Gamblers Like Rivers To Bucs
January 21st, 2020
Bet on QB landing spot.
Man, Joe cannot believe all the heavy panting over a guy that just wanted legal relief from getting stripped naked by taxes.
Current Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers moves to the Florida Panhandle to be near his family in Alabama and to avoid the choking state taxes in California for no state income tax in Florida, and everyone and their brother thinks the guy is going to play for a team that is over a six-hour drive away.
But that is what is happening in the current lull between Championship Sunday and the Super Bowl. So many folks have a hunch Rivers may play for the Bucs in 2020; the wiseguys in the desert have started taking action on where Rivers will be this fall.
And per Sportsline.com, the Vegas crowd gives the Bucs the best bet to have Rivers suit up.
Joe has to wonder why Tennessee isn’t on the list? Nashville is about the same distance from Rivers’ new home to Tampa and they don’t have a quarterback (yet) for 2020.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:08 pm
much better than the other route > WinSTUNNED
January 21st, 2020 at 2:10 pm
LOL! There’s Joe praying this isn’t so. I have to admit I’ve loving watching all the Jameis apologists panic. Breath in. Breath out. It’s going to be OK. I won’t die if Winston comes back. I’ll just deal with no January football again for my Bucs.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:10 pm
Oh yea so much better 23tds and 20ints dam thats impressive!
January 21st, 2020 at 2:10 pm
Because Tanihill is a way better qb than Winston!! That’s why?! What are you smoking in there? And Winston wants 35 million a year and the Buccaneers are not paying his dumb @ss that kind of money…
January 21st, 2020 at 2:11 pm
Oh yea so much better! 23tds and 20ints that’s impressive!
January 21st, 2020 at 2:12 pm
Ok, I don’t understand betting/gambling…I mean I get what it is but I don’t do it so I don’t follow how it works. But could someone explain how the graphic above implies the Buc’s are the most likely place for Rivers? I mean -150 to me seems to indicate we are much less likely than the other listed teams.
Apparently….negative numbers are good?
January 21st, 2020 at 2:15 pm
The thought of anyone thinking Rivers coming here is a good idea is so stupid that I can’t take it anymore
January 21st, 2020 at 2:16 pm
As the Joes know, this world is full of idiots and morons that see a tree and think it’s sasquatch.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:17 pm
Lol, but I hope they are right.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:19 pm
Brady to the Bucs makes a lot more sense as our bridge QB! We have weapons and ready to make a big push NOW!
January 21st, 2020 at 2:19 pm
Just because Rivers set-up shop in Destin doesn’t mean he can’t afford lodging here near Tampa. He’s a wealthy dude and I think he could afford it. I don’t think Licht will move on from Jameis, but Joe’s argument about Rivers not coming here because he lives in Destin is weak.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:22 pm
Apparently….negative numbers are good?
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Apparently…so are interceptions.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:27 pm
the only way Rivers makes any sense at all is as a 1 year bridge to an early round draft pick on a quarterback the Bucs are in love with.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:32 pm
If Jameis prices himself out of here, I’ll take the sign and draft approach. Rivers would be my first choice if we go the Vet route .
I still think Jameis is coming back though.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:32 pm
who gives a flippin flying poop!!!!!
January 21st, 2020 at 2:34 pm
Please sell %51 of the team G’Boyz…everybody wins !
January 21st, 2020 at 2:35 pm
Yes because there has been no word everyone is still guessing. And those with low self-esteem are still insulting other people.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:37 pm
So we’re going to pick up a 38 year old QB who has guided his team to records of 4-12, 5-11, and 5-11 in 3 of the last 5 years (with a couple of good years in there)?
I’ll still be a Bucs fan if we sign Rivers. If I was a fan through the Hugh Culverhouse years you know I’m a diehard Bucs fan.
I really don’t want us to take a QB in the 1st Round of this year’s draft. I want us to add more speed and talent to the defense.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:39 pm
If Winston does not come back, it will be because he is asking for too much money. Honestly, if I am team Glazer, I don’t gamble more the 22mil per year on Winston. Dude might have put up a lot of yards and td’s, but the only stat that really matters is the W column. And I sorry to tell you that Winston is a big loser in that category.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:42 pm
Troy Says:
January 21st, 2020 at 2:10 pm
LOL! There’s Joe praying this isn’t so. I have to admit I’ve loving watching all the Jameis apologists panic. Breath in. Breath out. It’s going to be OK. I won’t die if Winston comes back.
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BINGO!!!!!!!!!……LOL…..
it hilarious!!!!!!!….
fsu joe is at the skyway bridge now typing, on the phone, has candles burning….lol….
GO BUCS!!!!!!
January 21st, 2020 at 2:46 pm
My sources told me that Rivers will be hired as an additional coach for Jameis.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:47 pm
Rivers 5 wins
Winston 7 wins
Chargers scored 337 pts
Bucs scored 458 pts
Chargers D 345 pts against
Bucs D 449 pts against. Even if you account for 49 pts where Winston threw a pick 6 that’s 400 pts against.
So Rivers had a better D, better run game and lost more and a lot of fans want a worse QB as a bridge to whomever?
Rivers to Tampa would be a so typical Buc move. Like drafting Bo Jackson #1 overall. Letting Doug Williams walk.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:50 pm
“Joe has to wonder why Tennessee isn’t on the list?”
Maybe because Ryan Tannehill’s numbers in his 11 regular season starts extrapolate to ~4k passing yards, 32 passing TD, 5 rushing TD, and 9 INT and 1-2 fumbles and he obviously was a fit for their offense and was 1 game away from the super bowl?
vs a 35 turnover QB who has been known for turnovers on a 7-9 team
I don’t think Rivers is even an upgrade over Winston but just sayin.
Winston or Eason for me.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:51 pm
Because PR17 would be the novacaine to the 5 year abscess tooth which is Winston!
January 21st, 2020 at 2:52 pm
Just resign Winston.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:56 pm
NFL average turnovers given up = 21 vs 41 for the Bucs
Avg points off a turnover is about 4.
Basically we spotted the other team a 5 point advantage every game due to turnovers alone (80 total points over 16 games).
Most NFL spreads are less than 5 points.
The defense would have ranked ~17th in points given up if our offense just turned it over at the NFL average rate vs double.
Turnovers absolutely cost us the 2019 season, along with the defense in a few games early during a learning curve.
January 21st, 2020 at 2:56 pm
I would simply sh|t myself if we bring Rivers in as the bridge QB and he gets us to the Super Bowl.
A lot of you TURKEY’S will change your names. LOL
January 21st, 2020 at 2:56 pm
While I am a proponent of the Bucs moving on from Winston in favor of a QB that takes care of the football, I must point out there is a reason why San Diego fans used to call Phillip Rivers “Phillip Givers.”
The freak out is a bit much. Rivers moving to Florida makes sense for him and his 10 dependents for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with football.
January 21st, 2020 at 3:02 pm
Please no, he’s moving to the panhandle to be closer to his family in Alabama. Too old and slow to do anything positive for the Bucs without a competent running game.
January 21st, 2020 at 3:04 pm
Some other poster brought it up but the biggest concerns with me were how WInston ended the year..
