Excellent Pass Protection
January 26th, 2020
What the tribe says.
When it comes to football fans, folks love to throw rocks at their favorite team’s offensive line.
Joe always likes to retell a story told by Super Bowl-winning quarterback Phil Simms. The former Giants star, when working TV games for NBC and later CBS, listened to local sports radio when in a town to work a game, to try to get a pulse of the fans.
Simms said without fail he would hear fans complain about their teams’ offensive line. Each week, no matter what town he went to.
It’s no different here in the Tampa Bay area. But Joe believes a lot of this kvetching has been unwarranted.
For example, Demar Dotson did OK this season. Alex Cappa proved to be a freaking warrior. You didn’t see or hear much about Donovan Smith not finishing plays like you noticed in the past, and Ali Marpet was his usual solid self.
But what about Ryan Jensen? One analyst said Jensen was among the best centers in the NFL. And the PFF tribe and their well-trained orangutans dug up a stat that, if you believe it, is mind-blowing.
The Tribe believes Jensen only allowed 15 quarterback pressures in 2019. When you factor in Bucs quarterbacks dropped back to pass 677 times (630 pass attempts and 47 sacks), that is a wildly low number, if you think about it.
Jensen may no longer be the highest-paid center in the NFL. But the dude is sure earning his salary.
January 26th, 2020 at 1:10 pm
Well those 15 pressures allowed were the reason for 15 of Winstons 30 INTs
January 26th, 2020 at 1:26 pm
Why only 15 INT? Why not 20?
He’ll, Jensen alone may be the reason JayMiss sucks.
Peace, out
January 26th, 2020 at 1:30 pm
Only 15 because ten were due to windy conditions, four are on the receivers and one on the pirate ship
January 26th, 2020 at 1:55 pm
I cam buy into this o line being good at pass blocking at least. There wee times I was just shaking my head seeing how long Winston was holding onto the ball. There wede times I started counting and I was 5 or 6 seconds before he finally threw it
January 26th, 2020 at 1:59 pm
I LOVE Jensens nastiness
January 26th, 2020 at 2:24 pm
Of course we were good at pass blocking. We led the freaking league in passing. Anyone who thinks that happens with poor blocking is downright foolish.
January 26th, 2020 at 2:28 pm
That said we do need a tackle. Even if we bring Dotson back. We’ve gotta have somebody ready to go when/if Dotson goes down. He’s defientally too old to rely of for a full season.
January 26th, 2020 at 2:38 pm
I would venture a Guess the Winston was pressured the top Twelve most in the NFL and was in the top eight most of the year !!! If he was in the top twelve along with the rushing avg ,,,, well that makes one of the highest paid lines def one of the absolute worst !!!
It’s not even debatable so Joe , pack it in !!! The numbers don’t lie !!!
January 26th, 2020 at 2:43 pm
The line came together pretty well. They were together for most of the season, but it needs a new right tackle. One that can run block.
Then he, Cappa, and Marpet could pull a few stunts to open holes for a RB. They could then, also, get downfield for screens.
Now we just need a QB that doesn’t hold the ball for so long and we might look like a real football team.
January 26th, 2020 at 3:03 pm
Kobe Bryant dead in a plane crash. You just never know when it’s your time.
January 26th, 2020 at 3:05 pm
*correction* helicopter crash
January 26th, 2020 at 3:06 pm
I’m in moderation? ..why?
January 26th, 2020 at 3:16 pm
RIP KOBE BRYANT
January 26th, 2020 at 3:42 pm
All Betas except Cappa the only Alpha dog of the group.
These guys run block like they are setting basketball screens.
January 26th, 2020 at 3:52 pm
Sorry folks…Jameis holds on to the ball too long, and sometimes doesn’t read and react fast enough. No matter where he is, he will be taking more sacks than need be. It is the way he plays his position. You do know there are plays where he has had a huge amount of time, and still ends up taking the sack. He is improving at throwing the ball away, but still… you can’t blame them all on the line.
January 26th, 2020 at 4:05 pm
Is this another feather in Lichts Cap?
