“A Prescription For Failure”
February 11th, 2020
“Jason, The old guy makes a lot of sense.”
A Hall of Fame general manager weighed in on Decision Jameis yesterday.
Of course, Joe was paying attention as chatter on “The Blitz” on SiriusXM NFL Radio turned to Jameis Winston.
Hall of Fame GM Bill Polian talked about the impact of 30 interceptions in one season, Jameis’ total in 2019. “Back-breaking” was one adjective Polian tossed out there while explaining the effects on team psyche and performance.
“Interceptions for a quarterback are the most debilitating thing that can happen,” Polian said when speaking about Jameis.
“When you’ve got 30 interceptions, and your ratio is essentially 1-to-1, touchdowns to interceptions, that is a prescription for failure. It just is. Even with a Bruce Arians coaching you, where you’re going to get opportunities to make big plays down the field. It’s still, you can’t win doing that, and by that I mean going all the way.
“Bruce can take a team like Tampa Bay, where they infused a lot of youth in the defense. And Todd Bowles brought it around and made them play hard. And Bruce was able to create plays and they have a good receiving corps, and Bruce was able to create big plays down the field. That’ll get you to 8-8, 7-9, but you’re not going to go much past that if you’re going to turn the ball over at that rate.”
Interesting take by Polian, Joe believes, because it seems Polian is implying Jameis is the reason the Bucs didn’t have a winning season.
While Polian said Philip Rivers “is automatically a candidate for the Tampa Bay job,” Polian also went on to say he believes the Bucs will drop the franchise tag on Jameis, with the organization using the logic that Arians is the guy to coach the turnovers out of him.
February 11th, 2020 at 12:13 am
no one as of late chokes likes JW…
If the game is on the line, you can almost bet on an interception and even a pick 6 (look at their last game)..
February 11th, 2020 at 12:19 am
Jameis gives us the best chance to win in 2020. He is the only QB available with experience in this offense and there is evidence of a 2nd year jump. If we bring someone else in, they will be learning a new offense and will have to take their lumps learning an offense that is said to take a half year to get down, at least.
February 11th, 2020 at 12:36 am
Jameis is a gunslinger, you either coach that up & accept the flaws….Or move on.
February 11th, 2020 at 12:41 am
JW is a slump buster for opposing defenses. Sacks and Int’s will be generously served.
Backbreaking indeed. How much pressure will he experience once his salary skyrockets? Do any of you really think these players will keep eating crap sandwich’s and not say anything? Look at Shaq’s recent honesty tour.
Eventually it will turn into disdain.
If he comes back for 2020, I sure hope he executes, because we’ve seen almost every other player on the team improve under this coaching staff.
Last chance…Your turn JW.
In BA I Trust!
February 11th, 2020 at 12:47 am
Who holds the record for most interceptions in a season?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_single_season.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_career.htm
A lot of guys either in Hall or with at least one ring on career list.
I still Electro shock therapy for Jameis in practice. Every time he throws an INT he gets a shock. Every time he completes a TD pass he gets a biscuit.
I don’t want to see him look like Thor in Ragnarok all the time. But if he gets a little belly like Thor in End Game then it could indicate progress and maybe potential winning.
Sports analysts should do what Bruce and Byron are probably doing. Evaluate every INT or potential INT to see who’s fault, Jameis or receiver.
The the sports analysts can release these results after the Bucs decision to say everything is okay or you guys are so screwed now.
February 11th, 2020 at 12:50 am
Tye Says:
February 11th, 2020 at 12:13 am
no one as of late chokes likes JW…
If the game is on the line, you can almost bet on an interception and even a pick 6 (look at their last game)..
So what happened in the Colts game, Cardinals game, Seahawks game and Giants game?
In all 4 of these games Jameis was outstanding with the game in the line yet we lost two of them due to kicking and defense. When you have to due it every week you are not always going to succeed plus 2 of the times this year where he did not pull it off were when he had a freaking broken thumb and was missing 3 of his top WRs!
February 11th, 2020 at 1:14 am
Ndog- For them to remember those games it would require a memory, eyes, a brain, critical thinking skills, and then they’d have to admit that Jameis isn’t as inept as they’d like us to believe. That doesn’t fit their narrative that the only thing between the Bucs and a Lombardi trophy is Jameis Winston.
