winston is over, and frankly, the Glazers are already overally generous for putting up with this punk as long as they have.
February 8th, 2020 at 8:57 am
If I’m the Bucs front office, I’m letting Winston test free agency. I doubt there are any teams willing to pay him what he thinks he’s worth. Then you are in a position of power to negotiate. Personally, I’d rather move on from Jameis, rent a veteran QB for 2-3 years at $15-$18mil a year, draft Herbert or Eason, and use the cost savings to re-sign our key defensive players, bring in an upgrade or two in free agency, draft a good RB and we are ready for a playoff run.
February 8th, 2020 at 8:58 am
Parole jameis…. this franchise is going nowhere with glazers and washed up BA and the oversized garbage staff….
February 8th, 2020 at 9:06 am
We will see how much the Bucs decision on Winston comes down to money.
Best case scenario for the Bucs would be to have Winston overprice himself and Bucs be forced to move on.
The Bucs also must consider how much other revenue they are losing through loss of fan support and having a half empty stadium on Sundays as long as Winston is the QB here as most fans have had enough. That also costs them through the loss of their corporate sponsors and advertisers.
Best thing as a whole for the entire franchise, organization and fan base would be to move on from Winston.
February 8th, 2020 at 9:19 am
Of course you attempt to gain leverage……this is why there is silence…..working behind the scenes to develop viable options to Winston…..if he doesn’t cooperate, he will be gone….its simply how it works (another way of saying “simple as that”
Get ready for more silence from OBP…..
February 8th, 2020 at 9:29 am
I’d rather have a QB with a shot arm than a shot brain
February 8th, 2020 at 9:41 am
This too will backfire on the G’Boyz….whichever plan they have up their sleeves….some agent will spill the beans and all hell will break loose….or some variation
February 8th, 2020 at 9:43 am
I agree fully with both Mr. Reality and Jeagan.
If they wanted Winston they’d have made a move even if a confidence endorsement. That would make Winston less attractive to other suitors. Think Barrett is high on the radar after BA’ endorsement?
But they have not. I suspect this is less about ” leverage” gamesmanship than the fact that they cannot talk to any FA because of tampering.
Time will tell as was are in Liars Poker season.
February 8th, 2020 at 9:45 am
Don’t touch Love with a 10′ pole. He’s Josh Freeman 2.0.
Get Dalton, Carr or Bridgewater are good reasonably priced QBs. All are better options than Jameis. He hasn’t taken us to the playoffs in 5 years, so why is year 6 going to be different? Forget Rivers and Brady.
Resign the defense. Trade OJ. Pick up a S and a backup DT to replace Allen in FA. Build the team this year T, DT, DE, S, RB, WR, TE. Then if you still believe you need a QB next year, mortgage the farm for Lawrence.
February 8th, 2020 at 9:51 am
True, the Glazers sign the check but all during the season Licht was out there with his burner account calling people basically dumb if they want to move on from Jameis. He said “hell or highwater” Jameis will remain a Buc. He showed his hand to the Winston team and subsequently lost any leverage. If Licht wants Winston now, he’ll have to meet Winston and his agents demands. Arians has played it right in the public eye.
Watch, Winston gets signed for 30+
February 8th, 2020 at 10:03 am
Teddy Bridgewater
February 8th, 2020 at 10:06 am
I am not a Jameis apologist. At this point I have no idea what the Glazer’s, BA, and Licht will do. BUT if they bring in a replacement he will have a very short window and if he doesn’t win now the Ray Jay will be full of cheap seats that only visiting fans will purchase. They have invested five years in this QB, One year of BA’s Tenure, and a significant portion of top veteran and rookie careers. When camp breaks in September fans will demand wins. No time to rebuild.
February 8th, 2020 at 10:56 am
Franchise Jameis, draft a tackle to replace Demar and try to get Anthony Gordon from WSU in the 3rd or the 4th as a contingency plan for the future if Jameis can’t put it together under BA in year two. I still think BA needs to reach out to Carson Palmer and bring him in to help Jameis evolve.
February 8th, 2020 at 11:01 am
Transition Tag Jameis. Let him test the waters and we can decide to keep or cut bait once his market value is determined. If he leaves we get 2 1st rounders. If he stays he has can get his 2nd year under Arians.
February 8th, 2020 at 11:03 am
It does not matter, unless it is more than a one year deal for who ever!!!!!!!!!!!!! Coach and gm will be blown out after this season anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 8th, 2020 at 11:25 am
I know the Glazer’s own the team but they should not have final say as to what to do with Winston. Remember these are the same Glazer’s who gave loser Licht a big extension. As I said before they have know clue as to what they are doing.
