“He’s Not Going To Run The Ball 35 Times A Game”
January 9th, 2020
Talking Bucco Bruce, Jameis.
Very interesting insight into the mindset of Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians.
Former Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback and Arians signal-caller Carson Palmer was on a media carwash yesterday for some reason. And in doing so, he popped in on “The Rich Eisen Show.”
There, Eisen asked him to solve the “riddle” of Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Palmer had very interesting nuggets. First, he said Arians believes in today’s NFL, not hoping to score on 15-plus-play drives where the run is mixed in with the pass evenly because it is too hard to score on NFL defenses that are so good.
“But that’s the mentality that Bruce is going to play with,” Palmer said. “He’s not going to run the ball 35 times a game.”
Instead, Palmer noted Arians wants to score on four- or six-play drives, and to do so you must throw the ball and throw the ball deep. (And yes, Jameis was one of the NFL’s best deep-ball passers this past year.)
Carson also made two points, one of which was right and the other half-right.
Palmer said if any quarterback throws as much as Jameis there will be picks. Also, Palmer said the Bucs defense was so rotten Jameis had to throw the ball and score a lot of points or the Bucs were screwed.
The latter point by Palmer is half-right. The first half of the season the pass defense was just as s(p)itty as the previous five seasons under the notorious duo known as “The Smiths.” But right about the time the Bucs washed their hands of Vernon Hargreaves and tossed him overboard, the pass defense greatly improved.
Now if Palmer would have said the Bucs had to throw because they had three dogs in the backfield and couldn’t run, well, that would be accurate.
You can see and hear Palmer’s full interview with Eisen below.
January 9th, 2020 at 12:07 am
Palmer 187 ints? What do u know
Palmer knows and knows where its headed and it’s best for BA to have a qb like JW.
I cant see Brady, Brees, Bridgewater riding out this offense because of big play aggressive offense and it’s fun seeing 1 player has full control of both teams
January 9th, 2020 at 12:12 am
Even more of a reason to bring in an accurate qb to run his offense..
Helping the opponent score isn’t winning football..
There is a reason only 38% of 3500+ people want him back and the rest aren’t t sure while the majority say let him walk…
Picks in the 1st drive, picks to end games on comeback drives and even in overtime, wild overthrows some under throws, the guy just isn’t a winner…
January 9th, 2020 at 12:13 am
Jameis has seen defense show up (the 5 game win streak in 2016) and then evaporate. He has been shown nothing to instill deep rooted confidence in the defense. Good defense during his tenure has been briefly episodic. He believed in it during that span and took care of the ball very well. But then losing 25 of the next 35 because the defense was giving up 30 burgers every game taught him not to trust it, rather to do down swinging at what he has some control over.
Remember Seattle game? Bucs didn’t even touch the ball in OT. So in the Atlanta game, JW wanted to win it right there and pressed, forced, got picked, and there you have it. Get the man convinced that he has a real defense and stop giving the crack addict crack to play with, ie, play calling that emphasizes more RPO, screens, and max protect deep balls. This may not fit with BA’s philosophy but Jameis had help throwing 30 picks, and that help was standing on the sidelines (looking at Arians and Leftwich).
January 9th, 2020 at 12:17 am
PS – people like Tye are why Warren Sapp said that Buccaneer fans are the dumbest on the planet. You need more than 50% for a majority genius.
January 9th, 2020 at 12:19 am
And the DISRESPECT of a guy who has passing yards in the NFL history at age 26
A 5000 yard passer
A Bucs passing leader
But you know I mean it’s the interceptions. Gtfoh. We dont want to end up with Tua or Jordon Love throwing 45 times
Pat’s are taking JW if we dont
January 9th, 2020 at 12:21 am
Tye
38 percent of like 3000 ppl. There is probably more fans than that. I hope
January 9th, 2020 at 12:23 am
PPS – and what would Carson Palmer know about playing QB for BA anyway. I’m sure Tye knows more than one of Arians’ favorite QBs, who incidentally had the luxury of a stout defense his first year in the offense, when he threw 22 picks and they still got to 10-6.
Two FGs and the Bucs are 9-7. Fortunately, we can be confident that BA knows how to play the leverage game – and why not when it behooves you to keep as many of the Star FAs on defense in place as can be afforded.
January 9th, 2020 at 12:34 am
So Palmer is right but only half the time according to the expert. So Joe, our expert says it was because of the dogs in the backfield that Jameis had to throw all those INT’s and doesn’t agree to Carson’s explanation, that to a fault, Arians treats the run game as an afterthought, and it puts pressure on the passing game.
