What Kind Of QB Is Jameis?
December 19th, 2019
Researched.
Joe tries to keep an open mind about the PFF tribe and some of their silly analysis (which includes their irresponsible “grades,” particularly of offensive linemen). So this time Joe must doff his cap in appreciation.
Former minor league pitcher and one of the high priests of the tribe, Steve Palazzolo, did a deep dive on trying to project what kind of quarterback the Bucs have in Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston. It’s pretty thoughtful and pretty thorough, and pretty fair and most importantly, isn’t drowned in made-up stats and other numerical gibberish.
Basically what Palazzolo came down to in his study is, we don’t know what kind of quarterback Jameis is or can be because the dude is so unique.
“Volatile” is the best word Palazzolo could come up with. And that’s fair.
On the low-end Jameis was compared with frightening quarterbacks such as Jay Cutler, Matt Barkley, Jared Goff and Nick Foles (before you start puking, remember Cutler got the Bears to an NFC title game, Goff got the Rams to a Super Bowl and Foles won a Super Bowl).
On the high end for Jameis, is Eli Manning, Andrew Luck and pouty Cam Newton.
Palazzolo also pointed out a team could just tread water with Jameis much like the Lions do with Matt Stafford.
Another point Joe appreciated was Palazzolo pointing out that if you want to ride Jameis’ horse, you better have a competent defense.
What has Joe been saying for years? No quarterback could win with the Bucs’ pass defense the past few years and look what is happening before our very eyes once the Bucs started to shore up the secondary? Victories are now stacking up. Imagine that?
Anyway, if you happen to be distracted by the holidays and want a reason to get your mind off work, this PFF tribe article is a good, informative read.
The conclusion? Something Joe has tried to tell Uncle Ira for months: Unless you find a quarterback better than Jameis, the team is insane if they let this guy walk away.
Yes, the PFF tribe apparently can do good work like this if they put their minds to it.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:03 pm
Enigmatic
December 19th, 2019 at 1:08 pm
Brady didn’t have the best WR’s the majority of his career, he made Wr’s better with his brain and arm. Great QB’s make the players around them better. I think Jameis will be fine Sunday, I’m more concerned with Wr confusion on routes and timing. If Jameis has a huge day without his 1,2 and #4 WR’s he has cemented his contract.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:14 pm
random but anyone read walterfootball mocks? I think the writer hates Jason Licht lol. They consistently mock him for not taking players they wanted the Bucs to take
“The Buccaneers could draft a quarterback, but that would require general manager Jason Licht to admit that he was wrong about Jameis Winston. Licht believes he’s right about everything,”
I mean jeez. licht has made some bonhead moves but the guy has cut / moved on from high round picks like VHIII / Aguayo / Spence / ASJ… He’s admitted he’s been wrong.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:15 pm
I’ll tell you what kind of Quarterback Jameis is……He is Braveheart……he is a Gladiator…..he is “Rome’s Quarterback”
December 19th, 2019 at 1:20 pm
I was getting concerned that we wouldn’t get any more Jameis’ articles today, but you came through Joe. Whew, avoided another opportunity to write about someone else on the Bucs’ TEAM. Close call but good save.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:31 pm
@Dewey Tom is the goat, no doubt, but there is something to be said about their system. Literally every qb that has played in that Billicheck system, has suceeded.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:33 pm
Joe…sometimes you go a bridge too far. He didn’t say that no QB could win with our D. He said a QB of Jameis’s caliber couldn’t. And I agree with the later. And we certainly need a better D. But to say no QB could…a bridge too far.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:38 pm
He is the polarizing QB. There isn’t a whole lot of middle ground with him. Those that love him or hate him use the same lines.
I am close to the hate side because you won’t know what he is until it is over. You don’t know if it will be the high side or low side that shows up. He overcomes three interception and breaks 400 yards. How do you say that is good?
Most of his career he has been able to pile up yards between the twenties, but has trouble in the red zone. Some of that is our excuse for a run game, but he also throws a lot of his interception in the red zone.
Maybe history will be kinder to him than those he drives to drink.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:40 pm
At almost a 1 to 1 ratio with Tds. and Ints. (not to mention other turnovers). IMO we better have the best scoring defense if they plan on getting a relevant season for any playoff aspirations. No, not a hater just a realist.
