Baseball, Jameis & Quarterbacking
January 30th, 2020
A fourth-round pick of the Kansas City Royals years ago, Hall of Fame QB Dan Marino made a good choice to avoid being a professional third baseman.
Marino shocked the NFL world in 1984, when as a second-year QB he threw for over 5,000 yards (48 TDs, 17 interceptions) in an era when 5,000 yards in a season was unheard of. He was the first to do it and the second didn’t come until Drew Brees in 2008.
Joe brings up Marino because he was talking on CBS Sports Radio this week about that 5,000-yard season and how he was proud that the yardage wasn’t empty.
Those 14-2 Dolphins threw to win games and close them out, Marino said. Yes, they were an average running team (17th in attempts and 16th in total yards) but there was no star in the backfield. That’s not the combination experienced by Jameis Winston in 2019.
This season, Jameis became the eighth QB in NFL history to hit the 5,000-yard mark in a season.
Marino talked about the benefits of growing up playing baseball at a high level. That helps a quarterback in how you “use your body from different angles, use your arm in different ways in sync with your body,” he said.
Jameis, like Chiefs Super Bowl QB Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson, has a history as an elite baseball player. He, too, was drafted, in Round 15 by the Texas Rangers in 2012, and he played at Florida State University.
Joe can’t ignore Jameis’ ridiculous turnover ratio, but Joe still has to think the Bucs coaching staff can get a lot more out of Jameis (perhaps playing more to his ability to succeed out of the pocket). Jameis has the talent, including the baseball pedigree that certainly has some value.
Ironically, Jameis was a major relief-pitcher prospect at Florida State University, and those guys are programmed not to be rattled by mistakes.
Does Jameis have it in him to improve his decision-making? That might just be the only real question facing Bucco Bruce Arians.
January 30th, 2020 at 12:01 pm
Man I duno. He has so many horrible picks where he just stares a guy down and the LB or CB undercuts it. It’s typically on short passes where it’s like his brain knows he shouldn’t throw the pass but he just does it anyway.
Maybe hammering the sh1t out of VR training with those specific things worked on? Is it really the new system causing him to be that off with his underneath reads?
I really don’t know.
My hope is that if Winston stays he is willing to bet on himself with an incentive performance based contract. If he and his agent are posturing as if the Bucs owe him a massive deal, then I probably move on for the sake of him being that delusional about his own performance & need to improve. It was very concerning when he said “check the stats” or whatever to prop himself up, because I don’t want my QB giving a sh1t about any stats other than winning.
That seemed to be his mantra coming into the season but then after the year ends he brings up stats almost like he knows he sh1t the bed.
Give me Tom Brady (not happening), Winston on a cap friendly incentive laden deal, or cut the chord and target a guy in the draft and build an elite defense/ run game around the rookie. We’ve seen rookie QB’s go immediately to the playoffs when they go to teams with elite D’s…
January 30th, 2020 at 12:04 pm
One has to want to learn and position themselves to be reachable…
In JW on statement he reveals his presences of mind that he is ‘ballin’…
He is proud of how he is playing and doesn’t seem to want anyone to take any credit for his ‘success’… That is an uncoachable player…
When someone thinks they are doing well, hey naturally feel as though ‘I’ve got this’ and whether consciously or unconsciously ignore any correction…
January 30th, 2020 at 12:09 pm
70 starts
We’ve seen who he is
Gonna be hard to imagine him changing his poor decision making going into year 6
January 30th, 2020 at 12:11 pm
When are we going to start acknowledging that this isn’t the same era as it was five or even ten years ago. Sure 5,000 is a great number and offenses have gotten a bit more pass happy, but there are no John Lynch’s allowed anymore. People didn’t hit those numbers because someone would get maimed. Now you can’t touch receivers or the QB. This is the equivalent of the steroid era in baseball. I don’t know what the number is, but a 400 yard game seems like a 300 yard game a decade ago
January 30th, 2020 at 12:13 pm
This is stupid…the light isn’t just suddenly going to come on. He got worse at the end of the year. Outside of one mini run against garbage teams…he stunk. Yeah yeah…5000 yards…no one cares but you Winston knob gobblers. It’s not about yardage. It’s about situational awareness and winning. Winston has neither. HE SUCKS. Oh, and he just threw another pick 6! Oops.
