Cam Newton And The Bucs
January 2nd, 2020
Dot connecting.
It seems one respected NFL columnist is not buying the multiple reports from NFL Network’s Ian Rapaport that the Bucs are keeping Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Therefore, the Bucs will be looking for a quarterback. And up the NFC South road in Charlotte, a quarterback much cheaper than Jameis with one year left on his pact may be on the trading block. That would be pouty Cam Newton.
Mike Tanier of Bleacher Report believes the Bucs’ need and the Panthers’ excess baggage is a perfect marriage and your starting quarterback for 2020 will no longer be Jameis but Newton.
It makes sense because: The Jameis Winston roller coaster is finally rolling to a stop. Bruce Arians is the most likely coach in all of football to “get” Newton and make the most of his talents.
It’s nonsense because: The Panthers won’t want to trade Newton within the division.
Trade bait and cap fit: The Bucs have cap flexibility to burn with more than $82 million in cap space on the books for 2020. They possess all their future picks.
Feasibility: High.
In fact, Tanier believes the best chance of Newton playing for another team next year lies with the Bucs.
Now Joe understands Jameis is a prism. What one person sees when he holds the prism up to the sunlight is something entirely different than what the other guy sees.
In Jameis, Joe sees one of the most talented quarterbacks in the NFL that if left to walk away, Team Glazer should have every employee at One Buc Palace drug-tested.
Others see Jameis as a modern day Norm Snead.
Given how Newton has played the past couple of years, there is no way Joe would make the trade and let Jameis walk. Joe isn’t entirely sure Newton can last a full season; he’s been so beat up.
And for the folks programmed to freak out about interceptions and run out the back door screaming in the dark of the night (take a gander at the top-20 career interceptions leaders and then try to make a case to Joe you wouldn’t have wanted most of them on the Bucs’ roster), brace yourself. Newton isn’t exactly a stranger to picks.
So let Joe get this straight: Folks want to toss Jameis overboard for his picks, and the Bucs want to get rid of a guy that will be 26 and rarely misses a start with an injury, and threw for 5,000 yards (a rare feat) and 33 touchdowns, yet the Bucs will replace him with an injury-prone quarterback on the wrong side of 30 who has missed 16 games the past two years with injuries, and who is also prone to interceptions?
What’s Joe missing here?
If this were 2015, yeah, Joe might make that deal. That was Newton’s high water mark, the peak of his career.
And here is something else to factor: Newton always had a solid run game to help him out in Carolina. Since his rookie season, Jameis has been playing with glorified AAF running backs.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:02 am
NEVER.
Whether you are a Jameis fan or not…. one thing you can not deny is that JW is extremely passionate about the game & his teammates… and he gives you absolutely everything he has got on every single play.
Does Cam? Has he ever?
Do you think Jameis might have dove into that pile in the Super Bowl to recover that fumble?
YES.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:14 am
Speaking as a person who is ready for a new QB: Id rather have Jameis than Cam by a mile. If we ever got Cam I’d put a moratorium on my Buc fandom. I wouldn’t go find another team or leave, I’d just take a break and not participate in the duties of a fan. Then I’d resume my fan duties after he left. I’ve invested too much time and energy hating him to just throw it all away now. š
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:19 am
I don’t think Cam is the guy….If anything Andy Dalton, who is almost a clone of Carson Palmer in the stats department.
If this team ever wants to be a regular playoff contender, they are going to have to make bold decisions. The Titans sit in the playoffs….WHY? Because they were willing to admit they cant win with Mariota and instead went with Tannehil who nobody thought much of yet he post the 7th highest passer rating in NFL history. The Titans are in the playoffs because Tannehill is effective. The Cardinals swung and missed with Rosen so they come right back and get Murray who looks to be a much better prospect.
I like to believe Arians knows what is and isn’t going to be effective, much of it seems to rely on keeping the defense together. The other part is plugging in someone half way competent at QB who simply wont give away points and field position. I trust Arians will hitch his wagon to the right horse….We’ll see who he goes with but whomever we pick, we need to start drafting another QB because at this point if we aren’t committed to the guy we have, then its time to start the process of upgrading through the draft.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:21 am
Maybe if it was Cam 3-4 years ago. But hell naw to the naw naw naw…
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:23 am
ClodHopper….that’s how I (and I am certainly not alone) am with America’s Grop….errrr, Quarterback.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:26 am
I’m with Joe on this one. Also:
ā¢ No to Teddy Bridgewater
ā¢ No to Andy Dalton
Interestingly, people scoffed at the thought of bringing in Bridgewater even as a backup last year.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:26 am
Not Cam. Hate on Winston all you want but at this point in their careers, Winston is far better than Newton. If Cam had been asked to do what Jameis was doing, he would’ve thrown for half as many yards, just as many picks, but played in the same number of games.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:26 am
Yeah sure, the Panthers would trade Cam to a division rival…. WTF are you smoking dude.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:30 am
Nope……and, I absolutely despise Cammy…..