Go Bucs
December 19th, 2019 at 1:43 pm
Brady also had the best coach in NFL history with top 10 scoring defenses year after year Dewey. But yes if Jameis balls out this Saturday, the critics should be pretty well silenced.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:49 pm
is there a link to the article? or do we have to pay?
December 19th, 2019 at 1:49 pm
horrible, until the season is over.
case closed, evidence overwhelming.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:50 pm
“IMO we better have the best scoring defense if they plan on getting a relevant season for any playoff aspirations. No, not a hater just a realist.”
We just need an average scoring defense. Jameis has a winning record the only season we did that (9-7) and that was with just Evans/Brate/Humphries as his weapons.
If we held opponents to 22 points or less every game in 2019 (would rank 16th best), we’d be 11-3 right now.
The top scoring defense gives up 12.9 points per game. We’d probably be a 1-2 loss team if our defense was that elite.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:50 pm
@What Kind Of QB Is Jameis?
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That kind that kills your fan base, that kind that discourages his team mates.
Having him on your team, is like playing with fire.
BA = LovieS 2.0
December 19th, 2019 at 2:10 pm
Crabbyfan that means Payton should have been hated by people as well his first 5 years. He had more turnovers than Jamies his first 5 years. But Jamies suck and Payton was great his first 5 years. I know what ever body love to say about Payton is you can tell he was going to be great. The only difference is the national media loved him and they hate Jamies. But Payton is white and Jamies is black.
December 19th, 2019 at 2:11 pm
I am not a JW hater nor lover…..I think we should keep him , not because we will win a SB,not because he is great, but because today we cannot replace him, that´s th ONLY reason. He is entretaining but you will not go very far….He is volatile…..
I would try to sign him for 2 years, of course he will say no…..But the truth is that the Brees, Mahomes Brady Rodgers play for other teams, an the best option today is JW….saddly
December 19th, 2019 at 2:13 pm
very average…backup quality
December 19th, 2019 at 2:14 pm
Jw is a top 5 qb. That’s what he is.
December 19th, 2019 at 2:22 pm
I believe the great Dirk was holding JW back.
Afraid to throw the ball under Dirk. He is making a ton of great throws down the field since he has been unleashed by Bruce.
Turnovers are gonna happen do the risks he takes. Defense has got to improve to limit the damage.
No risk it no biscuit. Embrace it.
December 19th, 2019 at 2:28 pm
Video shows Jameis listed as #1 or #2 at all major QB stat lines
Video shows Jameis listed as #1 for most INTs
People disguised as Buc’s fans: Winston is very average. Backup quality. Draft an unknown QB who is obviously better (see non existent NFL stats).
QB that is killing the fan base??? Have you been to a game in person the past five seasons? #3 is probably the most purchased and worn jersey at the home games! By all types of people!
No football knowledge. No fan knowledge. No team knowledge.
It’s a Buc’s life!
December 19th, 2019 at 2:28 pm
Let’s see how he does this week against a semi competitive team.
December 19th, 2019 at 2:29 pm
No very likely, but if Jameis were to somehow throw for the same yardage in the last two games as the prior two he would end up with 5487 yards, which would break the NFL record for a single season.
Then we can go get Dalton.
December 19th, 2019 at 2:30 pm
@Lord C … “The top scoring defense gives up 12.9 points per game. We’d probably be a 1-2 loss team if our defense was that elite.”
Joe’s one-sided arguments are getting to you it sounds like LC. Patriots have the top-ranked defense & spend $79 mil for it ($12 mil less expensive than the Vikings most costly defense). Bucs spent $59 mil for our defense this year, a whopping $20 mil LESS than the Patriots.
The $20 mil is roughly equivalent to the Bucs very expensive offense (#2 most costly) being without Mike Evans ($13.6mil), Perriman ($4.0 mil) and OJ Howard ($3.0 mil). Point being … it’s REALLY TOUGH to have it all. If we want even an average defense, that means that the Bucs’ offense probably won’t get to eat as well next year.