It’s the scheme dummy. Yes, I believe the type of offense was a main reason Jameis got exposed throwing 40+ passes a game but c’mon some of those INT’s were because of him, and his penchant for staring down his receivers or just making dumb decisions. Do we really think after this season in this type offense that somehow Jameis will be different? ..smfh
January 9th, 2020 at 12:42 am
Don’t need to be an expert to show where Palmer was half-wrong. If you watched the games, did the Bucs defense the last two months of the season look like a problem to you???
January 9th, 2020 at 1:08 am
No, but Jameis looked the same all season, erratic accuracy and questionable decisions. If not for the heroics of a handful of above average WR’s I dare contend he would’ve looked a little more pedestrian in yards and I would argue probably had even more turnovers.
January 9th, 2020 at 1:13 am
His best game statistically with fantastic accuracy and game management was his game against Seattle. If Jameis could play like that as a norm I could easily see myself back in his corner. But that’s one game out of every six. It’s not good enough to be paid as a franchise QB.
January 9th, 2020 at 1:20 am
…and everyone please stop with the “well this is his first year in BA’s offense”
He was in Koetter’s offense for two seasons which is a throw the ball deep offense
January 9th, 2020 at 1:37 am
What the fans see and hear in Pressers, is wildly different behind the curtains, per Carson interview. BA blasted JW for the INT’S that were inexcusable.
BA knows JW is the QB for his complex down-field offense. BA will tame JW next year, if Bucs and JW can work out a deal…..which will not be a Franchise tag, per Winston agent.
Popcorn time….
January 9th, 2020 at 1:39 am
Good thing Lavonte 1 of 1 is here to put things in perspective.
What would Carson Palmer know about playing QB? Or Arians scheme? Or how you get better in it with time? He must be making excuses for Jameis. That must be it.
January 9th, 2020 at 2:09 am
Or how you get better in it with time?
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How much time?
Jameis has been in the same type offense for three seasons and he hasn’t gotten better. If he had played a full season last year I submit he would’ve been close to 5000 yards in Koetter’s offense with undoubtedly more turnovers. Even Matt Ryan had 4466 passing yards this season in Koetter’s offense with only Jones as a true #1 WR. He had 26 TDs only 14 INT’s
Jameis had 3 #1’s last season – DJax, Godwin, and Evans.
January 9th, 2020 at 2:33 am
The Vikings prove that you can win with a balanced attack and sometimes a run-heavy attack. You just need a true RB1 like Dalvin Cook and a stellar OL.
You can’t score with too much balance in today’s NFL is a cop out.
January 9th, 2020 at 2:57 am
Fascinating logic pattern by Carson Palmer, that apparently leads some to believe that ‘It’s all the Bucs’ defense’s fault. Our offense did exactly what BA expected them to do’. And oh ya, we should expect MORE giveaways in a ‘Deep Strike’ attack like that. Webster has a word for that: horsepuckey.
Bucs & Saints had EXACTLY the same number of Points Scored in 2019 … 458 points. Saints won the division with a 13-3 record (with the #3 offense AND the #13 defense) while the Bucs meandered to a 7-9 record (with the #3 offense AND the #29 defense). Even though BOTH offenses enjoyed the same #3 ranking, they achieved that ranking very differently.
Saints’ offense accumulated 5,982 total yards (373.9 YPG) on 1,011 plays (63.2 Plays/Game), with an average Yards/Play of 5.9 YPP.
o They committed a TOTAL of 8 Giveaways but the Saints’ defense had 23 Takeaways for a TEAM Turnover Differential of PLUS 15.
o Saints’ QBs passed 581 times & completed 418 passes (71.9%) for 4,244 Net Yards Passing with only 6 INTs. Their Net Yards/Pass Attempt was 7.0 and they made 231 first downs passing. Oh and they scored 36 TDs passing & absorbed 25 sacks.
o Saints rushed 405 times for 1,738 yards (4.3 Yards/Attempt) and made 97 first downs rushing. Oh and they scored 12 TDs rushing.
Bucs’ offense accumulated 6,366 total yards (397.9 YPG) on 1,086 plays (67.9 Plays/Game, with an average Yards/Play of 5.9 YPP.
o They committed a TOTAL of 41 Giveaways but the Bucs’ defense had 28 Takeaways for a TEAM Turnover Differential of MINUS 13.
o Bucs’ QBs passed 630 times (39.4 Passes/Game) & completed 382 passes (60.6%) for 4,845 Net Yards Passing with 30 INTs. Their Net Yards/Pass Attempt was 7.2 and they made 244 first downs passing. Oh and they scored 33 TDs passing & absorbed 47 sacks.
o Bucs rushed 409 times (25.6 Rushes/Game) for 1,521 yards (3.7 Yards/Attempt) and made 81 first downs rushing. Oh and they scored 15 TDs rushing.