I’d more like go to Rivers…..Manning……as bridges for a younger QB….
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:31 am
At this pt, newton is the most overrated player on the NFL.
Please God don’t let this happen.
Well it won’t. Whoever said this does not know what he’s talking about.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:35 am
I think what makes the most sense is tag Jameis and draft a rookie. Trade up to get one if you have to.
You cant rely on Jameis to lead this team to the playoffs at this point, so you cant pay him $30+ million a year. However, you cant count on a rookie either so you cant just let him walk.
I said before the season that best case scenario for the Bucs in 2019 was Jameis being good enough to earn a contract by leading the team to the playoffs, or bad enough to know that you cant bring him back while being in position to draft the next guy (high pick)
Now here we are in the middle of those 2 things kinda stuck. Worst case scenario…
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:36 am
Bored columnist
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:40 am
The best thing the Bucs could do is draft a QB, bring back Gabbert to start, and Griffen, he knows the system. The money you’d save not paying Jameis would go a long way to keeping the D together. I like the idea of going after Tyson Hill as a Jameis replacement, he’d be real exciting. Anyone but Jameis.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:44 am
Newton for Winston would just be rinse and repeat. BA needs a young QB that he can cultivate his offensive philosophy. Newton has some issues obviously.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:46 am
I have been on the fence about Winston for sure BUT I would choose Winston over Cam any day of the week.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:46 am
I dont know if cam is white enough bucs fans wont want him either
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:48 am
Ever see āThe Officeā scene where Michael Scott realizes Toby has returned… Please God no. Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:53 am
herbert looked like the real deal yesterday…
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:57 am
One man’s Trash
Is another man’s treasure
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:58 am
Newton is not even worth a response.
JW has earned a short term contract and serious competition at camp. Even the most ardent supporter realizes we need a strong back up plan for potential injury and perhaps unacceptable play.
In BA I Trust!
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:59 am
Sorry
But I would love to have teddy bridgewater here
……….my problem with bridgewater is that he’s fragile like Mariotta
Both those two just can’t see to stay healthy and stay on the field for one full season
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:01 am
Joe – i have said this before and will say it again. arians will ultimately decide what is best for this franchise. i dont think newton is it and i dont want him. but to say employees will need to be drug tested if they let jameis go is ridiculous.
end of the day – whatever arians decides i am on board with. no offense, but he knows way more about football and quarterback play than you and i. same with leftwich and the coaching staff. i support whatever the team does but if they do release him, dont go crazy because arians will know if this guy is capable of winning a championship. can we stop bringing up the interceptions from other players too? look at turnover differential and those teams who give the ball away dont win playoff games, let alone regular season games.
we play to win the game right? this team needs to focus on building a team. not just trying to pander to one player.
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:01 am
Hell no to Cam.
However, Transgender Cam may just fit the Glazer dream team that includes:
A Gay kicker
Chick coaches
And a male cheerleader
Fire them rainbows!!!!
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:02 am
Actually at this point in his career, the smartest thing the Panthers could do is trade Cam within the division. It would be like selling your old jalopy with a knocking motor to your ex’s new beau. You get some compensation and your rival gets your old headache. I guess two old headaches in my imperfect analogy.š
BTW Speaking of the stinking Panthers. I hope they hire Freddie Kitchens.
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:10 am
This is silly. Cam will not be in Tampa. Mike Tanier is just throwing crap at a wall.
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:24 am
Absurd on many levels, #1 being Newton is forever broken as an athlete.
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:35 am
From what I read in the comments, finally, everyone agrees on something…..
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:35 am
I’m certainly not against replacing Winston with someone provably better. That said, if you think Cam is clearly better, at this stage of his career, then you should get your head (and eyes) examined.
Sure, the old Cam who took the league by storm and ran through people whenever needed and could zip passes with perhaps the strongest arm in the league (which helped mask a lot of his deficiencies as a natural passer), but not this shell of himself who also doesn’t have the same passion for the game.
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:36 am
“Interceptions lose football games.” – Bill Polian
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:42 am
It’s because those people didn’t want Jay-Miss looking over his shoulder like he had to last year with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Speaking of which, Ryan Fitzpatrick arguably had a better year.