February 11th, 2020 at 1:30 am
Of course Jameis is coming back. I find it funny when I say this none of my haters jump down my throat but as soon as I mention how another QB could do just as good as Jameis has done you’d think I took their security blanket away from them. People just unable to debate without making it personal. Childish
February 11th, 2020 at 2:00 am
2 F’ING CHIP SHOT KICKS ANSD WE’RE 9 AND 7. f YOU ALL.
February 11th, 2020 at 3:30 am
I want Winston gone. I wanted him drafted in 2015 but I was wrong about him. He is still a turnover machine (averaging 22 a year), He still makes mistakes. He still seems Immature. But he’s ballin’
However, because the NFL is full of ego’s that believe they are the smartest people in the room (NDOG types) Winston will be brought back and given a chance to start for 2020. (hopefully a vet is brought in to compete and the 30-30 man just isn’t given the job)
And when 2020 is over and Winston has failed to deliver beyond what he can deliver, perhaps Arians and his golf cart retire, perhaps Licht will be cut loose, and another lost season is added to the Tampa Bay history books and another year spinning our wheels added to the “lost” decade (it is longer than 10 years). Then maybe change? But with these owners??
Then perhaps we will start fresh with a QB who may not have as many meaningless stats but can actually win football games.
I am firmly in the camp of wanting Jameis gone but even I can see the forest for the trees. and know “meaningless stats” will be back. All Winston needs is 14 wins in a row (with no losses) and He will be a .500 QB as a starter. (hey it only took 6 years)
Oh and of course he needs a better O-line, a better running game, a better Defense, better receivers, a better this a better that… maybe his eye surgery will help?
February 11th, 2020 at 4:44 am
With you there Pete, though I’m not as resigned/sold as you and others that it’s a given he’s back, even on the tag. A study of Winston’s #’s show he’s far from the best QB in the league, and the sheet don’t lie. We’ll see within the next month.
February 11th, 2020 at 5:07 am
Don’t be fooled.
JayMiss sucks.
Go Bucs!
February 11th, 2020 at 5:12 am
“Interesting take by Polian, Joe believes, because it seems Polian is implying Jameis is the reason the Bucs didn’t have a winning season.”
Huh?
“implying” nothing! Joe is acting like this is some huge surprise. Two INTs alone guaranteed the Bucs were to go 7-9 versus 9-7. Sprinkle in SF, CAR2, NO2, and TEN that is four more. If Winston makes HALF of the picks in those games they had a chance for 11 wins. Lots of people, myself included, have been saying Winston will never allow a team to be better than 9-7. So you can all of us plus Polian idiots for stating that, but I’d rather be on the side of Polian than some FSU nut hugging Winston apologist.
February 11th, 2020 at 5:14 am
Well, Bucs727, aren’t you just a ray of sunshine? There were enough issues this team had including the kicking game. No need to talk like a thug. We’re adults here. May not always agree but that’s to be expected on a message board. Enjoy your day.
February 11th, 2020 at 5:16 am
Pete I, I didn’t want him or Mariota, but one thing is clear: Jameis L. Winston has been a huge mistake for the Glazers. He was all they’d hoped he’d not be. Off field behavior in the same disgusting way as at FSU, hurting his team by being suspended, polarizing the fan base, and of course, a turnover machine…
Winston could very well be the longest running NFL first overall pick bust in NFL history. Five years…and his fifth year ends just about the same as his first.
The Glazers know they cannot let him hurt this team another year.
February 11th, 2020 at 5:19 am
Bucs727, Seriously?
Suppose you are right. 9-7 still doesn’t get you to the playoffs. I can tell you don’t buy tickets to watch this weekly QB debacle.
Since you want to make it about single plays, Winston cuts 10 INTs and the Bucs are at 11 wins.
I hope you and your boyfriend make up.
February 11th, 2020 at 5:20 am
Doosh’s 7 words pretty much sum it all up.
February 11th, 2020 at 5:38 am
How can Arians coach the stupid out of Jameis when he’s not coaching?
