Jameis To … The Panthers?
February 12th, 2020
Carolina blues?
Boy, this would be fun… in a demented way.
So the chatter in Carolina about who is going to be the Stinking Panthers’ quarterback isn’t much different than it is in Tampa Bay.
Who knows?
Though Ira Kaufman is certain the meeting of the minds at One Buc Palace to hammer out a path to determine if Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston stays or goes has taken place, in Carolina, not even the owner has an idea of who he will pay to bark signals for the Stinking Panthers in seven months.
Last week Cam Newton claimed he would be Carolina’s quarterback. Stinking Panthers shot-caller David Tepper had this response yesterday:
“Is he healthy?” Tepper asked reporters of Newton. “Tell me that and then we can talk.”
With this as background, Joe brings some spitballing from Liam McKeone of TheBigLead. He’s trying to figure out which coaches/GMs/owners hand a rose to which of the big-named free agent quarterbacks. McKeone thinks Jameis will actually land in Carolina, as the Bucs wave goodbye to Jameis for Philip Rivers.
Jameis Winston — Carolina Panthers
The Bucs landed Rivers, so the Panthers decide to give a one-year prove-it deal to a former divisional foe. Winston clearly has the talent to be a starter (see: 30 touchdown passes) but there’s still a lot of work to be done before he can be considered a good one (see: 30 interceptions). Carolina will likely be in a bridge year in 2020 if they decide to move on from Cam Newton; they aren’t well-situated to land one of the top QB prospects in this draft, and don’t have an heir apparent in the wings. Winston has a year to prove himself, and Rhule gets a year to acclimate to the NFL without having to outright tank with Will Grier or Kyle Allen at the helm.
This would make Joe throw up, and many fans rejoice.
Joe cannot imagine Jameis playing the Bucs twice a year and racking up, oh, 800 yards passing and eight touchdowns.
The Bucs fans who cannot run Jameis out of town quick enough would embrace the six turnovers and two pick-sixes the Bucs would accumulate with Jameis on the other side of the line of scrimmage.
February 12th, 2020 at 8:13 am
So alot of these..articles..to get us to March 10th huh.
Well if this Liam character had any clue of actually who David Tepper is…his personality and background on Wall Street is, this wouldn’t even have been typed, by the leprechaun. No “fun” here. And Tepper most certainly will have a large hand in the QB picked there. (See trade the farm for Burrow from #7, especially after hiring LSU’s offensive coordinator to same role in Carolina–#7 to #1 not that hard).
February 12th, 2020 at 8:17 am
This will be “Blameless” largest problem that no one is talking about!!!!!!!!!! And that is all of the Defensive Coordinators and Secondary that will be very eager to Intercept jay-miss next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They will be telling the secondary that they can get 4 INT’s and will be p!$$3? If they don’t!!!!!!!!!!!! All week they will be talking of the turnover fest on Sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!
Teams will be looking and will be very aggressive for turnovers against america`s turnover machine!!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 12th, 2020 at 8:18 am
Softie93 and JayMiss Winsnone in the same team? That would be entertaining indeed.
Too bad it ain’t gonna happen.
February 12th, 2020 at 8:20 am
At least to the Combine in 2 weeks.
Read an article last night about when Washington mortgaged their literal future to move from 6th to 2nd I think it was.
Can’t imagine the Bucs would do this even if Burrow is lights out at the Combine.
Sounds more like good due diligence to me.
Elway did it too evidently.
Unless Dan is just stirring the Pot.
February 12th, 2020 at 8:27 am
Yeah Washington gave up 3 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder to move up 4 spots.
Cincy will get an absolute King’s Ransom if they trade it.
Especially outside the Top 6.
February 12th, 2020 at 8:32 am
I’d tap the breaks on Burrow – if your Cinci you probably have to pick him, but if you really think Tua is better, they have Dalton for another year to let Tua get healthy and maybe step in later in the year. But I wouldn’t sell my team’s future to get him. We’ll see how he does with a below avg Oline (pass protection and almost no running game)..he does have some weapons…especially if they resign Green..Hopefully he’s amazing, the league needs as many good QBs as possible..