January 26th, 2020 at 4:08 pm
I think Kobe is faking.
January 26th, 2020 at 4:28 pm
Bucs staff prints out this article. FedEx’s to Thomas E. Brady.
January 26th, 2020 at 4:30 pm
Your assessment speaks about individual performances. Maybe what you said about them is true, individually.
But, as a group, they were terrible. The quarterback has been running for his life for the last 3 years, at least. We have seen Smith wave a red flag as defensive ends blew past him like an open door.
You’re a shill for the offensive line and it is inexplicable.
January 26th, 2020 at 4:37 pm
….and still leads the league in passing (he ballin) …He needs to improve his turnover rate that is a known fact but he is a tireless worker and I know he will all things possible during the off-season to make that happen!! KEEP GRINDING TRAM BUCS “””REST IN PRACE BLACK MOMBA””
January 26th, 2020 at 4:37 pm
I was shocked at well the oline played the last four to six games of the season. It bodes really well for next year. We still have too many penalties and those penalties have had a disproportionate impact. I don’t know if anyone keeps track of a stat like this, but the Bucs got to be close to league leaders in big plays called back by penalties.
It made the interception spike that much more disappointing imho. I’d still like to get the best right tackle in the draft. That, to me, is way more important than any other positional fix.
January 26th, 2020 at 4:37 pm
how well
January 26th, 2020 at 4:41 pm
“BLACK MAMBA””
January 26th, 2020 at 6:03 pm
Yeah Big Hog we knew who you meant and agree. RIP Black Mamba
As for our OL…we are perhaps just ONE player away. If we keep Dot it should be simply for depth and not as a starter.
We need to draft an RT who is mean and nasty and can contribute to making our right side a place to run behind. If we get a mean mauler to go with Cappa and Jensen at Center we then grab a 6-2 235 lb beast who gets his rocks off by trucking defensive players.
Those two players have the potential to complete a devastating offense
January 26th, 2020 at 6:13 pm
I heard Ali Marpet was selected for the Borderline Pro Bowl. (SPBF)
January 26th, 2020 at 6:41 pm
RIP Sir Kobe 🙁
dang, i knew it comes in 3’s….Neil Peart (legendary drummer), Terry Jones (Monty Python comedian), and Kobe….son of a B wth man……
SPBF, Im seriously considering trading down our pick, then grab that C Tyler Badasszzzz. Start him at RG, move Cappa to RT….and then he grooms to be our future C. Or just go ahead and put him at C since we need that Jensen money to bring back our beasts on D (dont know the details of his contract). To me, BPA O line will be our best option since Love and Herbert are gone by #14. Sign a vet, then go get QB Anthony Gordon….then your 6’3 225lb RB Patrick Taylor.
January 26th, 2020 at 7:05 pm
If anyone has an issue w/ the way Jensen played last year and what he brought to our O-Line, they are either just plain dumb or they are just trying way too hard to be different or “that guy (or girl)”.
Jensen is in no way a problem on our O-Line.
January 26th, 2020 at 7:18 pm
All of the below held the ball longer this year than Jameis per NFL Nextgen stats. But yeah the sacks are on Jameis.
Matt Ryan
Baker Mayfield
Mason Rudolph
Jared Goff
Derek Carr
Deshaun Watson
Patrick Mahomes
Teddy Bridgewater
Drew Lock
Marcus Mariota
Devlin Hodges
Daniel Jones
Russell Wilson
Josh Allen
Gardner Minshew
Dwayne Haskins
David Blough
Dak Prescott
Aaron Rodgers
Ryan Tannehill
Lamar Jackson
Sam Darnold
Jacoby Brissett
Kirk Cousins
January 26th, 2020 at 7:24 pm
I just want to know who did this mans polysomnograghy?
January 26th, 2020 at 7:57 pm
rip kobe… a player who had his share of off court controversy and was given another chance and forgiven…. Jameis haters who hold onto 2 sketchy uncharged incidents for jameis might want to think before you prove your a hypocrite when showing love for kobe. especially the judgemental choirboy police who patrol jbf.