February 11th, 2020 at 5:39 am
It all comes back down to ACCOUNTABILITY. Many want BA & the Bucs to hold Jameis accountable for his performance last year by getting rid of him NOW. Some others recognize that BA didn’t hold Jameis accountable last year (‘Keep firing’? & by getting rid of his competition?) and THAT was a mistake … on BA’s part. It can’t be allowed to happen again.
IF the Bucs keep Jameis (and like Polian, I think that they will tag him for a year), Jameis needs to know that throwing interceptions WILL have consequences. That requires viable COMPETITION at the QB position. And NOT from a rookie QB who’ll make his own mistakes most likely and get skewered. Bucs need to find their own starter-capable, veteran back-up QB for 2020 if we bring Jameis back … someone the Bucs can turn to if Jameis goes south again. Apparently BA doesn’t believe that Griffin is THAT guy.
There are only 32 NFL starting QB positions in the world. Starting at one of those 32 positions isn’t a right bestowed on anyone because they’re royalty. They all must be earned by rising above the COMPETITION. If Jameis stays, let’s not make the same mistake again.
February 11th, 2020 at 5:39 am
Its not true that Jameis played well when the game was on the line in the giants
game ,NDOG. HE airmailed a ball to the safety and missed Evans completely at the 12 minute mark
of the fourth quarter . This is when your franchise QB should take over and hit the easy 3 rd and five for a first down and go in for a score. Any non biased fan should be able to see that. What is true is that he left it up to the defense and
kicker to win the game. He choked pure and simple ,Evans was open from hashmark to hashmark.
February 11th, 2020 at 5:57 am
Maybe the Buc’s retain Jameis and he is better in his second year in B.A.’s offense like Carson Palmer was. If he becomes as successful as Carson Palmer was, I will be extremely happy.
I do think however that the phrase you have to give a quarterback a 2nd year in B.A.’s offense is getting over sold.
Ben Roethlisberger played superb in his 1st year with B.A 2007. He had 32 TD’s and 11 interceptions in 15 games. Again B.A. arrived in 2007 not 2006.
In 2006, Roethlisberger had 18 TD’s and 23 interceptions in 15 games.
It did not take Ben two years to adjust to B.A.
February 11th, 2020 at 6:18 am
You can’t “coach the turnovers out of Winston” and you can’t fix stupid.
February 11th, 2020 at 6:44 am
Who thinks Winston is going to cure his turnover problem next year? I don’t. This is why I’m in favor of starting over at QB. It can’t be that hard to have a losing record 4/5 years or more turnovers than anyone.
Why stick with a QB you don’t win with? And, of BA and JL keep JW for another year and he bombs out-again- then what, is everyone fired?
I just can’t fathom a 6th year of the same crap. Count me as a fan who wants to win and if we lose in 2020 it needs to be bc of trying something different. Turnovers kill playoff aspirations.
February 11th, 2020 at 6:45 am
The turnovers make me weary of committing to a player long term with that kind of issue. Combine the losses and it’s a no effing brainer that we need to try something new.
February 11th, 2020 at 6:58 am
I’m neutral on Jameis, but the “stupid” remarks are probably motivated by something else considering the guy had schools such as Stanford offering him a scholarship. I know a bunch of “smart” people who were D-1 athletes as well that didn’t get that offer.
And to Geno, Bruce Arians was a wide receivers coach in Pittsburgh before being promoted to the offensive coordinator so Ben’s first year with BA was probably a lot of terminology, if not entire plays, that Ben was familiar with from the previous coordinator. Also, Ben won the Super Bowl with those 18tds and 23ints, not with the 32tds and 11ints year…just saying.
February 11th, 2020 at 7:18 am
Interesting take by Polian, Joe believes, because it seems Polian is implying Jameis is the reason the Bucs didn’t have a winning season.
Yes leading the league in penalties is a big deal, oj’s dropped passes that turned into interceptions but even with the interceptions not on winston no one had 16-17 turnovers so yea the losing season is on Winston. Quarterbacks are the reason you win or lose. Tannehill couldn’t beat the chiefs when the run game got shut down. Quarterbacks make the difference
February 11th, 2020 at 7:59 am
@tye, please name a single receiver jw had to throw to besides Justin Watson. I get that he throws too many picks but you at least have to give him the benefit of the doubt that in the last 2-3 weeks he had nothing but practice squad talent to throw to.