January 30th, 2020 at 12:15 pm
So to put that in perspective, if it’s easier to hit 400, and average 300, knock a 1000 yards off and now how good is jameis compared to the greats? But you surely shouldn’t be comparing him to Marino on simple yards alone in a different game altogether. That stinks so bad you shouldn’t even need the eye test to know that’s some bs
January 30th, 2020 at 12:17 pm
I have been the TB12-2TB drum beater here for a bit. With the talent we have that the patriots don’t and BA and his love for old good qbs. Make it so!!!! Bring back the fans! Save him & Gisele the state income tax!
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tampa-bay-buccaneers-looked-as-sleeping-giant-for-tom-brady-in-2020-as-free-agency-looms/
January 30th, 2020 at 12:19 pm
Don’t think it is the only question…but do think it is the biggest question. And if he can’t improve his decision making, he will never be good enough to lead us to the promised land… unless you know of a Steeler defense of the ’74 -76toBradshaw era, or a Bucs defense of the 1999 to 2001 era lying around.
January 30th, 2020 at 12:34 pm
Bucs need a reliever for Jameis 🙂
January 30th, 2020 at 12:38 pm
Come on Bruce… you know we ’52’s know the score.
January 30th, 2020 at 12:41 pm
Just keep firing
January 30th, 2020 at 12:47 pm
JWs 5k was certainly “EMPTY YARDS”….
no playoffs
7wins
30ints
but yeah…lets “keep firing”….lol….
GO BUCS!!!!!!
January 30th, 2020 at 12:51 pm
If Winston became a pro baseball pitcher he would lead the MLB in strikeout, batters hit by pitch and home runs allowed.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:01 pm
Sadly, the only hope us bucs fans have is to get a top 2 pick next year, Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields
January 30th, 2020 at 1:01 pm
813bucboi
7 wins is impressive considering how bad the defense was for much of the season.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:13 pm
Hey Joes — let’s not overlook Jameis stellar record in the red zone in 2019.
I think he threw 10 TDs to only 1 pick. They also ran for a buttload of touchdowns in the red zone. It would be interesting for you to ask Arians or Christiansen or Leftwich to explain Jameis turnover very low turnover ratio in the red zone versus elsewhere — also while you’re at it, why did the running game suddenly get good in the toughest place on the field to run?
January 30th, 2020 at 1:14 pm
And Tbb..it could be said that not winning more as the season progressed was inexcusable, considering how well the D was progressing and playing the second half of the season.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:14 pm
@Tye
That is very well stated. I’ve wondered about his eyesight, ability to see the field, read defenses, his small hands by NFL standards and those wobbly passes but at the end of the day I agree with you. JW has enough talent.
JW has a great work ethic, incredible heart, he plays through pain and injuries.
So I have hope BA could perhaps help JW learn to read D’s etc…physical and mental skills.
My biggest fear is that JW is like an alcoholic. Sometimes they get the “cure” sometimes they don’t. Sometimes it takes “several” tries…sometimes a life changing epiphany..an event or health scare that causes sobriety.
I thought 2019 was supposed to be our year to find out whether JW could stop being the guy drunk on his own ability. Feeling he was Superman. I had high hopes that 2018’s humiliation would be the “sobering” epiphany that JW needed and that he would learn from his embarrassment of the suspension..Fitz playing lights out those first three games…getting benched by Koetter…my hopes were dashed however.
Can JW finally get the “cure” this year. Or will he be the sad story of many alcoholics who just can’t get past the demons.
I’m the eternal optimist. So if we keep him I think…well he did conquer drinking issues off the field…perhaps he can get past my metaphorical alcoholism on the field. Time will tell…whether here as a Buc or somewhere else.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:18 pm
Tye- you must not watch the Press Conferences of Jameis. The dude is always humble. always accepting responsibility and saying he needs to get better.
