Michael Vick Talks Jameis
January 1st, 2020
Mike Vick talks Jameis
Can Jameis Winston be fixed?
The fact that fixing a quarterback who has made 70 NFL starts under well-established offensive coaches is a popular discussion, well, that’s a whole different topic.
All kinds of NFL heavyweights are serving up thoughtful takes on America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, and put Michael Vick in that mix. He’s the legendary former No. 1 overall pick quarterback who spent 13 years in the NFL sandwiched around a federal prison sentence.
Vick works for FOX and spoke this week about how he likes that Jameis publicly acknowledges his mistakes, is fearless in his game and works tirelessly.
But Vick sees a guy who needs help with the mental side of the game. That’s “the fix” needed, Vick said, and he feels good about the coaches around Jameis assigned to make that happen.
“The one thing he has to learn to do is sometimes say, “No.” In the moment it’s not easy to do,” Vick said. “You have to make a decision on the field when everything is going 100 miles an hour. But you can pull it down and you can run it. And you can throw it away. And that’s part of the fix.”
Better decisions. Bucs fans have been hearing about that hole in Jameis’ game for five seasons.
No, Joe doesn’t think Jameis will improve much in the area of decision-making. But Joe does think Jameis can build further on the positives in his game during Year 2 in Bruce Arians’ offense, starting with improved chemistry with receivers, which subsequently will improve his play.
Should the Jameis-Godwin chemistry be better next season? Yes. And the same goes for Breshad Perriman, if the Bucs pony up the cash to keep him, in addition to work with youngsters Scotty Miller and Justin Watson who are now much less raw than they were in September and October.
The historic Mike Evans/Jameis connection grows annually, and Evans is always willing to put in the time.
Improve at running back, maintain the receiving corps, and the defensive level of the second-half of this season, and Joe sees no reason why Jameis can’t be a 32-touchdown, 20-interception guy leading a playoff team.
Of course, that’s if the Bucs keep Jameis and don’t prefer a better ball-security quarterback.
January 1st, 2020 at 7:57 am
Vick…now that is hilarious what do you suppose he learned to do from his dumb stuff..Joe I realize you are trying to find something to print but really, Vick?
January 1st, 2020 at 8:01 am
we have heard this song before joe, in fact since jameis has got drafted, it’s not like he was drafted 22nd or in the 2nd 3rd round, the sob is a # 1 pick and you would think he would get it by now, i have been a big time supporter of winston, until this season, i am done, his swan song was enough, and i’m talking about his press conference after the game, he’s arrogant, combative, in denial, angry, or any other adjective or metaphor or label you would like to put on him, he will do what he has done, there is no fix, he is what he is, time to move on people, unless you want to be detroit south, oh yeah we already are!!!
January 1st, 2020 at 8:10 am
Some quality college QB’s playing today…a 1st round QB is the best bang of cap dollars in the NFL….
January 1st, 2020 at 8:14 am
Tell Jameis to get his eyes fixed. If he’s willing to take that simple step, offer him 4 years at $88 with 2 years guaranteed. The same as Nick Foles.
Foles was questionable but at least he was a Super Bowl MVP.
January 1st, 2020 at 8:20 am
Same Ol Song Joe
…………..JAMEIS CANNOT BE FIXED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
……..he is who he is……a very good 2nd stringer journeyman quarterback pretending to be a starter for the last five years.
January 1st, 2020 at 8:21 am
@ Ghost of Darrell Henderson
No……..he needs to get his brain fixed….it’s just stupid decision making
January 1st, 2020 at 8:24 am
Notice Vick is wearing an Eagles Jersey, but was drafted by Atlanta. Just like the Falcons had had enough of him is proof things don’t last forever. Like he moved on, so should Jameis, and so should the Bucs.
January 1st, 2020 at 8:26 am
Well said Anthem….
January 1st, 2020 at 8:35 am
Wishful thinking joe. It was all there in this one game. The defense he would need the line protection and the improved run game you speak of they were all working in this one game. You had all those things and he still made the bad decision on the final play of the game so improvement around him wont make him be smarter with the football
If a 5th year guy is throwing that many more picks than everyone else including rookies he is useless. Working on the mental side after 5 years seriously?