January 26th, 2020 at 7:59 pm
stpetebucsfan////:: he gots to be mean and nasty and play under control, I agree with you 100%, we need an enforcer at that RT spot!!!
January 26th, 2020 at 8:35 pm
Tmax glad you went there..,, Bryant was accused of his crime in 2003 and everyone has forgotten about this. The fans that are fair haven’t though.
January 26th, 2020 at 8:35 pm
Of COURSE Joe wants to moderate my post… selective censorship
January 26th, 2020 at 9:00 pm
Fix the OL and draft a 230 lb bruising RB, trade off Howard and get a great blocking TE with good hands, and resign the rest of our Free Agents including Jameis and BA will go deep into the playoffs! The Titans had a great year but didn’t have more than seven wins in the regular season just like the Bucs, but they had a good RB and good OL blocking which Jameis didn’t!
January 26th, 2020 at 9:09 pm
Can any one of these guys open a running lane Mr. Former Offensive Lineman/now GM Jason Licht?
January 26th, 2020 at 9:12 pm
NPUPPY: will you play a game with me? Let me know when you’re ready.
January 26th, 2020 at 9:48 pm
Dam NDog that is a surprise !!
Numbers seldom lie !!
Take into account a downfield Offense also !! O line was not Good !!
They maybe did play Avg the last few games
January 26th, 2020 at 10:31 pm
NDOG The only problem with that stat, it’s time to throw (TT) not time until the qb is pressured. Also half the guys on that list are above average in the ability to scramble/extend plays which would make the TT average higher than the less mobile QBs. To solely judge the online off of that stat would be incorrect. As stated, if it was from the time of the snap until the time the QB was pressured then it would be an indictment to bad oline play
January 26th, 2020 at 10:59 pm
I’d have to see the stats myself. But to be fair that’s average. Just like the rest of Jameis erratic play there were times he got rid of it quickly and others times he just would not get rid of the damn thing. As I mentioned I counted 5 or 6 seconds on some of them and still took th sack
January 26th, 2020 at 11:01 pm
Mad Max
That sequence works for me.
Ghost
bwwaaahaaaa You making fun by twisting a line in one of my posts.
Which begs the question how do you even show your face here without changing your name? SERIOUSLY.
We should have listened to you and picked Henderson who you pimped non stop before the draft. Boy were you prescient…NOT
Got into 13 games a whopping 147 yards and 3.79 YPC…WOW! Maybe he can make my borderline Pro Bowl. LMAO
January 26th, 2020 at 11:03 pm
@BigHog
Yeah great point…our badarse monster needs to play under control..we have enough penalties.
I thought Jensen improved in that area this year. A time and place to pick your shots…not 3-1 on the opponents 20.
January 26th, 2020 at 11:33 pm
Jensen’s biggest play of the year was laying out Dare on the screen pass the opening week which lead to the SF INT for a TD. Not sure how or why people think Jensen is a top center – he didn’t play like it. He’s not that good and makes big time mistakes, and he opens zero holes in the running game.
Cappa was a huge bet that seems like it turned out OK. The problem however is when you draft these guys and it takes them a year and half to develop – well now you only have 2 years of a cheap contract left. Still, he was terrible in the preseason and then turned it around – so good for him. Hopefully he can continue to improve.
Smith has always been a super solid completely average LT with amazing durability.
Dotson wasn’t as bad as people say, but he’s old and getting worse every year. They have to replace him.
Meanwhile Marpet is a top guy but seemingly doesn’t get any national attention, but he’s easily the best offensive lineman on the team.
January 27th, 2020 at 12:12 am
so much BS here..
O-line was horrible,
pass blocking equals 50% of their job,
besides Marpet they suck at run blocking..
And the Clown GM Jason Licht decided to throw big money on two average O-lineman
in Donovan Lazy Smith and The Center instead of his ProBowl 3rd Round pick MlB, creating the need to draft a MLB..
Caooa is a bad joke and Ditson couldn’t run block against my Grandma
way overhyped this guy..