The only excuse is missing Evans/Godwin but he had enough to work with…
The last game he had a run game / defense and had 2 turnovers with the offense only scoring 2 TDs. Even if we make our kicks the offense would have still only accounted for 20 points while giving up a pick 6.
That’s in week 17 of the new system.
If we keep him we have to pray to god that him missing Evans/Godwin really was that dramatic to destroy our passing offense basically. Which is kind of believable considering Howard/Brate were worthless in this system all year and we were down to Perriman
January 21st, 2020 at 3:06 pm
@Matthew,
The odds of -150 means you place $150 down to win $100. If Your bet wins you get $250 total.
The odds of +800 means you place $100 down to win $800. If your bet wins you get $900 total.
The + is the longer shot hence the higher pay out.
January 21st, 2020 at 3:12 pm
@Dapostman
Thanks for the explanation. Makes more sense now.
January 21st, 2020 at 3:17 pm
Someone said it’s because Tannehill is better than Jameis.
WHY GOD?!?! WHY WAS I BORN INTO THE DUMBEST FAN BASE IN SPORTS?!?!
If I had opted to not become so passionate about this team and sport, I would probably agree with you clowns. But the more you learn, the more you realize how little this fan base knows.
WHY IS IT THAT A FAN BASE WHO HAS NOT HAD A FRANCHISE QB IN 40 YEARS AND HAS ENDURED AVERAGE TO TERRIBLE QB PLAY UNTIL JAMEIS GOT HERE, IS ALL OF THE SUDDEN PICKY ABOUT WHO WE HAVE AT QB?!?!?!?
Our offense has sucked since before jameis and has been top 10 3 times with him. If the defense can stop pts from being scored regardless of why they’re on the field, Jameis will score pts. Fix the defense and fix jameis.
Just look, 5-3 down the stretch with average defensive play.
January 21st, 2020 at 3:25 pm
So what number is Justin Watson switching to?
January 21st, 2020 at 3:26 pm
LC
so if: missing Evans/Godwin really was that dramatic to destroy our passing offense, what is JWs value compared to CGs value to the team?….
sounds like you just made the case for a few folks that think ME13 has made JW look better than he really is just like what he did for manziel….lol…
ME13 did have 1k yards and 12TDs with glennon….
one could agrue CG12 got trace mcsorley drafted….
but i share the same concerns….the last game was right on a silver platter for him to end the discussion about everything….and he blew it….
still think the best move for the bucs would be to offer him a 4year 100mil contract with incentives…2years 50mil guaranteed….but we’ll see what happens….
GO BUCS!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!!
January 21st, 2020 at 3:31 pm
“average defensive play.”
The defense was playing at an elite level down the stretch.
For 2019 if you factor out the 20 additional turnovers we had compared to the NFL average (Key word – just the AVERAGE nfl turnovers), our defense would have ranked 17th in points given up.
In the final 8 games Jameis Winston had 18 of his 30 interceptions and in general more turnovers.
18/30 * 80 points off turnovers = 48 additional points or 6 points per game Winston spotted the other team compared to just the NFL average.
If we just had an average turnover machine vs league leading, then our defense would have ranked top 5 in the league at 18.6 PPG the last 8 weeks of the season.
All of the above = why turnovers matter so much
January 21st, 2020 at 3:40 pm
Buccernutter … “WHY GOD?!?! WHY WAS I BORN INTO THE DUMBEST FAN BASE IN SPORTS?!?!”
Oh wow Buccernutter, you win the prize hands down. That was a winner, only to be outdone by your follow-on …
WHY IS IT THAT A FAN BASE WHO HAS NOT HAD A FRANCHISE QB IN 40 YEARS AND HAS ENDURED AVERAGE TO TERRIBLE QB PLAY UNTIL JAMEIS GOT HERE, IS ALL OF THE SUDDEN PICKY ABOUT WHO WE HAVE AT QB?!?!?!?
‘Suddenly picky’ about who we have at QB? Really Buccernutter? If you don’t know the answer to your own second question, you’re a part of your own first question majority.
January 21st, 2020 at 3:41 pm
@Buccernutter
If only it were that easy. Jameis actually played worse in the second half of the season despite the defense being better. We can’t just fix the defense and assume it will fix Jameis.
In the last 8 games of the season he had 18 INT’s, was only near/over 100 QBR in 3 of those games. In the other 5 he was WAY BELOW 100.
You cannot sit there and say that the defense is responsible for Jameis and actually believe that. How many times have the defense been on the field for a long drive, they get worn out, but they prevented the other team from getting a TD/points at all, only to have Jameis throw a pick less than a minute gametime later? It’s happened far more than you apparently think.
The more time that our defense has to spend on the field, the more gassed they get, which leads to more opportunity for the opposing offense to take advantage. Nonetheless it increases chances for mistakes and injuries.
Perhaps you should think about insulting people before you talk out your rear.
January 21st, 2020 at 3:41 pm
Thank you Lord C. Right on target.
January 21st, 2020 at 3:43 pm
Joe, where ever Rivers signs he won’t be driving to work from Destin FL. Do you think if the Glazers wanted him bad enough they could afford to fly him home using a private helicopter? They’re worth billions, they probably own one for business use.
January 21st, 2020 at 3:49 pm
DR
Come on man, you’re much smarter than that. Your comprehension this time is absolute trash. You act like we can sway good free agents to come here or a qb at #14 is going to be the answer. LMAO. Don’t tell me you think you’re smarter than bruce, steve young, favre, sapp, moss, palmer, and bradshaw who have advocated for jameis.
Also, if you’re gonna go try to call me out, then say something of merit instead of something like “Oh wow Buccernutter, you win the prize hands down. That was a winner, only to be outdone by your follow-on”
…cuz that s*** is just corny.
I seriously can’t believe how you guys constantly prove my pt by suggesting someone can’t criticize their fan base by pigeonholing themselves. It’s like saying your sister is dumb. Well we don’t share the same brains sooo….. Not all parts equal the whole, but maybe you’re not as smart as I thought. SMH
January 21st, 2020 at 3:53 pm
Buccernutter
No disrespect because I value your opinion but I think
Jameis Winston is Josh Freeman 2.0
Go compare their stats for their first four seasons. They are eerily similar. Jameis was gifted this fifth season to show his wares and he still lead the NFL in his 5th season in turnovers. Ok, he did throw for a lot of yards but it’s because of the scheme as to why. Imagine if Arians ran a conventional pro offense, Jameis wouldn’t have reached the 5000 yard plateau but still probably lead the league in turnovers. Don’t forget most his INT’s were from 30 yards in variety. …and also he had the worst pass completion percentage out of 98% of all the starting QB’s at 61%. Out of the top 5 leading QB’s in passing yards this season all of them played in a long ball Don Coryell type offense and besides Jameis at 61%, the other four were above 65% with 2 of the four near almost 70%.
That 4%+ makes a huge difference in completions and is a good measure for accuracy.