January 1st, 2020 at 8:46 am
I do too think Jameis problems are mental. However, what do the Bucs do. Do they go out and sign some big time free agent See K Cousin, N Foles and Kennum. Big money free agents who haven’t done nothing for what they have got paid. So we need to be careful of what we wish for. I think we should tag Jameis draft QB and develop him over next season or maybe the first 6 to 7 games and in this way the transition should be better when they move on from Jameis
January 1st, 2020 at 8:47 am
^^^^^^
EXACTLY!
January 1st, 2020 at 8:53 am
If you’re going to analyze Jameis, it’s not as simple as “he throws too many picks.” That is lazy analysis. Go back and watch all of Jameis interceptions this season. 19 of them were of the bad throw/bad read/bad decision variety, which yes is more than most qb’s. But, Jameis threw the ball more than anyone this year. If you average 40 throws a game you’re going to have a pick.
7 were tip ups gifted to the other team by his receivers, three were just great defensive plays. The rest were heaves at the end of half/game that you can’t really pin on him.
Joe hit the nail on the head – even look at Jameis career averages and you have a 30 TD 18 int a year qb. His TD percentage this year more or less stayed the same as his career AVG while his int % climbed almost 1.5%. It’s not a stretch to say playing in a new system and then losing two all pro receivers and have a broken thumb had something to do with that. Also, lots of bad luck (deflections, line of scrimmage tip ups, etc)
It would actually be completely idiotic and mindless to not give Jameis Winston one more year in Tampa to show he’s been a victim of circumstance. We’ll tolerate him until we can replace him, which right now we can’t, and once we have a running game and D, you’ll see that most people won’t want to.
January 1st, 2020 at 8:55 am
Non exclusive tag…let the market talk to Jameis…either pay him then or get paid…2- 1st round picks…which AIN’T gonna happen..even NDog wouldn’t pay 2 -1st round picks for Jameis’s record
January 1st, 2020 at 8:56 am
1 year deal to see if he can keep the numbers while reducing the ints to fewer than 15.
They can help him by getting a running game.
If he is able to do that, they make the playoffs. If that happens long-term deal. If it doesn’t, do everything they possibly can to draft Trevor Lawrence
January 1st, 2020 at 8:56 am
What do I care what that dog killing POS has to say about anything?
January 1st, 2020 at 9:05 am
Accuracy
January 1st, 2020 at 9:09 am
If you keep Jameis , you will keep having empty stadiums on Sunday.
January 1st, 2020 at 9:17 am
I think it is clear that the receivers coach should be fired, post-haste! The WRs on the field obviously cannot run crisp routes and haven’t for the past 5 YEARS which, leads to the INTs. Then, our problems will be fixed. Oh wait a minute, the WR coach has only been here a year? I’m confused!?
January 1st, 2020 at 9:18 am
@ Ghost of Darrell Henderson
Here is a man that makes millions, whom works for a family that makes billions, that his coach now wants to claim has eyesight problems that has been the cause of his problems on the field for the last 5 years. And not one of these people ever thought to have his eyes checked/fixed. It doesn’t take a genius to see the falsity in that claim. Now Joe wants to somehow blame “chemistry” with his receivers on his bad throws. 5 years of Jameis being Jameis is proof of what the Bucs will have in the future is they re-sign him.
January 1st, 2020 at 9:20 am
Great. So 20 more interceptions. Great idea. All but two of the QBs in the playoff have under ten. Wow. The fanboys never stop.
January 1st, 2020 at 9:21 am
Vick isn’t wrong but as already pointed out, we’ve known this about the decision making. I dont see it changing on the field so yes draft a QB in the 3rd and I agree let’s get a stud RB for once. Rojo is not an every down back but imo would thrive behind someone more confident leading the way.
January 1st, 2020 at 9:23 am
No, Joe doesn’t think Jameis will improve much in the area of decision-making.