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:42 am
No way to Cam!!! Stay away from him Please…
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:45 am
I love creative thinking, but the idea of Cam in Tampa is where I draw the line.
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:48 am
100% agree that Winston needs to go. But Cam? Not seeing it.
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:50 am
@Tanier … “The Bucs have cap flexibility to burn with more than $82 million in cap space on the books for 2020.”
Mike Tanier lost all of his credibility right there. ANYONE who believes that the Bucs have “cap flexibility to burn” for 2020 doesn’t have a clue regarding how many players at critical positions we NEED to sign and/or re-sign to have a winning 2020 roster.
January 2nd, 2020 at 9:50 am
Joe you freaking hard head … jameis loses games … he is not a winner on this level , San Fran , New York, Seattle, Atlanta, Carolina, Tennessee , Texans … 7 games he lost us … 7 games we should have won … thatās a difference 14-2 … your a freaking moron joe … get the terd out of your brain and quit being a little…
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:00 am
I’d take Gradkowski over JW …he that bad dawg!
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:03 am
Deez days nails it!!!
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:08 am
DoooshLaRue Says
“Hell no to Cam.
However, Transgender Cam may just fit the Glazer dream team that includes:
A Gay kicker
Chick coaches
And a male cheerleader
Fire them rainbows!!!!”
Wow. Way to reveal yourself as a total bigot.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:14 am
To me, the options would be:
ā¢ Franchise Winston, draft a early-to-mid round QB and sign a decent veteran.
ā¢ IF Winston is willing to sign a team friendly deal, then do it.
ā¢ Let Winston go after signing a proven veteran QB…like Eli Manning or some such player (Franchise Winston until the other QB is signed).
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:15 am
Cam in his prime…maybe…certainly NOT now.
In addition…some posters point out JW’s damage to our attendance.
JW does at least get goodwill from his supporters who are fans of yardage and TD’s and not as concerned with picks and losses.
Cam gets NONE of that. He would come to us “pre-hated”. His post game SB interview and general demeanor would not be welcome in Tampa especially AFTER JW.
I’m tired of the circus…Cam is just more of the same….regardless of how much he has left in the tank.
My choices in order…Luck…yeah that’s dreaming based solely on the hope of his BA connection.
OK back to reality…Rivers would fit our offense…Dalton is competent…build a solid team around either of these guys and you have a winner.
BTW…posters here have gone as far as suggesting that a draft pick automatically means new coaches…and FIVE YEARS.
I call BS. I take too long already so I’ll just use two examples from this year.
Denver sucks…finally inserts their rookie 2nd round draft pick after he comes off injured reserve and Drew Lock blows up.
Rookies CAN AND SUCCEED at QB more frequently than people here seem to wish to acknowledge.
No rookie..how about a retread example…Ryan Tannehill takes over the Mariota and the Titans make the playoffs.
Love JW or hate him…one thing is CERTAIN…he is NOT irreplaceable!
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:16 am
I am frustrated with Winston’s lack of consistency but firmly believe we should bring him back for one more year to see how he progresses in Year 2 of Arians offense.
@Joe/Anyone – I wonder why we wouldn’t use the Transition Tag on Winston vs Franchise Tag? Lots of speculation on the ‘market’ for Winston…..if you use the transition tag…..wouldn’t the Bucs be able to let the market determine his value and then decide his contract/salary based on what the market says vs 27M set on the the Franchise? If someone offers him a large, multi-year deal then at least they know what the market says he is worth and can make a choice based on that. If they choose NOT to match we get two 1st round picks right? So, worst case….we have plenty of draft capital to go pick up a good QB prospect in the draft and you sign a guy like Bridgewater or Mariota maybe as a bridge? What’s the error in my logic here?
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:18 am
No way! Cam is broken down and didnāt win as much as he could have with a darn good defense in Carolina for years. Wasted by Cam.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:18 am
I think Cam is another Andrew Luck waiting to happen, to be honest.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:22 am
And, btw, Rappaport’s earlier claim that Winston was asking for $30+ million per year was already proven untrue, as it was revealed a week laters that no negotiations had taken place.
Even he said no negotiations took place. So how could Winston ‘ask’ without talking to them?
I think if he wants to stay, he’ll want to keep the defense together.
I would be more open to losing Winston if…
…there was a really good veteran option out there, much like Brees was available in 2006 (which I screamed to sign him but people around here felt he was ‘washed up’).