Phillip Rivers 2019 – 591 pass attempts 390 completions for 66% 25 TO’s
to essentially a bunch of no-name WR’s
Jameis Winston 2019 – 626 pass attempts 380 completions for 60.7% 35 TO’s
to arguably the NFL’s best tandem WR’s
January 21st, 2020 at 3:58 pm
Matthew
We were 5-3 dude. That’s all I really have to say but I will divulge. We just gonna act like the run game didn’t regress too and we didn’t lose evans and godwin?
I mean do people really think if a defense slows down the scoring from the opposition that it wont assist the qb in having to pass less?
THIS DEFENSE WAS #1 IN POINTS ALLOWED AND PASSING YARDS MOST THE SEASON!!! If you don’t think that will lead to more turnovers in a one dimensional passing offense, then you have a lot to learn bro. Just cuz jameis put them on the field does not give them an excuse to let the opposition drive right down the field LMAO
Do you actually think that the defense was good or average most the season but jameis’s interceptions made them get gassed so they sucked and gave up all those pts and yards?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHA
Also, what is with people thinking that because our fan base is dumb (which it is) that I’m including you? You must share the majority of ignorant opinions that this fan base has. Trust me, I am not in the minority that thinks this way from not just our smart fans, but league wide.
Perhaps you should comprehend what is being said or understand the game a little more before you comment.
Jameis and the defense is a chicken and the egg theory apparently. I’m sorry but jameis is putting up pts and even if he gives the defense more play time, letting the score nearly every drive is not directly correlated. That’s just idiotic, like this fan base.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:03 pm
Funny that JW3 had his WORST 8 game stretch Turnovers wise while our D was playing Lights out and we found a run game somewhat.
Just silly.
Still take him over Rivers though
January 21st, 2020 at 4:14 pm
Jean
Solid rebuttal without getting in your feelings or trying to insult me with corny jokes. I have to agree with a lot of what you said. But didnt we all love Freeman til the tail end of his careeer?
I mean a lot of people spend a ton of time passionate about their opinions of jameis and why he will fail or why he sucks today. But then again you have arians, favre, bradshaw, young, sapp, palmer all state we should keep him and he will reduce ints. So considering these well renowned football experts say otherwise, why can’t people meet in the middle more? I mean EVERYONE is passionate about their opinions. I get it cuz I’m a die hard, but most are very easy to embarrass like I feel I may do to DR.
Jameis’s ints weren’t astronomical before this season. It’s important to realize it was year one in a new scheme known for ints in which palmer and manning struggled and then came around. They however did not put up 5k yards. Not to mention they had a supporting cast with one of the best defenses in the league and a run game. Jameis had one of the worst since he’s been around not to mention coaching (dirk, lovie) and no special teams.
PR did an awesome column of the breakdown of jameis’s ints. It said about half were his fault and it was very spot on. Take it up with them if you disagree but it’s intelligent info that needs to be considered. That was evaluating jameis again, in year one under bruce known for ints with no run game and a terrible passing defense. I know he needs to work on his completion percentage and turnovers but I just think he will. I have a lot of people that agree with me yet there’s so many in our own fan base that are passionate that he won’t but do not back it up. There are legit reasons why he will and he won’t but to suggest he definitely wont when history has been proven otherwise twice by manning and palmer, it gets ridiclous
Not to mention jameis will be a buc next season and people far smarter about fooball than us will make that decision. Just sit and watch if you guys dont believe me. But then we’ll see all kinds of posts about how dumb bruce’s decision was and frankly, I’m sick of seeing it. He knows what he’s doing and I’m gonna back him over DR from JBF.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:14 pm
2015 JW- 15picks…..2015 INT leader blake bortles-18picks
2016 JW- 18picks…..2016 INT leader phillip rivers- 21picks
2017 JW- 11picks(missed games)..2017 INT leader- deshone kizer-22picks
2018 JW- 14picks….(benched twice)..2018 INT leader Big Ben-16picks
as you can see, JW has been near the top of the INT leader list a few times since he’s been drafted…..
he couldve been a back to back INT leader had he not gotten benched…..
so whats a respectable number of INTs for a QB in his 6th year?…..
imo, 9-13….
but history suggest if JW is healthy and plays a full 16game season, he’ll throw at least 15INTs……
will year2 in BAs system actually help?…..
GO BUCS!!!!!!
January 21st, 2020 at 4:14 pm
I bet Rivers salivating over the chance to play for Bruce Arians and this offense.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:19 pm
Buccernutter says,
Not to mention jameis will be a buc next season and people far smarter about fooball than us will make that decision.
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History is on your side on this only because Jameis 1 of 1 has pretty much said so, and unless the Glazers fire him I don’t see how that changes.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:22 pm
Jean
but how much credit does Jameis 1 of 1 deserve? Not sure if that was sarcastic or not but there are far more reasons that just him to indicate that.
Just check out bucs media for example. Several posts on his tds and plays this season. For people that don’t know, the marketing dept and front office work hand in hand. They WILL NOT post this stuff to inevitably cut him.
But I’m sure there’s a bunch of people that ACTUALLY BELIEVE rivers will be our qb next season
Just wait and see I guess.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:23 pm
James in one season with a good defense was 9-7.
Jameis in another season with a good run game was pepsi roty and a pro bowler.
He’s had bottom 5 in BOTH his other 3 seasons.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:24 pm
SB
We NEVER found a run game this season. Unless you think a below average run game is a good thing.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:29 pm
LC
Our defense was playing at an almost elite level, and we were 5-3 and 2 missed kicks from possibly 7-1 LOL.
Why are you still focused on turnovers if those are wins? It’s a lose lose with this team.
If we go 11-5 and jameis throws 30 ints, you’ll still have m***** f*****s doggin jameis.
JAMEIS NEEDS TO FIX HIS INTS, THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO SAY HERE BUT ACTING LIKE HIS FIRST YEAR IN A NEW SYSTEM IS INDICATIVE OF HIS FUTURE IS ASININE. GIVE HIM A DEFENSE THAT WE ENDED THE SEASON WITH IN YEAR 2, AND HE WON’T HAVE 30 INTS. DISAGREE IF YOU WANT BUT THE FUNNY THING IS….
YOU’RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT! HAHAHA
January 21st, 2020 at 4:30 pm
“will year2 in BAs system actually help?…..“
That’s the big question. Is this even BA’s offense? How much of an impact is it that BL is calling the plays. I think a young QB and a young coordinator in year two both can only get better. The QB and coordinator work together to come up with scripted plays and such. BL should have a much better idea of what Jameis can and can’t execute and I want to say that will help him cut down on those early INts. Only time will tell.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:36 pm
Lord C … One thing many fans seem to disregard is the impact of turnovers on the defense, especially on their number of defensive snaps. Our defensive starters truly were ‘Mountain Men’ IMO … we got our money’s worth to be sure in terms of ‘time on the field’.
Just as an example, there were 3 games this season in which our defense was on the field for an average of 88 defensive snaps (that’s incredible to me … our seasonal average was 67 defensive snaps/game). We won the first 2 (Rams & Falcons) and were in a position to win the 3rd (Falcons). Thanks to … our defense.
