“Everybody Understands Bruce Needs To Own Some Of This”
January 28th, 2020
Ex-Bucs QB weighs in
Bucco Bruce Arians adores his coaching staff and it seems he wouldn’t change a thing about it.
Enter America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, and his radical issues with inconsistency. Jameis’ highs got higher under Arians and the NFL’s largest coaching staff, and the lows got lower.
Jameis arguably is the most inconsistent 70-game starter in the history of the National Football League.
So what next? A former Bucs quarterback and a longtime supporter of Jameis blessed one more season for Jameis or maybe just half a season.
Trent Dilfer was talking to the Tampa Bay Times at the Super Bowl and gave Jameis a backhanded endorsement for 2020, using the common who-you-gonna-get argument versus saying Jameis has earned a sixth season. He also said a strong backup and a quick hook might be a good plan for Jameis 2020.
Dilfer lauded Bucs QB coach Clyde Christensen and talked about how he understands that Arians’ offense isn’t easy to master.
But Dilfer implied that Jameis has had ample time, and Dilfer refreshingly put some blame on Arians, which is not a popular thing to do at One Buc Palace.
“”Everybody understands Bruce needs to own some of this,” Dilfer said.
Joe will say this. If Arians makes Jameis his 2020 starter and the Bucs don’t draft a QB, and Jameis doesn’t improve and the Bucs finish 7-9 again, Joe wouldn’t bet a nickel on Arians returning for 2021. Team Glazer didn’t hire Arians to fail at the QB position.
January 28th, 2020 at 4:38 pm
Everything was good until the last paragraph….when a Joe entered the realm of a ham an egger JBF poster
January 28th, 2020 at 4:43 pm
Well, consider this piece of history:
Only one coach since the Glazers bought the team has had consecutive losing seasons with the Bucs and survived. That same guy was the same guy who won the owner a Super Bowl. And he was fired after back-to-back nine-win seasons.
Don’t believe Joe? You can look it up.
January 28th, 2020 at 4:45 pm
“He also said a strong backup and a quick hook might be a good plan for Jameis 2020.”… that should have been the plan for 2019 but #3 was so mentaly fragile, he said he couldn’t handle that.
“Jameis doesn’t improve and the Bucs finish 7-9 again, Joe wouldn’t bet a nickel on Arians returning for 2021″… I think it would be mutual… BA would say “forget this crap,I’ll see ya”
If #3 stays,you need to draft or sign someone.
January 28th, 2020 at 4:51 pm
McKay had 3 consecutive losing seasons and survived. 7-37 record.
January 28th, 2020 at 4:52 pm
Arians came here because he wanted to coach Jameis. I guess that, and Licht and the Glazer boys influence, is what caused him to look away at all of the misadventures of Jameis last season.
If he lets it go to another 7-9 season and doesn’t bench Jameis at 1-3 or 2-5, something needs to be changed.
Maybe Jameis will get better, though I have yet to see any reason for it, but they still need to draft a QB. An accurate, game manager type. If they franchise Jameis and he gets his schnitzel together, he will be a hot property around the league. Maybe out drafted QB will make it easy to forget the huge price tag Jameis will want.
The other reason to draft a QB is because Gabbert should not be back. He was absolutely awful last preseason. What do you expect from the guy who was replaced by Blake Bortles.
January 28th, 2020 at 4:53 pm
Only one coach has had consecutive losing seasons with the Bucs and survived
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Love you Joe but John McKay
January 28th, 2020 at 5:01 pm
BA gave the o line, quarterback and running backs a mulligan. You dont go the lovie route and start dumping players you see what they do in your system.
Year 2 if you decide to stay status quo at those 3 position and basically hope for change then the losing is on him 100%. Unless one of the top 3 quarterbacks are there, tua, burrow and herbert are round 1 worthy just go d line and o line round one and 2. Sooo sucks you cant trust winston because this team can easily shore up its other weaknesses.
January 28th, 2020 at 5:13 pm
Ray Perkins had 4 straight losing seasons.
January 28th, 2020 at 5:16 pm
BA wants to win a Super Bowl before trading in his kangol for a pair of knickers. Bucs have a 2-year window to make the playoffs for right now … 2020 & 2021. That works for BA I’m sure. All he needs is to fix the OLine, fix the running game, fix the defense, and oh ya, find a QB who can manage his offense without playing Santa Claus in the process. Sounds daunting, but it’s quite doable IF Bucs’ management makes the right decisions.
But will they? History say ‘No way Jose’. However, history only tells you what happened YESTERDAY, not what WILL happen TOMORROW. Bucs have a solid foundation to work with, but we’ve got a LOT of holes to fill because of having so many UFAs to hopefully re-sign. We can do this.