Currently, the ONLY guy like that is Eli Manning, but he is much older than Brees was. Bridgewater does not qualify. Neither does Dalton.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:25 am
I can’t believe how dumb that comment was Deez but how smart you really think you are.
Irony.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:26 am
This is beyond moronic. Sometimes I wonder how much these people watch nfc south games. Game newton has been absolutely terrible and chronically hurt the last couple years. The guy is on his way out. Who in their right mind would swap jameis for newton right now? Newton would likely be a worse option than teddy bridgewater.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:28 am
Give Jameis a 3 year deal. Get an experienced backup. If they flame out next year sell your soul for Trevor Lawrence.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:35 am
I think Cam’s injuries make him much less of a player. As for Jameis, With his struggles with ball protection, and gambling style of play, I don’t have the confidence that Jameis will be able to match the intensity needed to win playoff games. Playoff games are faster and more intense than regular season . He has had three or four games a year where the game has got out of control in the regular season alone.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:35 am
I’d rather just take any QB in this draft than that. If we do take a QB I could see it being Eason R2
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:36 am
“Morgus the Magnificent Says:
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:23 am
ClodHopperā¦.thatās how I (and I am certainly not alone) am with Americaās Gropā¦.errrr, Quarterback”
Which part? The part about investing to much time and energy into hating him just to throw it all away?
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:42 am
ā¢ Keep 3 QBs this year
ā¢ Re-sign Winston to a 5 year, $100 million deal
2 years guaranteed, incentive-based
ā¢ Find a proven veteran. One that can be a great backup, but also a very good potential starter
ā¢ Draft an early to mid round QB to develop.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:45 am
“Interceptions don’t matter”
SEVEN pick 6’s this year.
In the “Wagering with Ira” posts, how often were the Bucs favored by more than 7 points?
Yet, Jameis gifted opponents with a free TD……… SEVEN times this year!
Not even counting the numerous short fields resulting in additional points.
Nine losses this year……. a free TD in SEVEN games.
tickrdr
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:46 am
That picture of him says it all, much like McCoy and VHIII, always posing for the lens. We need more hard nosed ballers on this team like our D is becoming and our receiving core exhibited all year. I’ll trust Arians with the QB situation however it plays out as long as it’s not this clown.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:47 am
For you folks that Jameis gone here’s what you get. Be careful what you ask for???š
Next it will the great Andy Dalton who was benched for Ryan Finley thus year.
BTW if they let Jameis go so be it, BUT if they bring in Cam Newton I am immediately calling my ticket rep and cancelling my tickets cause I will not paid to see that guy on my team, won’t do it.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:53 am
I have posted the below several times and I find it funny none of the “Jameis lost four games for us crowd” ever seems to respond to it. I wonder why?
If the defense did anything in the Giants game, Seahawks game or the first Saints game we win 10 games with nothing being different at all with the TOs from Jameis or anybody else. Throw on this last game with 3 missed FGs, again with changing nothing about to TOs, we have 11 wins. So when these people say we canāt win with Jameis it is flat out a lie. As proven by these points above if we simply had an average defense all season and a kicker that can make kicks we would be in the playoffs right now. And that is still with this being the first year in the offense and basically no running game, which should improve even if a little next year. There is nothing above that can be refuted yet some will try but it is factual.
Interesting to see how the CLUELESS run an hide when they are presented with FACTS they don’t like.
11 wins folks, 11 wins.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:53 am
No on Newton, Rivers or Bridgewater. All poor fits for this offense.
I could be convinced on Dalton or a rookie.
I’d really prefer someone else than Winston.
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:59 am
I can’t believe Joe that you are now cool with all the interceptions, not saying I want Cam, but the fact that we (as fans) should be complacent with mediocrity at the QB position is ridiculous.
I call it mediocrity because NO ONE, not even the all knowing Joes, know what we are going to get on a given play from Jameis; brilliance? stupidity? safe play?
Joe do you really think any team would trust Jameis enough to pay $20 million? Listening to sports radio the other day they went through a list of teams who are QB needy and I don’t see a single team that would fork over half of their available cap for him.
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:11 am
Am not. But Joe believes the positives of Jameis far outweigh the negatives, which can still possibly be corrected.
Jameis’ negatives may be coached out of him. His positives, you cannot teach. So Joe isn’t exactly eager to run him off ***unless*** you find a quarterback of equal or better value. Not too many of those guys panhandling for work.