February 11th, 2020 at 8:01 am
@ncbucsfan
Jameis is a smart guy in the classroom, this is true I have a huge respect for any athlete that goes to Stanford or Notre Dame as their standards are not lowered for athletes to go there like SEC schools or other universities
That said, Jameis plays dumb, he makes stupid decisions consistently and in clutch moments. Nothing personal as I’ve never met him. Just judging his play and only his play. With the penalties and the turnovers that plague this team every year I’d say the team as a whole is stupid and it’s a fair assessment
February 11th, 2020 at 8:05 am
They need to figure out how many of those interceptions were a lack of knowledge in the offense by the Winston, receivers potentially being at fault, or just Winston doing what he has a tendency to do.
If 15+ of the 30 were on Winston then the answer of what to do is obvious. Obviously the tipped balls aren’t his fault if the throw was there and the decision was sound. Receivers making the wrong read at the top of a route aren’t on the QB. There were though a ton of WTF were you thinking interceptions that can’t be explained away by anything other than just dumb decision making and poor field vision.
I think he’s a lost cause personally from an eye ball test, but I also don’t have all the information.
February 11th, 2020 at 8:16 am
You cant talk about Winston with out the word IF!!! Time to move on !!!!!
February 11th, 2020 at 8:23 am
How quickly some forget…:
1. Niners game. Lost 31-17. Points off Winston t/o: 15
2. Panthers game. Lost 37-26. points off of Winston t/o: 16
3. Titans game. Lost 27-23. Points off of Winston t/o: 14
4. Saints game. Lost 34-17. Points off of Winston t/o: 14. Also had an int at the saints 1 yard line. Should’ve scored td. That’s actually 21 points lost.
5. Colts game. Won 38-35. Points off of Winston turnovers: 14
6. Texans game. Lost 23-20. Points off of Winston turnovers: 10 points. Also int on a game winning drive with 1:31 to go.
7. Falcons game. Lost 28-22. Points off of Winston turnovers: 13 points. Pick 6 to end that game and perhaps his Buccaneers career.
10 games with multiple ints. Yes, I’ll be the first to admit the defense isn’t perfect or fixed but if you think the above isn’t a problem, then I feel bad for ya.
REMEMBER PPL, 121 POINTS SCORED BY THE OPPONENTS OFF OF WINSTON TURNOVERS!!!!
45 TOTAL INTS BY 4 OTHER QBS WHO THREW OVER 600 PASSES EACH LAST SEASON. 45 INTS COMBINED BETWEEN THE 4 OF THEM!!!!
WINSTON: 626 THROWS, 30 INTS
4 OTHER QBS: OVER 2400 PASSES, 45 INTS
DONT FAKE THE FUNK!!!!
February 11th, 2020 at 8:42 am
I love it when “they” attack polian like he is clueless when he is absolutely right
Bucs players and coaches agree with most fans on same position.
But the arm chair qbs on this site no better
😂
February 11th, 2020 at 8:44 am
Someone mentioned the Giant game where Jameis was ballin, but Gay missed the winning FG. Yes as I remember Jameis had a great first half. His stats for the game looked great. However the game is 60 minutes, and Jameis choked in the second half of that game. As a rookie getting his first start lit up the second half coming from behind for victory, Jameis went 7-15 for 115 yds, no TD’s, with one interception. That be choke in, not ballin.
February 11th, 2020 at 8:51 am
i think they’ll bring him back on the tag and imo, it wont be good….we just saw how he performed under the pressure on a 1year deal in 2019…..
one things for sure, he wont have 30INTs in 2020….he may not even have 15INTs …..
if he has 10 by mid OCT like he did in 2019, im sure BA will pull him and that’ll be the end of JW much like MM….
GO BUCS!!!!!!
February 11th, 2020 at 8:54 am
I don’t know how some of you type and talk with Jameis’ football in your mouths.
Pathetic losers all of you.
February 11th, 2020 at 9:00 am
Basically, Polan is correct. Ints and Pick Sixes aren’t only an obstacle… after a while they become psychologically debilitating. You make a stand, and the QB gives it away totally on the next series. You just can’t have that with any regularity. I don’t know why some fans don’t get that?