Interesting also that BOTH teams scored exactly the same number of points (458) in 16 games AND that BOTH offenses scored the same total of 48 TDs. And our number of passing TDs (33 vs 36) & rushing TDs (15 vs 12) really weren’t all that much different. Actually the Saints scored MORE passing TDs on fewer passing plays & fewer passing yards. Plus, the 2 attack schemes were VERY different, and yet the they BOTH had EXACTLY the same average Yards per play at 5.9 YPP. Neither had a Top-10 running attack, yet BOTH offenses achieved the same results … but the Bucs took MORE plays (not fewer) to accomplish that. Hmmm.
Those stats don’t seem to support Palmer’s contention that BA’s ‘Bombs Away’ attack is meant to be quick strike. One would expect that such an attack would take FEWER plays for each Point Scored. And yet the REVERSE was true in 2019. Bucs averaged MORE plays for each point they scored than did the Saints (2.37 Plays/Point Scored for the Bucs versus 2.21 Plays/Point Scored for the Saints).
But why? I’d contend it’s because of the HUGE difference in TURNOVERS (8 VS 41). More specifically, the HUGE difference in TURNOVER DIFFERENTIAL (PLUS 15 VS MINUS 13). Notice that our Bucs’ defense actually had MORE takeaways (28) than the Saints’ defense (23). And our defense scored off of SIX of those takeaways versus THREE scores for the Saints’ defense.
Lots of other interesting comparisons between the 2 offenses, but the bottom line should be obvious: TURNOVERS ARE DEADLY.
And oh BTW Joe, when one QB passes for 71.9% on the season with 4,244 net passing yards & 36 TDs against 8 INTs while another passes for 60.6% on the season with 4,845 net passing yards & 33 TDs against 30 INTs, guess what … THE FIRST QB IS BETTER. Don’t need any excuses for THAT performance.
January 9th, 2020 at 3:03 am
Humbug!
So what if:
TONY DUNGY
BRETT FAVRE
DEION SANDERS
CARSON PALMER
Are all praising Jameis and saying he needs to be the man in Tampa.
WE BUCS FANS KNOW BETTER! WE WANT BRIDGEWATER!
WE WANT TO SEE OUR OFFENSE ONLY SCORE 13 POINTS PER GAME, NOT 30!
WE WANT TO SEE BARBER GET 30 CARRIES A GAME AND MIKE EVANS AND CHRIS GODWIN ONLY HAVE 2-3 PASSES PER GAME THROWN TO THEM, AND ONLY ONE THAT TRAVELS MORE THAN 15 YARDS IN THE AIR!
January 9th, 2020 at 3:33 am
Try this on for size.
Did you know the top FIVE QB’s that led the NFL in passing yards this season
were all from losing teams ..all had 7 wins or less.
So much for all those yards, huh?
January 9th, 2020 at 3:56 am
Bad idea hiring Arians with that archaic mindset
Watch a lot of the playoff teams no other successful team is running a similar system
January 9th, 2020 at 3:56 am
JWDS…NAILED IT…
and MICHAEL CLAYTON
MIKE and Godwin will not get the production…
January 9th, 2020 at 5:43 am
Fitzmagic won games with this supporting cast. Jameis isn’t it. Too many damn turnovers: losing, no playoffs.
I’ll take 75% of the production from the QB position, if it comes with 25% of the turnovers.
Too much bad to let the good shine. We are still losers and on the outside looking in at the playoffs.
January 9th, 2020 at 5:45 am
Josh McCown and Mike Glennon there 12 TDs to Mike Evans his rookie year.
Fitzpatrick has back to back 400 yard games, and was 2-0 last year!
Godwin and Evans are 1-2 with receiving TDs this year. Do you know who Jameis’ third leading touchdown receiver is? The Defense, with 7!
January 9th, 2020 at 6:24 am
Stevenk go back to hockey. Football is definitely not your strong suit
January 9th, 2020 at 6:25 am
Some of these arguments crack me up!
Fellas, guess what? The teams with the top rushing attacks are in the playoffs. Only 3 of the top 10 rushing teams did not make the playoffs.
So boo-freakin-hoo if Jameis doesn’t throw for 5,000 yards and Evans and Godwin don’t both get a 1,000 yards. If this team does not develop a rushing attack, we will NOT make the playoffs. PERIOD, end of story.
You can yammer “passing league” till the cows come home but it’s all for naught without a rushing attack.
For fun, guess how many of the top PASSING teams made the playoffs? If you guessed THREE, that’s right, 3 of the top 10 passing teams made the playoffs!
