Will Jason Pierre-Paul Command $13 Million In 2020?
January 5th, 2020
Joe nearly spit up a Big Storm Bromosa the other day reading a Tampa Bay Times analysis of the Bucs’ salary cap situation that speculated Jason Pierre-Paul could be re-signed for $8 million in 2020.
Yeah, right. JPP has 21 sacks in his last 26 games.
First, JPP’s 2020 salary was to be $12.5 million before he and the Bucs agreed to tear it up following his neck injury. Joe would bet anything JPP will be seeking at least that much cash for next season just on principle.
But keep in mind, a quick look at Spotrac.com reveals there are 20 or so edge rushers set to earn more than $10 million next season. And that’s just in base salary.
NFL fans watched Texans outside linebacker Whitney Mercilus yesterday against the Bills. The 29-year-old is not the player JPP is, but he’s very good and is in the middle of a contract averaging $13 million annually.
Joe could give other examples, but the point is JPP won’t come cheap unless there’s a bizarre health risk nobody knows about related to whatever he broke in his neck back in May. But there’s no evidence of that.
JPP and his team will surely remind the Bucs that he can play every snap and produce as a freakish athlete who just turned 31 years old. Joe is confident somebody will have no problem handing JPP quality guaranteed money for the next two years. And Joe suspects the sacks-challenged Falcons would be among the first in line.
January 5th, 2020 at 11:05 am
Obviously. ….Shaq Barrett comes first
Bye bye JPP
January 5th, 2020 at 11:13 am
JPP also needs to keep in mind we paid him quite a bit of coin this year why he couldn’t play due to an off field incident which we did not have to do. I don’t expect that to mean a huge discount but it should mean something.
January 5th, 2020 at 11:18 am
This order:
• Sign Shaq Barrett
• Franchise Jameis Winston; Explore the QB Market (can always release him if we find better)
• Sign Jason Pierre-Paul
• Sign Ndamukong Suh
• Sign Carl Nassib (Depth)
• Sign Breshad Perriman (Depth)
• Sign or Draft a Right Tackle
• Sign Kevin Minter (Depth)
• Sign Tanner Hudson (Developmental)
• Sign Ryan Smith (Depth)
• Sign Peyton Barber (Depth)
On the topic of Breshad Perriman, he won me over the second half of the year.
January 5th, 2020 at 11:19 am
Ndog Says
“JPP also needs to keep in mind we paid him quite a bit of coin this year”
You have to keep in mind that he dropped $4,000,000 off his salary because of that.
January 5th, 2020 at 11:21 am
According to Spotrac, Bucs have Est. Cap Space (All):
$91,779,675.
January 5th, 2020 at 11:22 am
Dancing around the good QB play of the younger QB yesterday Watson and Allen…thought for for JBF would have a comparison to Jamyth
January 5th, 2020 at 11:33 am
So if we spend $27m, $12m, $18m, $8m, $5m, $8m to resigns/franchise JW, JPP, Shaq, Suh, Nassib, and Perriman that I’d $68m for six players that leaves a whopping $24m to perhaps extend Godwin, find a right tackle, and fill out the remainder of the roster if the $91m figure is accurate. There would have to be casualties to fill out the 53, I’d imagine Brate, Jensen, Gholston, Allen and half of the safeties on the roster because of all the injuries.
January 5th, 2020 at 11:41 am
Priority ranks…Shaq first, JPP second, Suh third…..I think we get Shaq and JPP, I don’t think we can keep Suh as well. JPP can move around the line, he’s very versatile so he ranks higher then Suh. Nassib is odd man out….IMO. Good value for us but once he commands free agent money, the value is gone. Same with Perriman….decent value for us this year but he’s going to cash in elsewhere. I think Brate or Howard are gone….we’ll either get a decent pick out of that or extra cap space. Barber is out or brought back at a minimum, he’s nothing special, same with Ryan Smith….good value on rookie deals but replaceable
January 5th, 2020 at 11:43 am
@Bonzai:
Sign Shaq Barrett
Cut Cam Brate – 6 million and no dead cap space
Sign JPP
Sign Rt Tackle or draft right tackle 1st/2nd round
Sign Suh
Franchise Winston; explore QB market at same time.
Explore free agent running backs – Drake, J Howard, D Henry, L Miller, P Barber, M Gordon – Based upon value v market
Get 4th cornerback better than Ryan Smith or MJ Stewart.
Decide if Justin Evans will be health and get 3rd safety if not.