Suckaneers suck becaus they suck in Roster Building and @ talent evaluation
time to boycott this Clownshow of an “professional” team
join the
Fire Licht tonight
movement !!
January 27th, 2020 at 12:47 am
RIP Kobe so sad
January 27th, 2020 at 6:50 am
I disagree with the guys who act like this offensive line was bad. We scored and got the most passing yards. That does not happen with a crappy offensive line.
That being said Dotson is declining and the offensive linemen in the draft are very strong this year unlike last years crop.
Go get one.
January 27th, 2020 at 7:12 am
Good to see NDOG going to advanced stats to make a point.
The advanced stat he used is NextGen — time to throw — excellent point.
He could also look at the advanced stat pocket time. That shows Winston had the 9th most in the NFL.
He could look at the advanced stat of accuracy. Winston was 32nd out of 32 qualifiers.
He could look at drop percentage. Our receivers were 8th best in the league.
He could look at passer rating. Winston was 26th of 32nd qualifiers.
Now Winston was 15th out of 32 qualifiers in QBR – not bad.
He lead the league in passing yards — Excellent.
He was 2nd in the league in passing TD’s – Excellent.
He also lead the league in pick sixes — Horrible.
He lead the league in turnover worthy plays — Horrible.
January 27th, 2020 at 7:39 am
Coburn – you really need to lay off the “wede”
January 27th, 2020 at 8:12 am
Said it all year the offensive line is average to above average. While I don’t think Dotson “sucks” I think the Bucs could stand to try and get younger at that position. The Winston fluffers will have you believe the offensive line sucks and they are the reason why he had so many QB hits and sacks. Or, they’ll have you believe he was running for his life on every play. The high number of sacks and QB hits is almost all on Jay-Miss.
In fact, he was the 2nd most blitzed QB in the NFL. It tells me opposing defensive lines cannot get to the QB on a 4 man rush. In other words, the offensive line is a good one.
January 27th, 2020 at 8:21 am
Ndog,
As usual your ignorance is on full display. You never accounted for all of the QBs that were tied. Besides, you’re really going to be critical of the offensive line when other QBs had a one hundredth of a second advantage?
Every o-line critic always says that good offensive lines give a QB more than 3 seconds to throw. There was only one QB in the NFL that had 3 seconds to throw and that was Kirk Cousins. Everyone else had under three seconds to throw and they are separated by fractions of a seconds.
January 27th, 2020 at 9:03 am
Where did I rip the oline, I’m just doing what I do, disprove false narratives. A post above said Jameis holds the ball to long causing the high number of sacks, just wanted to point out that was garbage.
January 27th, 2020 at 9:12 am
Geno if you also look at the average separation from our WRs it is amongst the worst in the league, thus tighter windows, thus lower comp%.
Guys you really just don’t get it do you. Every offense Jameis has been in is a high volume, high risk, downfield shot taking offense. You cannot compare this offense to offensives like the Eagles, Chiefs, Patriots etc.. because it is so different. It helps contribute to both the high passing numbers and high number of interceptions. We have never seen Jameis in a current NFL normal offense, that’s why if he leaves here there is a VERY HIGH probility he is extremely successful cause every other offense he plays in, with the exception of a few, will be much easier than what he asked to do in our offense. Our skill takes quite a bit to be successful and getting this offense to number 3 scoring in the entire league is extremely impressive considering we had no running game and finished the year without Evans and Godwin. But I know our QB is trash, you guys are so CLUELESS.
January 27th, 2020 at 2:26 pm
Rod Munch: Get your eyesight checked and watch some Brandon Thorne videos.
January 27th, 2020 at 9:19 pm
Isaac haggins Says:
January 26th, 2020 at 2:38 pm
I would venture a Guess
I back Winston for the most part he definitely needs to do better with picks but bro u can start a comment with that👆and end with this👇
The numbers don’t lie !!!
I mean seriously
With that said he sometimes had all day n sometimes he didn’t get 2 seconds. Our biggest problem was running n run blocking. One sure fire way to cut into down is to not make ur qb throw 40-50+ times again n that’s not venturing a guess that’s just plan FACTS 💯