I think that’s it right there. To win a championship the man with the ball has to make good decisions. Jameis doesn’t spread the ball around very well. He locks onto the same receiver almost every game. And he locks onto them with his eyes. For a defense, he’s too easy to predict.
January 1st, 2020 at 9:32 am
If you are going to keep Jameis……you could offer him a 2 year deal at the tag figure…..but only 1 year guaranteed….
Tell him, it’s his choice…..take it or be tagged.
Let him know that the tag is needed for another player and forcing the Bucs to tag Jameis would hurt the team.
January 1st, 2020 at 9:33 am
@bucanthem
“No……..he needs to get his brain fixed….it’s just stupid decision making”
The brain is a computer, data is entered into the brain through the eyes and ears.
If you have bad eyesight, you have bad data.
Garbage in equals garbage out.
How does Kevin Kiermaier make those fantastic catches in center field. His eyes see the pitch, his eyes see the swing, his eyes see the ball’s direction, his ears hear the sound of contact, his brain tells his body to pivot and his legs to start running.
There are dozens of instantaneous calculations made before he leaps up next to the fence and makes the grab. Then his eyes and brain tell him what to do with the ball.
If Kevin had untreated near sightedness, he would be delivering packages for Fedex.
Jameis needs to fix his eyes before he gets paid!
January 1st, 2020 at 9:33 am
Hey Pewter, you failed to mention the 9 points the kicker left on the field.
January 1st, 2020 at 9:40 am
Here is what I would term “a bucs life”; Having a D line that is great, having a rookie secondary that was horrible the 1st 8 games, but made great strides in the last 8 games. So much so that we fans are excited to see these rookies next season. Then we come to a QB that has played 80 games for the Bucs and is worse than he was in his 1st season. Yet the bucs are considering paying the QB so much money that we cannot re-sign all of our good players. Now that is a Bucs life! It’s a shame that the rookies learned and played so much better within 16 games, while the ” QB” that has not learned or played any better in “80” games is even being considered for next year.
January 1st, 2020 at 9:40 am
Right after throwing a pick six to end the season, he makes the ballin’ comment in the press conference. Talk about poor decision making. New moniker: “Mr. Humility.”
Dude just doesn’t get it. Can you imagine being a coach or a teammate of his after working your tail off in that game and hearing that?
January 1st, 2020 at 9:59 am
How did this dude stay in circulation? He’ll always be a ghetto dog fighter to me.
January 1st, 2020 at 10:04 am
Remember, anyone that can keep his job knowing he can throw 30 INTs could put up Jameis numbers. #moveonfromthismess
January 1st, 2020 at 10:18 am
Really can’t wait until a decision is made so we can move on from this debate.
January 1st, 2020 at 10:26 am
“The one thing he has to learn to do is sometimes say, “No.” In the moment it’s not easy to do,” Vick said. “You have to make a decision on the field when everything is going 100 miles an hour. But you can pull it down and you can run it. And you can throw it away. And that’s part of the fix.” Worst advice Michael Vick ever gave to Nunez-Roches.
January 1st, 2020 at 10:26 am
The best QB option to win games in 2020 is Jameis Winston. BA knows this. It will happen no matter how much the trolls whine and complain.
January 1st, 2020 at 10:31 am
Didnt read it.
I could care less what a scumbag like Michael dick has to say.
Just another piece of Garbage, we’ve made a millionaire- because hes good at playing with a ball.
Nauseating
January 1st, 2020 at 10:48 am
1sparkybuc Says:
January 1st, 2020 at 10:26 am
The best QB option to win games in 2020 is Jameis Winston. BA knows this. It will happen no matter how much the trolls whine and complain..
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beaten wife syndrome
January 1st, 2020 at 10:54 am
Joe, do we really need Mike Evans Chris Godwin Reshard Perriman Cameron Brate Scotty Miller and oh who’s the other guy OJ Howard?
What do you think of signing Perriman with the intent of trading him for a high draft pick or another teams player?
What about trading OJ Howard?
In my fantasy world of being a general manager and coach for the Bucs I want to upgrade my left tackle and right tackle. My number one pick would be a left tackle so Donovan Smith could be moved to the right tackle. My second pick would be a running back is real stud.