Get another depth offensive lineman in draft as it is a strong year for offensive line in the draft. Love Johah Jackson – Ohio State in 3rd round or later.
Sign Minter as depth.
Rather invest money that might go to Perriman in better line and better running backs. But overall would be happy if we got Perriman back. Just think his price tag will be at least $9 million and money could be better on our weaker positions.
January 5th, 2020 at 11:44 am
Pay the proven players with Jameis’s money and draft a QB….did you see Watson and Allen yesterday…that is what I am talking about !
January 5th, 2020 at 11:59 am
Yes keep Shaq, JPP an Suh. Nassib is expendable. Trade OJ or Brate to the Pats. Nassib should get backup money. Teddy Bridgewater would be excellent replacement for the Blind Clown Prince. Perriman needs to be retained.
January 5th, 2020 at 12:09 pm
We gambled on JPP & we won and lost……we won because we stuck with him and saved a few bucks in 2019…..we lost because we are hanging out there…..I think $13 mil is about right…..maybe less if we do a 3 year deal with him (recommended)
We have enough money for Jameis, Shaq, JPP, Suh, Godwin & Perriman……but not a lot left after that…
We need to draft a RT & a DE/DT in rounds 1 & 2 and a RB in round 3….hopefully that giant load from Alabama, Harris…..someone who can move the pile for us.
January 5th, 2020 at 12:10 pm
Perhaps it’s the new year…but fair is fair…I agree with this well thoughtout/crafted post:
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
January 5th, 2020 at 11:18 am
This order:
• Sign Shaq Barrett
• Franchise Jameis Winston; Explore the QB Market (can always release him if we find better)
• Sign Jason Pierre-Paul
• Sign Ndamukong Suh
• Sign Carl Nassib (Depth)
• Sign Breshad Perriman (Depth)
• Sign or Draft a Right Tackle
• Sign Kevin Minter (Depth)
• Sign Tanner Hudson (Developmental)
• Sign Ryan Smith (Depth)
• Sign Peyton Barber (Depth)
On the topic of Breshad Perriman, he won me over the second half of the year.
January 5th, 2020 at 12:27 pm
We have enough to resign the line and not give Winston more than 21. Sorry joe 5 years of inconsistency and gives you no reason to expect different. 5000 great is that a guarantee every year just as much as 30 plus INT and 7 fumbles and 7-9
Like to see a positive article for the Bucs retaining player instead of creating a negative narrative that we will lose everyone except your man crush JW.
January 5th, 2020 at 12:30 pm
When we sign him we need to do everything in our power to keep him safe and out of harms way. We can’t have another mysterious injury keeping him out of TC and half the season.
January 5th, 2020 at 12:44 pm
Largely agree with Geno and Bonzai. At least most guys who are for resigning JW are adding that we keep our options open. Again I favor the LUV deal trading JW to Miami for two of their top picks.
Hindsight is 20-20. But not here at JBF so lets start a real debate.
What if…we had traded that #1 pick we wasted on JW for a boatload of picks and started rebuilding from the trenches out…DL…(get Joe’s edge rushers) OL…RB
And yeah finally a young QB in a much later round. Where might we be right now?
We’ve not only spent far too much money on JW we burnt FAR too much draft capital to get him. The freaking #1 pick in the entire draft. If we could pull off the LUV gambit we’d at least recapture some of that lost draft capital…re balance our cap and stop throwing good money after bad.
January 5th, 2020 at 1:30 pm
Pay old jpp that kind of money.. no thanks…
January 5th, 2020 at 1:34 pm
you gotta pay jpp what you were supposed to this upcoming season before you ripped up the contract…otherwise he will be offended, because he seems totally good to go after the car accident and neck injury…
#TheManIsSimplyAyeBeast
January 5th, 2020 at 1:38 pm
you’re just gonna have to pay all key cogs what they are worth…
cut all well paid loose moving parts, even if it hurts to let them go…
and then sign replacements like last season, on cheap 1 year prove it deals…
there is work to do…
licht will have to go easy on the dunder and blixen until it’s all dealt with and settled
January 5th, 2020 at 1:38 pm
Who cares if he offended… this a business. Cant let this guy pull a vincnet jackson
January 5th, 2020 at 1:48 pm
Shaq, JPP, Suh and Nassib first. Extend Lavonte and Godwin. Then figure out quarterback.