The average offensive snaps for our Bucs? Only 63 in those 3 games (our seasonal average was 68 offensive snaps/game). So in those 3 games, the snaps were very lopsided (our defense was on the field for 25 MORE snaps than our offense), yet our defense ‘held tough’ and we won 2 out of 3. That impresses me.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:40 pm
Buccernutter … “WHY GOD?!?! WHY WAS I BORN INTO THE DUMBEST FAN BASE IN SPORTS?!?!”
Come on man. You don’t think THAT was insulting to the other JBF commenters? There’s no lack of comprehension there. Your words pretty well speak for themselves.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:42 pm
Why shouldn’t it be a good idea? It crossed my mind days ago and I mentioned it on this board.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:45 pm
Every fan in America (NFL, MLB, NHL & NBA) thinks that he/she is a part of the “dumbest fan base in sports” at times.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:45 pm
Nutter…just wish you guys would get over the Pro Bowl thing. He was about the 8th selection after a boatload of guys bowed out. He never was close to being a starting first or second choice pro bowl player. And not within a mile of the honor Evans and Godwin got as second team All Pro selection. Just want you guys to get it straight.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:46 pm
That is like a beauty contest where from the top 10 finalists, 8 were disqualified. Better than a kick in the pants, but not nearly as big a deal.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:51 pm
Reliable source: Rivers is about done, no interest by the Bucs. Transition tag for JW
January 21st, 2020 at 4:51 pm
THE DENVER BRONCOS WON THE SUPER IN 2015 WITH 23 INTERCEPTIONS AS A TEAM, AND MANNING THREW MORE INTERCEPTIONS THAN WINSTON.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO WIN WHEN THROWING A LOT OF INTERCEPTIONS.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:53 pm
TBBF…you can give a kid the best education in the world, and if he doesn’t let it penetrate the thing between his ears, it won’t accomplish anything. Jameis has had the advantage of years of coaching and expense paid by the Glazers to do everything to help “educate” him. And if he lets it all roll off in the reason that “I’m ballin”, it means nothing…nor will it ever.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:55 pm
Reliable source? Care to name it? Rivers has said he won’t retire, and Bellicheat said his long ball is still excellent. Your source? If you won’t name it, I smell BS.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:56 pm
I am for bringing Winston back on a mulityear deal. Carson Palmer’s take on the situation is probably the most relevant one you could get and is worth a second listen.
But if Bruce does not think Winston can develope into his system I like the Phillip Rivers idea. Best free agent Target in mine opinion considering he still got some life in his arm. Also wonder what the trade market could offer. Couple decent options that could be avialable.
In any case I want……I demand…..a pro experienced QB. With our defense finnally turning a corner this team is built to win next year…….And we need a freaking kicker. I’d be just about ready to move on from Gay. Enough playing around with that freaking position. It’s too important……….If I’m the owners I find one myself or even trade for one. Or I find somebody outside the organization to scout a kicker for us. No way I let Licht fail again. Then I have an open competition in camp and if Gay loses Licht is gone with him. I will 🔥 him over that position.
January 21st, 2020 at 4:59 pm
The stat sheet says Manning had 17 ints during the 2015 season. ESPN.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:00 pm
Hahaha nutter thinks our fan base is dumb cause some want to get rid of Winston. I got news for you muchambo. Winston would have been run out of half the cities in the league if he lost as many games as he did here with all the boneheaded mistakes to boot.
You are very far off base with your comment about that.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:04 pm
Agree with Buccernutter 100%.
DR–you disappoint me. You’re obviously a great stat researcher but, like most that do so, you find stats that comply with your subjectiveness–especially as of late. Nothing wrong with that, except the transparency sullies objectivity. Of course your counter could be that sports fans, by nature, are incapable of objectivity. Yet, there was a time when I thought of you as one of the few exceptions to that credo.
Now you’re defending all JBF as intelligent?
What’s next–having tmax over for dinner?
January 21st, 2020 at 5:05 pm
Buccernutter … “Not to mention jameis will be a buc next season and people far smarter about fooball than us will make that decision.”
Well Buccernutter, we agree on half of that at least … some folks far smarter than us will make that decision. BUT … not a single one of us has any idea IF Jameis will be back or not, so stop pretending like it’s a done deal. That depends on many factors that neither you nor I have any clue about. You know, little things like what the Glazers think of Jameis & his future VALUE to the Bucs? Or what OTHER options MIGHT open up for the Bucs between now & the start of FA?
And oh, when chastising others for not ‘backing things up”, you should ‘back up’ subjective positions like “I know he needs to work on his completion percentage and turnovers but I just think he will.”
‘But I just think he will’? That’s a well ‘backed up position’? Actually that’s a very risky proposition. Yet ironically, I personally HOPE you’re right IF we keep him. If he doesn’t dramatically cut down the turnovers, Bucs just won a replay of 2019.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:06 pm
I thought that players game checks were taxed where that weeks game was played, not where the player lives, and any signing bonus would be taxed in the state the team plays in. I remember watching a video about a Bucs player that explained the way the taxes work.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:09 pm
He didn’t move here to save a little money, he can afford to live in California. He also didn’t move here to play for the Bucs.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:16 pm
DR
Dude like I said don’t let me down. I know you’re smarter than that. I’m sure it was insulting to some of the posters but why you gotta think I’m talking about you unless you’re insecure? I mean the fan base, not jbf posters. A lot of you know your stuff but this is biased cuz you research. Come on man. Evidently there is a lack of comprehension when you think I literally mean every single fan which I am surprised you actually perceive it that way. Your frustration with that line speaks for itself.
mark2001
I like how you ignored pepsi roty. It’s hilarious how everyone devalues the probowl. I don’t care if he was picked 8th, he made it his rookie season. Yes it’s not as great of an achievement but you cannot discount a probowler under any circumstance as they are still better than average. come on man.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:20 pm
Jimmy Jack
What?!?!! HAHAHA Talk about a lack of comprehension. I never said anyone who wants to get rid of jameis is dumb. That is not why I refer to them that way lol. There’s a bunch of reasons and like i said, I’m not in the minority. The ones that are dumb are the ones that cannot back up why they want to get rid of him other than his int numbers or those that that belittle the opinions of those players i listed are just a few reasons why.
Ya other franchises would run jameis out of here cuz most have a history of excellent or franchise qbs. We don’t. We are an outlier. We are biased. However, do you think bruce is dumber than all those alleged franchises when he opts to keep jameis? Hmmmm…..
You are very far off base with my context, muchambo (?). What’s with the corny insults and jbf?
January 21st, 2020 at 5:21 pm
Interesting but hell no. Rivers has not won much in the post season, he’s 38 and not mobile at all. But with arians? Nothing surprises me. He fits the MO arians likes. Jameis might be off to the Indy Colts?
January 21st, 2020 at 5:26 pm
Buccernutter says,
Jameis’s ints weren’t astronomical before this season. It’s important to realize it was year one in a new scheme known for ints in which palmer and manning struggled and then came around.
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Sorry but I had to comment on this statement. Yes, it was Jameis’s first season under Arians scheme but I would be remiss if I didn’t remind you that Arians and Koetters offense are very similar and by using that statement is a poor excuse for Jameis’s regression. He threw less INT’s in all of Koetter’s seasons with the Bucs plus Godwin hadn’t exploded on to the scene yet either.