But Joe doesn’t think interceptions are as evil as many pound the drum about (again, see the picks the QBs threw in the link above). If interceptions were the cause of the Ebola virus as some try to make you believe, teams would never throw the ball and go full-blown Woody Hayes as a result.
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:11 am
He threw 7 pick-6’s….he threw 24 Int’s inside our 50 yard line….he threw 24 Int’s in 8 home games(that’s an average of 3 per home game for the mathematically challenged Winston supporters)….
If you arent running out the back door screaming in the dark of night about possibly having to live through another season of that then you are the lunatic. How many weeks in a row did he throw a pick on the first possession of the game, and on more than a couple occasions on his first pass attempt? It’s the definition of insanity.
…and the list of top 20 career interception leaders….? The difference is those guy won games, that’s why they were afforded the opportunity to play for 15 or 20 years….and most of those on that list played 20 years ago or longer. Different rules and different times. They may as well have played on a different planet.
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:13 am
Non-Exclusive franchise tag – Jameis Winston
ā¢ Let Jameis & His Team Find Him a Deal
ā¢ Trade Him (w/Cameron Brate?) Before Free Agency Begins
ā¢ Sign Veteran QB at $20M per year (Example: Philip Rivers)
ā¢ Use The Extra Draft Compensation To Draft Rookie QB (Example: Jacob Eason)
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:20 am
I was joking Petey…. lighten up Snowflake!
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:33 am
@LUVMYBUCS
I would love having Philip Rivers if he were just 3 years younger. At least we would get a few years out of him. At this point, every year would mean potential retirement.
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:35 am
No way they donāt need that cancer
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:35 am
Joe – thank you for the response, the game was different in the era that the list is mainly populated by, as numerous commentators have stated the defensive backs have been “neutered by rule changes” (there words not mine) and can’t be nearly as physical. This is a passing league with rules geared towards protecting offensive players to maximize points, the average INT’s by team this season was 12.8, to be fair I will round up to 13 to keep it an even number
If you break it down by the teams who were the top 10 in passes attempted (Bucs are 4th) it’s an average of 17 INT’s for the season.
How about by sacks given up (since it implies pressure and rushed throws) Bucs were 11th in sacks taken and the top 10 teams in that category averaged only its 13.9 INT’s.
There are many ways to try and rationalize it but no matter what its just unacceptable and not a recipe for a successful season.
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:37 am
NDog, IFS are not facts,they are conjecture. Per NFL stats if Jameis didn’t have an average Qb rating of 67.5 in the fourth quarter and 63.3 in the fourth when behind by 7 points we might have won more games also.
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:38 am
Joe your Winston takes are pathetic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet no Take on Devin White !!!!!!!!!!! A stud that played like a #1 draft pick !Unlike your loser A$$ Winston!!!!! WFLA (Ch 8) poll more than 78% of BUC FANS want the Bucs to cut Winston !!!!!!
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:41 am
Winston’s turnovers = 117 points for the other teams !!!
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:44 am
Arians likes Bridgewater. If he can be gotten that will be our QB next year.
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:46 am
Cam is most likely the lesser of the two evils but he is a shell of the player he once was… Making that monumental mistake in the Super Bowl, not fighting for his fumble, has left him a broken and disheveled player…I would take Dalton over these two options…
I am intrigued by the idea of the Raiders moving on from Carr and Arians seeing if he is the QB maker he says he is… Then again the same with Lions and Stafford… If Arians is the QB maker some praise him to be, can he make Mariota highly successful and add him to his collection of and on his resume… Or Jacoby Brissett, Nick Files, Gardner Minchew, Joe Flacco…
The season is over and so is Arians 1st year with the Bucs… JW will now be a blemish in Arians resume and if he has to coach JW next season and fail again, that will ruin his credibility… For that reason, I see Arians wanting a better option going into next season!
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:46 am
Jameis is not good. He is fool’s gold. Football Outsiders DVOA (excellent advanced metric) ranked him:
2017 – 12th
2018 – 15th (below Fitzpatrick)
2019 – 25th
He is getting worse instead of better! Stop referring to his “talent”, there are plenty of guys who can throw the ball well. He will always be an inefficient, inconsistent, turnover machine. GET OVER IT JOE
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:47 am
But Joe believes ā¦ā¦. Wait for the dumb a$$ Defense of the Indefensible !!!
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:50 am
OMG! No! to Cam Newton–if this is what it is lets get Jameis in a contract in a hurry. Cam Newton is so inaccurate–ask Kelvin Benjamin–remember the tirade he went on about how Cam Newton is an awful quarterback. Newton cant run anymore and is a statue now, he is not team friendly either–has multiple surgeries at the last minute thereby assuring he will not ever be ready for training camp. Jameis on the tag, Jacob Eason round two–do both.