January 1st, 2020 at 11:08 am
Fun fact… Jameis Winston is the first QB in NFL history to throw at least 30 TDs and 30 INTs in a season. Another fun fact, he threw 33 TDs in that season. Fun fact… Jameis Winston is the 11th QB in history to throw at least 30 interceptions in a season. Uh oh.. this is where it gets fun… in the 20 TD-30 INT club,1/4th are HoF Quarterbacks. Now if we loosen the standards a little bit, drop 2 INTs and make it 28 INTs club. We can add hall of fame qb’s Brett Farve, Joe Namath(twice), Y. A. Tittle, and Ken Stabler… and future HoF Peyton Manning.
*I didnt mention HoF George Blandas name, although hes on the list twice… but he is the founding member of the 25 TD – 40 INT club..
January 1st, 2020 at 11:31 am
Slap a fresh coat of paint on the worst house in the neighborhood and it’s still the worst house in the neighborhood.
You can’t teach a old dog new tricks.
Enough cliques; it’s time to move on from JayMiss.
Peace, out
January 1st, 2020 at 11:33 am
The problem with the franchise tag is that even if he improves people are going to say “well can he do it for more than one year” Kirk got franchised twice and let him walk. For QBs I think the franchise tag is just delaying the inevitable. Either he is your guy or he’s not. Give him a 3 yr deal at 32 in 2-3 years it will be affordable and you can trade him for pick. At that point it would be obvious BA failed we will be looking for a new coach that wants his QB
January 1st, 2020 at 11:42 am
Daily reminder if you are rooting for Winston to go somewhere and magically do well (this will not happen) you’re not a buccaneers fan you’re a Winston fan.
January 1st, 2020 at 11:44 am
Put simply, LESS Jameis=more wins. Less Jameis also means less yards, less TDs, AND less turnovers.
There is no “fixing” Jameis. For the team to win, they must build on the defensive improvements and take the ball out of Jameis’ hands and establish the run-game. That is of course if they intend to keep Jameis.
The stats bear it out. 35 or less pass attempts by Jameis increases our chances of winning by double, according to the statistics.
I’ll say it again, you are not going to change Jameis. Change the team around him. Would you rather have another 5,000 yards and 7-9 season or 4,000 yards and an 11-5 season? It’s not a trick question.
At the end of the day, individual stats and records are irrelevant if the team doesn’t win.
January 1st, 2020 at 11:53 am
Onebucdaddy Says:
“If you keep Jameis , you will keep having empty stadiums on Sunday.”
Wrong. The stadium was nearly empty long before Jameis. I suspect it will be empty long after he’s gone too.
January 1st, 2020 at 11:59 am
1987 loves him some noles . Loves him some jameis
He wins 40% of gAmes
4 out of 10
Yup . Lets get him a 4-5 year deal
100 mil garAunteed
Smart
Real smart
Jameis is not fixable . Sorry noles fans
And they will not be able to sign barret …jpp…with a big deAl …
January 1st, 2020 at 12:01 pm
Stop saying Jameis through the ball more than anyone else. Not true. Goff through the ball the same amount of times and had 16 Ints, Ryan had 10 less attempts and only 14 Ints, Brady had 11 less attempts and only 8 INts. So stop with the BS Winston through more than anyone else garbage excuse.
And Joe I gotta ask, if you dont think Winston’s decision making will improve then whats the point of keeping him? Because clearly his turnovers are costing this team games as much as anything else.
January 1st, 2020 at 12:01 pm
I think that fixing Jameis will be like fixing an alcoholic. Nothing is going to get better until Jameis realizes that he has and is a problem. How he sees himself doesn’t not include holding interceptions as a major liability.
He has to fix himself before any coach can refine his play.
It’s like leading a horse to water.
January 1st, 2020 at 12:12 pm
“Jameis Winston needs to make better decisions with the football, and in other news, the sky is blue and fire is hot”
January 1st, 2020 at 12:20 pm
It used to be that Winston’s bad decisions were throwing the ball up for grabs when he was under pressure, now his bad decisions include just straight up not seeing the defense.