February 11th, 2020 at 9:01 am
813…pull him? For whom? That is the question.
February 11th, 2020 at 9:12 am
Hey Joe – you left out the part where Polian said that if Arians doesn’t tag JayMiss it will be the death knell to JayMiss’ career as a starting QB. It sends the message to the league that JayMiss can’t be fixed.
But, we Buc realists already know that.
Peace, out.
February 11th, 2020 at 9:18 am
NPR.. I wouldn’t agree that Jameis’ career will be over if he isn’t tagged. But would think he may be on prove it contracts from this point on if he isn’t. And that results in dealing with a great deal of pressure, which hasn’t seemed to be his strong suit.
February 11th, 2020 at 10:14 am
Another great adjective to use is Neurosis Making. Imagine being an achy defensive guy who did his job and just needs a little to hydrate, cool down, and catch his breathe while to offense does their job.
Not with Jameis.
Imagine being a receiver who sees that a slight route adjustment can mean a touchdown if he turns left instead of right. Most QBs can see that adjustment.
Not Jameis. He will toss it close to where the receiver was supposed to go, someone will alibi him.
Do any teams have receivers that much better than ours, enough to take away 15-25 interceptions Jameis threw, I don’t think so, I think it is the QB and ours sux.
February 11th, 2020 at 10:21 am
The real question about Jameis is, are you helping your team win or are you helping the other team win? Anyone else watch PFT this morning(2/11) with Peter King almost blowing a fuse on why the Bucs should let Jameis walk? And let’s not forget what Jameis’ turnovers are doing to his teammates, I don’t remember which game it was but I remember Jameis throwing an interception on a pass intended for Mike Evans and Evans angrily yelling at Jameis “WHAT THE F**K HAPPENED?”, I truly believe some teammates are losing confidence in Jameis.
February 11th, 2020 at 11:22 am
Polian is right, but Jameis needs one more chance to see if the buffoonery can be coached outta him. Wake me up on April 23rd. 😜
February 11th, 2020 at 11:46 am
Tried and true: Teams that win the turnover battle, win 70% of the time.
“Says who?” you ask.
50 years of NFL data, that’s who!
This is not specific to Jameis Winston and the Bucs, this is the entire league.
But, but, but…
February 11th, 2020 at 11:51 am
History doesn’t lie, and the #TurnoverBlind are deemed (doomed) to repeat it!
February 11th, 2020 at 12:08 pm
mark2001
griffin, blaine, a rookie….
dont matter….the message is more important…holding JW accountable….20INTs after throwing 30INTs is unacceptable…..
if he has 10INTs by mid OCT like he did in 2019, we’re looking at another 7-9 season…..
BA will have a short hook for JW in 2020…..
GO BUCS!!!!!!
February 11th, 2020 at 12:29 pm
Jameis cost the Bucs 6 games according to a Times article. Throw in a couple for Gay, and the Bucs are 8-8. Just what Polian said. And that’s IF the defense doesn’t lose any games.
But at least Jameis threw for 5,000 yards!
February 11th, 2020 at 12:35 pm
What a shocker Jameis Winstons interceptions was a reason for our failure.
February 11th, 2020 at 1:55 pm
Defense Rules is 100% right on this. We have to have a viable no.2 option for Jameis next year.
To those of you thinking we cut bait right now with Jameis, that’d be a guarantee we are in rebuild mode. If Winston only slightly improves on the turnovers and the defense just maintains their level of play at the back half of the season, we will have a winning record. There is no realistic FA QB that offers more than JW (Brady or Brees ain’t happening), and the best rookie QBs will be gone before we pick, nor do we have the capital to trade up for them. Winston is a gamble, but the payoff is worth it and the alternative is rebuild. I’d rather the roll dice, and if sh1t hits the fan, pull him with no excuses, but we better have an option stronger than Ryan Griffin to go to.
February 11th, 2020 at 2:27 pm
I got moderated, not sure why.
I’m with Defense Rules- there better be a viable alternative backing up Winston next year. I think Winston will get better, but if doesn’t, we need to pull the plug fast.