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:57 am
Cant even wait a week to get I to the silly season. Last season I saw some of the worst ideas ever from writers and two days into the new year here we go. I’ll forever have the image of cam going turtle in the superbowl and if he is the option I’m sure BA will take a chance with the known than the unknown. Not even the cam of 3-4 years ago I would want.
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:59 am
Cam is a piece of sh1t. King of the douchebags.
January 2nd, 2020 at 11:59 am
Again just like Andrew Luck if you think Newton at his age and with his injuries is an upgrades you need your brain evaluated
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:00 pm
Cam is a pile of dung. King of les sacs de douche.
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:01 pm
GetOverIt Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:
Cam is a turd. Also, a washed up d00sh.
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:02 pm
NDog, IFS are not facts,they are conjecture. Per NFL stats if Jameis didnāt have an average Qb rating of 67.5 in the fourth quarter and 63.3 in the fourth when behind by 7 points we might have won more games also.
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Ndog doesnt agree with anything that sheds Winston in a negative light. Its never Winston’s fault. Thats his motto. It doesnt matter that you can take his same tired defensive excuse and say the exact same thing about Winston’s Ints. He doesnt care. He says people run and hide from HIS facts but then he runs and hides himself when facts are presented to him about Winston. Gotta love those who speak out of both sides of their mouth.
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:03 pm
As far as Cam goes…. I want Winston gone as much as anybody but we can not be stupid about it. Cam just gets a flat out no.
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:04 pm
Don’t buy that one bit. Still playing on the same-sized field with the same number of players.
Football in the past was populated by older, much conservative coaches who absolutely despised turnovers of any sort so why/how did they put up with that many? Production on the flip side, that’s why.
Brett Favre played in the same era as Jameis (same decade, only five years apart).
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:20 pm
Cam is dunzo.
He hasn’t been the same since Broncos beat him to a pulp in the Super Bowl.
No thank you.
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:39 pm
I can’t get too excited about Cam Newton as a viable option. If I were Jason Licht, I would pursue either Phillip Rivers or Eli Manning as a starter, consider kicking the tires on Colin Kaepernick to see if he has any long-term potential, and draft a QB anywhere from round 2 to round 4 to develop for the future. It’s clear that neither Burce Arians nor Dirk Koetter have had any confidence that Ryan Griffin is a viable starter in this league.
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:46 pm
Newton is damaged goods. His arm strength & accuracy are huge question marks at this point. No chance I’d sign him and the Bucs should be thinking alike.
January 2nd, 2020 at 12:58 pm
ā Joe see one of the most talented QBās ……ā please please … you are sounding like Tom Jones calling for Josh Freeman to get the big payoff , Scott Reynolds picking the Eagles to defeat the Bucs 2003 NFC conf. Championship ……pretty soon you will turn out most of your clientele with your futile refusal to acknowledge what turn over production does to this team . You are not going to make people doubt their own eyes and senses .
January 2nd, 2020 at 1:12 pm
Hell no. Enough said.
January 2nd, 2020 at 1:13 pm
NPUPPY!!! I present FACTS to you daily and you never respond!!!
Niners, saints(2) and Texans games all lost due to Winston. Titans game he fumbles and has an int within his own 20 yard line. Iām sure thereās more but I refuse to break down any more numbers on Winston or you for that matter any longer.
Once again, yes, the defense and kicker lost games for us but so did wisnton. Do we really need to get into how many points came off of Winston turnovers?…. cough cough 121 points. Or that in 1/4 of his games, he threw for 3 or more ints in that game.
I broke down every game of his turnovers and wrote them down. Theyāre written down in my notes of my phone but itās messy.
DO YOU WANT THE BREAKDOWNS, NPUPPY? I can copy and paste them for you if youād like.
January 2nd, 2020 at 1:13 pm
Joe Jameis can not diagnose and read a defense… point blank period. JS Teddy Bridgewater2020
January 2nd, 2020 at 1:15 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Part of me would LOVE to see this happen, as it would make the JW haters realize just how good they have when they not only see Cam refusing to do what Arians asks him to do, turn the ball over a ton himself in a vertical passing attack he is NOT suited for, but then also pout and whine and blame his coaches and teammates when he’s behind the podium, unlike JW who calls his line awesome after getting sacked 7 times, and says his receivers are great in games after balls bounce of them and get picked, and says his coach is a genius (as he did for Koetter) after the coach calls a terrible game.