The guy is damaged goods. The only thing on his mind right now is cashing in for as much as he can and sailing the rest if the way. I don’t think he’s remorseful about throwing interceptions and letting his team down, I think he’s remorseful about the cash he literally threw away the last two weeks of the year.
It’s time for new blood and a new voice on the field. I don’t know how the rest of those guys in that huddle can still have alot of confidence in that guy.
January 1st, 2020 at 12:20 pm
It used to be that Winston’s bad decisions were throwing the ball up for grabs when he was under pressure, now his bad decisions include just straight up not seeing the defense.
The guy is damaged goods. The only thing on his mind right now is cashing in for as much as he can and sailing the rest if the way. I don’t think he’s remorseful about throwing interceptions and letting his team down, I think he’s remorseful about the cash he literally threw away the last two weeks of the year.
It’s time for new blood and a new voice on the field. I don’t know how the rest of those guys in that huddle can still have alot of confidence in that guy.
January 1st, 2020 at 12:28 pm
Stat Carriers….remind me of the games Jameis’s last quarter heroics brought the team back and won the game….I just can’t think of one of any importance…his 5 year resume is a smattering of wins…gaudy Stats…and a boat load of depressing plays
January 1st, 2020 at 12:39 pm
Oh yeah, like I give a crap about anything Vick says.
January 1st, 2020 at 12:46 pm
Buc1987 Says:
January 1st, 2020 at 11:53 am
Onebucdaddy Says:
“If you keep Jameis , you will keep having empty stadiums on Sunday.”
Wrong. The stadium was nearly empty long before Jameis. I suspect it will be empty long after he’s gone too.
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So Joe, he is America’s Quarterback, Mr. Excitement, Pro-bowler Jameis Winston and moves the needle so much he has no influence at all whether people come out and watch the games? That’s laughable.
January 1st, 2020 at 12:48 pm
OneBucdaddy is right.
The stadium is about 2/3 to 3/5 full, and the Bucs don’t even sell the top five or either rows of the top decks this year. They don’t even have all concessions open, nor all turnstyles. It has been MUCH worse since 2017 (last three seasons) than it was between 2014-2016. Worst since 2010 in the blackout era. Season ticket holders dropped dramatically after the 2017 season, which is when the Uber news on Winston came out. The kneeldowns made it worse. At the end of 2018, even more left. The 2017 numbers in attendance are inflated because the Bucs still tried to give thousands of tickets away. And then, they found out they couldn’t GIVE them away. There is a lot of creativity with published attendance numbers. But you can bet Winston end of 2018 and into 2019 has been a big factor in killing this fan base. Bucs lowering some ticket prices and bringing in Arians helped stop some of the bleeding. Winston is one of the reasons fans aren’t coming back. If the Bucs sign him for yet another year, you can bet response will be flat, at best.
January 1st, 2020 at 1:55 pm
Mr Reality… keen insight!
January 1st, 2020 at 2:05 pm
I would love to see us invest in the run game, start with 0-line, and what about Derrick Henry, he will be looking at free agency. Keep Rojo and he may have a break out year in year 2 of BA/Byron system. Less crazy asss pass plays and more run plays –obviously if Jameis is throwing less he is intercepting less. what do we expect with a qb that throws for 5000+ yards-of course he has way more picks. I see good in keeping Jameis and good in getting another qb. My best advice is — draft o-line first pick(tackle) after trading down about 5 or so spots, get Jacob Eason in round 2. Franchise tag Winston, sign Barret to a contract that allows us to cut him easy in a couple years just in case he is a 1 year wonder.Free agency running back. Like to have a year for new qb to learn BA system.
January 1st, 2020 at 2:08 pm
Anonymous Says:
January 1st, 2020 at 12:12 pm
“Jameis Winston needs to make better decisions with the football, and in other news, the sky is blue and fire is hot”
Love it!Lol!