February 8th, 2020 at 11:33 am
All of these ‘quarterback options’ will dry up. Most of them are staying where they are.
February 8th, 2020 at 12:00 pm
WE CANN REST EASY!!!! tmaxcon HAS IT ALL FIGURED OUT!!!
February 8th, 2020 at 12:43 pm
GA QB Fromm reminds me of a former Purdue Boilermaker most of us have heard of that was a little small in size but large in football IQ and accuracy …..Drew Brees. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years he ends up being recognized as the best QB in the 2020 draft. He should be available in the second round, get him Bucs!
February 8th, 2020 at 1:15 pm
I rather have Winston; our very own gunslinger; than bringing in a “check-down-charlie”……Sling that pigskin, Jaboo!! This is a passing league!!….If we get intercepted, so what?…(every Quarterback throws them, even Brady and Bread)……there are also gonna be a lot of points, so who cares…after all it’s just a game and there’s no reason to loose your mind over nothing…..Keep Jaboo!!… Let’s do this one more time!! Go Bucs, puñeta!!
February 8th, 2020 at 1:43 pm
man this wait and see is killing me, come on free agency and the draft, i’m sure everyone else including the joe’s and ira concure
February 8th, 2020 at 2:51 pm
Yep James…we do concur ^^^^
This kangaroo court stuff is getting old with no actual need. C’mon March 10th and March 18th the flood gates open.
February 8th, 2020 at 2:52 pm
*actual news
February 8th, 2020 at 4:10 pm
Well let me start by saying I’m a Bucs fan and whatever they decide to at the QB spot I cool with. Fans are putting a lot of energy into this and speaking on what they should do every single day and its mind blowing. I look at it like this Jameis is a top 15 QB or top 10 in this league. Much as folks wanna just jump to the ints which is fair he still has put the team in position to win and you seen a missed kick or the defense not close out the game. To be honest that has been Jameis’s entire career in Tampa. I just can’t see how you would say Derek Carr, Teddy Bridgewater, and Andy Dalton would be better for this team. Derek Carr 2014 3-13 record, 2015 7-9 record, 2016 12-4 record but he was injured 2017 6-10 record 2018 4-12 record 2019 7-9 record. Andy Dalton 5 consecutive playoff appearances NO WINS but he best to for the BUCS? Teddy Bridgewater 2014 7-9 record 2015 11-5 record, 2016 did not play 8-8 record, 2017 backup 2018 Backup 2019 backup. The one thing all these QBs have in common is that at the peak of their game their teams had two things that Tampa doesn’t have. A top rated defense and a solid rushing attack. So IMO I think you see what Jameis can do in year 2 of this system but consider drafting a QB in the 3rd or 4th to push Jameis. Lets be honest I’m still not sold on the defense yet. However I think we are seeing players develop under this coaching staff but we still have room to grow at Safety and DL depth. I know its easy to jump to the interceptions but lets not forget 3 missed kicks costed you the Giants, Seahawks and Falcons game. That alone gives you a 10-6 record. Not to mention in all three of those games the defense couldn’t get a stop to close out the game. So when folks throw out a QB name please just don’t say any name regardless of the ints Winston is better than more than what we think. Honestly the QBs everyone keeps bringing up why couldn’t they win with their current team the way its setup? Case and point Phillip Rivers. Chargers are setup way better than the Bucs but if he comes to the Bucs they are a super bowl contender? Just asking? If he is I can’t see the Chargers letting him go.
February 8th, 2020 at 6:07 pm
It’s about turnover margin, wins vs losses, and price vs. production
Jameis is not too 10. He’s ranked in advanced stats as around 25th when you consider the good/bad/ugly.
Just bc someone posts and says INTs don’t matter doesn’t make it true.
#TurnoverBlind
February 8th, 2020 at 8:06 pm
Teddy Bridgewater was 5-0 as a backup to Drew Brees, including wins over Seahawks, Cowboys and Bucs, of course.
Bridgewater consistently makes good decisions where to throw the ball.
He’s better than Jameis, despite tearing his ACL 2 years ago. He will throw 25 td’s and 8-9 picks every year, maybe more td’s with Bucs receivers.
And he WINS.
February 9th, 2020 at 12:00 am
Martini
I agree. “Win Now!” is the mantra.
I also have no idea what the Bucs will do and thus I have no speculations either.
I can’t wait to see what they actually do by March 18th.
I do have a decent amount of faith in BA because of what he has done with many other aspects of the team other than QB. Another way saying this is to say look at what BA has done with coaching up the rest of the team.
February 9th, 2020 at 11:57 pm
Why does everyone think BA is going to Draft a QB he is not here for future he’s here for Now