Personally, I think Jameis just didn’t give a sh|t about turnovers in his contract season. I think he thought if he could pass for lots of yards he’d get paid. When Arians gave him the green light to launch with no regards to TO’s it turned into a back door strategy to be rewarded with a new contract even through failure.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:27 pm
For the guy who asked how it worked
-150 means you lay the book $150 to win $100. +300 means that you bet $100 to win $300.
This isn’t a serious proposition; dozens of people will know the answer well before it’s announced. The same sports book that would let you bet $1,000,000 on an actual game might only take $200 on this. It’s done to get publicity (and it obviously worked).
Still, -150 for Rivers to come to Tampa Bay is unbelievably strong.
I’m with Joe. Just don’t see it. First of all, Phillip Rivers spent his whole career with another team known for ineffective ownership. I just can’t believe he’d sign with the Glazers.
I don’t think Winston’s people want him to stay here. That’s why you hear the no-tag talk. He’d probably love to get released so he can go to Tennessee, Oakland, New England.If we hear Jameis is hosting Phil and his large family at his house so they can check out the area, then we really need to start getting worried.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:30 pm
DR
I don’t really have much to say about your first paragraph other than wait and see. I have my sources and evidence that points to that decision but I will not debate a stranger on the internet about it. Like i said, wait and see. Come find me when jameis isn’t a buc, in x amount of years. If you don’t think he’ll be back, well, you know, ahhh nevermind. Just watch.
You really had a deep analysis of what I said in such a small sentence. I have my legit, educated reasons. As do favre, arians, leftwich, young, bradshaw, sapp, moss, etc. I really don’t need to break them down to you as I included a ton of context in several posts as to why including defense, run game, ol and coaching. But do you man….
Like I said, jameis will be back. Don’t believe me? Just watch. And yes if his ints don’t decrease then we have an issue. It would be anomaly in bruce’s system of the past, however. I almost hope we get rivers to bridge eason like jc says so that everyone will see them throw crazy ints in year one of the system but still hold out more hope than jameis is getting which will prove there are ulterior motives.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:36 pm
Jean
Do you actually believe there aren’t HUGE differences in dirk’s and bruce’s systems? It’s more than just the west coast offense dude. I think you got a point about jameis’s mindset but look at matt ryan this season, started off dealing balls to the other team even MORE SO than jameis til he got it figured out.
As far as “Jameis’s regression” well that’s another debate that both sides could win considering he increased his tds and yards by a astronomical amount. I wouldn’t say regression but agree to disagree. He also had OJ who was a focus last year and played very well. 842 yards for godwin wasn’t exactly a bad season either and only 2 less tds.
I’m just saying I’m not the only one that believes he will get it right and there are a TON of experts that agree. I’m not disagreeing with ANYONE that jameis’s ints are detrimental and that’s the difference, open minded vs close minded.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:36 pm
The moral of this article is nobody has any idea where Rivers is going. Vegas has odds on it for crying out loud. That alone tells you that it’s highly unpredictable.
I also love the report on buzz Joe had. Hahaha….I can confirm that report. Bucs radio, podcasts, websites…..All mentioning Rivers. That’s all’s that’s needed to qualify for buzz.
January 21st, 2020 at 5:46 pm
Buccernutter I like you points and agree with most but I’ll have you know when you attack our fanbase I take it personally.
I will defend any true long suffereing Buc fan. If you attack them then the gloves come off. That muchambo comment was a bit of a cheap shot but like I said you made it personal. I will not hold anything back when it comes to defending Bucs fanbase!!
January 21st, 2020 at 5:47 pm
With Rivers, the Bucs make the playoffs.
With Winston they do not
January 21st, 2020 at 5:55 pm
Jimmy
I respect it but man you’re covering for a lot of trash. Again, not all but there are a lot of malicious bucs fans.
Let’s just say I’m not attacking the true long suffering buc fan and I absolutely wasn’t getting personal with any one person. But I respect your passion.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:07 pm
As long as the Bucs get a top qb prospect, a young mobile qb with a high ceilings I wouldnt mind rivers for one season. I would like Winston back for onr more season but if hes not I wouldnt hate this. If you are going to draft a rookie its smart to.have them sit and learn from a vet
January 21st, 2020 at 6:07 pm
Lord, turnovers cost us the season? Actually Jameis avg picks in years 1-4 were almost half of what they were this year. Even with all of those picks if Gay can make two field goals the team is 9-7. If the refs don’t blow a fumble call the Bucs are 10-6 and are in the dance. Tannehill threw for less than 100 yards per game in two playoff wins and was carried by D Henry. There is a very good reason why many don’t think he will be back under center for TN next year even with the run they had. I want Jameis back. This team played well enough to be a playoff team this year. Jameis will almost certainly get his ints close to his career average in year two with this offense. I want them to fortify the lines, plug some holes and defense and lets enjoy the ride next year.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:11 pm
I just want to add if they don’t retain jameis (which they will) then I’m all in on rivers for a bride. Eason would be a good project too.
Just don’t be surprised when we have 2 years filled with interceptions when they both take turns starting. It will slow down this process.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:12 pm
Bridge not bride. 😂😂😂
January 21st, 2020 at 6:17 pm
Eric…I know that was an issue with the NBA…. but even if it is with the NFL, the money he has saved and is earning a return on wouldn’t be taxed elsewhere. If he moves to Florida, it would be Florida. And of course, we have no state income tax. And I’d imagine he has a pretty impressive retirement portfolio.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:17 pm
@TouchDownTampabay
I’m fine with another year because fck it at this point lol. Why not year 6. Like you said he’s never thrown INT’s at the rate of 2019.
Every team can point to a few plays that cost them a few wins though. We are not unique in that regard.
When turnovers are the reason our defense ranked 29th and not 17th (by just adjusting to the NFL average), it’s hard not to say they were the #1 culprit of the season. A top 3 scoring offense and 17th ranked scoring defense should = an 11 win type team not 7-9.
Last 2 weeks of the season were on Winston. Even if Gay connects on his kicks that is just 20 points scored by the offense against a non-elite Falcons defense considering we got spotted a pick 6 by Devin White. Houston was all on Winston.
This is the first season I can definitely say Winston robbed the team of more wins than the defense did when breaking down all our losses.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:18 pm
Buccernutter
glad you clarified
…wouldn’t wanna upset the LGB… crowd or the thumpers, would we? lol
January 21st, 2020 at 6:19 pm
@813
Good points on ME / Godwin.
I’m team Winston or Eason 2020 lol
Rivers = older turnover prone QB with less of an arm who would be in year 1 of the system.
The only way Rivers makes sense to me is if we’re talking a $12-15M difference in pay between him / Winston because that’s one of our elite edge rushers.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:21 pm
Bucs fans: dumbest in the NFL. There is no way Rivers is coming to Tampa Bay…the Statue of Liberty behind THAT offensive line? Three steps back for the Buccaneers and Rivers would be knocked out by midseason. Rivers most likely destination is Indianapolis. He moved to the Panhandle to be near his family in Alabama. Some of you cretins believe Destin/Ft. Walton Beach is across the street from RayJay.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:22 pm
LMAO 😂 they’re mad either way.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:23 pm
Licht headed.