December 19th, 2019 at 2:36 pm
where’s all the endorsements if he’s sooooo good. heck, even guys who can’t get a job get nike deals.
he’s a buufoon
December 19th, 2019 at 2:45 pm
Jameis will improve on turnovers with more time. He can takes us to the promise land. The defense has played well enough. As long has we have a good defense that doesn’t give blown coverages and big plays we should be fine.
December 19th, 2019 at 2:50 pm
@Craig- You may want to rethink the comment that JW throws a lot of int’s in the red zone. It’s the direct opposite.
December 19th, 2019 at 3:30 pm
No one knows who he is still…
He’s not elite, never will be
He’s not awful either
No one knows which Jameis will show up until the game starts even then we don’t
December 19th, 2019 at 3:38 pm
JW is slightly above average…..
GO BUCS!!!!!!
December 19th, 2019 at 3:45 pm
“Joe’s one-sided arguments are getting to you it sounds like LC. Patriots have the top-ranked defense & spend $79 mil for it ($12 mil less expensive than the Vikings most costly defense). Bucs spent $59 mil for our defense this year, a whopping $20 mil LESS than the Patriots.”
I’m not making any argument about resource allocations…
Simply saying that we don’t NEED the #1 scoring defense to be relevant. We just need an average one. We haven’t even had that for most of 2019 and still are 7-7.
But if we want to talk resource allocation, then I would easily trade a few skill players and offensive resources for having an elite defense.
We went 9-7 with Mike Evans / Adam Humphries / Freddy Martino / Cam Brate – with just an AVERAGE defense / bad run game / bad special teams.
We are a SB contender that year if we had the equivalent of the Pats #1 ranked defense.
Defense wins championships. Defense >>>> skill position players.
December 19th, 2019 at 3:58 pm
He is who he is: Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde. He’s a coin flip: Good Jameis vs. Bad Jameis. He’s consistently inconsistent.
AND he is these things until he isn’t.
December 19th, 2019 at 3:59 pm
Bad Jameis = Bad Favre
Good Jameis = Good Favre
Jameis = Favre
If Favre played in the age of social media, he’s have been viewed the same way Jameis is
December 19th, 2019 at 4:12 pm
Lord Corn,
Defense alone doesn’t win championships. The Bears, Bucs Seahawks and Ravens all had the best defense in the league for more than a season yet the best they could do is win one apiece. Chicago had the best defense last year and in the playoffs were 1 and done.
If a team is going to contend for the superbowl victory you gotta have it all.
Offense, defense and special teams. If you have to rate the priority of which is more important, it’s offense. The reason is that the odds of a defense shutting down an offense is less than an offense being shut down by a defense. Of course there’s individual exceptions to this but I’m talking
About looking at a decade of playoff teams results and seeing where the preponderance of the data indicates.
You’ve said it multiple times, give this team an average defense and the team is a contender. If you believe it’s defense wins championships , you shouldn’t believe that an average defense is all the team requires to contend. It’s counterintuitive at best. I don’t disagree with you on that point , in fact I agree wholeheartedly. But I’m not the one saying defense wins championships.
Bottom line is the best chances to win consistently is when the offense and defense are both very good. The teams that have a big disparity between the two units and have won a superbowl are the one and done variety.
December 19th, 2019 at 4:17 pm
If Favre played in the age of social media, he’s have been viewed the same way Jameis is….
Hey, remember when Favre, married by the way, sent a limp noodle picture to a married massage therapist employed by the Jets?
Remember how Deadspin posted the screenshots of Favre’s actual peen?
Remember how Brett Favre then went on to continue to be a national spokesperson for CopperFit (with Jerry Rice!) and Wrangler Jeans?
What could ever be so different between Winston and Favre? One can only wonder…..
December 19th, 2019 at 4:29 pm
@D1
Not saying Defense alone wins championships. Also not saying that an average defense = auto SB contender. I’m just saying we’re a relevant winning competitive team with an average defense + Jameis Winston. At least historically based on the last 5 years that is the case.
And looking at the last 10-20 years of results, we can definitely say a few things
1. No team got to and won a SB with a bad defense
2. A few teams actually won SB’s with bad offenses, because of their elite defenses
That’s why I’m saying “defense wins championships” because historically we have seen defenses single handidly carry a broken Peyton Manning, medicore Eli Manning / Joe Flacco / Brad Johnson, a even Trent Dilfer – lord of suck – to championships despite bad or mediocre at best offenses.