January 1st, 2020 at 2:30 pm
Like I have said all along…..you cannot teach an ignorant human to be smart. Ignorant people do not have the ability to process information, which will generally cause them to make the wrong decision. This along with an ignorant individuals propensity to get flustered when under pressure will result in poor performances. Although, there will be times when an ignorant peeps on physical abilities overcome their mental inefficiencies. This is who JW is.
January 1st, 2020 at 3:02 pm
If you guys want to see whagt an efficient QB is take a look at today’s 5pm Rose Bowl. I believe he has SIX (6) INTs this year. Famous Jamis has uhhh 30?!!
January 1st, 2020 at 3:02 pm
That would be Oregon’s QB, Herbert.
January 1st, 2020 at 3:07 pm
Winston is a knucklehead playing QB. He could have Bear Bryant as his coach and it would not make a difference. He has been enabled too long at this point and if change was coming it would have been this year. You cant win in the NFL turning the ball over like he does. Its simple.
January 1st, 2020 at 3:44 pm
Justin Herbert is a college quarterback… playing against college football players. He is also not a Heisman trophy winner. This year, Herbert has a passer rating of 158.7. 66.7% completion rate, 3,333 yards, 32 touchdowns, 5 interceptions. The Oregon ducks are 11-2, and not playing in the REAL bowl game. He has played 4 years in college.
Jameis Winston is an NFL Quarterback, but for arguments sake… we will go to his freshman year in College and compare him to the more experienced Justin Herbert. Jameis Winston is a Heisman Trophy Winner.. he has a passer rating of 184.8. 66.9% completion rate, 4,057 yards, 40 tds, 10 interceptions. The Florida State Seminoles are 14-0, BCS Champions…
January 1st, 2020 at 3:44 pm
Vick ain’t sayin nothin new here..Nothing we did not already know. Bucs need a more balanced attack to help Jameis. And Jameis needs to stop forcing the ball. Arians believes he can get jameis down to 15 or less turnovers. But when will that ever..Happen? We fans are tired of waiting.
January 1st, 2020 at 3:45 pm
joe, if Winston isn’t bringing in fans then he is part of the problem. No one wants to pay to see him throw the ball to the other team. We’ll have RJS record lows for attendance next year if we bring back Winston.
January 1st, 2020 at 4:41 pm
Couchfan,
Thank you for bringing that fact to the discussion.
The common answer to fixing the issue is to run the ball more thus reducing his total passing attempts. This makes sense only if the stats show a strong relationship between number of attempts and number of interceptions. Fans by in large have overlooked this prerequisite as they attempt to offer suggestions on how to reduce dramatically Winston’s total interceptions.
Facts are, this year winston has more picks in the first half than the second. The number of interceptions is identical in the 1st qtr and the 4th. Right away it’s clear that no relationship exist between his attempts and turnovers. The rate is not dependent on the total number of attempts per game. The overall totals are but that’s not what the problem /solutions are attempting to fix.
Point is reducing his attempts will lower his overall totals but it will not affect the percentage of interceptions. If this isn’t clear enough let me break it down by simply stating, reducing Winston’s attempts will not eliminate his turnover issues. It will merely mask it, at best.
Winston’s inceptions are not the result of volume. Therefore, any solution to the problem must begin somewhere other than reduced volume. So far, I’ve seen zero comments or suggestions that actually deal with the why and how.
90%+ offer ways to mitigate the total number of interceptions which unfortunately, continues to propagate the causes and thus frequency. Problem never goes away.
January 1st, 2020 at 4:43 pm
Question for Joe: Peyton Manning had more interceptions than Jameis in five years. Peyton Manning figured it out. Peyton Manning also had better coaching and team. Peyton Manning’s running game in his first five years produced 1,300, 1,700, 1,500, 1,500, and 1,300. All yards resulted from one running back. If Peyton Manning could figure it out, why do you doubt that Jameis can figure it out? I will comeback to see your answer, but I will not hold my breath.
January 1st, 2020 at 5:40 pm
It takes a special kind of evil to harm an innocent defenseless life. Vick’s opinion is less than worthless to me. Karmas a b!tch and this cat will be looking to reap a big reward when his time on this earth has come to an end.