Be careful, people actually think you’re referring to yourself lol.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:23 pm
Tennessee doesn’t want Winston and nobody wants him for a million per int or more ! Pull your heads out of you butts you people must some some great weed! Open your eyes
January 21st, 2020 at 6:25 pm
Nutter…do you know the difference between the Pro Bowl and being All Pro? How you receiver that honor? It is a completely different thing. Personally I’d take one All Pro honor over 10 pro bowl beauty contests. The fact that they keep going down the line to find guys that will show up and play should tell you something. Like I said…better than a kick in the pants. But being 8 out of 32 teams is barely in the top 25 percent. Just think about it.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:34 pm
Mark2001
Man that may have been the worst rebuttal I’ve ever seen! What kind of tangent did you just go on? So your counter to a pro bowl being a respectable accomplishment is that all pro is better and you’d rather have 1 all pro than 10 pro bowls? Lmao okay dude.
Yes you’re right all pro is better. Thanks for the common sense lesson. Still doesn’t take away from being a pro bowler is a great accomplishment. No matter how u spin it, he was there which mean he had a good season…as a rookie.
Like how you ignored Pepsi roty again.
Just think about it..
January 21st, 2020 at 6:36 pm
Licht headed……We got a QB set to hit free agency in 2 months and no clear signs that the Bucs wanna keep him.
So we are dumb for discussing a QB who is a excellent fit for our offense and also just happened to move across the country into our state. Also Phillip Rivers will likely want to play for a team he can win with which we are built to do next season.
I give forgive youre gross ignorance as you seem to have slight brain damage.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:40 pm
Buccernutter,
Name calling makes your apologist argument that much weaker!!!
Jameis is not the truth. Too many turnovers and too inefficient with the football.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:41 pm
Buccernutter … ” I mean the fan base, not jbf posters.” Nice back-track. Kudos. Not buying it, but it was a good try.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:48 pm
Pepsi ROTY… wow…you love those meaningless awards. Pepsi..LOL. Yeah..I just can’t wait to see who wins that every year. Highest achievement of the career? The Pepsi ROTY. Who cares about All Pro. Wow.
Obviously you rather talk out your backside than think, since almost everyone on this thread is telling you that you are lacking in that. Maybe you might take a hint?
January 21st, 2020 at 6:54 pm
SteveK
Okay I honestly don’t have anything to say other than you’ll be cheering for that dude we apologize for in September. Or August if you’re about that life.
DR
Lol it wasn’t a backtrack. I clearly stated the fan base from beginning. You were the one that felt the need to perceive it as all jbf posters. Nah homie, just some of them. It’s clear who they are, well to some of us.
January 21st, 2020 at 6:56 pm
Buccernutter,
Your belief that fans with differing takes than you are “dumb” and “idiots” is ridiculous.
It’s all about the TD:Turnover Ratio.
January 21st, 2020 at 7:00 pm
Pro bowl means very little…in fact, they have been trying to revamp it for years, as fewer and fewer of the first selections have been attending. It is a money making beauty contest. Many players after taking their families to Hawaii a few times, have said, thanks but no thanks. I rarely even watch it…the rules are different. It is barely entertaining. It is less important than the last preseason game. But oh man, in your book it is quite an accomplishment…Just remember…barely in the top 25% of all NFL QB’s. LOL.
January 21st, 2020 at 7:04 pm
Mark2001
I’ve been discussing someone more important than the difference between all pro and pro bowl with everyone else. Half of which agree with me. You’re in your own little world over there buddy. Your content is a little boring.
Ya dude pro bowls, pepsi roty, #2 AP pro bowl voting are meaningless. Got it 👍. Excellent, well thought out, input. You nailed it. Jameis did NOT have a good rookie season. Thanks for you work mark2001.
January 21st, 2020 at 7:05 pm
Something more important*
January 21st, 2020 at 7:06 pm
Buccernutter,
Pro bowl doesn’t mean much of anything compared to all-pro.
Jameis made it as like the 6th alternate.
There are only two “all-pro” teams. That is where it’s at.
January 21st, 2020 at 7:07 pm
SteveK
Well no, not my belief…at all. But thanks. 😘
January 21st, 2020 at 7:11 pm
SteveK
LMAO dude we all know. It’s common sense. You are missing the pt.
The pt was pro bowls are still valuable no matter how any of you clowns try to spin it. The other pt is jameis had a good season his rookie year no matter how you try to spin that. Even if you think pro bowls and the Pepsi roty are meaningless.
Smh keep up. Lol.
January 21st, 2020 at 7:17 pm
Jameis had a good rookie year. Ancient history. You are lost in the past. You do know that was a few years back, don’t you? Who uses that to make an argument about year six and signing a player to a speculated 30 mil. dollar contract?
No one said he didn’t have some raw talent..that is why he was drafted where he was. But this is year six. He wants top starter money and he plays like an inconsistent QB worth far less. He a guy that has never led his team to a meaningful victory…a guy that still, many times, plays horribly. Take your trip down memory lane if you wish.. But stop the weak apologetics. They have no bearing on his next year contract. Pepsi ROTY… weak…very weak.
January 21st, 2020 at 7:31 pm
I dont want anyone but JW unless that guy has a 5000 yarder on his resume. Oh wait only 6 have done it in the last 100 years. Maybe we can get Drew Brees or Marino
January 21st, 2020 at 7:41 pm
Oh Lamarcus. That’s bad. Real bad. The haters will be all over you like white on rice for that one bro.
Well, you take the yards. I want the wins.
January 21st, 2020 at 7:43 pm
Lemarcus…I want a guy that wins big games…that can occasionally put a team on his shoulders and will them to victory. That can come up big in clutch time. That can lead his fellow players to play their best…can make the team better through his leadership. Wish we had one. For 30 mil. we should.
January 21st, 2020 at 7:45 pm
LaMarcus..not Le…I apologize.
January 21st, 2020 at 8:36 pm
813bucboi Says
“…missing Evans/Godwin really was that dramatic to destroy our passing offense…”
Total revisionist history.
Miller and Perriman both needed a couple games to get it. It could also be said that Winston rose their level of play.
January 21st, 2020 at 8:37 pm
I don’t get the this comment:
“Don’t tell me you think you’re smarter than bruce, steve young, favre, sapp, moss, palmer, and bradshaw who have advocated for Jameis…”
That comment ignores other guys in pro-football who have been unfavorable to the Buc’s continuing to retain Jameis Winston.
That includes Bill Polian, Cris Carter, Bobby Carpenter, Mike Golic, Louis Riddick, Tim Hasselbeck, Ryan Clark, Steve Smith, Shannon Sharpe, Brian Billick, Willie Roaf and Dan Orlovsky (used to be a Jameis fan).
Marcus Spears said: “Jameis Winston continues to not take care of the football… the number one job is to make sure that you squeeze all of the possible possessions”
Rex Ryan said that only reason Jameis has continued as the QB for so long is that Jason Licht drafted him.