On the other hand, we’ve seen Drew Brees go 3 years with a losing record in a row despite having great passing/scoring statistics, because his defense sucks.
The most consistent winning formula is elite defense + elite offense of course – but give me the defense if I have to choose 1 that correlates to more winning.
December 19th, 2019 at 5:13 pm
If he the number 1 in passing yards means he is the number 1 qb duh
December 19th, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Onealbucs,
“The only difference is the national media loved him and they hate Jamies. But Payton is white and Jamies is black.”
I have no clue where you extrapolated this sentiment out of my comment. I am in NO WAY talking about race regarding my comment and will not accept you trying to twist what I say to fuel your rant.
I can tell you though that I would not even mind having a Shaun King type of QB with the highest scoring defense than a QB that gives away points to the opponent at an alarming rate.
Oh, by the way Shaun King is not white.
Go Bucs
December 19th, 2019 at 6:12 pm
Lord Corn,
Ok, I see where youre coming from. And thanks for clarifying.
The Ravens, Bears, Hawks and Bucs teams which were the #1 defensive teams at the time of their superbowl wins, I’m thinking had a bigger disparity between their defense and offense ranking than say teams with the number 1 offense.
Off the top of your head can you recall a superbowl winning team with that type of disparity but from the offensive side?
December 19th, 2019 at 6:19 pm
Craig and them:…FAMOUS is the starting QB of the Tampa BUCS …pro-bowler…leading the league in several offensive categories…and his brain is located just above his #3 stuffed in his helmet…i put that in there because some of you think TOM is the only QB with a brain…..NEWSFLASH…watch FAMOUS this weekend without two of the better wide outs in the league…he will do it BIG! ALL I know is when the haters think they have the upper hand …JW3 will show why they call him FAMOUS!! Let’s see can he be like TOM with this no-name group of wide outs!! FAMOUS…drop backpacker…gunslinger..scrambler…fearless leader…deserving of a multi-year deal!!! And worked with some of the leagues worst OC’s in his first four years !!! KEEP SHINGING WINSTON!!
December 19th, 2019 at 6:24 pm
Shine FAMOUS do it BIGGLY…just don’t get impeached!!
December 19th, 2019 at 6:33 pm
Not letting Jameis go until we find a better replacement is a sound plan only if you are not giving him a Jared Goff type of a contract. Franchise tag, cheap short term deal is cool to see if he can finally, consistently, keep his head out of his a$$. Carson Palmer played a hell of a lot better in his second year in Arian’s system, so there is hope for Jameis. I don’t take anything for granted anymore concerning Jameis turning a corner and I think the chances of it happening are slim to none, so we’ll see. I hope he does it, because he is borderline unstoppable when he is on and I (as well as all fans) have invested a f ton of time and emotion on this dude.
December 19th, 2019 at 6:37 pm
You are what your record says you are
28-40 .412 winning percentage
But he can be better
December 19th, 2019 at 6:40 pm
It amazes me the same Clueless people keep showing up to say the same Clueless things.
December 19th, 2019 at 6:41 pm
“Off the top of your head can you recall a superbowl winning team with that type of disparity but from the offensive side?”
I think it’d have to have been the Falcons the year they lost to the Patriots because I remember thinking it’d be one of the only SB winners to not have had a top 10 ranked scoring defense.
Their D was ranked poorly but I’m not even sure that’s a good example because their defense was playing great in the playoffs when it mattered and late in the regular season. Similar to the Bucs this year they were just really bad the first 1/2 of the year which threw off their stats. And similar to the Giants SB run – their defense was elite in the playoffs and late in the season.
Usually if it’s an elite offense vs elite defensive based team the defense wins in the playoffs.