February 12th, 2020 at 8:33 am
why would people rejoice him going to a division rival? Joe – people care about winning. i cheer for the tampa bay buccaneers the team. again i dont understand why you think people cheer for or against one player.
February 12th, 2020 at 8:37 am
I don’t know if Rivers would agree to a backup role and price, but that would be the only way he plays for the Bucs.
Winston will be our starter.
February 12th, 2020 at 8:39 am
chris L Says:
” i dont understand why you think people cheer for or against one player. ”
It’s because of the haters that frequent here and on Twitter. They do it all of the time.
February 12th, 2020 at 8:43 am
That would come back to haunt the Bucs, much like #93 going to the Panthers.
February 12th, 2020 at 8:51 am
bucs sweep the panthers if JW is there QB…..they dont have the weapons to bail him out….no olson….no ME13….no CG12…..
panthers o-line aint much better than ours…..if the o-line is an excuse here, it’ll be an excuse up in CAR….lol….
JW going to the panthers will have the same effect as GMC going to the panthers…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
February 12th, 2020 at 8:53 am
miken
we beat them the 1st time up in CAR……JW gave them 5INTs in london….GMC aint come back to haunt us….JW haunted us…
GO BUCS!!!!!
February 12th, 2020 at 8:54 am
Licht should go for Mariota maybe you can make up for his mistake 5 years ago. How come less expensive than jameis you can have them for a couple years maybe he’s a little bit more trainable teachable
February 12th, 2020 at 8:58 am
@813.. it was a joke. Many people said he was good here and would dominate in carolina. They would say the same with Jameis but making are rival worse would be pretty sweet.
February 12th, 2020 at 8:59 am
Obviously nothing but writers driving the news, they know nothing and so much speculation going on. Panthers destroyed them once and barely lost to them the other time, this owner wants to win so in this writers mind it makes sense that he’d pay winston more than cam a guy was a league mvp and actually led his team to a superbowl….that’s brilliant.
They could easily play cam and draft his replacement like we should do
February 12th, 2020 at 8:59 am
I would actually think the Panthers would be one of the LAST teams to take him after the 5 interception game in London.
But, yea, I would not really having him play for Carolina.
If he is not here, I hope he is in the AFC.
February 12th, 2020 at 9:02 am
I say Licht is the problem he shouldn’t have got a new contract they should have fired him!!!
February 12th, 2020 at 9:04 am
Three different coaches in the last 5 years
February 12th, 2020 at 9:04 am
It would haunt the Bucs for years.
I remember being a teenager and being so upset that the Bucs traded their starting QB because he threw 11 touchdowns against 21 interceptions and was 3-16 as a starter. I knew he had great talent, but just needed to be guided properly to cut down on his interceptions.
The former Bucs QB(Steve Young) ended up being a 2 time MVP of the NFL and was a Super Bowl MVP before his career ended with the 49’ers.
February 12th, 2020 at 9:09 am
I am a JW fan, Ocala, but to be fair…. I think if Steve Young had the offensive talent around him that JW does……. he would have won ALOT of football games right here in TB.
February 12th, 2020 at 9:17 am
miken
ok…got cha…
in that case you’re right!!!!….lol….
GO BUCS!!!!
February 12th, 2020 at 9:19 am
Love it Sean Murphy Bunting can feast two times a year.
February 12th, 2020 at 9:28 am
Redskins gave up all that to end with the #2 pick again this year? dang.
February 12th, 2020 at 9:35 am
Winston has only played in 1 type of offense, deep vertical high risk with no real threat at RB, and let’s not forget the putrid defense and suspect playcalling, he goes to the Colts, Chargers maybe even Vegas, gets a chance to have legit weapons at RB, better OL play, better coaches (Leftwich was horrible) then Lichts and Bucs fans worst nightmare would come true, Winston will become what Dork couldn’t make him, and Licht couldn’t support him with, a winning QB
February 12th, 2020 at 9:40 am
Don’t forget- the people who jettisoned Steve Young were the same people who screwed up the Bo Jackson situation.