January 5th, 2020 at 1:49 pm
941
“Pay old jpp that kind of money.. no thanks…”
Do the names Julius Peppers and Reggie White ring a bell. They put up big numbers from the DL well into their late 30’s.
If JPP tells me he has five years left I believe him. He’s not a bser, He said he come back from a blown up right hand…HE DID…he said he’d come back from a broken neck…HE DID! He’s earned my respect and with it my confidence.
January 5th, 2020 at 2:02 pm
First all the qb talk is getting old whether we like it or not jameis aint going anywhere so we might as well stop “not accounting” for the $25mil he is gonna get!. Secondly “st pete bucs fan” father time is undefeated man… great teams get rid of players a little early instead of “too late”. Green bay, new england, pittsburgh has been doing it for years. Its time for us to get on that bandwagon
January 5th, 2020 at 2:10 pm
I would agree that you have to offer JPP what was on the books for next year……and, it works both ways…..he shouldn’t try to stick us up for much more than that….perhaps a slight raise…..$13 mil.
After all….we took a chance on him and had no idea if he could come back healthy.
I think JPP will cooperate especially if there is a longer term offered and we should lock him down for 2 or 3 years.
January 5th, 2020 at 2:17 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
January 5th, 2020 at 11:18 am
This order:
• Franchise Jameis Winston; Explore the QB Market (can always release him if we find better)
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think we can do this….once a player has signed the franchise tender, we are obligated to that salary for the year….
January 5th, 2020 at 2:25 pm
I sure hope saving that 4 million dollars saved to void that year on his contract was worth it. It sure would be nice to have him still under contract so they can focus on all the other FAs they need to resign.
January 5th, 2020 at 3:01 pm
There is room for both jpp and shaq on this roster without gutting it. Stop trying to be capologist people it wont be hard to resign them both. The only issue is they wont be able to do much in free agency which I could care less about unless they are gonna have a couple 1 year contracts like 2019.
January 5th, 2020 at 3:04 pm
Bonzai … “According to Spotrac, Bucs have Est. Cap Space (All): $91,779,675”.
That number is virtually meaningless UNLESS put into context. For instance, if you already had your 2020 53-man starting roster paid for, then $91.8 mil would be a HUGE amount left over. But if you only have a handful of your 2020 starting roster covered but it included a number of others who probably won’t make the team anyways, then that’s a whole different animal.
In our case, we’ve got 49 players under contract already for 2020 according to Spotrac. Someplace between 15-20 of those more than likely won’t make the 2020 53-man roster come Game 1 (my guess). For example: Kendell Beckwith is on that list, making $935K for 2020 … good chance he won’t make the 53-man roster. Many of the names at the bottom of that roster none of us have ever heard of.
But what’s even more significant is to look at who’s NOT on that list of players already under contract for 2020. Names like Winston, Dotson, Watford, Wells, Auclair, Perriman, JPP, Barrett, Suh, Nassib, Allen, Nunez-Roches, Minter, Adams, R Smith. Quite a few of just those 15 UFAs (roughly half) were starters for us in 2019, and we’ll have to fill those spots with comparable starters and the other slots with comparable depth players. Plus we’ll have 6 draft picks to pay (typically $9-$10 mil).
Money for 2020 is actually as tight as it was in 2019 IMO, maybe more-so because we’ve got more FAs to feed. Jason Licht has his work cut out for him. Be afraid … be very afraid.
January 5th, 2020 at 3:10 pm
StPete
That trade to Miami makes almost no sense. They are no trading their draft picks. They just spent all year coming up with a future plan for their franchise & I’m sorry they are no going to up and change their plan to suit Tampa Bays desire.
They are in a full outright rebuild. They are going to assemble a young and very cheap roster they can develope for a few seasons. Their window to go on a title run isn’t for a few years. They aren’t making big-time player trades or tying themselfs to long-term contracts til they get close. In a few years you’ll probably see them go after some big names to fill in whichever one or two players away they are. And it might not even be for a QB and I’m sure their plan includes having a young QB still on a rookie contract that gives them much more spending freedom.
It’s honestly one of the worst fitting tarde ideas I can remember. Ain’t happening bro. Maybe a Chicago or a Oakland could happen. It would almost have to be a team that sees themself a QB away from contention. Miami aren’t a QB away from nothin
January 5th, 2020 at 3:25 pm
@Tbbf … “Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think we can do this….once a player has signed the franchise tender, we are obligated to that salary for the year”.