In particular the Broncos smashdown by the Seahawks in the SB, or the Pats beating the Chiefs last year. It just seems high octane offenses without defenses always struggle in the playoffs. The refs call the games looser and with less ticky tack calls which may be why
December 19th, 2019 at 6:42 pm
Oh and Carolina when they lost to the Broncos. basically opposite story of the Broncos SB loss. Hobbled Peyton Manning + elite defense >>> record breaking Peyton Manning + non-elite D
December 19th, 2019 at 6:58 pm
He is like the team in general. Its very hard to be a Bucs fan as its very hard to be a Jameis fan. He makes you crazy but you just keep coming back.
December 19th, 2019 at 7:10 pm
Favre 2.0. Favre was always lousy when he had a bad D and no running game. Six 4000 yard seasons. But also six 20 int seasons. Five seasons of 80 or less rating. Give him a D and watch him win.
December 19th, 2019 at 7:23 pm
If the Bucs choose to sign Jameis to a long term contract they better be convinced he’s a difference maker who elevates the play of his teammates. Teams saddled with big $ long term contracts on “franchise” QBs have to thread the needle with the salary cap and if that QB isn’t a difference maker the losses will pile up while the team lacks ample resources to fill needs. If he’s just another QB then the Bucs will be doomed for the length of that contract. On the flip side if they’re convinced he isn’t consistent enough to lead his team from start to finish they’re better off drafting a QB or rolling with a cheap free agent and use the cash to fill holes and fortify lines. I can’t envision the Bucs hitching their ship to Jameis long term; although he’ll get one more chance to prove himself worthy in 2020. He’s earned that.
December 19th, 2019 at 7:36 pm
Gilhealy: This season Jameis has thrown interceptions with 4.3% of his red zone throws. To give that context, he has thrown touchdowns on 5.4% of those red zone throws.
December 19th, 2019 at 7:36 pm
Lord Corn,
For the last 20 years teams first or second in scoring defense (’08 Steelers, ’10 Packers, ’13 Seahawks, ’16 Patriots). Even within these years of a dominant defensive team winning the title, the Super Bowl has sometimes turned into an offensive shootout as in 2003 between the Patriots and Panthers (32-29), 2010 between the Packers and Steelers (31-25) or 2016 with the Patriots and Seahawks (34-28). In spite of the Eagles and Patriots both finishing in the top five on defense in the 2017 season, they played a memorable 41-33 offensive shoutout in a Super Bowl where defense mattered only a little.
During the last 20 years, the opposite of the defensive mantra has also happened. Teams with great offenses but mediocre defenses have come out on ahead, such as the 2006 Colts (second offense, 23rd defense) or the 2008 Saints (first offense, 20th defense). There have also been a couple of weird years where the Giants and Ravens won without being better than 10th in either offense or defense.
The high scoring 2018 season certainly falls outside of the “defense wins championship” boundaries both in the regular season and in the playoffs. The four teams heading into the AFC and NFC Championship games (Chiefs, Rams, Saints, Patriots) rank 1 through 4 in scoring offense. Only the Patriots rank in the top 10 in defense at No. 4. The Saints are at 14 while the Rams and Chiefs are at 20 and 24.
The mantra this season is more akin to “defense gets you into the playoffs but no farther.” Among the teams ousted from the players so far, the Bears ranked first in defense, the Ravens second, Texans fifth, Cowboys sixth, Chargers eighth and Seahawks 11th while none of their offenses cracked the top 10 other than the Chargers (eighth). In the divisional round, in three of the four games, the winner scored more than 30 points, so that maybe the mantra needs to be adjusted to “offense matters a lot in the NFL.”
December 19th, 2019 at 7:47 pm
Lord Corn
. Since 2003, four Super Bowl winners have finished either first or second in scoring defense (’08 Steelers, ’10 Packers, ’13 Seahawks, ’16 Patriots). Even within these years of a dominant defensive team winning the title, the Super Bowl has sometimes turned into an offensive shootout as in 2003 between the Patriots and Panthers (32-29), 2010 between the Packers and Steelers (31-25) or 2016 with the Patriots and Seahawks (34-28).
In spite of the Eagles and Patriots both finishing in the top five on defense in the 2017 season, they played a memorable 41-33 offensive shoutout in a Super Bowl where defense mattered only a little.
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You mentioned something I hadn’t really considered that much which was regular season vs post season. Got me thinking .
I just c&p and thought you may find interesting.