Jameis bacjers have no idea how good they have it. Tons of media all around the NFL think Jameis is the most fun QB to watch in the entire NFL, have been calling for the Bucs to get as many nationally televised games as they can, etc …. Jameis truly is the most interesting man in the NFL and the new Brett Favre (who has compared Jameis to HIMSELF)!
Cam can come in, tick Godwin & Evans off, throw for 3,850 yards. 26 TDs and 15 INTs and lead the #18 ranked scoring offense to a 5-11 record and the act like a chump in interviews … while Jameis can be like
January 2nd, 2020 at 1:15 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
January 2nd, 2020 at 1:21 pm
Cam = A bad fit for Arians’ offense and a guy who will pout, whine and be a diva behind the podium … YUCK
Carr = A guy Arians would despise by week 2, as he QUITS in games and on his teammates … he is the guy who THREW IT AWAY on a 4th and goal in a game where the Raiders needed a TD desperately … YUCK
Bridgewater = the worst fit for Arians offense as he has a noodle arm and is an injury waiting to happen … YUCK
Dalton = YUCK, just YUCK
Mariota = HAHAHAHA … even the Bears said “H NO” as everyone thought he’d get signed there to compete with Trubiksy as his old OC is the Bears OC … and the Bears just FIRED that OC as they have no desire to Watch Mariotaa throw 2 yard screen passes in Chicago
Brady / Rivers = Ready for the retirement home
Tua/Burrow/Herbt = all long gone by Tampa’s pick
Jacob Eason / Jordan Love = okay fits for Arians’ offense but both super raw and not ready to start in the NFL and would never beat out Jameis for the spot
JAMEIS WINSTON WILL GET PAID $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
January 2nd, 2020 at 1:25 pm
Stop!
..as long as Licht stays, Jameis stays
January 2nd, 2020 at 1:43 pm
Hell to the NO this guy has been hit in the head to many times. I would take Phillip Rivers over Cam. Although my first choice would be for Arians to pull some magic and get Andrew Luck out of retirement.
January 2nd, 2020 at 2:11 pm
Two certainties are Newton WILL start for a Contending NFL team in 2020..you know those pesky Steelers ,Broncos and Chargers always jamming up my TV screen with their fancy āPrimetime and Postseasonā appearances …They donāt have the patience to give a ācant missā like Jamarcus Winston 6-12 years to ā work out the kinksā
If JW is the Drop dead end all best ever no contest HOF bound why is no one calling for a 7-10 year lifetime deal ???just one year ??cmon have a lil confidence ..he says heās working on it ? (The 30 over blown lil whoopsies)
Newton would have a RB here because Steve Deberg would t get into this situation with out one either .You know yer boy Ozzie wants whatās BEST FOR BUCS ..I donāt Want to discuss this next year I want to be LOADING PALLETS OF BEER AND COLD CUTS INTO THE OZZIE DONE FOR OUR FIRST PLAYOFF GAME SINCE METHUSELAH WASIN GRADE SCHOOL
Oh And the DOOSH GUY IS A KNUCKLE DRAGGING TROLL
January 2nd, 2020 at 2:18 pm
Oh and I have zero interest in Andy Dalton but he HAD 50 wins first 5 seasons
Jameis Leaf has Lil over half …just saying
Stay tuned for an Ozzie Rant on JBF shortly on how pissed I was and why …Sonething allways grinding my gears
January 2nd, 2020 at 2:21 pm
Pissed about my GAMEDAY at the Outback Bowl yesterday ..hereās a hint had nothing to do with the Awesome Game unreal weather Hottie college chicks and MILFS or miles …keep an eye out for it
January 2nd, 2020 at 2:41 pm
Agreed. DVOA cuts through the bullspit of evaluating players on yards and TD passes thrown. Iāve brought this up in the past but remember that seemingly awesome year Blake Bortles had in 2015 when he throw 35 TD passes and 4400+ yards (He also led the NFL in 2015 with a whopping 18 INTs)? People thought he was going to have a big year the following year and a great career. However, his DVOA told a different story. It was quite low, much like Jameisā is. Bortlesā career ended up exactly the way the DVOA and DYAR models predicted. In short, Bortles is not very good and neither is Jameis. When your advanced metrics stats in 2019 are below QBs like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kyler Murray, and Gardner Minshew you know there are problems. But Joe is like yards, YARDS, YaRdSsSsS!!!!