So, by all means, please don’t allow facts to derail your interesting yarns about 3 yards and a cloud of dust, and visions of the Wishbone offense! They are quite entertaining!
January 9th, 2020 at 6:26 am
Palmer … “Palmer said if any quarterback throws as much as Jameis there will be picks.”
Only 5 QBs passed over 600 times this season: Winston (30 INTs), Goff (16 INTs), Ryan (14 INTs), Brady (8 INTs) & Wentz (7 INTs). These Carson, there will be picks for any QB who passes this much, but Jameis is a league all by himself.
Palmer … :”Arians wants to score on four- or six-play drives. To do so, you have to throw the ball and throw the ball deep.”
There’s so much wrong with that statement, I won’t even go there. In any event, Jameis can’t use that as an excuse for his INTs. I wrote this about a week ago and I’ll stand by it …
“There doesn’t seem to be any common thread amongst Jameis’ INTs that I can see. Of the 30 INTs that he threw this year, 7 were Pick-6s, 6 others resulted in our defense surrendering TDs, 4 resulted in FGs, and our defense held on the other 13 INTs. Ironically 20 INTs came on short throws, as opposed to 10 on deep throws (of which 6 were very late in the half or the game). It looks like 21 of the 30 happened on the Tampa Bay side of the field, which obviously ends up being a real bummer for the defense. ”
Jameis throws a LOT more INTs on short passes than he does on deep ones. I might buy ‘eyesight issues’ as a REASON for his INTs. All these others are just EXCUSES.
January 9th, 2020 at 6:27 am
Bucs fans are the least knowledgeable. Who else runs out a 26 year old QB like Jameis. He will be in New English next year, winning and it will be crickets from all these brainiacs
January 9th, 2020 at 6:36 am
Gay was a rookie- he may or may not work out
Secondary was rookies and 2nd year players and yes, cutting Hargreaves was a good move.
Jameis was in his 5th year- alot of bonehead plays for a player with that much experience, Talented- yes, Winner?- can you trust him? With game on the line, he loses alot more than he wins. Fixable? Maybe. But do you want to weaken the roster to pay him? Is he worth it?
January 9th, 2020 at 6:43 am
The problem with 4-6 play drives is they don’t eat up in enough clock time and the opponents have a lot of time to score themselves. once the offense stalls
they struggle to regain momentum. when you score 23 TD’s in the first half of games and only 10 in the second half of games you are opening the door for a second half comeback.
January 9th, 2020 at 6:59 am
Joe-
“Don’t need to be an expert to show where Palmer was half-wrong. If you watched the games, did the Bucs defense the last two months of the season look like a problem to you???”
That’s why they went 5-3 during that run and should’ve been 6-2 had Gay gone 1-3 against the Falcons. And that includes a QB with a broken thumb, WR injuries and battling back from a stretch where the team was on the road 5 straight weeks.
January 9th, 2020 at 7:25 am
Jameis 3 best games this season were all losses. So that should be enough to explain this team and the defense. Giants, Seahawks and saints…. and we almost lost the rams too….
January 9th, 2020 at 7:25 am
He’s not going to win a super bowl as a head coach either. Gotta run the ball guy.
January 9th, 2020 at 7:46 am
I don’t have the stats in front of me, but seems to me that long scoring drives with short to intermediate passes and a decent run game has worked for the Patriots for the last 15 or so years. It’s called complimentary football. With 4-6 play scoring drives, the defense is gassed whether you score or turn it over.
January 9th, 2020 at 8:22 am
@SwampBuc, I am your newest fan! lol Well said
January 9th, 2020 at 8:25 am
the amount of excuses are amazing for JW…..lol….
GO BUCS!!!!
January 9th, 2020 at 8:34 am
Palmer failed to mention that Winston’s large passing numbers were boosted because of early turnovers in the majority of the games. So of course his had to start checking the ball all over the place. There is 5 yrs worth of game tape on it.
January 9th, 2020 at 10:07 am
Here’s the problem. Bruce Arians is not calling plays in Tampa. He did in Phoenix, but not here.
We have Byron Leftwich running the ball on every single first down, followed by a slant and then a screen towards the sidelines. Rinse and repeat through the whole game.
There needs to be a lot more variance in the play calling. We also need a QB with the kind of release Palmer had, instead of close to three seconds for a slant pattern. It is no wonder the WRs aren’t where he thought they would be, they had already gone by that point in the route.
January 9th, 2020 at 2:56 pm
Tannehill….book it!
January 9th, 2020 at 3:27 pm
Lavonte 0 for 0 thinks Koetter’s offense is the same as Arians’.
Can you spell maroon?