January 21st, 2020 at 8:44 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DidB9dBU7cc
January 21st, 2020 at 8:44 pm
Geno
That’s the pt. There is a middle ground to this and well respected NFL analysts and players on both sides of the debate. I’m simply suggesting these guys to those who are sold that jameis will not improve. Not too difficult of a concept.
January 21st, 2020 at 8:50 pm
Mark2001
Dude that was the topic of discussion lmao. I said jameis had good seasons with a good supporting cast. Come on dude catch up. Then you went on about how all pros are better than pro bowlers blah blah blah.
You can go off topic and debate yourself all night. Pt is jameis is going to be your QB next season. Just watch. You can roll with your pessimism of him and that’s great, but you’ll be thinking about him a lot for a while. Probably trashing him here a lot too. Something tells me, even if he’s winning.
January 21st, 2020 at 11:13 pm
I’d take the Rivers of 10 years ago, but to get him at 38 is just silly. He ain’t no Tom Brady and speaking of which, that hoity toity dude won’t be coming here either.
January 21st, 2020 at 11:40 pm
We should never defile Doug Williams history by comparing his departure to Blameless (if it happens). Doug’s leaving was a tragedy inflicted on the fans by a racist owner. IF Blameless leaves it will be a collective “no mas” to self-inflicted head wounds from banging our heads over the last 5 years.
At this point, I want to fast forward a few months and get on with it. If Blameless is back at least I can plan on taped games of little importance beginning in November… really frees up the weekend. I enjoyed the draft redo of swapping Suh for GMC so much that I kind of want to see JW swapped out for Mariota… maybe to mentor Herbert. Could be interesting… maybe even Entertaining.
January 21st, 2020 at 11:56 pm
LOL
January 22nd, 2020 at 6:40 am
Colin in Canada Says:
January 21st, 2020 at 2:52 pm
Just resign Winston.
I agree! Just RESIGN, Winston!!!….NOW!!! Before they cut your dumbarse!!!
January 22nd, 2020 at 8:55 am
And Nutter…that was five years ago…before every D coordinator in the league had a season of pro ball to study him. They have his number. You must be new to football to not understand such things. The NFL is a game of continual adjustments, a chess match between D and O coordinators, and QB’s. The good QB’s adjust their games and stay a step ahead of the opposition. You have to develop and improve your game or perish. You like captain mothballs and his Pepsi ROTY…fine for you. Can he learn to be a Franchise QB? I have my doubts, but whatever. And BTW…having two All Pro receivers, plus another great one in Perriman isn’t a “lack of talent”…many good QB’s would love to throw to these guys. And BTW…Rodgers had to deal with a boatload of young D backs and such this year, had one good TE and one young blossoming receiver, and did pretty well. No excuses. Please talk to some that have watched the game for decades…and even some that know people that have played or worked in organizations. You have so much to learn. But instead you rather try to bluster your way into convincing posters you know something. You don’t. There are many saavy posters on this board…DUDE… welcome to the 21st century.
January 22nd, 2020 at 9:03 am
BTW Nutter… if you had been around on this board for a while, you would know I don’t mind Jameis being brought back… on a lower 20 mil. “incentive laden” contract. Maybe Arians can convince him to adjust his game to cut his turnovers in half. I’d be happy, because that would mean the Bucs, along with continued development of the young guys in the Bowles D, would probably be in the playoffs. And draft a QB that we can develop into a low salary cap impact guy over the next couple years if Jameis falters. And if Jameis becomes a franchise quality QB, trade the young guys a couple years from now.
But this isn’t because of nonsense Pepsi ROTY or on Pro-bowl alternate appearance. That would be because he has developed his game and arrived as a franchise QB. It isn’t about love or hate. Nothing personal regarding Jameis. It is simply about the Bucs becoming a SB contending team.
January 22nd, 2020 at 9:42 am
mark2001
Dude you just wasted so much time with your common sense paragraph. You did not say anything in that response that most casual fans are even aware of. Nothing you said was really relevant to what I was discussing. I said Jameis had good seasons with a good defense and a good run game, which he did. Then you went off topic and I’m not sure why. I can tell I know a lot more than you do when you’re still talking about football 101 and still haven’t comprehended what I’ve been saying, even after I repeated the same context in 3 different ways at this point. Also, stating jameis didn’t do what rodgers did this season is a hilarious reach. So he didn’t do what rodgers did so he’s not a good qb?!?! LMAO got it bro.
I also never said he had a lack of talent at the wr position. I mean I literally stated defense, ol and run game at least 3x in this thread. At this point you’re too lost to hold this convo. You even had steveK wandering off as well. The pt has gone over your head too many times at this point. The smartest, most relevant thing you said in relation to this convo was could he be a franchise qb, you have your doubts. That I can respect by not your pop warner knowledge.
I will try this one last time, I am NOT GLORIFYING PEPSI ROTY!!! I said, now keep up here, that jameis had a good season as a rookie with a run game. I don’t care what attempts you make to twist that pepsi roty and pro bowl don’t mean anything, they are INDICATIVE OF A GOOD SEASON. PERIOD! You got lost somewhere along the way and even went as far as to say, all pro is better. Well no s*** sherlock. I guess I have never seen someone speak so much common sense while simultaneously trying to convince someone else that they need to learn more LOL. You’re debating step one when we’re upstairs homie, catch up.
If you want to really discuss, hit me up at eac1029 @ gmail . com and I will be more than happy to school you because you have only repeated what kids learn in pee wee football and tried to argue that jameis didn’t have a good rookie season cuz all pro is better than pro bowls.
There are many SAVVY*** posters on this site, but I’m afraid you are not one of them. Like I said before you’re debating yourself at the kids table man. When my son wants an elementary explanation of accolades, I’ll hit u up.
January 22nd, 2020 at 12:07 pm
Honestly, if it happened it’s because Arians believed it was best and I’m good with it. I’m also good with Winston coming back because Arians wants to do it. I believe in Bruce
I’m not like the Winston haters that want anybody but Winston… the ABW crowd that thinks any QB they’ve heard of must be better and I’m not like the Winston lovers either that don’t care what he does just as long as he’s a Buc. Whichever way Bruce Arians decides to go, I trust him. He is a proven winner and should be given the benefit of the doubt… BTW, he was right…the secondary is FIXED!
January 22nd, 2020 at 2:21 pm
Pepsi ROTY and sixth Alternate Pro Bowl do mean next to nothing. And absolutely nothing after five years. And your lengthy paragraph, as well as your other posts on this board, mean basically nothing. You can’t school anyone. I said he had a good year his rookie year during our discussion. All the other posters just gave up on you and had a laugh at your expense. I tried to educate you, but you think you already know it all. If that were the case, you wouldn’t continue to make bizarre statements. As a wise man said…sometimes no good deed goes unpunished.
And why would I want to spend more time trying to educate you further? And posting your email? Wow… just wow.
January 22nd, 2020 at 3:14 pm
I can’t believe how dumb you are mark2001. You still don’t fully grasp the context. I’ve never seen this happen outside of a child.
You did not say he had a good year his rookie year LOL. That’s why you went on your silly tangent about all pros. My point was he had good seasons when he had a good defense and a good run game in those two years. I’ve explained this 3x and we never would have gotten to this pt if you agreed to that HAHA.