February 12th, 2020 at 9:42 am
A great QB, we’ve never had one that we can say he led us to the Superbowl.
February 12th, 2020 at 9:44 am
If Winston did go to the Panthers, the Bucs DB’s would get 2 chances per year to pad their stats.
Plus, the Bucs would get 2 division wins.
February 12th, 2020 at 10:12 am
” six turnovers and two pick-sixes the Bucs would accumulate with Jameis on the other side of the line of scrimmage”
And the two wins that come with it. THAT is what matters. Not Winston’s garbage yards.
February 12th, 2020 at 10:14 am
It would be exciting to see JW throw pick 6’s to us for a change and while I’m sure he would throw for 400 yards, we’d get 2 crucial division wins. Not going to happen though, Panthers don’t want him and the Bucs will keep him.
February 12th, 2020 at 10:17 am
“Joe cannot imagine Jameis playing the Bucs twice a year and racking up, oh, 800 yards passing and eight touchdowns.”
Joe, you forgot the 9 interceptions (3 of them pick 6) the Bucs would get from JW as well as 2 wins.
February 12th, 2020 at 10:23 am
I wouldn’t go to any of those places. I would go to Pittsburgh. Sign a 1 year deal.
February 12th, 2020 at 10:32 am
If I were Winston I would love to go to the bears. He has a strong arm to pierce the Windy City and bad weather conditions in Chicago. They have a strong enough defense to make up fir any of his mistakes. The colts would also be another team I would consider. Great offensive line, running game and they play indoors. If the bucs let Jameis go – it will be another 40 years before they find another one as good. I’ll be dead by then. If you don’t win a Super Bowl – entertainment on Sunday is a good way to go. HE IS ENTERTAINING AS HELL!
February 12th, 2020 at 10:46 am
yes please. we could use a guaranteed 4-6 turnovers for our defense. in 2 games. JPP and Shaq would hurt him!
February 12th, 2020 at 11:00 am
The Bucs would go from throwing the most INTs in the NFL to having the most INTs, plus improve their record bv four wins. Sounds like a great plan.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:03 am
Again, no one is talking about bringing Jay-Miss to be the future of their franchise. The Bears may want to bring him in to compete with Trubisky. The Panthers may bring him in as a bridge-the-gap QB. Why should the Bucs compete with themselves when it comes to Jay-Miss?
I said it two years ago that Jameis Winston is a younger version of Ryan Fitzpatrick. This off-season is already proving me right.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:04 am
Who cares if he throws 8 TDs against the Bucs if half of those are to Bucs dbs?
February 12th, 2020 at 11:11 am
Guzzie – please share with us your NFL coaching credentials to back your statements. If you don’t have any that’s ok, I’ll just know they are speculation.
Would any of you be truly scared to go against JW and the Panthers 2x a year?
I wouldn’t be. I’d look forward to it.
We shut down McCaffrey, because we can (and did) and it turns into a turnover fest! Woot woot!!
In BA I Trust!
February 12th, 2020 at 11:55 am
So how is Jamies rated on NFL.com among top 57 qbs? #22…Ryan Fitzpatrick is ranked #17. Flacco #33. Cam Newton…#40. Nice.
February 12th, 2020 at 12:02 pm
Carolina would be a great place for Winston. New money owner, richest in the league, who will bring modern ideas emphasizing analytics and the back end infrastructure, scouting, medical, physical facilities. Look for entirely new things like injury analytics and linebackerless defensive sets coming to the fore.
February 12th, 2020 at 12:30 pm
That comment by Sharthappens should be deleted. There’s no place for racist comments here!
February 12th, 2020 at 12:32 pm
If the fabled “quarterback whisperer” couldn’t coach the buffoonery out of Jameis in one year, I highly doubt that a rookie coach is even going to try. As much as I like Jameis’s potential, I just don’t see him getting a guaranteed starting job if we part ways with him. Someone may sign him to compete, but he’s not being handed the starter’s job with his resume.