He said one boastful thing when he was asked about his interceptions after his last game under contract after throwing a pick 6 to end the season. I’m sure there was a very large number of things on that mans mind during that Press Conference, and as a looming FA, he has the obligation to stand up for himself and protect his brand. That’s just smart on his end.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:25 pm
Mark
The Bucs still went 5-3 the 2d half of the season and 2 of those losses were without the Bucs top 2 receiver weapons and Jameis was playing with scraps. Not to mention Matt Gay, Cam Brate and OJ Howard pooped the bed.
The other loss was giving up 34 to Teddy Bridgewater.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:26 pm
Yall obsession over JW is out of control. Yall think about JW all day long but calls others “nuthuggers”
I dont know who has more haters: Trump or JW?
January 30th, 2020 at 1:28 pm
tbbucs
mark2001 Says:
January 30th, 2020 at 1:14 pm
And Tbb..it could be said that not winning more as the season progressed was inexcusable, considering how well the D was progressing and playing the second half of the season.
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BINGO!!!!!!!
he threw more INTs the second half of the year when the defense was playing its best ball……
but we know we know…
its never ever JWs fault…..its the o-line, defense, play calling,wind, run game, wrong routes, gator fans, dirk, lovie, smitty, etc….
GO BUCS!!!!!!!
January 30th, 2020 at 1:28 pm
34 to Drew Brees**
Retire please.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:31 pm
Just watch. Breshad Perriman without Jameis will fall right back into irrelevancy.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:31 pm
tbbucs
he threw 24INTs before ME13 and CG12 were out….
in those 2 losses he threw 6INTs in 2games…..
we couldve/shouldve went 7-1 with the way the defense was playing IF we had 2INTs in 2games vs 6….
GO BUCS!!!!!!
January 30th, 2020 at 1:37 pm
perriman was a 1st round bust before he came to tampa….lol….
and he’ll be that if he leaves….lol….
other teams were counting on him to be a #1WR or at worst a#2….ravens let him walk after years of trying to be the #1 or #2 after they brought in old steve smith……a.calloway was getting more reps than perriman…browns dumped him and went after odell….
he succeed this year because he was the 3rd or 4th option….which led to a 3rd CB or S covering him….
GO BUCS!!!!!
January 30th, 2020 at 1:39 pm
813 I must of forgot that in the world of anti Jameis fans number of interceptions is the single most important thing to being a great quarterback.
Forget moving the ball consistently, scoring points, leadership, and touchdowns you know all of the things that Jameis does well.
I’m sure you guys would love Mitchel Trubisky he is VERY good at not throwing interceptions.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:39 pm
Alaskan I rarely listen to press conferences. It’s all camera talk and minced words to me. I take no stock in 99% of what’s said in press conferences. From both players and coaches……That said I have heard sound bites from Winston’s last presser over and over and over and over again on local radio. They play it every day.
Rarely do you ever hear any other sound bites from the other pressers. Certainly not weeks later. The guts in the morning play and Mick his “check your sheet” quote endlessly. No lie they have used that line multiple times per hour every hour of every show everyday since Winston said it. Tomorrow morning they will use it again over and over again…….So sorry but your wrong. It was defientally not smart for him to say that.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:40 pm
Typos**
January 30th, 2020 at 1:42 pm
It’s not his arm Joe.
It’s what’s between his ears…. or lack there of.
January 30th, 2020 at 1:48 pm
What if Perriman ends up in Green Bay? I think he’ll be fine.
Or Seattle? I bet Wilson will make good use of him.
A lot depends on circumstances. Hopefully Perriman is smart and I doesn’t just go to the highest bidder. That makes get cost him more in the long run.
January 30th, 2020 at 2:40 pm
The Rays are always in the market for relief pitchers. Their market may not be able to survive if they Jameis’ name on the marquee, though
January 30th, 2020 at 2:48 pm
813- when Perriman was our number 1 WR is when he had his best weeks. You can’t say he was guarded by 2s and 3s. Jameis gave that man opportunity balls and he brought them all down.
Perriman is just another warm body that Jameis got paid, add to Hump, Brate, and Shep. Now if he can stop getting DBs paid this will no longer be a debate that he is ballin.
Winston has shown he can make others around him better, he threw for over 4,000 yards and had 9 wins with his leadin receiver being Evans (a given), Brate, Hump, and Shep. He has shown he can elevate his WRs. The whole “weapons for Winston” thing started because we thought the defense was gonna be solid with good ol Mike Smith.