January 1st, 2020 at 6:24 pm
Winston will be back! & there’s nothing that all of the HATERS, can do about it!!! Go BUCS!!!!!!
January 1st, 2020 at 6:38 pm
Mirror,
I wouldn’t presume to answer for joe.
But if it’s OK by you to take a shot .
First, I’d point out its correct that Mannings first 5 years interceptions totals may be more than Winston’s. But it’s not exactly an accurate comparison. In fact, it’s very misleading.
Second, the RB you claim produced all those yards is Edge James. Well, that too is incorrect. His 3rd and 4th years combined rushing yards were appx. 1500.
Third, you pose the question as manning figured it out, so why can’t winston!
What did manning figure out?
If you can’t identify ” it ” then how do we tell when winston does?
What’s the it? If you’re, it seems clear that you are, basing the figured it out on results , then there’s nothing other than results to consider.
Subsequently, this nullifies the premise that Manning figured something out and if winston does he will have the same success. Because it’s only source of verification is the results.
The i won’t hold my breath comment leads me to believe you feel your reasoning is somehow sound and you’ve posed an argument with no possible answer other than the one you want. That’s not the basis for a legitimate discussion. It’s a belief that your opinion is the only correct one. Ego driven but to what ends.
My point is that if you believe that your opinion is unassailable in its logic and facts, then it’s relevant you begin with the correct information. The problem is you presented your ironclad arguement with inaccurate and incorrect facts to start. How is anyone to take your side seriously when you can’t even get the basics correct. Moreover, where does this sense of superiority come from ? Surely, not from any command of the most basic facts. Definitely not from the lack of understanding what factors contributed to and ultimately lead to a turnaround in Mannings career. Clearly, you have no clue what those may be. So why the attitude?
I’m not trying to be insulting. Rather, I’m pointing out that it’s better to state your case and be open to the answers you get. There’s no reason to be rude or dismissive of an opinion you don’t yet know. Joe may have a much better answer than you or I can imagine so it’s damn presumptive on your part to presume it’s not forthcoming.
January 1st, 2020 at 8:34 pm
Several posters have talked about JW costing even more attendance woes if he is resigned.
Maya Angelou tells us why….
“I’ve learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.’
JW has made me feel such disgust…on and off the field…so frequently…that the final feeling of watching the pick six to end our season…watching JW end what could have been an excellent end and a winning season by showing up as “Bad Jameis” or as I feel “Choking Jameis” has left a feeling that I fear isn’t going away.
Hearing him talk about how he’s “ballin” after CHOKING away what easily could have been a winning season was just rubbing salt into the wound.
JW NEEDS to shut his pie hole till the contract crap is finished.
How much loathing for him in Tampa is he looking to create?
January 1st, 2020 at 9:23 pm
D1, you would be better off letting Joe answer. You noticed that Joe made no attempt to at proving an answer. That should have been your cue. 1998 was Manning’s first year. Marshal Faulk the running back, and he ran for 1,319 and caught 908 yards. In 1999, Edggerin
January 1st, 2020 at 10:03 pm
D1, you would be better off letting Joe answer. You noticed that Joe made no attempt to at proving an answer. That should have been your cue. 1998 was Manning’s first year. Marshal Faulk the running back, and he ran for 1,319 and caught 908 yards. In 1999 Edgerrin James was the running back, and he rushed for 1,553 and received 586 yards. In 2000 James rushed for 1,709 and received 594 yards. In 2001, James played in 6 games and rushed for 662 yards; Dominic Rhodes played in 10 game and rushed for 1,104 when added it totals 1765 yards. In 2002, James rushed for 989 and received 354 yards in 14 games. “It” refers to the interceptions. You are reading to many self help books; they do not help. Adult classes will help you prepare for community colleges courses in English, and if you are ambitious, I think you are, college courses would be ideal. I do not ask questions I do not have the answer to. I also do not opine bells and whistles. Next time let Joe answer.
January 1st, 2020 at 10:16 pm
It’s possible that Brady, Brees, Prescott and Rivers could all be available as free agents. The strength of the Bucs receivers and BA’s rep would make Tampa the #1 destination for any of them if they do get to free agency.