The Football Outsiders metrics arenāt perfect but they cut through the BS of evaluating on yards and TDs alone. Their metrics show what I have been saying all along is that over the course of his career Jameis Winston is a below average, inefficient QB.
January 2nd, 2020 at 2:44 pm
I would gladly take Cam Newton over Winstunned any day of the week. You know what guys, if you ventured outside of the Buccaneers fan base and checked out what the other 31 fan bases think, they’d all far rather have Newton than Winstunned.
That should speak volumes but of course since Winstunned is Tampa’s quarterback I guess we’re just trying to support our players which is nice and all but he’ll just continue to disappoint us all with another missed playoff season in 2020 and finish under .500 yet again.
January 2nd, 2020 at 2:50 pm
But like the Bucs they’ll continue with him until they all get fired.
Who cares about the fanbase
January 2nd, 2020 at 3:14 pm
Get newton to back up Winston in case of injury. Never know what could happen before next season or in season. I think heās a back up now capable of winning several games if needed to be called upon or if Winston melts down like he has several times a season pull him an insert Newton but thatās a luxury
January 2nd, 2020 at 4:34 pm
Oh hell No! Are you all forgetting how much of a whiny baby this guy is and pre-Madonna. heās had a couple of good seasons are you kidding me! if they pick this guy it would really be hard to be a fan of the Bucs, please donāt
January 2nd, 2020 at 5:05 pm
Least favorite player in the league. Dude is a clown. Please God no.
January 2nd, 2020 at 5:18 pm
How 1994ās pass-friendly rule changes saved a moribund league and created the modern NFL. https://slate.com/culture/2014/09/1994-nfl-rules-how-a-series-of-pass-friendly-changes-saved-a-moribund-league-and-created-the-modern-nfl.html
January 2nd, 2020 at 5:21 pm
Same drama, different label. I am pretty close to sure that Jameis will be back for at least a year. I don’t like the idea, but…
The Bucs will also snatch a QB in the second to third round, hopefully after grabbing Delpit in the first.
The rest of the draft I have to hope Licht nails it.
The only reason Jameis will not be back will be if he doesn’t agree to the terms the Bucs offer. I think his leash will be shortened considerably and if he doesn’t like he can walk away.
January 2nd, 2020 at 5:45 pm
HE!! NO!!!!!
January 2nd, 2020 at 6:13 pm
Joe- that link is irrelevant to todayās game.
Receivers used to get mauled by secondary and QBās used to get mauled by linemen.
It is like comparing NBA pre-3 point rule and todayās NBA.
Jameis will continue to turn it over, that is who he is because he thinks he can play like his Freshman year at FSU when that teamās talent was vastly superior to competition.
NFL secondary is too good for the chances he takes.
Now you could say, coach him up, but heās had 5 years- Iām sure his coaches have tried- not likely to change and it is unfortunate, but I and most posters here are tired of Losing for the sake of wishful thinking.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:03 pm
BA loves Winston, Winston will be Our starting QB next year. Just STOP the nonsense now………
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:19 pm
This is more agent chatter leaking thru media. Nothing to see here.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:35 pm
Lol
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:41 pm
Jameis and His Flaws > Cam Newton and His Fancy Hats
And it isn’t even close.
January 2nd, 2020 at 8:52 pm
no cam
no teddy
no Dalton
Keep Jamies at the value(or let him walk to another team willing to pay him an inflated price) Fix the team, draft a hidden gem in the 3-5th round like a russlell wilson
January 2nd, 2020 at 10:40 pm
Oh he|| no! Cam Newton is a diva in a skirt. No thanks. The dude couldn’t pounce on a ball in the Super Bowl. The dude will not lay it on the line.
January 3rd, 2020 at 2:37 am
This Tanier dude is as dumb as a box of rocks. There’s no way in hell that the Panthers would trade Cam within the division. Besides, he is old and broken. I don’t think that Jameis will ever improve but he gives us a better chance to win than washed up Cam.
January 3rd, 2020 at 7:08 am
Great article Joe! I love how you pissed on the Jameis haters, by suggesting to bring in a playoff caliber quarterback. It amuses me, because Winston is suddenly not the worst option. But keeping in line with the article. Cam wouldn’t survive behind our offensive line. We’d lose cam in the first couple games, then be left with blaine grabber for the other 14 games of the season. Cam doesn’t have many sacks left in him… and winston can take a few hundred more, break half the fingers on his throwing hand…… then break some more records. Winston breaks records while broken… Cam sits on the sideline.
January 3rd, 2020 at 8:35 am
Iād be sitting out the Newton years. Zero interest in watching this guy.