January 28th, 2020 at 5:40 pm
Ray Perkins never worked for the Glazers.
January 28th, 2020 at 5:40 pm
Defense Rules. Good post.
On the surface all those team needs sound like too much to ask/hope for. But it’s actually not nearly as bad as it sounds because like you said a big part of the answer is resigning our own guys.
That is a great thing because there are no question marks in signing this players. We know exactly who they are and what they bring to the table…….We Don’t have to cross our fingers brining in outside guys for help. We avoid all the pitfalls with outside free agents like how they fit into the scheme or how they fit into the lockerroom(Djax) or what kind of attitude they bring(Swaggy).
This is a huge deal if you ask me.
Now the big one is QB. You gotta believe Arians knows what to do. Argue all day but there’s no denying Jameis has skills. If he’s not good enough for Arians to work with there are no shortage of QBs avialable on the market. Don’t rule a trade out of the question either……I’m sure by now Bruce knows who he wants. Will be interesting to see what we do.
January 28th, 2020 at 5:50 pm
Clyde Christensen nor Bruce Arians are whats wrong with Jamies, its Leftwich.
Arians is a playcaller, or maybe was and nothing more. I thought we were getting Bruce’s mind calling the plays, not Byrons
January 28th, 2020 at 5:55 pm
BA & Bowles have done a good job of at least moving in the right direction……Greatly improved run defense…….improved young secondary…..excellent pass blocking……Rojo starting to produce…..Godwin in slot….
We need to improve at QB…..and use or lose the TEs……
The only problem for a quick hook with Winston is the huge financial investment…..but I do agree, we need to draft a QB or bring in a young FA that can take Jameis’ place…..during or after this season if Jameis falters.
January 28th, 2020 at 6:02 pm
I’d love to listen in on a candid covo between Clyde and Tony about Jameis… LOL..
January 28th, 2020 at 6:16 pm
It’s all on Leftwich for 2020 since Arians has delegated play calling to him. Leftwich is even more pass happy than Arians and he totally likes to throw the ball downfield. If he doesn’t change his game planning to get his backs more involved in the passing game you are going to get the same deal you got in 2019. I actually thought what we saw in the first drive of the first preseason game was what we’d see during 2019. Never saw a drive like that again. My bad.
January 28th, 2020 at 6:27 pm
Arians had a bad year in terms of throwing the flag, handling timeouts, fourth down calls and other head-coach decisions.
Honestly, the team never recovered psychologically from the missed fg against the Giants, which was as much on Arians as it was on Gay.
January 28th, 2020 at 6:45 pm
While you are at the SB, Joe, why don’t you ask all the other NFL head coaches/ GM’s if any of them would take Jameis as their starter right now at $20 million + per year?
January 28th, 2020 at 6:54 pm
Karem. Hunt was not charged with anything after that traffic stop
January 28th, 2020 at 7:08 pm
Logical joe
Great article!
January 28th, 2020 at 7:33 pm
JimmyJack … It’ll be interesting to see what happens on Feb 25th, the first day to franchise tag & transition tag players. Gut feel is that what the Bucs do will ‘set the table’ for everything that follows.
Read an article this PM on where they project the Top-30 UFAs to go. Bucs had Jameis & Shaq among the 30. The author projected that Jameis would re-sign with the Bucs, but that Shaq would end up in Atlanta. I almost threw up (I have to stop reading).
Bucs have it in our power to keep Shaq with the franchise tag IF we need to (hopefully however we can get a long-term deal done that keeps him here for at least 4-5 years). That tag would be around $16 mil, probably less than Shaq could make on the open market. The problem with the franchise tag is that we have to use it (as early as Feb 25th but no-later-than Mar 10th), which is obviously a week BEFORE free agency officially starts on Mar 18th. Talk about a conundrum; who to franchise tag … Jameis or Shaq or neither? (Personally I’d go with Shaq, and although I don’t like the transition tag, we may not have any choice but to use that on Jameis … which is still overpaying in my book; anything over his current salary is overpaying). Then use the money we save on franchising Shaq to help make sure we can sign JPP, Suh & Nassib. Timing is everything.
January 28th, 2020 at 7:38 pm
So now it’s Arians fault that Jameis can’t protect the ball?
So now it’s the Wide Receivers fault, the other team for having good hands, Dirk Koetter for being mean, Fitzpatrick for playing better, Gator fans, the Water Boy, Doug Martin for not being great more than one season, the offensive line, the fans for expecting a #1 pick to play like a competent qb, the defense, Lovie Smith for being a moron, the media, Djax for not being 6’6”, Hurricane fans…
Man the excuse list is getting longer and longer
January 28th, 2020 at 7:55 pm
Sure he owns some of it…as does every coach Jameis has ever had since pee wee football. But Jameis owns most of it, either unintentionally because he can’t do better that to throw horrible passes at inopportune moments, or because he thinks he is ballin’ and everything is cool. Or maybe a little of both.