3 of the other 6 posters agreed with me and the others stopped, most likely because agreeing with you was embarrassing. They were able to comprehend what I said and realized I made a point.
If you really think you’re educating anyone on anything, it’s like a 6 year old explaining to an adult that Santa is from the north pole and what you need to do to get on the good list. That’s about the level of “educating” you do on this site, little boy.
No, not to educate me further, but to discuss live on my podcast. Hit me up man, that’s the only way, by giving you my contact info. But of course, you’ll deflect and I will never see anything from you.
Like I said, if I need someone to teach my children about the difference between all pro and pro bowl or anything about santa, I’ll send them your way. Until then, you’re a boy among men. You make the dumb ones look good.
Man you must be the easiest seal clubbing I’ve ever had. You didn’t say anything LMAO!
January 22nd, 2020 at 3:23 pm
Hate to call you a liar…but scroll up and look at the first sentence……time 7:17 Quoted exactly… and look at the second paragraph..I even said he obviously had raw talent. Your name is the only thing you got right.
” Jameis had a good rookie year. Ancient history. You are lost in the past. You do know that was a few years back, don’t you? Who uses that to make an argument about year six and signing a player to a speculated 30 mil. dollar contract?
No one said he didn’t have some raw talent..that is why he was drafted where he was. But this is year six. He wants top starter money and he plays like an inconsistent QB worth far less. He a guy that has never led his team to a meaningful victory…a guy that still, many times, plays horribly. Take your trip down memory lane if you wish.. But stop the weak apologetics. They have no bearing on his next year contract. Pepsi ROTY… weak…very weak.”
January 22nd, 2020 at 3:25 pm
Talking about bizarre statements when you went on 3 rants about probowls don’t mean the player had a good season, all pro means more, and jameis won’t be good cuz he didn’t do what rodgers did this season. You also are making up things that other posters are allegedly doing while you continue to get embarrassed. What a reach to make yourself look less dumb. HA ya man whatever you say.
In the end it took you almost a full day to AGREE jameis had a good rookie season and he will be back which is the BASIS OF THIS DEBATE! LMAO
You’ve watched this game for decades and still don’t know s***, let alone know how to comprehend a debate.
But but but but pro bowls aren’t as good as all pros and pepsi roty doesn’t mean the player had a good season! Ya mark, great work in the last day! You have great analytic skills. You have what it takes to be a fan! You are great! Excellent input.
Now go sit down over there with the kids.
January 22nd, 2020 at 3:25 pm
Good luck to you nutter…I’d imagine you will be needing it.
January 22nd, 2020 at 3:27 pm
Take a day? I said it yesterday at 7:17. About 20 hrs. ago….Wow.
January 22nd, 2020 at 3:33 pm
O okay so it took you that long to say he had a good rookie year when I said from the beginning a reason indicative of his success was the pro bowl and pepsi roty. That was my point! HAHAHAHAHA. So you still didn’t comprehend that he had a good year with a good run game? That was my point! LOL Meaning jameis can be a good qb when he has a supporting cast outside of ONLY his receivers. How good he was his rookie season is only half the context that you couldn’t fully grasp. SMH
I have said this isn’t glorifying pepsi roty several times now it’s almost crazy that you keep mumbling that to yourself. I get it mark, it’s not a great accomplishment in your eyes, not the point. Stop debating yourself.
This was and will always be about what professionals that know more than you or I will decide to do with him. It’s looking very likely he will be back next season and with a solid run game and/or defense, he should have similar success to when he was gifted those in his first 2 seasons. I still can’t believe you haven’t understood that, yet.
I bet you’re still debating to yourself how great of an accomplishment pepsi roty is though. Ha.
January 22nd, 2020 at 3:39 pm
So long? Within four hours of your first post, and within 2 1/2 hours of my first post on this thread to you. Man, you need some psychological help. If, if, if…he will be great, great, great. Whatever.
January 22nd, 2020 at 3:44 pm
No it took you a day to comprehend my pt, but I’m not sure you even get it yet. This was not about how good of a rookie season he had, but that he was good when he had that supporting cast. For some reason, and I know it’s sad if true, I sincerely don’t think you got it even after a full day. Not to mention I said AND HE WILL BE BACK, which is the focal point of this convo due to improvement on the team overall and he has the ability to be successful under those circumstances. Wow Mark you are one dumb guy that reaches for anything to cling to life.
Sorry I didn’t realize you responded with his rookie season was good already, but that wasn’t even a fragment of the point. Even after you agreed to that, you still wouldn’t even go on track that he was successful with a good run game.
Good luck, I know you’ll need it. -Doug Funny at his peak on nickelodeon
January 22nd, 2020 at 3:47 pm
I need psychological help because I’m smarter than you? Ha okay mark2001. I like how you put your birth date in your name btw.
If you’re so confident in your knowledge hit me up. Like I said I have a podcast and you can back up your words on air. Then when you get waxed, you can tell everyone the difference between all pro and pro bowl and tell me I need psychological help.
January 22nd, 2020 at 3:51 pm
Who else wants a seal clubbing?
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:08 pm
I hope we bring in a veteran FA QB, save money and draft a QB for BA to groom @ 14. Then, we can resign the defensive line and give Chris Godwin the extension he has EARNED.
Our QB can test the market, and good riddance. Take the turnovers somewhere else.
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:29 pm
Hate to give you a dose of reality, but sadly you don’t even seem smart enough to read a post or count the hours in a day. What a sham…what a nut. Nickelodeon…has a podcast? Wow.
Retired in 50’s, multiple homes and properties, six figure yearly income in retirement, successful children, happily married for forty years….yeah…I have no reason to live. LOL. Are you right about anything? Guess not.
January 22nd, 2020 at 4:44 pm
Steve.. That is my hope as well. But if Bruce feels that Jameis can in fact cut his ints substantially, and become a successful franchise QB, I wouldn’t mind seeing him back with a 20+ incentive laden contract. Then take that money and extend Godwin. That being said, we definitely need a “plan B” QB, and would be very happy to see us draft one in the first few rounds. We can’tt lrest the future of this franchise on the erratic history of Jameis.
January 22nd, 2020 at 7:19 pm
Mark2001
You want more kiddo? Man using my own insults against me. Hey, better than your original content… I guess. You got it I can’t read or count the hours in a day. 👍
I’m just confused why you told me about your life. You’ve been insulting me all day yet feel the desire to prove yourself to a stranger on the internet? Who said you don’t have a reason to live? WTF are you even mumbling on about now? You’re a weird guy mark. I could tell you were either really young or really old.
Hit me up man. I know you think you’re better than that but I just want to embarrass you again. Wait nevermind. I’m not right about anything. Except jameis had a good rookie season. Ya you admitted it right?
I know I’m under your skin. Come on bro tell me how I smell or how much better of a person you are. Just keep on coming back. Tell us about how the Superbowl is more important than the wildcard round. You have excellent insight and are very well educated when it comes to football. Or tell me about your personal life. Multiple homes? You’re the greatest. Nobody is right about anything when Mark is around!
January 24th, 2020 at 10:17 am
That’s what I thought…..
Undefeated. Another solid seal clubbing.