That’s my understanding too TBBF. However, I believe that if we use the non-exclusive tag, others can make him an offer and if we don’t match it they owe us TWO 1st round picks. I wonder if that’s ever happened though.
It’s the TIMING of this whole FA-Drafting process thing that’s the catch IMO. Feb 25th is the first day to franchise or transition tag players, and Mar 10th is the last day to do it. All 2019 player contracts expire on Mar 18th (4 PM) and that’s when free agency period begins (that’s also when the 2020 trading period begins). The NFL Draft is Apr 23-25 in Las Vegas this year.
If Bucs franchise Jameis, we’d better be prepared to own him for 2020. If we let him walk, we’d better be prepared to sign a veteran FA QB in the FA period REGARDLESS of whether or not we opt to draft a QB this year. Interesting times ahead.
January 5th, 2020 at 3:44 pm
Giving guys who deserve a big contract like JPP is the right way to go and sets a good example for the rest of the team. Even if the length of the contract is short, he is well worth 13 million per year. Pay this dude.
January 5th, 2020 at 4:04 pm
Pay the man PERIOD. Edge rushers are not easy to find, obviously franchise Shaq, pay Suh his 8-10 million , make fair offers to Nassib and Perriman. If $ is an issue try to trade Brate for a pick and IMO explore trade market for Jensen, Marpet as both are good not great and tying up alot of cap space.
January 5th, 2020 at 4:04 pm
Draft Javon Kinlaw at #14 and trade JPP for picks. We have good, young/prime players that are going to cost money at some point if we want to become a contender every year. Have to resign Shaq, LVD, and Godwin before 2021. Three guys you would be crazy not to resign to long term contracts. Pay a legit prime RT in FA to give us more room in the draft.
January 5th, 2020 at 4:39 pm
Joe
Mercilus signed a 4 year extension about a week ago. Not going anywhere.
January 5th, 2020 at 4:58 pm
Kirk freakin Cousins (to quote Joe) and Tannehill have advanced in the playoffs. So I think our priority should be signing and keeping this defense together. Winston can accept a franchise tag at best or move on.
January 5th, 2020 at 5:47 pm
he is worth every penny he asks for.. not going to take plays off…… guarantied
January 5th, 2020 at 5:57 pm
@alter you once again make me feel like you dont even watch the games you talk about. Josh allen was trash yesterday and collapsed, losing the game for his team. Most of his throws were off target and had multiple fumbles and a pick. Along with his mind numbing toss back on the last drive of regulation while falling.
We get it, you dont like Jameis, but pretend to view things from an even playing field troll.
January 5th, 2020 at 6:01 pm
Defense
I have no problem with letting Winston walk if someone offers him better than the franchise tag…..at least we will get 2 #1 picks from them and will have plenty of money to sign someone…..
All of this will have to happen before the draft unless we make a huge trade up to about #6 to assure one of the top few QBs…..and I don’t think we will do that.
It’s Jameis or a FA….
January 5th, 2020 at 6:40 pm
TBBF … “It’s Jameis or a FA”. Agreed, although Bucs may very well draft a QB if one that BA likes happens to fall to us.
Personally I wish that they’d hold the draft BEFORE free agency. The draft is a crapshoot far as I can tell (most teams don’t have a clue IF the players that they like will be there when their turn to pick comes). Doing free agency AFTER would allow the teams to fill in the ‘holes’ they still have remaining with FAs. Must be a reason though that they do it in the reverse.
January 5th, 2020 at 6:58 pm
Letting jpp go imo would be worse than the aguayo pick
Don’t drop the ball Jason.
January 5th, 2020 at 7:53 pm
Sign jpp to a 3 year deal for a total of $ 30000000 none guaranteed must play in all games and he’ll have incentives.If he says no well then SEE YA.
January 6th, 2020 at 1:55 am
Get a qb in free agency and the draft in my opinion. Especially if we can get our hands on Bridgwater. Winston may get better,but still gone be Winston 🤞.. like fr.fr..,it’s yo contract year and you throw 30pics for the season 🤔🤔..Hit da road👉
January 6th, 2020 at 8:22 am
3-5 years for Winston
Franchise Barrett
Resign JPP
Resign Suh
Cut Brate
Resign Hudson
Bye Bye Nassib (we Nelson)
Bye bye R Smith
Draft OT 1st rnd
Draft or FA Saftey
Resign Perriman
Bye bye Barber (unless super cheap)
Bye bye Minter
January 6th, 2020 at 10:28 am
Do it.