January 28th, 2020 at 8:04 pm
If we draft a 1st round QB, then JW3 is just a dead man walking.
January 28th, 2020 at 9:33 pm
Craig
Don’t be foolish. BA came for the Benjamins. He’d have coached Ryan Leaf.
January 28th, 2020 at 9:38 pm
I will never buy the who else you gonna get argument. Can he get you to the promise land? Yea or no? If the answer is no you don’t pay a lame duck 25 or 30 Mil to win several games and still fall short. You roll the dice. Saying that is like playing not to lose. Sometimes you gotta gamble and hope the next guy do the trixk even if the chips fall where you may not get that next guy
January 28th, 2020 at 9:52 pm
Its been an issue for two coaches to keep Jameis from being Jameis. When you commit multiple turnovers, The hook is the right right call. BA can’t have favorites. Kudo’s to Koetter for at least attempting to get the message to his careless QB. What kind of message did BA send when he told Jameis to keep on firing after multiple turnovers. That much and no backup he could trust is on BA.
Jameis has to own the rest of it.
January 28th, 2020 at 10:18 pm
Again I do not wish to pimp for Blaine Gabbert. He’s at best a mediocre journeyman. However some here believe a mediocre journeyman…can you say Trent Dilfer can lead this team to the playoffs.
Just to calm some of the negative hyperbole about Gabbert..NOT to crown him as next year’s starter..
Gabbert’s 2018 season with Tennessee. He started 3 games and went 2-1..uh limited for sure but a WINNING record on decent 9-7 team. His stat line was NOT horrid…he completed 61 of 101 60.4% 626 yards 4TD’s 4 Ints
His best year in San Francisco 63% over 2000 yards 10 TDs 7 ints.
Pretty unspectacular eh…He did have Henry in Tn…SF was in the wilderness at that time.
We do not know what BA thinks of Gabbert. He may be happy to have a “game Manager” at this point. I don’t think anybody sees Gabbert as the long term answer…but as a 8 year vet who doesn’t see himself as “the greatest” he could perhaps bridge for a year and mentor a young draft pick.
In BA I trust…he’ll figure this out. Just pointing out that contrary to the “Chicken Little” JW supporters…the sky is not falling..and it won’t fall if BA decides to cut bait with #3.
January 28th, 2020 at 10:50 pm
Hey Joe, why wasn’t Winston at the pro bowl??? Oh that’s right, he hasn’t been there since 2015. I guess the turnovers actually do matter to people with a brain. You’re literally going down with the ship when it comes to Jamoist. I bet it feels terrible to have pinned all your credibility on a total bust. He’ll never make it to the playoffs as a starter. Time to cut the driftwood. #NoPlayoffs
January 29th, 2020 at 7:09 am
Looking forward to next year.. Vegas odds will make the Winston hatters look like fools. Same coach, same QB. If Winston throws less interceptions, and wins one more game, the haters arguments will be negated. If the second year arians offense is more productive than the first year, the haters arguments will be negated. If the bucs dont resign Winston, and put their faith in a sub par rookie or broken down vet, and the bucs still cant win… yes, the winston haters arguments will be negated again. Fun fact, the best way to substantiate the haters, would be to resign Winston for a year. If he fails, and the team does worse, the bucs will possess a higher draft pick to replace him. Heck, there might also be someone better in free agency that is worth the 30mil price tag for 2021. Make everyone happy, give Winston one more opportunity to succeed, or fail. This isnt the year the bucs will find their golden boy QB. I’d roll the dice on 2020, looking forward to 2021.
January 29th, 2020 at 8:57 am
I gotta ask because I keep seeing his name come up as a top option in the draft, but why on Earth does ANYONE think Tua is still a good choice ? How long do any of you think that surgically repaired hip lasts in a league where defensive players are basically forced to tackle in the mid-section? He is not a big guy, and nowhere near as tough as someone like Russel Wilson.
As I’m sure you all remember, the injury that ended his season is what ended Bo Jackson’s career. Nevermind the fact his doctors said outright he should sit the entire 2020 season (whether it’s college or professional). So a team risks a high pick on a guy that absolutely shouldn’t play, and in the 2021 season may not be able to play either or does play and gets hurt again? As far as I’m concerned, any team that considers drafting him before the 4th round is taking a GIGANTIC risk.
January 29th, 2020 at 10:43 am
The Glazers make horrible decisions so yeah