December 19th, 2019 at 8:29 pm
Oneilbucs Says:
December 19th, 2019 at 2:10 pm
Crabbyfan that means Payton should have been hated by people as well his first 5 years. He had more turnovers than Jamies his first 5 years. But Jamies suck and Payton was great his first 5 years. I know what ever body love to say about Payton is you can tell he was going to be great. The only difference is the national media loved him and they hate Jamies. But Payton is white and Jameis……….. is black.
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Spoken like a true R acist! Jameis gave America SEVERAL reasons to dislike him Regardless of Race you tool. Rape allegations, vandalism, public profanity in college. Then when he got into the NFL he rewarded the public with More Sexual assault allegations. WTF is wrong with people of color pulling the race card without looking at the facts. SMDH
December 19th, 2019 at 9:10 pm
Lord C … “Defense wins championships.” We agree 100% on that one LC. Although even I admit that it takes some semblance of BALANCE to pull it all together.
I tend to favor defense somewhat because a top defense can really help an offense via takeaways (Pick-6’s and short fields). Remember how good the Jaguars did in 2017 with its’ great defense (#2) & Blake Bortles as their QB? Their offense ended up with a #5 ranking with a totally BALANCED ATTACK (527 rushes and 527 passing attempts). Bortles was nothing exceptional (60% passing, 21 TDs vs 13 INTs) but the rushing did contribute 18 TDs. The driving factor IMO was the Jags’ DEFENSE … 16 INTs & 33 takeaways total. Their 55 sacks, 105 QB Hits & 81 PDs probably helped too.
A top offense can help a defense IF it jumps out to early leads (forcing opponents to play catch-up & often become one-dimensional) but that’s often an iffy proposition. Their most usual contribution I think is the ability to come back late in games if the team falls behind. Plus a good offense’s ability to play COMPLIMENTARY FOOTBALL is critical IMO.
December 19th, 2019 at 9:12 pm
We will see this week what kind of QB Jamies is…. let’s see if he can put the team on his back without 2 pro bowl receivers on the field with him. He wins this week with back up receivers he gets his contract for sure!
December 19th, 2019 at 9:35 pm
Crabbyfan that means Payton should have been hated by people as well his first 5 years. He had more turnovers than Jamies his first 5 years. But Jamies suck and Payton was great his first 5 years. I know what ever body love to say about Payton is you can tell he was going to be great. The only difference is the national media loved him and they hate Jamies. But Payton is white and Jameis……….. is black.
Spoken like a true r a c i s t! Jameis gave America Many reasons to hate him despite his color. R a p e Allegations, Vandalism, Public profanity in college coupled with More Sexual assault allegations once he finally got his shot in the NFL. SMDH at people of color pulling the race card without looking at the whole picture.
December 19th, 2019 at 9:54 pm
Look we all agree there are too many turnovers, but those other stats are pretty amazing:
Yards – 1st
TDs – 2nd
First downs – 1st
20+ yard completions – 1st
40+ yard completions – 2nd
Pass attempts – 1st
Completions – 2nd
December 19th, 2019 at 10:56 pm
SB I know a lot of people try to hide the truth about racism in the national media. Crab I never said you are a racist. I just know how the national media have always treated black quarterbacks. And I know some of them now are black analysts and they just go a long to get alone to keep their jobs. But look how they talk about Wentz when he is struggling. They tell you that his offensive line is hurt and how his team is bad. They say Sam Donald team is bad and they are bad. But why do black quarterbacks teams have to win regardless how bad the team is ? They never get those types of excuses even when it’s the truth. They have never talked about how bad Jamies running game is or his defense or his running backs. But you are always going to here how bad Wentz, Ryan, Donald, Carr, Stafford, Luck, Brees before the running game and Elie and other white quarterbacks how bad their team is and they don’t have to win super bowls or even play in them you know like Rivers and it’s ok for them and that’s just the truth. Go Bucs….