February 12th, 2020 at 12:32 pm
This would be great for Tampa. Turn the page frickin page already. Winston would have to beat out the starting QB in Carolina first.
February 12th, 2020 at 12:33 pm
This works for me. Our secondary would eat him alive.
Pick 6’s for everyone!!!
February 12th, 2020 at 12:59 pm
Don’t forget the fumbles and sacks that Winston would give up
February 12th, 2020 at 1:19 pm
Well guess who wrote this one
Dont forget to add 6 ints A fumble lost And 2 pick sixes
February 12th, 2020 at 1:24 pm
Let him torpedo a division for.
Peace, out
February 12th, 2020 at 1:25 pm
no ndog, lamarcus or nutter on this article?……lol….
chumps…..
come tell us how great JW would be with CM and GMC…lol….come tell us that JW would take the panthers to the SB like CAM did and win it all…..lol….
GO BUCS!!!!!!
February 12th, 2020 at 1:38 pm
Big O Says:
February 12th, 2020 at 8:54 am
Licht should go for Mariota maybe you can make up for his mistake 5 years ago. How come less expensive than jameis you can have them for a couple years maybe he’s a little bit more trainable teachable
^^^
This is a classic. Big 0 if you’re under 13, I apologize and go Bucs. Otherwise this is a perfect example of the reasoning skills or lack of that people who want to drive Jameis out of town possess. This really sums up average Bucs fan.
February 12th, 2020 at 2:54 pm
Works for me. Maybe he can put in a good word about bringing back his bud GMC on a similar 1-year prove it deal.
All’s good as long as we have Suh and [almost anybody] in Tampa.
February 12th, 2020 at 3:00 pm
Big O Says:
“Licht should go for Mariota maybe you can make up for his mistake 5 years ago. ”
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You MUST be kidding.
Mariota is definitely NOT better than JW.
He literally does nothing.
February 12th, 2020 at 3:00 pm
Joe I can one up you. I ralphed just reading this story and the mere suggestion. I might gotta see a doctor if this actually did happen.
February 12th, 2020 at 3:11 pm
Apologies man. 🙁
February 12th, 2020 at 3:45 pm
It is probably mostly up to Jameis. The Bucs are going to low-ball him early. If he takes it, he will be our QB next season, with competition.
If he refuses, Carolina might be the only place that will take and promise him more than a back-up spot.
February 12th, 2020 at 4:02 pm
Sorry bonzai to dissappoint you the Glazers are not going to cough up 30 mil for Jaymiss
February 12th, 2020 at 5:05 pm
Do it Carolina… do it. I dare you.
February 12th, 2020 at 5:38 pm
I would love the Panthers to sign JaJameis if the Bucs let him walk. “800 yards and 8 Tds” ALONG WITH 16 PICS AND 3 FUMBLES!!!
February 12th, 2020 at 8:10 pm
Double dare you, Carolina!
Do it!
Restore hope, start anew, get back to the playoffs.
New QB, less turnovers, more team success.
February 12th, 2020 at 8:57 pm
That would be a Merry Christmas to all of us!!! Except NDog!! He’d be gettin Coal !!!
February 12th, 2020 at 11:07 pm
Thanks for not posting my comment Joe. Guess the read sucked.
February 12th, 2020 at 11:22 pm
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NFL offseason insider notes: Buccaneers must keep Jameis Winston, elite pass rushers to get tagged, and more
By Jason La Canfora13 hrs ago • 7 min read
The Buccaneers should find a way to keep Jameis Winston. They’ve come this far with him, on the field and off, and to walk away now doesn’t make much sense. Even if it costs them one more year — at around $28 million or so — it’s more than worth it, especially after paying him over $20M last year on his fifth-year option.