It turns out the weapon Jameis needed was a solid team around him, not a super offense. I don’t believe that is a normal or successful way to build a team. Kind of like when Schiano thought he could build the defense from the back end.
January 30th, 2020 at 3:00 pm
Mahomes played shortstop, that’s the difference
January 30th, 2020 at 3:27 pm
I don’t even want him pitching for the Rsys. The Yankees or Red Sox can have him.
January 30th, 2020 at 3:56 pm
See that picture of Jameis? That’s his problem, he looks the same throwing a football! That’s why he takes sacks. That’s how defenders have time to read where he’s going with the ball. Slow wind up, and delivery.
January 30th, 2020 at 4:09 pm
Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:
January 30th, 2020 at 2:48 pm
813- when Perriman was our number 1 WR is when he had his best weeks.
that was for 2weeks…..lol….
what about being a #1 WR for a 16game season?…..
hump had to battle bobo, dontea dye, reedy….lol…competition wasnt great at all for the #3wr position….1 of the main reasons why hump got reps was because he was consistent…..he had great hands, knew the play book and ran great routes…..
but it is what it is lol….
perriman will get another 1year 4-5mil deal….hopefully from us….
GO BUCS!!!!!
January 30th, 2020 at 4:15 pm
JJ
Agree about Perriman in Seattle. Not only Wilson but IMO Lockett is very underrated and so Perriman would not need to be the straw that stirs the drink.
January 30th, 2020 at 4:19 pm
Simple answer is, yes…JW3 can get better.
If the Bucs find a run game & a little better pocket protection….Look out.
January 30th, 2020 at 4:38 pm
What the hell, 48 TDs and 17 INTs for Marino in an era that was much harder to play in for QBs. I don’t go looking into historical stats for players or teams I don’t really follow but that’s a sick stat line.
Of all the QBs in the 5000+ yard club, Jay-Miss had (by far) the worst season out of all of them.
January 30th, 2020 at 5:16 pm
So….what exactly were his stats as an elite pitcher?
January 30th, 2020 at 8:44 pm
I can’t tell you how excited I will be if when/if we can get a chance to never speak of this clown again. Much like GMC, the welcome has been out worn. I was so hoping this guy was the answer, but he’s just not.
I looked past his personal demons before the draft and after for the first couple years, but the Uber groping, subsequent lies, and the 30/30 season have put me over the edge.
I have absolutely no interest in seeing what might be, regardless of whether he can get better or not. If he finds a new home somewhere else and is successful, so be it. I just don’t want to see him suit up for this team again. The bridge for me is burnt.
January 31st, 2020 at 12:34 am
Remember when Doug Williams was run out of the Big Sombrero, only to see the magic he later created to become a historic SB MVP for WAS??
How about when the FO picked Steve Deberg over Steve Young…& the QB that wasn’t good enough for TB, was a multiple time SB champ & HOF in SF?
How about when fans telling Dilfer to not let the door hit him where is momma split him..Only to see him win a SB on the Bucs field, as a Raven, the very next season…. Ouch! That still hurts.
Thank 8lbs 6oz baby Jesus that a couple yrs later Chucky showed up and had a Experienced QB that someone else gave up on…& won the only SB in franchise history.
I’m really not looking forward to watching JW3 come back to haunt the Bucs in the next yr or 2, if he’s allowed to walk….Let’s face it… TB is historical a BAD organization. Regardless of ownership…The beach, the strip clubs, the off field distractions that only FLA can offer…Guys don’t get cold & stay at home when they ain’t in the facility. (Distractions). There I said it.
Maybe it’s time to let a kid-grow into a man & see what the hell we have on the back side… I’m tired of watching the Bucs draft & develop QB’s, before giving up on products that they undervalued.
Does this mean signing him to long-term deal?? No. You Tag him at min. 9Team is built to win now – not draft&develop)…But I would try to lock him into 4yrs, if I could get a minimal discount by today’s market value..($26-28M)…The new CBA going to take QB salaries into the $40’s by the time it’s all said & done.