December 19th, 2019 at 11:13 pm
Oh and by the way Big Ben is loved by the national media and he actually was convicted for rape and sexual assault and the national media loves him. Bret Favre got in trouble sending pitchers to a female and the national media loves him as well. So now please tell me the difference between them and Jamies??? That’s just the way it is in this country. And I believe in letting these guys move on with their lives . It’s just that they loved to bring up the pass on black quarterbacks when they mess up just like they do Jamies . The rape case he had eye witnesses and they tried 3 times to convict him and they just couldn’t but every body still treats him like he is guilty. The uber driver thing you can’t prove he did anything but they just took the woman side on that . That’s the American way …..
December 20th, 2019 at 12:04 am
Defense rules,
I’m surprised ! You’re not the type who dismisses facts nor stats. Yet you seem to in this instance.
I wouldn’t dismiss your opinion ,nor Lord Corns , without trying to understand how you derived at your opinion. Both of you are generous with information, patient and measured in your replies. Lord Corn had an interesting take on things and brought up some thought provoking points.
I mention it because, it appears you are not looking at the results . DR that’s rare in your case. Very rare! How are seeing this defense wins chips in spite of contradictory evidence?
I don’t understand your jags reference because they didn’t win a superbowl and they couldn’t even compete the following season. Which btw, is a reoccurring theme with teams with great 1-2 top defensive units. If they win a superbowl , it’s one and done,.
Defense wins a championship . Championships, No!
December 20th, 2019 at 12:07 am
Oneil you must be one of the most myopic outspoken people I have encountered on this site and many others. The comparison you brought up for my initial response was that People judge Peyton over Jameis despite a near identical record was because of Race. I pointed out that Jameis shot himself in the foot SEVERAL times before he got in the NFL and After as well. Peyton did none of that that we know because of lack of social media but he was never charged with rape, vandalism, etc etc. Jeeeesh where is your Actual realism rather than being stuck behind a lifetime of racism? An NObody I know likes Big Ben. I have 3 Good friends who couldn’t have been happier when he got hurt. But hey it is your picture, you paint it.
December 20th, 2019 at 12:08 am
Sorry those good friends are Steelers fans
December 20th, 2019 at 12:18 am
unbelievable Says:
December 19th, 2019 at 9:54 pm
Look we all agree there are too many turnovers, but those other stats are pretty amazing:
Yards – 1st
TDs – 2nd
First downs – 1st
20+ yard completions – 1st
40+ yard completions – 2nd
Pass attempts – 1st
Completions – 2nd
Whassup UB! I agree with you entire perspective except for JW being First in pass attempts. That is rarely a good thing. Means we can’t run the ball.
December 20th, 2019 at 12:19 am
Also Congrats on leading the JoeBucsFan.com Pickem pool. Not sure I can catch you
December 20th, 2019 at 12:20 am
Nevermind. Lol. I just checked. You will be the Champ!
December 20th, 2019 at 1:07 am
Oniel,
The difference between winston and the 2 you mentioned is not just the color of their skin. You seem to believe it’s the only thing different and it’s all about race.
– So Winston, Favre and Roethlisberger all were accused of sexual misconduct in college.
*All 3 were the feature villian in a documentary film. An award winning documentary film no less.
*All 3 had multiple disciplinary violations and were accused of theft .
*All 3 were selected #1 overall in the draft .
*All 3 came into the league under a black cloud with lingering questions regarding their character.
Roethlisberger had been in the league and won a superbowl before he was accused.
Favre played his career with the Packers and it wasn’t until after winning MVP of the league and superbowl and signing with the Jets that pictures were sent to someone in the organization. Didn’t rape her, didn’t group her, just sent a junk text.
Only winston entered the league with theft , rape, criminal type of offenses added to behavioral , character concerns.
I’m sure that being drafted by the bucs and the obscurity that comes with it has been a factor in the media mentioning winston for the wrong reasons .
Otherwise what’s national news worthy of a QB below avg qb on a bad team that no one watches.
Meanwhile favre and Roth are QB’S on fabled franchises, historic franchises.
Winston has been sentenced to a team just as bad as the browns but without the name brand and historical lineage.
The league promotes the teams that have national appeal. The bucs don’t even appeal to 2/3rd of the state. There’s going to be more positive coverage for those teams. So there’s that to consider .
Its not possible to make the kinda of comparisons you’re attempting to. The situations are not even remotely similar and it’s ridiculous to even attempt to make the comparison, But it’s something else entirely to rationalize your own corrupt viewpoint and overt racism on demonstrably false comparisons.