Why pass up one of those guys and an instant Super Bowl run one of them could bring just to keep hoping the Turnover Machine will change his stripes?
No risk it no biscuit.
January 1st, 2020 at 11:18 pm
Let us not forget how many missed plays Jameis missed that we’re for sure touchdown this season over throws bad decisions throwing the ball away when there are open receivers minus he does not scan the field enough to get those star receivers that are always open down field minus zero coverage he makes bad throws while not being pressured he’s a backwards compatible QB bad then good I say rid of him he’s toxic he’s what I call a false leader who secretly destroys a Team. leaders are born leaders as followers are born followers and buccaneer fans jameis is a follower trying to be something he can never be. 😂Winston old saying let’s eat a W lmao!!!! 😂 a joke lol
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:52 am
Anthony:How do you lead the league in passing yardage and miss so many wide open receivers running free downfield …No QB is perfect but your argument is so weak!! And I got a few cards to hand out to you jackass’s mad about Mike V …In china they eat dog and on planet 🌎 MELMAC they eat cold cat! …life moves on ….think on this is mike sending your kids to war? Be mad about something that should matter more than a dog !!
January 2nd, 2020 at 6:18 am
The Bucs own coaches have said 11+ INTs were not on Jameis but rreceivers, if those didn’t happen JW would have been at 5,109, 33 and 19 and in the OPOY discussion and the Bucs would have likely been an 11 win team. HE’S GOJNG TO GET PAID$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ AND THE MORONIC FANS WHO HATE HIM CAN GO FOLLOW ANOTHER TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2020 at 6:42 am
D1- Just from a volume standpoint, the more any QB throws the more chance of turnovers. When I look at Jameis games where he is above 35 attempts,our winning percentage is ~30-40%. Conversely, our winning percentage doubles when under that mark.
I will freely admit that you may have better data to back up your point regarding attempt vs. turnover rate regarding Jameis. In which case the entire argument is moot. Because, if we can’t mitigate turnovers, by and large we will lose more games than we win.
And the turnover “argument”, if you will, is grounded in statistical FACT. It is irrefutable. That’s for the “Flat Earth” folks who still don’t subscribe to turnovers being in direct correlation with losing!
January 2nd, 2020 at 7:12 am
@Julie July: if my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle.
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:39 am
Improving on positives… That’s not his problem. Cutting back on negatives, turnovers is his issue, he actually seemed to do better with the fumbling this season, and now it’s INTs, and I also so a too many times where he had bad dropbacks, ie, he’s dropping too deep, and he is causing sacks not the o-line.
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:55 pm
Bucsfanman Says:
And the turnover “argument”, if you will, is grounded in statistical FACT. It is irrefutable. That’s for the “Flat Earth” folks who still don’t subscribe to turnovers being in direct correlation with losing!
By your logic anyone that throws 15 or less interceptions will make the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2020 at 4:25 pm
TEAM turnovers there MirrorMirrow. No need to look it up because everyone already knows that the teams with the worst turnover margin are sitting on their couch as the playoffs begin. That’s a fact!
January 2nd, 2020 at 7:50 pm
Best QB in Franchise History! Go Bucs!!!! Keep Winston!!!
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:26 pm
You buffoons all upset about Vicks culpability in that dog house hassle know he didn’t take part in its operation right??? He put up the money his brother ran it. You bunch of spca sissies need to get over yourselves! There’s trailer parks out there that have dog fighting all over the U.S. as well. Dog fighting had been around much longer than Vick taking part in it and many white men have taken part in many dog fights but they put a black face on it and now you’re in a roar. Spare you fake out rage. Michael Vick has every right in the world to speak about Jameis because he came out as a rookie he lit up the NFL not just running but he threw few interceptions. He never took enough time to read defenses the way he should have until later. He is much more qualified to critique him than anyone if you clowns who’ve never laced up a pair of cleats to throw in the NFL. You folks judge these people so harshly like you’ve never made mistakes in your life. You should go root for the Patriots