The longer I have analyzed and considered the options for Tampa at quarterback, the more I keep coming back to Winston, the first overall pick from 2015, being back there in 2020. I don’t see an avenue for them to upgrade, frankly, and certainly not at this non-exclusive franchise tag price point. Sure, they have kicked around the idea of Philip Rivers internally, but I’d much prefer another year of an ascending 25-year-old versus two years of a (rapidly) descending Rivers; if the interceptions with Winston are the biggest issue, I’m not signing a guy 10 years older who has the same issues, only with a declining arm and for the same amount of money.
Otherwise, what are we talking about here? Tom Brady and Drew Brees aren’t going to Tampa. The Panthers aren’t trading Cam Newton in the NFC South. Derek Carr isn’t enough of a downfield threat for Bruce Arians (which is part of the reason Jon Gruden is open to moving on from Carr himself). Andy Dalton isn’t an upgrade. Teddy Bridgewater isn’t the big-armed bomber that Arians always covets (and he will be plenty expensive himself). Ryan Tannehill is gonna get tagged. And, well, even if Arians’ old buddy Andrew Luck somehow came out of his retirement (and there is zero evidence that is even a remote option), well, he’d be bound to the Colts, anyway.
So, seriously, what are the Bucs to do at quarterback outside of Winston?
Sitting at 14th overall, the run on QBs in the draft will have started way before they pick, and mortgaging everything to jump up 10 spots doesn’t make much sense. Arians isn’t in this for a five-year plan at this stage of his career given all his body has already been through. Taking a project in the mid-rounds is a huge risk. And going into 2020 with someone like Case Keenum or Joe Flacco as a reclamation project wouldn’t make sense either.
Another year of Winston, given the construction of this roster – coming off his historic 30 touchdowns, 30 interceptions, 5,000-yards season – is the way to go. And, frankly, giving the young man a little help would be in order. Say what you will about his decision making, but Winston has never had a semblance of a running game or a defense in his five years in the league (ex coordinators like Lovie Smith and Mike Smith exited the NFL, it’s worth pointing out, after struggling with the Bucs), and has always been in situation where chasing points and forcing the ball downfield were the only viable options.
It’s not all on him. It’s worth pointing out that Andrew Luck threw 18 picks in his first year with Arians in Indianapolis, and Carson Palmer tossed 24 picks in his first season with Arians in Arizona. And Winston did play through a broken hand last season, which may have something to do with leading the NFL in interceptions, too.
Since entering the league (2015) here is where the Bucs rank in several key metrics:
Yards per carry – 30th (3.9)
Rushing yards per game – 24th (103.4)
First down % on rushes – 31st (19.9%)
Rushing TDs – 25th
Points Allowed – 31st (2081, only Miami – 2089 – is worse)
Opposer Passer Rating – 31st (97.0, only Detroit – 98.6 – is worse)
Scrimmage Yards Allowed – 25th (377.2/game)
That’s an untenable situation for any quarterback, especially a one of his rookie contract who already has a lot of gunslinger in him, and who is carrying the with the weight of a first-overall selection on his shoulders. And it’s not as if the run game or defense was above average for a few years, and then really bad for others. They basically haven’t been able to run the ball at all or stop anyone from moving the ball on them for the entirety of Winston’s career.
Perhaps with a semblance of balance on offense and defense capable of the occasional key stop, Winston will curtail his turnovers and continue to make strides. The Bucs can’t afford to let this become a Drew Brees situation, where he ascended to superstardom after leaving San Diego for New Orleans at age 26.
After all they’ve been through to this point, the Bucs have more motivation than any team in the league to see it first-hand, in Tampa. It’s time to play tag and find out. Letting him walk now is too risky, and with teams able to use a franchise and transition tag in 2020 barring a new CBA, and the Bucs sitting on $85M in space, they can tag Shaq Barrett, too. That’s what I would do.
It’s time to pay or tag Winston.
February 13th, 2020 at 10:34 am
Joe; the last two paragraphs sum up the whole debate perfectly! The Bart Simpson paradox… damned if we do, and damned if we don’t.