The problem is, you actually made a solid point or two, which I agree with you 100% and it’s lost in the discussion because of the other things.
December 20th, 2019 at 4:45 am
World of Whacky JW:
He’s five more TD passes and one more INT away from having the first ever 35 TD-25 INT season. And he has a chance to become the third player since the 1970 merger to lead the league in pass yards, pass TDs and INTs.
December 20th, 2019 at 6:16 am
This season he has been the Ulysses S Grant of football.
December 20th, 2019 at 8:02 am
Peyton Manning placed his genitals on a female trainers face while in college.
Covered up until after he was in the NFL. I wonder why that happened?
That is an example of sexual assault by the guy selling you insurance every time you turn on your telly.
December 20th, 2019 at 8:11 am
D1…some interesting points.
Favre was a perennial Pro Bowl player. Jameis was once.. like the seventh QB after many decided not to attend. Favre 11 times and 6 times first or second string All Pro….how about Jameis?
And really…how many games has Jameis put on his shoulders and overcome huge deficit and adversity to raise to victory? Less than a handful. Favre…Rodgers…Brady… many times.
Jameis may be a true Franchise QB someday…hope so..for us. But stop with the weak comparisons. It makes outsiders think we have a weakminded fan base.
December 20th, 2019 at 8:11 am
D1…some interesting points.
Favre was a perennial Pro Bowl player. Jameis was once.. like the seventh QB after many decided not to attend. Favre 11 times and 6 times first or second string All Pro….how about Jameis?
And really…how many games has Jameis put on his shoulders and overcome huge deficit and adversity to raise to victory? Less than a handful. Favre…Rodgers…Brady… many times.
Jameis may be a true Franchise QB someday…hope so..for us. But stop with the weak comparisons. It makes outsiders think we have a weakminded fan base.
December 20th, 2019 at 8:37 am
Craig he’s only thrown 1 redzone interception this year check out NFL.com situational stats it’s right there waiting for you so you can come correct. For your info I do believe he throws very few redzone and endzone interceptions throughout his entire career. If you go back on his games quite a few of his tds this year have been outside of the redzone and all of the running backs tds have been inside the redzone reducing his shot at redzone tds. It’s funny when dudes spout stats to backup their dislike of him but come out wrong.
December 20th, 2019 at 8:40 am
What kind of QB is Winston? Unpredictable turnover machine with a big time losing record. Here’s another question….What kind of PERSON is Winston? …we all know the answer.
December 20th, 2019 at 3:06 pm
Jamis is above average for 50 minutes of the game. Below average for the other 10 probably cause he’s fixing to take a hit or has had no time to pass all the time. Put a better line in front of him and you’ll get 55 minutes of above average QB and poof playoffs every year. With the better line comes more of a running game with Jones alone. Just pay for the line and leave Winton and that Defense alone and we will be ok. GO BUCS and #3.
December 20th, 2019 at 3:08 pm
Jamis is above average for 50 minutes of the game. Below average for the other 10 probably cause he’s fixing to take a hit or has had no time to pass all the time. Put a better line in front of him and you’ll get 55 minutes of above average QB and poof playoffs every year. With the better line comes more of a running game with Jones alone. Just pay for the line and leave Winton and that Defense alone and we will be ok. GO BUCS and 3.
December 20th, 2019 at 7:25 pm
Gun Slinger
Most INT Career
Rank | Player | INT
1 | Brett Favre | 336
See the full list at Pro Football Reference
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_career.htm
Some Hall of Famers are pretty high up on the list.
Vinny T. is there too. So there’s that.
With Brett Favre he was feast of famine, yet at the end of the game he could make the throws under pressure to pull out the victory. The ability to overcome a mistake is necessary for great QBs.
The question isn’t can Jameis make all the throws to complete a comeback. Yes he can.
The question is can Jameis recover from the mistakes mentally? That is what we need to see, or at least see more of.
Jameis has improved because he is no longer looking at the pass rush. Instead he is looking downfield to his receivers.
I have to admit high-octane offense engaged in weekly shootouts is exciting but not for the faint of heart.